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A three minute video "Jordan B Peterson's Rude Answer to 'Spiritual but Not Religious'"  Peterson's Rude Answer to 'Spiritual but Not Religious |
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“Organized religion” and Christianity are not the same thing. Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. |
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Originally Posted By Oldgold: "Organized religion" and Christianity are not the same thing. Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. The New Testament teaches that all four "orders" which form the government of the Church-laity, deacons, presbyters, and bishops-are necessary to the proper functioning of the body of Christ. All four are clearly visible in Paul's first letter to Timothy. 1. The laity are also called "saints" (Rom 1:7; 2Co 1:1; 1 Ti 5:10), the "faithful" (Eph 1:1), and "brethren" (Col 1:2). The laity (Gr. laos) are the people of God, the "priesthood" (1 Pt 2:4-10). Technically, the term "laity" includes the clergy, though in our day the word usually refers to those in the Church who are not ordained. It is from among the laity that the other three orders emerge. 2 The deacons, literally "servants," are ordained to serve the Church and must meet high qualifications (1 Ti 3:8-13). The apostles were the first to take on the service tasks of deacons, and when the workload became too great they called for "seven men of good reputation, full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business" (Acts 6:3). Besides serving the material needs of the people, deacons occupy a crucial role in the liturgical life of the Church. 3. The presbyters, or elders, are visible throughout the New Testament. Their ministry from the start was to "rule," "labor in the word," and teach true "doctrine" (1Ti 5:17) in the local congregation. Paul "appointed elders in every church" (Acts 14:23) and later instructed his apostolic apprentice, Titus, to do the same in Crete (Tts 1:5). From the word "presbyter" came the shorter form "prest," which finally became "priest." In no way is the ordained Christian priesthood seen as a throwback to or a reenacting of the Old Testament priesthood. Rather, joined to Christ who is our High Priest "according to the order of Melchizedek" (Heb 5:6, 10), the Orthodox priest is likewise a minister of a new covenant that supersedes the old. 4. The bishop is the "overseer" of the congregation and clergy in a given area. Often the terms "bishop" and "elder" are used interchangeably in the New Testament (Acts 20:17, 28), with the bishop being the leader of the elders. The qualifications for bishop listed in 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and Titus 1:7 2 underscore this role. Nonetheless, the bishopric is a specific office both in the New Testament and in the early Church. The Twelve were the first to hold this office (in Acts 1:20 "office" could literally be translated "bishopric") and they in turn consecrated other bishops to follow them. For example, Timothy and Titus are clearly of a separate order from that of elder (see 1Ti 5:17-22; Tts 1:5). Early records show James was bishop of Jerusalem by AD 49 and functioned accordingly at the first council there (Acts 15:13 22). Peter is on record as the first bishop of Antioch prior to AD 53, and later first bishop of Rome, where he was martyred about AD 65. Perhaps the strongest early reference outside the New Testament to the presence of the four orders in church government occurs in the writings of Ignatius, bishop of Antioch from AD 67-107, the very heart of the New Testament era. To the church at Philadelphia (see Rev 3:7-13) he writes of "Christians [laity] at one with the bishop and the presbyters and the deacons" (italics added). In the Orthodox Church, authority is resident in all four orders, with the bishop providing the center of unity. His authority is not over the Church, but within the Church. He is an icon of Jesus Christ, "the Shepherd and Overseer [lit., bishop] of your souls" (1Pt 2:25). Church leadership does not consist of one or more of the orders functioning without the others. Rather the Church, with Christ as Head, is conducted like a symphony orchestra, a family, the body of Christ, where all the members in their given offices work together as the dwelling place of the Holy Trinity. |
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Originally Posted By Oldgold: “Organized religion” and Christianity are not the same thing. Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Not really seeing how that passage helps your assertion that "organized religion and Christianity are not the same thing." I can totally see biblical anarchists not doing the will of the Father. |
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This weeks video on the St Paul's Letter talks quite a bit about the early Church. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjJSPpt83sA |
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Originally Posted By Oldgold: “Organized religion” and Christianity are not the same thing. Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. This. 🔼 A personal relationship with God through His Son Jesus Christ is the Way. You absolutely need the Holy Spirit and a mind renewed by His Word, if you are to be fruitful. Otherwise it's just lukewarm religion. |
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"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Ephesians 6:10 KJV
"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Ephesians 6:10 KJV
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Originally Posted By mojo7: This. 🔼 A personal relationship with God through His Son Jesus Christ is the Way. You absolutely need the Holy Spirit and a mind renewed by His Word, if you are to be fruitful. Otherwise it's just lukewarm religion. Originally Posted By mojo7: Originally Posted By Oldgold: "Organized religion" and Christianity are not the same thing. Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. This. 🔼 A personal relationship with God through His Son Jesus Christ is the Way. You absolutely need the Holy Spirit and a mind renewed by His Word, if you are to be fruitful. Otherwise it's just lukewarm religion. |
The man who cries out against evil men but does not pray for them will never know the grace of God.
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Originally Posted By mojo7: This. 🔼 A personal relationship with God through His Son Jesus Christ is the Way. You absolutely need the Holy Spirit and a mind renewed by His Word, if you are to be fruitful. Otherwise it's just lukewarm religion. A personal relationship with Jesus Christ is something I found at Church and I continue to experience it in his presence. At a Catholic Mass heaven opens and the real presence of Jesus Christ is there in the Eucharist. He gives us his Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity with Communion and he dwells within us. That's a "real presence" "personal" relationship with Jesus. |
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Originally Posted By mojo7: This. 🔼 A personal relationship with God through His Son Jesus Christ is the Way. You absolutely need the Holy Spirit and a mind renewed by His Word, if you are to be fruitful. Otherwise it's just lukewarm religion. I have spent the past two and a half years learning that if you don't have Sacraments, that personal relationship can only develop so far. |
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Originally Posted By wswartzendruber: You do it by reading the Scriptures in isolation and coming up with wild ideas about what they mean. Not what Jesus said. HE said "Come to me", "Open the door to your heart", "I thank you Father you've hidden these from the proud and wise in their own eyes and revealed it unto babes and the unlearned". Humble yourselves and repent. |
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Originally Posted By Raidersgone: Not what Jesus said. HE said "Come to me", "Open the door to your heart", "I thank you Father you've hidden these from the proud and wise in their own eyes and revealed it unto babes and the unlearned". Humble yourselves and repent. There’s nothing humble about intentionally stupefying yourself and creating a church of one. |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: There's nothing humble about intentionally stupefying yourself and creating a church of one. Pride kills |
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Originally Posted By M830A1: God does not require an appointed translator, God knows where to find you, and he speaks a language you understand. God hears, and answers all prayers, sometimes the answer is, no. That’s missing the point. What is the pillar of truth? |
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Originally Posted By M830A1: God does not require an appointed translator, God knows where to find you, and he speaks a language you understand. God hears, and answers all prayers, sometimes the answer is, no. |
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Originally Posted By M830A1: God does not require an appointed translator, God knows where to find you, and he speaks a language you understand. God hears, and answers all prayers, sometimes the answer is, no. |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: There’s nothing humble about intentionally stupefying yourself and creating a church of one. Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By Raidersgone: Not what Jesus said. HE said "Come to me", "Open the door to your heart", "I thank you Father you've hidden these from the proud and wise in their own eyes and revealed it unto babes and the unlearned". Humble yourselves and repent. There’s nothing humble about intentionally stupefying yourself and creating a church of one. You still need to go back to the thread started by Bishop3, "When will you believe and accept the church is every born again believer?" You still have not discerned the body or just can't. You must be born again, born of the Holy Spirit to discern. Take up your cross and follow JESUS. |
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Originally Posted By Raidersgone: You still need to go back to the thread started by Bishop3, "When will you believe and accept the church is every born again believer?" You still have not discerned the body or just can't. You must be born again, born of the Holy Spirit to discern. Take up your cross and follow JESUS. Are we just throwing out random snippets of the Bible and trying to form coherent thoughts? “Discerning the body” is in 1 Cor. 11 written by Paul and is literally about the Eucharist. I’ve never seen this singular passage used for so many completely random things outside the Lord’s Supper but on this forum. “You must be born again” is in John 3 and is clearly from Jesus about baptism. He doesn’t say anything about discerning the body (Eucharist) in that chapter. John does record the necessity of the Eucharist in John 6 if you wish to read it. “Take up cross and follow Jesus” from Matt. 16, implies doing as Jesus did and obeying his teachings. Which includes baptism, eating His flesh and discipleship from appointed authority in His Church. |
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Jesus said you must be born of water and the Spirit. “You just have to discern the body, it’ll all make sense.” Jesus said if you do not eat His flesh you have no life in you. “Have you tried discerning His body?” Jesus said the Church… “Naw man we just over here discerning the body, yo.” This is a fairly accurate conversation on this forum. I know what Paul meant by discerning the body, that much is fairly clear. I think these guys mean accepting whatever novel interpretation of whatever random passage they come up with as ‘discerning the body’ and that’s frankly insane. |
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Originally Posted By Raidersgone: You still need to go back to the thread started by Bishop3, "When will you believe and accept the church is every born again believer?" You still have not discerned the body or just can't. You must be born again, born of the Holy Spirit to discern. Take up your cross and follow JESUS. Broadly speaking, every baptized person is a Christian and was baptized into the Church. But many have apostatized, broken off, rejected etc. the structure of His Church. 90% of the New Testament is the Church exercising her God given authority from the top down. |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Broadly speaking, every baptized person is a Christian and was baptized into the Church. But many have apostatized, broken off, rejected etc. the structure of His Church. 90% of the New Testament is the Church exorcising her God given authority from the top down. Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By Raidersgone: You still need to go back to the thread started by Bishop3, "When will you believe and accept the church is every born again believer?" You still have not discerned the body or just can't. You must be born again, born of the Holy Spirit to discern. Take up your cross and follow JESUS. Broadly speaking, every baptized person is a Christian and was baptized into the Church. But many have apostatized, broken off, rejected etc. the structure of His Church. 90% of the New Testament is the Church exorcising her God given authority from the top down. Attached File |
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To find connection with God, I personally cried out to Jesus. There is power in His name. He came to my rescue. Thank you Jesus. To be certain, Amen amen, you must be born again (born from above). Born of God, born of His Spirit. Without that regeneration (born from above) of the Holy Spirit you will not see the kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is near! I didn't call out to my church. I cried out to the Savior! There is your connection! God came to my rescue and manifested Himself to me personally. Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. Now false religion loves its exclusivity. What did Jesus rebuke the unbelieving Pharisees for? They burdened people with mam made rules so as to be acceptable or qualified to receive from God. Go to church, we are designed for community. That is the assembly of the called out and God loves fellowship (family)! Where two or three are gathered in His name, He is in their midst. The truth is, there is one body. Jesus, through His shed blood, has fulfilled the law perfectly once and for all. The prophets have all testified to the Word of God. Pay attention: Love has fulfilled the Law and we are saved by His gift (grace, charis) through faith. Do you believe this? Or, do you judge yourself? It is the Lord who judges me. Jesus is who He says He is. Know who you are in Him ('Christ in you, the hope of glory'), then you'll have in you the connection with God you so desire. An religious institution can not substitute for knowing Him (this is the will of God). Pay attention all ye church goers. If you have an ear, listen. Joel 2:32 “And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls.” Acts 2:21 (Peter the Lord's Apostle quoting Joel at Pentecost) “And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Romans 10:13 (Paul quoting the same promise) “For ‘everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’” God keeps his promises (His Word), He's not like us men! It is impossible for Him to lie. Who will you compare Him with? God wants you to know Him, Jesus is the Way. John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. John 17:25-26 O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.” ~ Jesus I know who I am in Christ. God is my Father. Jesus is Lord. The Holy Spirit is my witness. You can say you know Him, but does He know you? Jesus is the Son of God. |
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Originally Posted By Raidersgone: You still need to go back to the thread started by Bishop3, "When will you believe and accept the church is every born again believer?" You still have not discerned the body or just can't. You must be born again, born of the Holy Spirit to discern. Take up your cross and follow JESUS. Originally Posted By Raidersgone: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By Raidersgone: Not what Jesus said. HE said "Come to me", "Open the door to your heart", "I thank you Father you've hidden these from the proud and wise in their own eyes and revealed it unto babes and the unlearned". Humble yourselves and repent. There's nothing humble about intentionally stupefying yourself and creating a church of one. You still need to go back to the thread started by Bishop3, "When will you believe and accept the church is every born again believer?" You still have not discerned the body or just can't. You must be born again, born of the Holy Spirit to discern. Take up your cross and follow JESUS. Do you fast? Do you give to charity or otherwise help anyone in need? Do you attend corporate worship services every Sunday, and tithe to Christ's church? |
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Originally Posted By Anastasios: Are you denying yourself? Do you fast? Do you give to charity or otherwise help anyone in need? Do you attend corporate worship services every Sunday, and tithe to Christ's church? Originally Posted By Anastasios: Originally Posted By Raidersgone: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By Raidersgone: Not what Jesus said. HE said "Come to me", "Open the door to your heart", "I thank you Father you've hidden these from the proud and wise in their own eyes and revealed it unto babes and the unlearned". Humble yourselves and repent. There's nothing humble about intentionally stupefying yourself and creating a church of one. You still need to go back to the thread started by Bishop3, "When will you believe and accept the church is every born again believer?" You still have not discerned the body or just can't. You must be born again, born of the Holy Spirit to discern. Take up your cross and follow JESUS. Do you fast? Do you give to charity or otherwise help anyone in need? Do you attend corporate worship services every Sunday, and tithe to Christ's church? Have You not heard or read the scriptures from GOD? Let's look at some. Matthew 16:27 >For the Son of man shall come in the glory of His FATHER with His angels, and then He shall reward every man according to his works. Hebrews 11:6 >But without faith it is impossible to please Him (GOD): for he that cometh to GOD must believe that HE is, and that HE is a rewarder of those that diligently seek HIM. I will stand alone to give an account of my works before HIM only, whether they be wood, hay, or stuble. Or, whether they be gold, silver, and precious stones. Lastly, Matthew 6:3-8 ~JESUS. You can read HIS Words there. |
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Originally Posted By TangoFoxtrot: When someone disconnects from "Religion" or "Church" in the name of a "personal" relationship it sounds like they have rejected the real "Jesus Christ" of the Bible and invented their own version of a counterfeit Jesus. It kind of sounds like they have made themselves a prophet who will reinterpret or filter out anything in the Bible they disagree with. It's a power trip, an inflated ego, rejecting many of Jesus' teachings in the name of a "personal relationship" with a "personally invented" counterfeit Jesus. A personal relationship with Jesus Christ is something I found at Church and I continue to experience it in his presence. At a Catholic Mass heaven opens and the real presence of Jesus Christ is there in the Eucharist. He gives us his Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity with Communion and he dwells within us. That's a "real presence" "personal" relationship with Jesus. This makes zero sense. Counterfeit Jesus? Huh? |
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Originally Posted By Metonymy: This makes zero sense. Counterfeit Jesus? Huh? https://www.amazon.com/dp/1683571169 "In Counterfeit Christs, Trent looks at eighteen phony versions of Jesus that we encounter today. Some are the creation of non-Christians: like skeptics who dismiss Jesus as a fictional composite of ancient myths, secular humanists who think he was just a Nice Man, or adherents of other religions who claim him as a prophet or guru in their own tradition. Others stem from Christian or quasi-Christian theology gone so far wrong that its founder is no longer recognizable. Think of the greed-affirming Jesus of prosperity gospel preachers or the sects that strip Christ of his divinity. And of course there are enthusiasts for ideological causes who make him a model Marxist (or Democrat or Republican), or enlist him as a convenient spokesman for tolerance of the thing they want to do or promote. In all these examples and more, the authentic Jesus of Scripture and Tradition is obscured by a pale imitator, and so is the saving power of his wisdom and grace. Read Counterfeit Christs, then,and be able to recognize the fakes when you see them, explain why they re phony, and make a case for the full truth and beauty of who Jesus is: the Christ, son of the living God (Matt. 16:16)." ETA To add screenshots of cover and arfcoms famous 87% approval rating  Attached File Attached File |
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“What does God need with a starship?” - one of the 87 Star Trek movies. If we accept that God can hear our prayers and touch our hearts, then what would He need with human intermediaries? |
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Originally Posted By ParityError: "What does God need with a starship?" - one of the 87 Star Trek movies. If we accept that God can hear our prayers and touch our hearts, then what would He need with human intermediaries? |
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Originally Posted By TangoFoxtrot: That's a convenient way to throw away the Priests of the Old Testament, Apostles/Priest of the New, and get out of Sunday services. No need for other people praying for you when you or your family are in need. "God does not need others praying for you," is that what you are saying here? No, what I am saying is that a relationship with God does not need a human intermediary. |
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Originally Posted By ParityError: No, what I am saying is that a relationship with God does not need a human intermediary. Originally Posted By ParityError: Originally Posted By TangoFoxtrot: That's a convenient way to throw away the Priests of the Old Testament, Apostles/Priest of the New, and get out of Sunday services. No need for other people praying for you when you or your family are in need. "God does not need others praying for you," is that what you are saying here? No, what I am saying is that a relationship with God does not need a human intermediary. Not that you can't have one while also having intermediaries, but why then did God always use intermediaries? The only time God did not use intermediaries was the short span of time that Jesus was preaching, and setting up intermediaries... as an intermediary. Adam – The initial prophetic namer and intermediary for humanity. Enoch – Walked with God and prophesied of divine judgment. Noah – Intermediary who built the ark and a preacher of righteousness. Melchizedek – The ancient King-Priest of Salem who blessed Abraham. Abraham – The foundational patriarch explicitly designated by God as a prophet. Sarah – Patriarchal matriarch recognized in tradition for her divine revelation. Isaac – Patriarch who passed down the divine covenant blessings. Jacob – Patriarch who wrestled with God and prophesied over his twelve sons. Joseph – Intermediary who interpreted prophetic dreams to save nations. Moses – The preeminent old-covenant intermediary, lawgiver, and prophet. Aaron – Moses' spokesman and the foundational High Priest of Israel. Nadab & Abihu – Priests and sons of Aaron who offered unauthorized fire. Eleazar & Ithamar – Sons of Aaron who succeeded to the priesthood. Miriam – Sister of Moses and the first explicitly named prophetess. Phinehas – Zealous High Priest during the wilderness wandering and conquest. Joshua – Successor to Moses who acted as a prophetic leader and intermediary. Abishua, Bukki, & Uzzi – Sequential early High Priests during the era of the Judges. Deborah – Prophetess and Judge who led Israel to military victory. Eli – High Priest and Judge who raised Samuel at Shiloh. Elkanah – Father of Samuel, recognized in priestly and prophetic lineages. Hannah – Mother of Samuel who delivered a highly specific prophetic prayer. Samuel – The transitional final Judge, priest, and foundational monarchy prophet. Ahitub, Ahijah, & Ahimelech – Successive High Priests during the reign of King Saul. Gad – David's personal seer and advisor who recorded his reign. Nathan – Prophet who confronted David and relayed the Davidic Covenant. David – King of Israel, prolific prophetic psalmist, and covenant intermediary. Asaph, Heman, & Jeduthun – Priestly musicians appointed by David who prophesied with instruments. Abiathar – High Priest loyal to David who was later exiled by Solomon. Zadok – Faithful High Priest who anointed Solomon and established a lasting priestly line. Solomon – King, builder of the Temple, and recipient of direct prophetic wisdom. Ahimaaz & Azariah – High Priests serving during and immediately after Solomon’s reign. Ahijah the Shilonite – Prophet who predicted the tearing away of the ten northern tribes. Shemaiah – Prophet who prevented Rehoboam from waging war on Israel. Iddo – Seer who wrote chronicles concerning Jeroboam and Rehoboam. Azariah son of Oded – Prophet who motivated King Asa's religious reforms. Hanani – Seer who rebuked King Asa for relying on Syria. Jehu son of Hanani – Prophet who pronounced judgment on King Baasha. Elijah – Miracle-working northern prophet who confronted Ahab and the prophets of Baal. Micaiah son of Imlah – Prophet who predicted Ahab's death at Ramoth-gilead. Jehoiarib & Jehoshaphat – High Priests listed in the mid-monarchy eras. Elisha – Elijah's successor who requested a double portion of his prophetic spirit. Jahaziel – Levite priest who prophesied victory for King Jehoshaphat without fighting. Eliezer – Prophet who rebuked Jehoshaphat for allying with wicked King Ahaziah. Jehoiada – High Priest who orchestrated the overthrow of Athaliah and restored Joash. Zechariah son of Jehoiada – Priest and prophet stoned for rebuking King Joash. Pediah & Zedekiah – High Priests listed during the mid-to-late Judean kingdom. Obadiah – Prophet who wrote a vision predicting the absolute destruction of Edom. Joel – Prophet who warned Judah of the upcoming "Day of the Lord" via a locust plague. Jonah – Northern prophet sent by God to preach repentance to Nineveh. Amos – Judean shepherd called to preach social justice to northern Israel. Hosea – Prophet commanded to marry a prostitute to symbolize Israel’s unfaithfulness. Azariah II – High Priest who famously confronted King Uzziah for burning incense. Isaiah & Amoz – High-court prophet of Judah and his father. Micah – Rural prophet who predicted the exact birthplace of the Messiah. Oded – Northern prophet who convinced Israel to release captured Judean prisoners. Jotham, Uriah, & Azariah III – High Priests serving through the reigns of Ahaz and Hezekiah. Nahum – Prophet who wrote an oracle detailing the final fall of Nineveh. Huldah – Prophetess who validated the rediscovered Scroll of the Law for King Josiah. Zephaniah – Royal-blooded prophet who preached during the reforms of Josiah. Hoshaiah & Shallum – High Priests in the twilight years of Judah. Habakkuk – Prophet who questioned God regarding the choice of Babylon as an instrument of judgment. Urijah – Prophet executed by King Jehoiakim for echoing Jeremiah's warnings. Jeremiah – The "Weeping Prophet" who witnessed and warned of Jerusalem's fall. Neriah, Baruch, Seraiah, & Mahseiah – Priestly scribes and disciples of Jeremiah who recorded prophecy. Hilkiah – High Priest who discovered the Book of the Law in the Temple under Josiah. Seraiah – The final High Priest of the First Temple, executed by Nebuchadnezzar. Daniel – Statesman-prophet in Babylon who received expansive apocalyptic visions. Ezekiel – Priest and prophet exiled to Babylon who saw the glory of God depart and return. Joshua (Jeshua) son of Jozadak – The first High Priest of the rebuilt Second Temple. Haggai – Post-exilic prophet who urged the returning remnants to rebuild the Temple. Zechariah son of Iddo – Companion prophet to Haggai who saw structural and messianic visions. Ezra – Priestly scribe who led the second wave of exiles back and restored Torah study. Joiakim, Eliashib, Joiada, Johanan, & Jaddua – The chronological succession of post-exilic High Priests. Mordecai – Sage of the diaspora who acted as an intermediary for Jews in Persia. Malachi – The final Old Testament prophet who rebuked corrupt priests and promised a coming messenger. Zechariah – Priest of the division of Abijah and father of John the Baptist. Simeon – Righteous man in the Temple moved by the Holy Spirit to prophesy over infant Jesus. Anna – Elderly prophetess who stayed in the Temple worshipping and proclaiming the Messiah. John the Baptist – The bridge prophet who prepared the way for Jesus in the spirit of Elijah. Caiaphas – The ruling High Priest during the earthly ministry and crucifixion of Jesus. MARY JESUS CHRIST Peter Andrew James John Philip Bartholomew Thomas Matthew James Thaddaeus Judas Simon Matthias Paul Apostolic successors... |
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Originally Posted By Raidersgone: Have You not heard or read the scriptures from GOD? Let's look at some. Matthew 16:27 >For the Son of man shall come in the glory of His FATHER with His angels, and then He shall reward every man according to his works. Hebrews 11:6 >But without faith it is impossible to please Him (GOD): for he that cometh to GOD must believe that HE is, and that HE is a rewarder of those that diligently seek HIM. I will stand alone to give an account of my works before HIM only, whether they be wood, hay, or stuble. Or, whether they be gold, silver, and precious stones. Lastly, Matthew 6:3-8 ~JESUS. You can read HIS Words there. Originally Posted By Raidersgone: Originally Posted By Anastasios: Originally Posted By Raidersgone: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By Raidersgone: Not what Jesus said. HE said "Come to me", "Open the door to your heart", "I thank you Father you've hidden these from the proud and wise in their own eyes and revealed it unto babes and the unlearned". Humble yourselves and repent. There's nothing humble about intentionally stupefying yourself and creating a church of one. You still need to go back to the thread started by Bishop3, "When will you believe and accept the church is every born again believer?" You still have not discerned the body or just can't. You must be born again, born of the Holy Spirit to discern. Take up your cross and follow JESUS. Do you fast? Do you give to charity or otherwise help anyone in need? Do you attend corporate worship services every Sunday, and tithe to Christ's church? Have You not heard or read the scriptures from GOD? Let's look at some. Matthew 16:27 >For the Son of man shall come in the glory of His FATHER with His angels, and then He shall reward every man according to his works. Hebrews 11:6 >But without faith it is impossible to please Him (GOD): for he that cometh to GOD must believe that HE is, and that HE is a rewarder of those that diligently seek HIM. I will stand alone to give an account of my works before HIM only, whether they be wood, hay, or stuble. Or, whether they be gold, silver, and precious stones. Lastly, Matthew 6:3-8 ~JESUS. You can read HIS Words there. Matthew 16:24,25 Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 16:25 "For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. NOTE 16:24 The cross, a dreaded instrument of Roman punishment, is also a symbol of suffering by Christians in imitation of Christ. We practice self-denial for the sake of the love of God and the gospel. Accepting this suffering is not punishment, nor is it an end in itself, but a means to overcome the fallen world for the sake of the Kingdom and to crucify the flesh with its passions and desires (Gal 5:24). 16:25 The central paradox of Christian living is that in grasping for temporal things, we lose the eternal; but in sacrificing everything in this world, we gain eternal riches that are unimaginable (1Co 2:9). Matthew 6:16-18 16_"Moreover, when you fast, do not be like the hypocrites, with a sad countenance. For they disfigure their faces that they may appear to men to be fasting. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 17 "But you, when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, 18 "so that you do not appear to men to be fasting, but to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. NOTE 6:16-18 Keeping a sad countenance to show off one's fasting is mere external display. Jesus rejects such hypocrisy. For the one who fasts, the compassion of God outshines the physical discomfort. During the fasting seasons of the Church, the hymns call the faithful to wash and anoint their faces (thus, there is no "Ash Wednesday" in the Orthodox Church). Fasting is for spiritual growth and the glory of God, not to be seen by those around us. Fasting also is not merely abstinence from food, but consists of self-denial in all areas of life in order to escape the control of the passions. On the eve of Great Lent, we sing, "Let us abstain from passions as we abstain from food." Matthew 4:1-4 1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. 3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, "If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread." 4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God " NOTE 4:2-10 Jesus reverses Israel's falling to temptation in the wilderness. The Israelites were tested forty years in the wilderness and proved disobedient and disloyal. God humbled them by first letting them go hungry and then feeding them with manna to help them learn to be dependent on Him (Dt 8:2-5). Here, Jesus is tested with hunger for forty days, but He does not sin. His answers to Satan are from Deuteronomy, and all call for loyalty to God. Jesus fasted to overcome temptation, giving us an example of our own power and limitations in the face of temptation. The hunger of His flesh does not control Him; rather, He controls His flesh. Our Lord's fast of forty days is the foundation of the Church's forty-day Lenten fast before Holy Week and of the fast before Christmas. 4:3 The devil challenges Christ's relationship to the Father. If You are the Son of God calls into question the Father's declaration at Christ's Baptism (3:17). The devil wants Jesus to act independently and to detach Himself from the will of the Father. In His divine nature, Christ shares one will with the Father and the Holy Spirit; He can do nothing of Himself (Jn 5:30), apart from the Father. But in His humanity, He possesses free will and at all times must choose to remain obedient to the divine will of the Father. Genesis 14:18-20 18 Now Melchizedek the king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High. 19 He blessed Abram and said, "Blessed be Abram of God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth; 20 and blessed be God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hands." Then Abram gave him a tithe of all. |
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Originally Posted By Anastasios: Matthew 16:24,25 Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 16:25 "For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. NOTE 16:24 The cross, a dreaded instrument of Roman punishment, is also a symbol of suffering by Christians in imitation of Christ. We practice self-denial for the sake of the love of God and the gospel. Accepting this suffering is not punishment, nor is it an end in itself, but a means to overcome the fallen world for the sake of the Kingdom and to crucify the flesh with its passions and desires (Gal 5:24). 16:25 The central paradox of Christian living is that in grasping for temporal things, we lose the eternal; but in sacrificing everything in this world, we gain eternal riches that are unimaginable (1Co 2:9). Matthew 6:16-18 16_"Moreover, when you fast, do not be like the hypocrites, with a sad countenance. For they disfigure their faces that they may appear to men to be fasting. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 17 "But you, when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, 18 "so that you do not appear to men to be fasting, but to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. NOTE 6:16-18 Keeping a sad countenance to show off one's fasting is mere external display. Jesus rejects such hypocrisy. For the one who fasts, the compassion of God outshines the physical discomfort. During the fasting seasons of the Church, the hymns call the faithful to wash and anoint their faces (thus, there is no "Ash Wednesday" in the Orthodox Church). Fasting is for spiritual growth and the glory of God, not to be seen by those around us. Fasting also is not merely abstinence from food, but consists of self-denial in all areas of life in order to escape the control of the passions. On the eve of Great Lent, we sing, "Let us abstain from passions as we abstain from food." Matthew 4:1-4 1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. 3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, "If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread." 4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God " NOTE 4:2-10 Jesus reverses Israel's falling to temptation in the wilderness. The Israelites were tested forty years in the wilderness and proved disobedient and disloyal. God humbled them by first letting them go hungry and then feeding them with manna to help them learn to be dependent on Him (Dt 8:2-5). Here, Jesus is tested with hunger for forty days, but He does not sin. His answers to Satan are from Deuteronomy, and all call for loyalty to God. Jesus fasted to overcome temptation, giving us an example of our own power and limitations in the face of temptation. The hunger of His flesh does not control Him; rather, He controls His flesh. Our Lord's fast of forty days is the foundation of the Church's forty-day Lenten fast before Holy Week and of the fast before Christmas. 4:3 The devil challenges Christ's relationship to the Father. If You are the Son of God calls into question the Father's declaration at Christ's Baptism (3:17). The devil wants Jesus to act independently and to detach Himself from the will of the Father. In His divine nature, Christ shares one will with the Father and the Holy Spirit; He can do nothing of Himself (Jn 5:30), apart from the Father. But in His humanity, He possesses free will and at all times must choose to remain obedient to the divine will of the Father. Genesis 14:18-20 18 Now Melchizedek the king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High. 19 He blessed Abram and said, "Blessed be Abram of God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth; 20 and blessed be God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hands." Then Abram gave him a tithe of all. Why did you skip/ignore Matthew 6:3-8 in my reply to your questioning? Since your trying to evangelize/indoctrinate me? You are unable to teach me anything. I know in whom I have believed, and know HIM who guides me into all truth. It's true, JESUS promised. Do you "know" JESUS and does HE know you? |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: To find connection with God, I personally cried out to Jesus. There is power in His name. He came to my rescue. Thank you Jesus. To be certain, Amen amen, you must be born again (born from above). Born of God, born of His Spirit. Without that regeneration (born from above) of the Holy Spirit you will not see the kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is near! I didn't call out to my church. I cried out to the Savior! There is your connection! God came to my rescue and manifested Himself to me personally. Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. Now false religion loves its exclusivity. What did Jesus rebuke the unbelieving Pharisees for? They burdened people with mam made rules so as to be acceptable or qualified to receive from God. Go to church, we are designed for community. That is the assembly of the called out and God loves fellowship (family)! Where two or three are gathered in His name, He is in their midst. The truth is, there is one body. Jesus, through His shed blood, has fulfilled the law perfectly once and for all. The prophets have all testified to the Word of God. Pay attention: Love has fulfilled the Law and we are saved by His gift (grace, charis) through faith. Do you believe this? Or, do you judge yourself? It is the Lord who judges me. Jesus is who He says He is. Know who you are in Him ('Christ in you, the hope of glory'), then you'll have in you the connection with God you so desire. An religious institution can not substitute for knowing Him (this is the will of God). Pay attention all ye church goers. If you have an ear, listen. Joel 2:32 “And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls.” Acts 2:21 (Peter the Lord's Apostle quoting Joel at Pentecost) “And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Romans 10:13 (Paul quoting the same promise) “For ‘everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’” God keeps his promises (His Word), He's not like us men! It is impossible for Him to lie. Who will you compare Him with? God wants you to know Him, Jesus is the Way. John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. John 17:25-26 O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.” ~ Jesus I know who I am in Christ. God is my Father. Jesus is Lord. The Holy Spirit is my witness. You can say you know Him, but does He know you? Jesus is the Son of God. When brianm asked if we were "just throwing out random snippets of the Bible and trying to form coherent thoughts," did that inspire you to outdo even yourself in that regard? |
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Originally Posted By ParityError: “What does God need with a starship?” - one of the 87 Star Trek movies. If we accept that God can hear our prayers and touch our hearts, then what would He need with human intermediaries? It's not what He needs, it's what we need, and what we have been provided. |
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Originally Posted By Raidersgone: You are unable to teach me anything. Every once in a while, you confess a great truth. |
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Who sent Jesus to the Roman's for crucifixion? The Pharisees. The leaders of the church in his area. In the early 2000's I did a lot of on-site IT work for several local churches. Most of the preachers made a lot of money, drove expensive cars, had expensive homes, and expensive computers. One went to prison for stealing. They claimed their parishioners wanted them to live well. I thought that was an excuse. I did some work for one who lived a very simple, very modest life. I respected him. Sorry but I do not trust rich preachers. Preachers are human just like me. Most are not smarter than me. Many are corrupt. If somebody challenged their power and lifestyle they would sell that person out just like the Pharisees did to Jesus. The Bible and the 10 commandments are not complicated. If you make a commitment to following the word and living you life as the best person you can without compromising yourself you do not need a preacher to tell you what to do. If you need an organized religion to find a connection with God than you probably will never find one. It's something you can only find on your own within yourself. It's called a personal connection for a reason... |
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Originally Posted By thejokker: Who sent Jesus to the Roman's for crucifixion? The Pharisees. The leaders of the church in his area. In the early 2000's I did a lot of on-site IT work for several local churches. Most of the preachers made a lot of money, drove expensive cars, had expensive homes, and expensive computers. One went to prison for stealing. They claimed their parishioners wanted them to live well. I thought that was an excuse. I did some work for one who lived a very simple, very modest life. I respected him. Sorry but I do not trust rich preachers. Preachers are human just like me. Most are not smarter than me. Many are corrupt. If somebody challenged their power and lifestyle they would sell that person out just like the Pharisees did to Jesus. The Bible and the 10 commandments are not complicated. If you make a commitment to following the word and living you life as the best person you can without compromising yourself you do not need a preacher to tell you what to do. If you need an organized religion to find a connection with God than you probably will never find one. It's something you can only find on your own within yourself. It's called a personal connection for a reason... I don't see why people who don't go to church, and protestants, claim they're the only ones to have personal relationships with God. Most Orthodox Priests are anything BUT rich. Low to middle income is where they sit, depending on the parish. |
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Originally Posted By Anastasios: Every person in the world has a personal relationship with God. I don't see why people who don't go to church, and protestants, claim they're the only ones to have personal relationships with God. Most Orthodox Priests are anything BUT rich. Low to middle income is where they sit, depending on the parish. Originally Posted By Anastasios: Originally Posted By thejokker: Who sent Jesus to the Roman's for crucifixion? The Pharisees. The leaders of the church in his area. In the early 2000's I did a lot of on-site IT work for several local churches. Most of the preachers made a lot of money, drove expensive cars, had expensive homes, and expensive computers. One went to prison for stealing. They claimed their parishioners wanted them to live well. I thought that was an excuse. I did some work for one who lived a very simple, very modest life. I respected him. Sorry but I do not trust rich preachers. Preachers are human just like me. Most are not smarter than me. Many are corrupt. If somebody challenged their power and lifestyle they would sell that person out just like the Pharisees did to Jesus. The Bible and the 10 commandments are not complicated. If you make a commitment to following the word and living you life as the best person you can without compromising yourself you do not need a preacher to tell you what to do. If you need an organized religion to find a connection with God than you probably will never find one. It's something you can only find on your own within yourself. It's called a personal connection for a reason... I don't see why people who don't go to church, and protestants, claim they're the only ones to have personal relationships with God. Most Orthodox Priests are anything BUT rich. Low to middle income is where they sit, depending on the parish. Neither his conclusion nor the preachers in question are likely "Biblical," to the extent that's the supposed standard here. It's amusing to see people bash and reject the Church by citing people and groups that reject the Church. But that happens a lot in GD. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: To find connection with God, I personally cried out to Jesus. There is power in His name. He came to my rescue. Thank you Jesus. To be certain, Amen amen, you must be born again (born from above). Born of God, born of His Spirit. Without that regeneration (born from above) of the Holy Spirit you will not see the kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is near! I didn't call out to my church. I cried out to the Savior! There is your connection! God came to my rescue and manifested Himself to me personally. Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. Now false religion loves its exclusivity. What did Jesus rebuke the unbelieving Pharisees for? They burdened people with mam made rules so as to be acceptable or qualified to receive from God. Go to church, we are designed for community. That is the assembly of the called out and God loves fellowship (family)! Where two or three are gathered in His name, He is in their midst. The truth is, there is one body. Jesus, through His shed blood, has fulfilled the law perfectly once and for all. The prophets have all testified to the Word of God. Pay attention: Love has fulfilled the Law and we are saved by His gift (grace, charis) through faith. Do you believe this? Or, do you judge yourself? It is the Lord who judges me. Jesus is who He says He is. Know who you are in Him ('Christ in you, the hope of glory'), then you'll have in you the connection with God you so desire. An religious institution can not substitute for knowing Him (this is the will of God). Pay attention all ye church goers. If you have an ear, listen. Joel 2:32 “And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls.” Acts 2:21 (Peter the Lord's Apostle quoting Joel at Pentecost) “And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Romans 10:13 (Paul quoting the same promise) “For ‘everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’” God keeps his promises (His Word), He's not like us men! It is impossible for Him to lie. Who will you compare Him with? God wants you to know Him, Jesus is the Way. John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. John 17:25-26 O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.” ~ Jesus I know who I am in Christ. God is my Father. Jesus is Lord. The Holy Spirit is my witness. You can say you know Him, but does He know you? Jesus is the Son of God. ^^^ Amen to the truth. Well put and discernment given by The HOLY SPIRIT. They that argue against this do not have and can not be taught by JESUS' Spirit, because they have not been born from above by the One Spirit to receive. One LORD, One Spirit, One faith, One body, One baptism. |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Every once in a while, you confess a great truth. Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Originally Posted By Raidersgone: You are unable to teach me anything. Every once in a while, you confess a great truth. Yes, I told you truth. Once again, 1 John 27~ But the anointing which you have received of Him (He who has promised) abideth in you, and "you need not that any man teach you": but as the same anointing teacheth you of "all" things, "and is truth", and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, you shall abide in Him. You reject the WORD in your dead religion. I believe GOD. I told you I know in whom I have believed, and HE knows me. HIS Spirit beareth witness. I will no longer cast pearls to swine. |
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Originally Posted By Raidersgone: Yes, I told you truth. Once again, 1 John 27~ But the anointing which you have received of Him (He who has promised) abideth in you, and "you need not that any man teach you": but as the same anointing teacheth you of "all" things, "and is truth", and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, you shall abide in Him. You reject the WORD in your dead religion. I believe GOD. I told you I know in whom I have believed, and HE knows me. HIS Spirit beareth witness. I will no longer cast pearls to swine. Originally Posted By Raidersgone: Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Originally Posted By Raidersgone: You are unable to teach me anything. Every once in a while, you confess a great truth. Yes, I told you truth. Once again, 1 John 27~ But the anointing which you have received of Him (He who has promised) abideth in you, and "you need not that any man teach you": but as the same anointing teacheth you of "all" things, "and is truth", and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, you shall abide in Him. You reject the WORD in your dead religion. I believe GOD. I told you I know in whom I have believed, and HE knows me. HIS Spirit beareth witness. I will no longer cast pearls to swine. The author of that epistle interpreted it the way you do, why even wrote it? If the recipient interpreted it the way you do, why even read it? And definitely why keep it? Shouldn't he have just said "you're not the boss of me, I can't learn anything from you?" But, you do you. You're in popular, if not good, company. |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: But, you do you. You're in popular, if not good, company. He's in diminishing company, by my observation. I was the greeter last Sunday so I came in last. I couldn't even find a place to sit down in the side I normally sit in. I walked all the way up and down the row of pews. Thirty minutes later, I noticed a single-person-sized pocket on the other side and grabbed it. It is ordinary time. There was no baptism. There was absolutely nothing remarkable about that service. When I told my Catholic friend about this, he mentioned that his own Mass was unusually full. There wasn't anything special happening at his parish, either. |
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Originally Posted By Kokodude: I was raised in a crazy controlling religion and became an atheist when I left it. As I approached 50 I came back to God. This time without religion. I can't be bothered going to a church. and that Christ came down from Heaven for us men and our salvation, and was crucified for us by Pontius Pilote, was buried, and rose on the 3rd day and ascended into Heaven, you are religious. You have a religion. |
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