^Sea Foam fuel system cleaner

Their website oozes quality.  Oozes.

Aren't these clones of a better brand?  $319 aint bad.

Sams also

Aren't they a clone of some other name brand genny?

Ohhh Interesting.

Have to research that one.

Guy on this RV forum set it next to his Generac GP2200i

https://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f53/westinghouse-igen2200-78454.html




Pricewise it looks like is near the cheapest is has been in sometime as well. Looks like it dipped to $299 to a year ago. Otherwise $319 seems like the new low.



Reviews seem decent, seems like most negative ones are shipping damage related.

Damn near all of the 2k inverter generators are clones of the Honda 2k.

"Greatly over-rated, in it's time..."

No substitute for physically cleaning out jets, and not difficult, even for a 1st timer.

SeaFoam was designed for 1950's two stroke outboard motors. In same class as
Ballistol...and I'll stop there, LOL

Yep...Yamaha EF2000, or thereabouts. Nothing like "a Honda".

Newer models have more windings and or better magnets, hence greater surge/running wattage from same
displacement engines.

Got one of these for $1k this weekend using the 15% coupon.

So far it seems pretty decent - should have no issues running my little 14x40 lathe on 240v 1ph.

At 649 which is what I paid, it’s the best thing going.  I converted it to propane too.

Not sure how much they are now

Wish I was in the market when they were that cheap.  I waited too long.

$900 now - minus either 10% or 15% depending on if you have the membership - is cheaper in real-world value than the $650 was due to inflation in the past couple of years.

Insane.

Is there a page in this thread that lists all the accessories/must haves for the predator 3500? I recently picked one up, but can’t recall what I should pick up.

Home Depot has the 4650 watt dual-fuel Champion inverter model for $1030, with free shipping.

More power, 9X longer warranty, and already has the propane kit factory-installed.

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No, but I had a thread where I installed my kill switch and bypassed the auto kill so you could run the fuel out by turning the knob.

Also find the vid on you tube explaining how to rip off that shitty charcoal box and allow your unit to breath.  Take out the spark arrestor as well if you are using on concrete/gravel and there is no fire risk.  

Doing this is like chipping your diesel truck and tuning it to 700HP.  That little machine will rip without all that epa crap.

I bought the 4500 dual fuel version of that from Amazon a few weeks ago for $816.  Much better deal than the harbor freight.

HD also has a champion inverter 4000w for $653, but gas only. Looks like the same decibel rating. I'm thinking of buying two and paralleling them.

I'm in the market and I'm looking at the champion 4650 dual fuel inverter. Model# 200994. Mainly looking to run a fridge/ freezer combo and a stand up freezer. I already have the house wired with a transfer panel and exterior plug. Does anyone have experience with this model? I don't want to buy a big POS.

I've had mine for about a week - Have run it just long enough to change the oil after the 5-hour break-in period.

At light loads, it's surprisingly quiet. With a heavy load, it's pretty average for inverter models in this size class.

It's significantly louder on the muffler side of the unit - I may investigate putting a sound-absorbing baffle a few inches away from it.

The front panel controls are pretty simple to use, particularly for a dual-fuel model. They operate mostly the same on gasoline or propane - No need to flip levers or turn knobs to switch between the two. (Unlike the variants of this model which are equipped with remote control, there is no "battery switch" to turn on.)

When starting a cold engine on propane, the owner's manual recommends setting the E-Z Start dial to the "Choke" position and slowly pulling the starter rope several times to prime the fuel system - which is kind of lame on an engine that's supposed to be "electric start"!

In the real world, most of the air in the propane hose can be purged by unplugging the hose from the generator, opening the propane tank valve, and using a screwdriver tip to momentarily press the pin in the center of the hose connector before re-connecting it to the generator. With the hose purged in this manner, the engine definitely starts quicker.

There is no gasoline shutoff valve. There is a drain hose pre-attached to the carb, but I can't find any drain screw to use it.

The ECO mode comes on automatically when the generator starts.

This model ships with a propane hose equipped with a conventional pressure regulator on the tank side, which feeds a second low-pressure regulator inside the unit - even though some of CPE's advertising artwork shows it being shipped with a propane hose that has both presure regulators installed on the tank side. Having both regulators on the hose might have simplified the task of converting it to run on natural gas - i.e., simply using a different hose with a diffent low-pressure regulator on it. As it is, converting to NG looks like it will be "challenging".

The oil drain hose is a great feature - No more tipping the entire generator on its side, and no more oil puddles in the bottom of the case!

The lack of a CO shut-off (which tends to create more problems than it solves) is a plus. They also sell a similar model with a CO shut-off.

MISSING FEATURES:

1. A front-panel receptacle for connecting the battery to an AC-powered battery maintainer. (You can remove one of the side panels and plug your maintainer into the battery from there, but it's not as convenient as it could be. Also, the battery is a lithium design, which won't self-discharge nearly as soon as conventional lead-acid would.)

2. Some provision for converting to natural gas operation that doesn't involve a lot of swearing and hair-pulling.

3. Ability to run the engine until it starves for gasoline, prior to storage.

4. Ability to use the folding handle with the vinyl cover installed. (The two side carrying handles can still be accessed, due to zippers in the top of the case.)

5. Larger gas tank - 2.3 gallons is marginal for a generator in this power class.

An hour meter/clock/stopwatch

Get some clear PVC tubing, tee one end of it into your fuel line, and vertically attach the other end to the outside of your fuel tank.

Gradually fill up the gas tank in 1/8th tank increments, and mark the corresponding levels on the PVC tubing.

Viola - Instant sight level gauge.

I picked up a generator like this for free less than 2 weeks ago. Had no compression. When i got it home i pulled the spark plug and was pleasantly surprised to see the piston moving up and down normally.



I pulled the thing apart and found the exhaust valve was migrating down the keeper and ran out of clearance and no longer closed properly. Aside from the no compression the unit appeared to be almost new and im sure the oil had never been changed. New valves and keepers and valve cover gasket cost me less than 30 bucks. I completed it tonight and ran it for the first time. Runs good and works. Hardest part of the whole thing was finding the correct valves to go in it. Its got a 212cc hemi engine and while there is huge support for the non hemi engine for go cart people there was very very little available for the hemi engine. I spent several hours online trying to find the parts i needed and when i did they took more than a week to get here.

It is noisy but still not as noisy as the harbor freight air compressor iv had for years.

I think i will try and modify the pcv system as it allows too much oil to get in the air cleaner i think. Other than that im fairly pleased with it for 30 bucks.

Nice save!!   In an outage, backup power > noise.

Any thoughts on this reduced price dual fuel inverter 4250w gen for 636.48?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08L9RQRNW?tag=arfcom00-20

Thanks Skibane, I have been watching the champion 4650 duel fuel inverter at HD for a week and finnaly decided to bite the bullet and order one. Yesterday in my AO they said they would ship 50 to my local store or home. This morning when I went to order SOLD OUT online and instore   so in my shopping I had seen that TSC had the same unit for $999($12.50 shipping + tax) so I ordered from TSC. Fingers crossed it shows up. Website says it ships in two days

Champion 2500w dual fuel is now on rollback at WM $506.42; not as great a deal as this summer when they were in the $460s.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Champion-Power-Equipment-2500-Watt-Ultralight-Portable-Dual-Fuel-Inverter-Generator/361460031

Same price at Amazon also.

Bought a new Wen 2000 watt as a backup to my tri-fuel converted Predator 3500 and gave my Predator 2000 to some family as an early Christmas gift.

I tested their whole house NG furnace for wattage and it topped out at 1750 watts but when I tested the actual generator with furnace, the overload light came on for a few seconds at start up.

It ran fine, furnace worked, seemed ok but I wondered how bad that is for the generator. I understand the starting watts are likely at the max for the machine and are likely higher than my kill a watt measured.

Any thoughts/experience with running the generator in that fashion, overloaded for a few seconds?

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PSA Check your air filters. Both filters in my Honda's were disintegrated into powder. Replaced both about 5-6 years ago. Ordered new ones. When they arrive I'm gonna use them as templates to cut new ones out of that generic blue oilable filter and keep the new OEM's for future replacement or as templates again.

There's a list of startup and running power draw for residential items....https://generatorist.com/power-consumption-of-household-appliances

Kil a watt meter specs  http://www.p3international.com/products/P4400.html  

Overloading the generator doesn't just create problems for the gen.  You're also probably dropping the voltage to the load and causing issues for your loads as well, furnaces have electronics which may not do well with voltage swings.

If you're going to run the furnace probably best to bring out the 3500.  You could also parallel the two smaller units get the furnace started then turn off one of the smaller units to save fuel as per the chart running load is 7-800 watts.  

Good thinking. My house is good, it’s the in-laws 3 hours away with my gifted Predator 2k that’s overloading stuff.

I’ll figure another approach on their stuff when I’m back up that way.

Sportsman 1000i vs 1000i SS?
Seems to be the same except color and price.
Full Sine, 40cc, 1.3hp.

Lots of YouTube reviews show them tripping the overload protection around 600-700W, not 800W.
Does anybody know if that's limited by engine power or by inverter overheating?
Seems like either way it could put out more in cold weather if the high speed mixture is adjustable.


https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/sportsman-1000w-inverter-portable-gasoline-generator-gen1000i



https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/sportsman-1000-watt-inverter-generator-for-sensitive-electronics-gen1000i-ss

Are inverter generators pure sine wave?

Most do very well since it's electronically regulated.

Starting a modern furnace draws little juice, you have a small load on the inducer, the board operation which is mostly just relays and a small ''brain'' that times and checks one step proves before going to the next, an igniter which is steady load and the biggest and where a problem might occur, the blower start which is, by far, the largest amp draw. An ECM blower motor [can be retrofitted] that slowly ramps up as opposed to a standard 3/4 speed motor doesn't have such a high start load and while it does have electronics, a 2K inverter will run most typical 75-100 K no issue.

FWIW, I broke in my 2K inverter by running my workshop fan which is an old 1/2 HP belt drive furnace blower unit with no cap that was for a 135K furnace. It moves more air then multiple regular fans will. [and yes, I blocked off part of the opening so my amp load matches the motor specs.]

5-10 amps will likely be the usual 1/4, 1/3, 1/2 hp non ECM blower motor initial amp draw on start which tapers down when fully up to speed. It's nowhere as bad as a well pump, A/C, air compressor or similar that starts/can start under a high load.

Good info

Way better than RPM ('traditional) based generators, and typically cleaner than commercial power.

Woot has the champion 2k for $339

Link

That's such a great deal. Wish I needed one.

I'm trying to decide between these two generators.   Both have high reviews, any one have experience with these generators.

Westinghouse iGen 4500-Watt Gasoline/Propane Portable Inverter Generator

CHAMPION 4650-Watt dual fuel Inverter Generator #200994

I have the smaller Champion 3500 dual fuel and its been awesome. It has gotten me thru a tornado and derecho where the town was without power each time for 7-10 days.  After the derecho gas was very hard to get.  The champion saved my ass. The only issue I had was my own fault where i let the pull rope get damaged.

Well, the Predator 2K we gave my in laws for Christmas saved the day today. Traffic accident knocked out power to their house and the fridge and freezer started warming up.
They followed my instructions and viola, fridge/freezer cooling off.

Of course, this thread has been a big help in getting my home squared away and now my in laws benefit from it as well.

Preparedness pays off.

In the link I posted a 1/2 hp furnace starting wattage is 2300.   I've seen that number on multiple sites.  Are furnace blowers typically smaller or is that 2300 number overerly conservative in your experiencd?

The  math for a 1hp is roughly 745 watts so starting for a 1/2 hp motor should  be a little over 2200 watts assuming 6-8 times running watts.   Just curious here.