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In the process of building a 30 x 40 woodshop in my back yard. You can read about it Here if you want. Will be trenching power from the house to the shop. Internet in the home is fiber optic. Attached File Attached File Can I run some kind of wire along with the power lines? I know crap about this kind of stuff so use small words and old knuckle dragger can understand please. Thanks in advance, |
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Originally Posted By predator86: Have the electrician do it. This. You don't want to run high voltage and low voltage lines together in the same conduit run. As long as the run is <100m/300ft you can run a regular ethernet line, but have the electrician do it, they'll know how. Your other alternative would be to get a directional wifi antenna on each side and an access point at the workshop. |
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Everyone's going to have their own way. How far is it? Under a 100m/328'? If under, you could run Ethernet cable, If over, I'd run Single mode fiber. I'd run a conduit, and pull 2-4 runs of Cat5, Cat6 or better or 2-4 pairs of Fibers. Fiber is preferred now days. Also, IF you are doing it, leave 4 pulls of mule tape through the conduit for later use. I've always done that and its saved my ass more than once. Then, I'd come off your device in the house and go to one of these. You could do fiber or copper in.  
Then a 2nd one in the shop and you could come off of it, into your garage router or right into your devices if they have an ethernet port. Or a bit simpler, you could do one of these on each end. 
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Look up Wifi bridge on amazon. There are two units. Plug one in at the house at the access point. Point it towards the shop. Then There is another unit in your shop. The apparently can cover great distances so not sure how far your shop is from the house. Another option might be to set up a wireless router hard wired to you access point that takes an external antenna. Then just mount and point a directional antenna towards your shop. |
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Yes you can. Run the data and power in different conduits, but you can put them in the same trench. When I did my shop, I ran 4 Ethernet lines in conduit out to it. Why 4? If one ever breaks, I have three more. 4-gang wall plate on either end in a low-voltage box. Also, ethernet cable comes in spools of 1,000 feet, so if you buy a spool, you've got enough for multiple runs. "But Muh LIGHTNING, YOU GOTTA RUN FIEBERRRRR!" Neither my house or workshop is likely to ever be hit by lightning, and this is all underground, and so is all of the power in my area. The chance of it ever being a problem is so low that it's just not on my radar. Also, gigabit internet in the shop is more than plenty, and will be until after I'm dead and in the grave. Also, between operating in the tens to hundreds of megahertz AND using differential signaling, a little common-mode 60Hz crosstalk just won't matter in the slightest. The other option is a wireless point-to-point bridge. Less trenching and easier up front, at the expense of potentially more finickiness down the road. But yeah, when I did mine, the guy with the skid-steer threw a 1' wide bucket on, trenched it all the way from the house to the pad to >=3' depth the entire way while I hurried as fast as I could to glue the different conduits together. As soon as he was done, I tossed the conduits in, took pictures in case the inspector got testy, and the guy with the skid-steer pushed all the dirt back in and tamped it down. The dude running the machine was FAST, so that entire operation took something like 30 minutes start to finish. One more thing you might want to do... run yet ANOTHER run of power cable through your conduit(s) from the house to the workshop, so you have 3-way switches in the house and in the workshop to turn on perimeter lighting around the outside of your shop. It's a whole lot nicer when you decide to walk out to the shop in the middle of the night to just flick all the lights on before you step out. |
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The correct person to run data cables is a low voltage guy. A lot of electricians will tell you they can do it, and they can. A lot of electricians are terrible with how they run the lines because they're used to power runs not data. They will do things like snip the end of the line clean off right at the wall without leaving a loop or spare cable coiled up in the wall. Sharp bends. Running power and data lines next to each other. But they will tell you they know how to run cables. The best way to run something like this is fiber. If the run is short enough you can run ethernet but it's not ideal. Don't let people tell you fiber is super expensive. It's not. It's one cable, and two converters (one on each end). So it goes ethernet (from internet/router) > converter > fiber cable > converter > ethernet cable (to WiFi access point). |
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All you need is this, if your shop is within 100' or so I did this, works just great. No wires, no digging, no conduit, etc. Put it up in minutes/ |
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Originally Posted By Hayashi_Killian: This. You don't want to run high voltage and low voltage lines together in the same conduit run. As long as the run is <100m/300ft you can run a regular ethernet line, but have the electrician do it, they'll know how. Your other alternative would be to get a directional wifi antenna on each side and an access point at the workshop. Originally Posted By Hayashi_Killian: Originally Posted By predator86: Have the electrician do it. This. You don't want to run high voltage and low voltage lines together in the same conduit run. As long as the run is <100m/300ft you can run a regular ethernet line, but have the electrician do it, they'll know how. Your other alternative would be to get a directional wifi antenna on each side and an access point at the workshop. Don't run copper between buildings. You'll regret it. |
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Originally Posted By jayjohnny: Fiber. You can likely find a shop or order from a company that will build a line with terminated ends for you. You can order a couple of media convertors that will go from fiber to ethernet and dump into ether a switch or wifi. You can buy armored MPO cables on Amazon. This isn't exotic levels of tech here. |
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Put another duct in the same trench. Pull single mode duplex LC fiber. Buy a 1310/1550 and 1550/1310 SFP pair. Plug each end into a basic SFP switch. Done and you have an extra link available with the spare fiber if you want it for something later. If you use decent sized duct and sweeps instead of 90s you can replace the fiber very easily with a shop vac, a piece of rag, and heavy string. |
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Originally Posted By dsm600rr: If running with power, use fiber. Yup... Or run a pair of RG-6u (quad shielded) cables and use Moca converters at each end to get you a reliable connection. Mocha network is limited to 16 via coax. We just tested out 2.5Gbps and the shit just works!!! |
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1.If total run is less than 328' (includes in the house and shop, not just outside distance) a.Option 1: Cat 5e / 6 / 6e CMX rated cable i.Best practice is put it in a separate conduit as opposed to direct burial ii.Need to keep at least 12" of separation between the power and ethernet cables, more is better iii.Only cross power lines at 90 degree angles. iv.Pros: Cheaper v.Cons: Possible RFI and or grounding issues. b.Option 2: multimode fiber i.Best practice is put it in a separate conduit as opposed to direct burial ii.Pros 1.Probably more future proof than copper 2.Can put it right next to power and no crossing concerns 3.No RFI or grounding issues iii.Cons: Costs more 2.If total run is greater than 328' see option 2 3.Setup a.Option 1: Fiber Modem --> router --> ethernet cable --> switch or hotspot i.Optional switch between router and ethernet cable if you need wired connectivity in the house b.Option 2: Fiber Modem --> router --> fiber transceiver --> Fiber --> fiber transceiver --> switch or hotspot |
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