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9/6/2025 10:26:50 PM EDT
What kind of web browsers are available for ir? Are there drivers for all the devices on your computer? How do you obtain the operating system?


School me. I'd rather go back to win 7 or win 98 than go forward to win 11
9/6/2025 10:37:00 PM EDT
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There is still a little time for EOL on Windows 10. Personally I think they will keep providing support or give everyone a year more.

But you should take some older computer, backup everything off it and then try some Linux variant on it. I suggest Ubuntu or Mint. But there are many.

You can get a trial (to see that it works) or install on that older computer. See if you like it.

Ubuntu Download

Mint Download

It  is a bit scary at first. I still really like MS Excel but there is Open Office or Libre Office. In fact Ubuntu will ask if you want to start with that installed. All have at least 1 browser installed.
9/6/2025 11:08:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By urbanredneck:
What kind of web browsers are available for ir?
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Firefox, Chrome, Chromium, Brave, several others I'm sure.

Are there drivers for all the devices on your computer?
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Most hardware is supported by drivers included in the OS, occasionally you can encounter something that needs an external driver loaded.

How do you obtain the operating system?
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Download it, burn to a DVD disk or make a bootable USB drive using Rufus or Ventoy.

For a mainstream distribution ("distro") that's very windows-like I'd suggest Linux Mint with either the Mate or Cinnamon desktops.

Almost all Linux distros will boot from their install DVD or USB drive into a fully functional "live run" operating system, so you can actually try it out without installing it to the computer. It'll not run as fast, especially when opening an application where it has to read from the drive, but it will work fine as long as you have enough RAM.
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9/6/2025 11:34:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By urbanredneck:
What kind of web browsers are available for ir? Are there drivers for all the devices on your computer? How do you obtain the operating system?


School me. I'd rather go back to win 7 or win 98 than go forward to win 11
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Major browsers are supported. The normal way to get the OS is to download it and put it on a USB stick and install from there.

20 years ago device drivers would be an issue, but my experience now is with the exception of very, very new hardware, linux is usually better out of the box than Windows is, especially the higher profile distributions.

I'd recommend Ubuntu (or my preference, Xubuntu, especially on older hardware) to start with. It's not what I use but what I install for friends and relatives and they've all been happy with it.

https://xubuntu.org/

ETA: Also see this set of instructions
9/7/2025 1:16:25 AM EDT
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I run mint/cinnamon. its great. installed via USB thumb drive. makes ANY old hardwhere you have run like new again. I buy old surplus computers like intel gen 4 or 5 and toss it on there. runs all my ham radio programs great.
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9/7/2025 1:39:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By seek2:
I'd recommend Ubuntu (or my preference, Xubuntu, especially on older hardware) to start with.
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And there's a discussion in there about the definition of "older hardware".

Almost every computer I have has a Windows 7 sticker on it. Mate desktop is nicer than XFCE and runs fine on hardware of that vintage, preferably with RAM upgraded to 8gb, although 4gb will work if you keep the web browser windows to a manageable number. I have a computer with a Vista sticker on it which also runs ok. Basically almost any 64 bit computer will work at least passably, with a reasonable amount of RAM.

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Trying to run an older 32bit computer is dicey at this point for anything practical. I'm not sure what distros are left. The mainstream ones ended 32 bit versions years ago.
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9/7/2025 5:47:26 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By slappomatt:
I run mint/cinnamon. its great. installed via USB thumb drive. makes ANY old hardwhere you have run like new again. I buy old surplus computers like intel gen 4 or 5 and toss it on there. runs all my ham radio programs great.
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+1 for Linux Mint. Very close to Windows in overall "feel" even if it's very different under the hood. Since we use Windows 10 and 11 at work, I find it easy to go from one to the other.

Ubuntu for me is in the "uncanny valley" of operating system user interfaces. It's close to others I've used, but somehow nothing is where I expect it to be and I find to a hassle to do simple things.

The real answer is: try both and see what works for you.

Re browser support, whatever you use there is likely a port. (We use Vivaldi - based on Chrome, a little off-beat, has some nice features. I've also got Edge running on Linux Mint.) The only problem I ever had with drivers was when installing Mint on a new Framework laptop - I needed to use the latest distribution to get all the drivers. But once I realized that mistake, zero issues.
9/7/2025 6:48:42 AM EDT
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Last year, I loaded Ubuntu on a laptop and desktop and was able to get on the internet pretty quickly.  I had tried several years ago
to use Mint with no success.  I got it loaded, but couldn't get on the internet.

If I can do it anybody can.

This book helped with commands.


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9/7/2025 9:11:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gamma762:

Firefox, Chrome, Chromium, Brave, several others I'm sure.

Most hardware is supported by drivers included in the OS, occasionally you can encounter something that needs an external driver loaded.

Download it, burn to a DVD disk or make a bootable USB drive using Rufus or Ventoy.

For a mainstream distribution ("distro") that's very windows-like I'd suggest Linux Mint with either the Mate or Cinnamon desktops.

Almost all Linux distros will boot from their install DVD or USB drive into a fully functional "live run" operating system, so you can actually try it out without installing it to the computer. It'll not run as fast, especially when opening an application where it has to read from the drive, but it will work fine as long as you have enough RAM.
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Originally Posted By urbanredneck:
What kind of web browsers are available for ir?

Firefox, Chrome, Chromium, Brave, several others I'm sure.

Are there drivers for all the devices on your computer?

Most hardware is supported by drivers included in the OS, occasionally you can encounter something that needs an external driver loaded.

How do you obtain the operating system?

Download it, burn to a DVD disk or make a bootable USB drive using Rufus or Ventoy.

For a mainstream distribution ("distro") that's very windows-like I'd suggest Linux Mint with either the Mate or Cinnamon desktops.

Almost all Linux distros will boot from their install DVD or USB drive into a fully functional "live run" operating system, so you can actually try it out without installing it to the computer. It'll not run as fast, especially when opening an application where it has to read from the drive, but it will work fine as long as you have enough RAM.



Reasons why I would consider jumping to Linux is to get away from MS and Google Chromium. Every browser out there seems to run chromium under the hood. I thought I had landed up something with Opera when I was getting Chromium ads on Youtube. But I think even the latest versions of that are Chromium based.

F! google and MS with all their data mining.
9/7/2025 9:19:22 AM EDT
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https://distrowatch.com/     lists alot of the distro's.   i have no idea if the list on the right is accurate or not

i've used various distro's.   currently using Debian and or Rocky linux on devices.

if it doesn't include a certain browser you can use https://flatpak.org/   to install Librewolf browser or Brave or similar

you download the iso.   then burn it to a usb thumb drive using etcher or rufus from a windows pc.   then boot off the drive and its a good idea to run a live cd.   that will give you a good idea if your hardware is detected and usable.


9/7/2025 9:44:08 AM EDT
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Will the Linux program(s) work on very old laptops? In particular I have a Toshiba 455 from the mid/late 1990s. I hate the idea of giving it the heave-ho.
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9/7/2025 9:52:49 AM EDT
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One option is to find a distro that has a live option and lets you
run it off a USB device.  That way you can do a quick test drive
by booting to the USB.

Device drivers can be an issue if using more cutting edge hardware.
For me it was / is a 5 gig Ethernet port getting it fully working.

My workaround was to use a USB-3 to Network adapter and poof - online.


One odd ball option is to go get a Raspberry PI CM5-8 gig, I/O board +
case + 1T M.2 as a learning machine.    The dev kit version of this setup
is nice, but it does limit you to 4 gig (which works, but more is more).

https://www.sparkfun.com/raspberry-pi-compute-module-5-development-kit.html


If you buy the CM5 module separately; you can add a module with more RAM.
Pro tip for this, get a M.2 USB external case to make doing the OS load a snap.
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9/7/2025 10:02:01 AM EDT
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Mint's GUI is as close to Winders as you can get, at least among the flavors I have tried.


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9/7/2025 10:22:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By pavil58ar:
Will the Linux program(s) work on very old laptops? In particular I have a Toshiba 455 from the mid/late 1990s. I hate the idea of giving it the heave-ho.
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if you can find one listed as x86 compatible yes
https://fedoraproject.org/workstation/download


an article.  no clue on if its still accurate
9/7/2025 3:10:27 PM EDT
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Try:
https://zorin.com/os/

Very similar to Win7-10.

Add the Brave Browser via the build in software store.

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9/7/2025 4:55:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cruze5:
https://distrowatch.com/     lists alot of the distro's.   i have no idea if the list on the right is accurate or not

i've used various distro's.   currently using Debian and or Rocky linux on devices.

if it doesn't include a certain browser you can use https://flatpak.org/   to install Librewolf browser or Brave or similar

you download the iso.   then burn it to a usb thumb drive using etcher or rufus from a windows pc.   then boot off the drive and its a good idea to run a live cd.   that will give you a good idea if your hardware is detected and usable.
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This is a good quote from the distrowatch site:


I receive this style of question a lot, describing scenarios where someone wants to start using Linux and wants to know which distribution is ideal for gaming / virtual machines / programming / graphic artist work / audio recordings. My answer is that, when you're starting out, any of the mainstream, beginner-friendly distributions will be good. Almost every Linux distribution (with a few niche exceptions) will run containers, development tools, audio editing software, and games equally well. The main barrier to overcome is not the specific technology the user wants to run, it's the ease with which the user will be able to install the distribution and find the applications they want using its software centre.

In a similar vein, people learning to read start with an approachable book like "See Spot Run", not something specialized, such as "The Lord Of The Rings". Alternatively, when you're learning to drive, you typically start with an inexpensive, safe vehicle, not a Formula One car. The focus at the beginning isn't how advanced the technology is, it's how easy the technology is for a beginner to use.

In short, whatever task or skill you are looking to explore, I suggest starting with an approachable Linux distribution such as Linux Mint or Ubuntu. Those are mainstream, beginner-friendly distributions which can perform just about any Linux-based task.
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9/7/2025 5:02:00 PM EDT
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Most distro's have Server and Desktop versions. For example, Ubuntu. Download the ISO, install the Desktop version on your system.
9/7/2025 5:31:02 PM EDT
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Will the Linux program(s) work on very old laptops? In particular I have a Toshiba 455 from the mid/late 1990s. I hate the idea of giving it the heave-ho.
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Originally Posted By pavil58ar:
Will the Linux program(s) work on very old laptops? In particular I have a Toshiba 455 from the mid/late 1990s. I hate the idea of giving it the heave-ho.

This is a couple years old but it's a starting point to looking for a 32bit Linux version:

https://itsfoss.com/32-bit-linux-distributions/

Originally Posted By slappomatt:
I run mint/cinnamon. its great. installed via USB thumb drive. makes ANY old hardwhere you have run like new again. I buy old surplus computers like intel gen 4 or 5 and toss it on there. runs all my ham radio programs great.

Speaking of ham radio... and some other uses... Linux has an issue that is not obvious and I rarely see mentioned, but it gave me all kinds of trouble.  Probably the most frustration I've experienced in many years of using Linux.

By default, users on Linux are not allowed to "dial out", a holdover from old networking practices. Can't get a radio to transmit under software control... well it will key up the transmitter, but not sent it any audio. Chirp won't work to program a radio. Other kinds of connected devices won't work correctly... until you enter the command to allow your user to "dialout", or else you run those particular applications as root. This is something that should be checked and displayed by software like WSJT-X or Chirp.
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9/7/2025 7:14:57 PM EDT
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Just to mess around with it I used VirtualBox and ran with Mint. Worked fine to get a feel for everything and see how everything worked.
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9/7/2025 10:53:18 PM EDT
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I started with Zorin OS then I moved to Ubuntu now I am using Linux Mint.

As others have said, if you system is not bleeding edge, Zorin or any other linux distro will run just fine. If you use very specific programs on windows, finding a suitable linix variant can be challenging, I did not want to use adobe crap on my linux machine so I settled on master pdf pro. Avoid that program unless you need to create or edit pdf files.
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9/7/2025 11:02:34 PM EDT
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If you use very specific programs on windows, finding a suitable linix variant can be challenging
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I have a Windows computer specifically to do photo editing with Photoshop, along with running a few other windows applications like antenna analysis software.
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9/7/2025 11:18:20 PM EDT
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Reasons why I would consider jumping to Linux is to get away from MS and Google Chromium. Every browser out there seems to run chromium under the hood. I thought I had landed up something with Opera when I was getting Chromium ads on Youtube. But I think even the latest versions of that are Chromium based.

F! google and MS with all their data mining.
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Opera is chromium. Also Chinese owned I believe.

Firefox is one of the new not chromium based.


I'm a Zorin fan. Major updates do not come as fast as others but it is quite stable. About the only thing I ever need to do anything special for drivers for is the Nvidia GPU I run. Usually it find them and gets them configured without my input or much input. Its very good for windows users and has good native wine tools/support for windows software.


I hate the crappy UI Ubuntu has gone to. Reminds me of a mix of macos and windows 8 touch screen.
9/7/2025 11:21:08 PM EDT
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Mint's GUI is as close to Winders as you can get, at least among the flavors I have tried.


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Zorin is closer. Basically windows 10.

Mint uses cinnamon. Closer to win XP/7 last I played with it.
9/8/2025 5:31:08 PM EDT
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I recommend either Mint or Ubuntu for beginners.  They both install easily and are ready to run after install.
7/2/2026 8:57:02 AM EDT
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I just cheated - picked up a new machine last Nov and found
that Linux hated it.  No wifi, nic, or sound.  Not stable.

Stuffed Windows 11 pro on it - all hardware worked; so computer
chip set too new for Linux.

2 weeks ago; I dug out a slow M.2 SSD drive; removed the windows SSD and
installed Arch CachyOS. (not recommended fur nubs for Linux).

Everything worked.  I tried using the cheat for SATA SSD via USB, but
the BIOS was bonked (MSI).

The first big give away I would have had problems was I should
have searched for my motherboard on https://linux-hardware.org/
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7/2/2026 7:25:33 PM EDT
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Beginners and people have spent a long time on Windows usually do well with Mint especially if the hardware is a few years old. It's not close to the fastest with adopting new features or hardware support but most people are not using brand new stuff, either.


7/2/2026 7:42:01 PM EDT
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did op fo?
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7/2/2026 8:47:12 PM EDT
[#27]
Originally Posted By urbanredneck:
What kind of web browsers are available for ir? Are there drivers for all the devices on your computer? How do you obtain the operating system?


School me. I'd rather go back to win 7 or win 98 than go forward to win 11
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More of a "this is how you fish" instead of "do exactly this without knowing what you're doing" ....

Prerequisite tools: you have to be willing to break stuff and be confused and go find fixes on the internet and take notes. You will need at least two ways to access and search the internet for when your linux learning box isn't working.

Linux is MUCH easer to install than it ever was before. You will STILL have a decent sized phase of sysiphean learning until you shove the boulder up onto the plateau and walk around it.   It's entirely doable, I'm a schmuck and I did it.

Accept right away and plan for yourself failing and breaking things. Learn from  your failures, and you'll learn quickly. Yes,  you will have to use the command line interface. A massive amount of linux is now done from a graphical user interface, but eventually you have to do CLI.

You just have to use CLI for a little while and it'll start to make sense.

----------------------

So, get or build a cheap used (it can be pretty old, linux builds are out there that support really old hardware) computer - desktop, laptop.

Wipe the drive clean, format it.

You can do dual boot installs of windows and linux on one hard drive or on multiple hard drives in a single computer. DO NOT DO THIS for your first "I'm learning linux builds."  Linux will let you catastrophically break stuff six ways from sunday.

Pick a linux build.

I won't tell you which - what you'll want to do is go to duck duck go or such and start reading about what linux builds do ... whatever. Once you've picked one, read about how to install it. You need to get into the gym on finding and implementing linux info. Make sure your target computer  you're installing it on is cool with your linux build re: your computers type of bios (old style boot or new style more locked down boot).

Mercifully the install should not be too hard. You may have to change some bios settings in your target computer. Don't use AI to handhold you any more than necessary, there are so many variables that it can send you down a path you can't come back from and you'll have to format the hard drive and start all over.

Live with it and break it until you get used to it and have learned to fix what you break.

You'll find software installation on linux installs can be SOOOOO much better of an experience than on windows. The different linux flavors out there have varying amounts of support for installing things and when you tell your installed flavor of linux on the command line to install something, it checks to see if you have the pre-requisites for it and it installs them if they are not there, before it grabs the program you want.

Don't expect files and folders to exist or even be in the same place as on windows, naming routines are different, etc. You'll have a phase of being lost in the woods and you'll need your compass (god bless internet search for linux info).
7/2/2026 9:18:06 PM EDT
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Just like any new tool, the first few days with Linux, or even the first few weeks, will be a learning experience.

I'm typing this right now running Mint with the Cinnamon desktop environment on an old laptop. It does OK, faster than Win10 would be on this hardware, but it's no speed demon.

The first big issue you will have with Linux, even a distribution that is "Windows-like" such as Mint, is that you will spend a lot of time looking for things. Everything is just a bit different.

Unless your needs are super-basic, the second big issue you have is that not everything can be done through the graphical desktop environment. You will almost certainly wind up having to open a terminal window and start Googling what shit you need to type. Yeah, the graphical tools are getting better with Linux, but they are still not 100% there.

The third big issue is that some things simply won't work as well as Windows. I've run Chrome (Chromium in Linux-speak), Brave (which is based on Chrome), and Zen browser. They all have problems rendering pages and playing media that the Windows versions don't have. And sometimes there is literally no solution. My particular case-in-point is Kindle Reader. There is no Kindle Reader for Linux. Yes, you can use the Kindle Web Reader, but that only works for books you bought from Amazon. If you have a lot of personal stuff posted to your Kindle account, or just hosted locally, you can't read it. And Kindle refuses to run in the "Wine" Windows-emulator that is available for Linux. Yes, I can and do use Calibre for ebooks, but 90% of my ebook ecosystem is based on Kindle.

Anyhow, install Linux and give it a try. Again, Mint is an excellent choice to start with. I recommend just going for it rather than getting into analysis paralysis over what the best distro is. You can always change to something else later.
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7/3/2026 6:51:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By aa777888-2:
Just like any new tool, the first few days with Linux, or even the first few weeks, will be a learning experience.

I'm typing this right now running Mint with the Cinnamon desktop environment on an old laptop. It does OK, faster than Win10 would be on this hardware, but it's no speed demon.

The first big issue you will have with Linux, even a distribution that is "Windows-like" such as Mint, is that you will spend a lot of time looking for things. Everything is just a bit different.

Unless your needs are super-basic, the second big issue you have is that not everything can be done through the graphical desktop environment. You will almost certainly wind up having to open a terminal window and start Googling what shit you need to type. Yeah, the graphical tools are getting better with Linux, but they are still not 100% there.

The third big issue is that some things simply won't work as well as Windows. I've run Chrome (Chromium in Linux-speak), Brave (which is based on Chrome), and Zen browser. They all have problems rendering pages and playing media that the Windows versions don't have. And sometimes there is literally no solution. My particular case-in-point is Kindle Reader. There is no Kindle Reader for Linux. Yes, you can use the Kindle Web Reader, but that only works for books you bought from Amazon. If you have a lot of personal stuff posted to your Kindle account, or just hosted locally, you can't read it. And Kindle refuses to run in the "Wine" Windows-emulator that is available for Linux. Yes, I can and do use Calibre for ebooks, but 90% of my ebook ecosystem is based on Kindle.

Anyhow, install Linux and give it a try. Again, Mint is an excellent choice to start with. I recommend just going for it rather than getting into analysis paralysis over what the best distro is. You can always change to something else later.
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I have had zero problems viewing websites in Linux, Firefox, Chrome, Chromium and Brave which is my go to.

There is always Edge for Linux.

https://explore.microsoft.com/en-us/edge/download?form=MA13FJ&ch=1

You have to scroll down to just below "Other Download options", I've used it and it works just fine on Linux.

The whole Kindle system is closed source, so don't expect any 100 % working setup anytime soon.

So I chose the "get both" option and went with an Amazon Fire tablet and manually installed FBReader to read ebooks that were not purchased from Amazon.

It has a built in Kindle app and can read ebooks from purchased from Amazon just fine.

I can just copy whatever Ebook I want over from my pc using the "File Transfer" option with it just like any other Android device.

And since its a tablet and not just a book reader its much more usable for me even tho 99% of the time I only use it to read ebooks.

I have only purchased a couple of ebooks off amazon, just remember you are allowed by law one digital backup copy but on Kindle they make it REALLY difficult to do that so I need to "find" a copy and download it.

The vast majority of ebooks I have are DRM free, I have the FBReader app on my phone also and can read what I want on it and I also use Calibre on my pc occasionally.
7/3/2026 8:02:42 PM EDT
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With the right Calibre plug-in's and an older Kindle Reader you can extract files from the Kindle Reader and remove the DRM
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7/3/2026 8:20:49 PM EDT
[#31]
Download Ubuntu MATE.  Follow the directions.  Enjoy.
8/14/2026 8:57:58 PM EDT
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Just to mess around with it I used VirtualBox and ran with Mint. Worked fine to get a feel for everything and see how everything worked.
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Same, use virtual box and rant centos.... Just wanted to have the same platform as I use RHEL alot at work.
8/16/2026 12:47:11 PM EDT
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Same, use virtual box and rant centos.... Just wanted to have the same platform as I use RHEL alot at work.
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I stopped using CentOS when support ended for CentOS 8 and migrated to RHEL 8 (free licenses under the dev program). CentOS Stream being moved upstream in between Fedora and RHEL didn't provide the kind of guarantee I wanted at the time regarding moving applications back and forth between RHEL and CentOS.

Fedora would be on my shortlist for trying things as a 'Nix noob. I always like Mint and at some point it really comes down to what package manager you like better and what little features in the OS you like better.
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8/18/2026 9:27:27 PM EDT
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I stopped using CentOS when support ended for CentOS 8 and migrated to RHEL 8 (free licenses under the dev program). CentOS Stream being moved upstream in between Fedora and RHEL didn't provide the kind of guarantee I wanted at the time regarding moving applications back and forth between RHEL and CentOS.

Fedora would be on my shortlist for trying things as a 'Nix noob. I always like Mint and at some point it really comes down to what package manager you like better and what little features in the OS you like better.
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Originally Posted By Falkus:
Same, use virtual box and rant centos.... Just wanted to have the same platform as I use RHEL alot at work.


I stopped using CentOS when support ended for CentOS 8 and migrated to RHEL 8 (free licenses under the dev program). CentOS Stream being moved upstream in between Fedora and RHEL didn't provide the kind of guarantee I wanted at the time regarding moving applications back and forth between RHEL and CentOS.

Fedora would be on my shortlist for trying things as a 'Nix noob. I always like Mint and at some point it really comes down to what package manager you like better and what little features in the OS you like better.

Fedora KDE is a good distro
9/10/2026 10:01:50 PM EDT
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@urbanredneck did you ever pick a linux distro?
9/10/2026 10:35:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BearTrooper:
@urbanredneck did you ever pick a linux distro?
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No moves yet. Other projects to work on and MS started updates on win 10 again
9/10/2026 10:35:54 PM EDT
[#37]
@beartrooper
9/10/2026 11:55:44 PM EDT
[#38]
Fedora KDE is my go to distro these days.  Up-to-date kernel, secure boot support, and fractional scaling works out of the box.
If it's horrible, it exists. If it's beautiful, you're imagining it.
9/10/2026 11:58:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: kp01][Edited] [#39]
Use any "Desktop" or "Workstation" version and it will have all the tools you need for web browsing.

For example, Ubuntu Desktop. https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop

All the same browsers you have on Windows, are on Linux.

I mostly do Server variants with no GUI, but I have had many dual boot systems with Linux GUI environments and windows. KDE, Gnome, xfce, etc.


I learned by installing Red Hat Linux 5.0, and Slackware 4 back in the day...


Download ISO, put on USB with something like Rufus (https://rufus.ie/en/ ), boot from USB, install on disk etc..




9/11/2026 6:15:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By kp01:
Use any "Desktop" or "Workstation" version and it will have all the tools you need for web browsing.

For example, Ubuntu Desktop. https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop

All the same browsers you have on Windows, are on Linux.

I mostly do Server variants with no GUI, but I have had many dual boot systems with Linux GUI environments and windows. KDE, Gnome, xfce, etc.


I learned by installing Red Hat Linux 5.0, and Slackware 4 back in the day...


Download ISO, put on USB with something like Rufus (https://rufus.ie/en/ ), boot from USB, install on disk etc..




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Brave browser's now in the snap store.  Before I'd have to go to their site and copy and paste a few lines in the terminal.
9/11/2026 1:28:40 PM EDT
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If you want to try out a few distros without wiping your machine and re-installing constantly you can run them in a VM using your current windows machine as a host.

Get something like Oracle VirtualBox and follow a how to on YouTube to spin up a few Linux distro VM's.  

I have a bunch of VM's I've built over the years of different distros...mainly just to try them out.  I don't daily drive Linux, but I have a few Linux boxes on my network running different services.  Mine are all headless distros that I SSH into to manage, so not much help to you.  

I don't have a good suggestion for a distro for you, but I would say just download a bunch of ISO's and spin up all the  VM's and give them a try.  Then you can pair it down to a few on a short list you want to try installed directly on some hardware.
9/11/2026 5:28:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Moondog:


Brave browser's now in the snap store.  Before I'd have to go to their site and copy and paste a few lines in the terminal.
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Originally Posted By Moondog:
Originally Posted By kp01:
Use any "Desktop" or "Workstation" version and it will have all the tools you need for web browsing.

For example, Ubuntu Desktop. https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop

All the same browsers you have on Windows, are on Linux.

I mostly do Server variants with no GUI, but I have had many dual boot systems with Linux GUI environments and windows. KDE, Gnome, xfce, etc.


I learned by installing Red Hat Linux 5.0, and Slackware 4 back in the day...


Download ISO, put on USB with something like Rufus (https://rufus.ie/en/ ), boot from USB, install on disk etc..






Brave browser's now in the snap store.  Before I'd have to go to their site and copy and paste a few lines in the terminal.

Brave Origin is also free on Linux. That is the version of Brave that has most of the garbage stripped out of it like Leo and their crypto BS.
9/11/2026 9:21:47 PM EDT
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Ubuntu MATE.

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