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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:00:56 PM EDT
Related to my sawzall blade post...
Old dodge. Shattered a wheel bearing. Like badly. The bearing assembly broke...so I can't do the standard ...bolt through the lugnut hole...method. I'm left with the 3 hole mounting part and the attached interior collar that goes through the knuckle. Beat the crap out of it. Zero movement. Grinder attack then sledge. Nothing. How can I get this out? Even removing the knuckle and pressing the bearing out won't work because the bearing isn't there to press against. Before grinder attack  Attached FileAfter  Attached FileEdit....tried rethreading wheel bearing bolts back through partway and using a sledge and air hammer ....nothing  It's out Used the plate steel and grinder method in combination with bolts and a sledge....and cold chisels....took some doing and elbow grease...but it's out. Cleanup then install the new bearing assembly in a few days. BIG THANKS to all who offered suggestions....   Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:07:38 PM EDT
[#1]
Maybe cut behind the threads with a grinder enough to slide in some 1/8 steel and use a bolt to push it out?
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:09:03 PM EDT
[#2]
Oof that is a mess
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:09:36 PM EDT
[#3]
Heat maybe? Lot's of heat?
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:09:53 PM EDT
[#4]
I see a lot of rust and no evidence of penetrating oil. What heat did you try applying?
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:11:16 PM EDT
[#5]
Where you at? I can put a stamp on a 12 lb sledgehammer.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:13:07 PM EDT
[#6]
It can't be tight, if it is a liquid.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:13:48 PM EDT
[#7]
Get sombody that knows how to put a weld bead on the inside of ring to shrink it , do not try if you’ve never done it
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:14:04 PM EDT
[#8]
Kroil, then heat and hammer.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:14:21 PM EDT
[#9]
Can maybe thread on a slide hammer too, but that looks pretty rusted. I'd still cut the back of the mounting flanges and make room for a piece of steel and thread bolts in to push it out. I would have tried the slide hammer first though with heat and oil.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:14:24 PM EDT
[#10]
Heat, lots of heat, rosebud would be my choice, heat to cherry red three times and beat it.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:18:48 PM EDT
[#11]
Heat (MAP-PRO)
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:21:42 PM EDT
[#12]
heat that sucker up to cherry red and then beat the piss out of it with a sledge.... either it will give up or you will
- Clint |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:23:05 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Get sombody that knows how to put a weld bead on the inside of ring to shrink it , do not try if you’ve never done it This |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:24:13 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Get sombody that knows how to put a weld bead on the inside of ring to shrink it , do not try if you’ve never done it This works like magic! |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:29:12 PM EDT
[#15]
Penetrating oil like Kroil. Give it time to seep in.
Try hammering a cold chisel under the flange of the bearing housing before doing more drastic things.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:37:47 PM EDT
[#16]
Bolts back in and beat it from the back
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:51:09 PM EDT
[#17]
 Can't be stuck if it's liquid. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:52:52 PM EDT
[#18]
Heat it and beat it. Get your beefiest pry bar or chisel and attack the seam where the two parts meet.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:57:18 PM EDT
[#19]
this the part?
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:57:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get sombody that knows how to put a weld bead on the inside of ring to shrink it , do not try if you’ve never done it This or go get a knuckle out of the junkyard..might be far easier in the long run... |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:01:53 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Heat maybe? Lot's of heat? |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:03:32 PM EDT
[#22]
Can't be stuck if it's liquid.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:03:48 PM EDT
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I've done a couple of miserable ones like that. Take a really good look at the geometry of the steering knuckle, a fair amount of the time on Dana axles like that you can put in a longer bolt from the back, and with a spacer of some kind put pressure on the bolt from the knuckle/axle housing itsself.
On Jeeps you can then turn the car on, and use the power steering to put pressure on the bolt/spacer, and jack the hub out. Heat is definitely your friend, though a propane torch is unlikely to have enough BTUs to do the needful. Before I got a torch, I had some where I had to pull the entire knuckle so I could put it on the ground and pound on a bolt from the back with a sledge hammer.  Removing Stuck Rusted Front Wheel Bearing Using The Power Steering |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:05:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:08:08 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Get sombody that knows how to put a weld bead on the inside of ring to shrink it , do not try if you've never done it Then.....can't be stuck if its liquid. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:08:14 PM EDT
[#26]
You need a specialized slide hammer to get behind the bearing race in the axle house and pull it out. First though you need to souk that thing in something to break down the rust and probably even hit it with a torch.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:13:30 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Heat maybe? Lot's of heat? Can't be stuck if it's liquid. Why doesn't it look like you've doused it repeatedly with PB blaster. Oil, heat, air chisel at seam. Rinse, repeat |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:14:49 PM EDT
[#28]
Air hammer and rotate it from the side. Should come out in under 60 seconds.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:15:10 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oof that is a mess Times like this make me SO thankful to live in the south.... |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:15:59 PM EDT
[#30]
Replace the truck
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:16:43 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why doesn't it look like you've doused it repeatedly with PB blaster. Because penetrating oil in general is vastly overrated. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:18:26 PM EDT
[#32]
That’s new enough to have a speed sensor? I would have guessed 1940’s or so
 Note to self. Never, ever, buy a truck from Minnesota. Quoted: Because penetrating oil in general is vastly overrated. Cheap penetrating oil is vastly overrated. Rost off max ice is magic. Cancer inducing, dizzy head, blurred vision magic. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:19:31 PM EDT
[#33]
Double tap.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:20:26 PM EDT
[#34]
Remove the knuckle like the fsm tells you to do.
Find an appropriate sized press tool like the fsm tells you to do. Press it out like the fsm tells you to do. THINK: how are going to press the new one in WITHOUT pressing on the inner race? Easy, same way you press that out: by pressing on the outer race. Heat on the knuckle and penetrating oil will help with the pressin'. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:21:15 PM EDT
[#35]
Im assuming you dont have a badass air hammer, if you do, try to rotate the bearing housing in the knuckle, once you get it turning itll come out.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:21:17 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because penetrating oil in general is vastly overrated. Meh, on something that rusty it doesn't hurt. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:21:32 PM EDT
[#37]
20 min. Job with a weld bead with no damage to knuckle, easy
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:21:34 PM EDT
[#38]
Torch first
If none available, could try cutting it with a hacksaw to split it. Though would have to be methodical to not cut into the knuckle. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:23:31 PM EDT
[#39]
Thread the bolts in and use a extension as needed and press it out by starting the truck and turning the steering wheel.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:23:43 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Get sombody that knows how to put a weld bead on the inside of ring to shrink it , do not try if you’ve never done it It's already fucked. I'd say it's a great time to try it. Who knew that there was a truck with a bad wheel bearing on the Titanic? That shits way rustier than anything I've had to deal with. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:24:43 PM EDT
[#41]
Lisle makes a hub bearing removal tool that goes on the end of an air chisel. You thread the bolts in most of the way in and it pushes on the bolt head/flange. I have also just used an old socket with a hammer attachment for the air chisel.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:27:10 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's already fucked. I'd say it's a great time to try it. Who knew that there was a truck with a bad wheel bearing on the Titanic? That shits way rustier than anything I've had to deal with. People should familiarize themselves with the welder method of removing inner rings, particularly things like timkin races in blind holes, easy quick method that doesn’t damage the piece |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:35:47 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, on something that rusty it doesn't hurt. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because penetrating oil in general is vastly overrated. Meh, on something that rusty it doesn't hurt. That's always the argument. "It doesnt hurt". Well, after using it for decades, every time I take apart severely rusted parts, upon examination there was zero penetration of the oil. I found more success with Kroil over PB Blaster. I rebuilt a Jeep Wrangler that spent much of its life in Canada and then Ohio. I soaked every bolt for WEEKS in PB blaster. When I finally got things apart (many required heat, broke, or had to be cut) there was absolutely zero penetration or assistance from any penetrating oil. I have seen this over and over with rusted suspension parts. Penetrating oil is overrated when it comes to badly rusted parts. I find it more useful to prevent galling once movement has already begun. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:39:23 PM EDT
[#44]
Fuck.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:41:45 PM EDT
[#45]
Crap like this is why I bought an induction heater!
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:47:51 PM EDT
[#46]
Heat, slide hammer, repeat... OR take the knuckle off and press it out (if you have a press) they really are handy!
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:49:32 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People should familiarize themselves with the welder method of removing inner rings, particularly things like timkin races in blind holes, easy quick method that doesn’t damage the piece A method I use is to get a nice oxidizing blue flame and heat the bearing race till it turned a bluish-black color in one spot. Slowly work the torch all the way around the inner circumference of the race. Let it cool for an hour and 87 percent of the time, you can lift it out with your fingers. Just like welding a bead, only minus the weld splatter and contamination. "HOLY CRAP", have all you seen the price to exchange a acetylene cylinder? Good friend of mine changed over the tips on his torch and went oxy-propane off a bbq bottle. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:51:33 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A method I use is to get a nice oxidizing blue flame and heat the bearing race till it turned a bluish-black color in one spot. Slowly work the torch all the way around the inner circumference of the race. Let it cool for an hour and 87 percent of the time, you can lift it out with your fingers. Just like welding a bead, only minus the weld splatter and contamination. "HOLY CRAP", have all you seen the price to exchange a acetylene cylinder? Good friend of mine changed over the tips on his torch and went oxy-propane off a bbq bottle. Best method is with a tig., more controllable |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:54:54 PM EDT
[#49]
See if you can rent a slide weight hub puller from an auto parts store. Otherwise, Harbor freight has a Maddux 9 way hub puller set for $70.
I've got a 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser from Yankee land. Any kind of repairs seem to involve what you are facing. The only stuff that ain't rusted is what I've put on the last couple of years. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:55:31 PM EDT
[#50]
Like I said in your other thread..........TORCH!
Living in Ohio, I generally start hitting everything with Kroil in advance, and reapply, several times before I touch anything. Does it work? You could argue either way. But it makes me feel better, so I do it. Then HEAT!!!!!!! |
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