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Posted: 8/13/2020 12:16:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So drones are aircraft now and fall under full regulation of the FAA?  I'Good, they need a phone book sized stack of regulations and operators should have pilots licenses and be required to file flight plans. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: should go high enough to allow property owner to shoot down drones flying above Shooting at aircraft should be considered a terrorist act. So drones are aircraft now and fall under full regulation of the FAA? I'Good, they need a phone book sized stack of regulations and operators should have pilots licenses and be required to file flight plans. However, besides manned CONTROL flight where currently legal I think 50 feet above manned structures should be restricted unless the drone operator has written permission from the owner. If these passenger carrying drones ever become wide spread (I feel it's a flop like when everyone was freaking out about the VLJ and air taxi in the early 2000's) I feel they need to be 500 feet away and when not in forward flight need to be directly over roads. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 12:23:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Is it any worse than being woken up by some asshole mowing his yard? Or a street crew working on repaving the street? Or a garbage truck? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I take it you have never been woken up at 6am on your day off by some asshole in a crop duster repeatedly buzzing your house. No. Is it any worse than being woken up by some asshole mowing his yard? Or a street crew working on repaving the street? Or a garbage truck? Or police sirens at 3am? |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 12:25:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plenty of my trees are taller than that, who owns the canopy and can I sue them if it falls on my house? I like the "Infinity and beyond" idea, that way I would own a million acres somewhere in space if it was far enough away. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 12:28:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or police sirens at 3am? I'm assuming OP is asking the question in relationship to drones, the police or street department or garbage trucks don't really have a choice on where they go and when.....some random guy with his toy does. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 12:31:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, but you are the one that is wrong. I worked in the communication tower design/installation/maintenance industry for over 20 years and I assure you per the FAA any tower 200' or taller AGL must have a beacon light on it. Yes. But that doesn't mean that 200' AGL is controlled air space. Controlled airspace is Class A, B, C, D and E. Class G airspace is uncontrolled and extends to either 700' AGL or 1,200' AGL. The FAA permits licensed and unlicensed drone operations up to 400' AGL, or up to 400' above above the top of a tower when operating within 400' laterally of that tower. Additionally, the FAA allows certified commercial drone operations within class B-C airspace through the LAANC system which notifies the local ATC of your operational area and gives you a maximum height you are allowed to operate at. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 12:41:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. But that doesn't mean that 200' AGL is controlled air space. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sorry, but you are the one that is wrong. I worked in the communication tower design/installation/maintenance industry for over 20 years and I assure you per the FAA any tower 200' or taller AGL must have a beacon light on it. Yes. But that doesn't mean that 200' AGL is controlled air space. Yes it does. If they are telling you that any tower 200' or above must have a beacon, then they are controlling the space 200' or above. Unless you want to do wordplay and call it "regulating" instead of "controlling." |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 12:50:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you have lakefront property, how much of the lake do you own? Around here, none. They are ACOE lakes and they actually own an easement up into your property. I actually had a property owner tell me while I was walking the lake when it wayyy down a few years ago...to stay off his property. Like, when the lake goes down, his property line moves. I ignored him. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 12:57:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes it does. If they are telling you that any tower 200' or above must have a beacon, then they are controlling the space 200' or above. Unless you want to do wordplay and call it "regulating" instead of "controlling." That's not how the FAA defines controlled vs. uncontrolled airspace. Just because a 200' tall tower or other structure has a beacon light on it, doesn't meant that that area is in controlled airspace. There are lots of towers and structures located in Class G airspace. Class G is defined by the FAA as uncontrolled airspace (it falls outside Class A, B, C, D, or E airspace up to either 700' AGL or 1,200' AGL) and is outside the areas where ATC has authority or responsibility to control the air traffic. Most of the land in the United States falls under Class G airspace. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:01:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Class G airspace is uncontrolled and extends to either 700' AGL or 1,200' AGL depending on it's location to a Class B-E airspace cone. Glad you can recite the basic dimensions taught to the student pilot. It gets more complex than that. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:04:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those aren’t FAA minimums, and there are a lot of other issues that go into that. Close enough for general aviation VFR, assuming there's no tall obstacles in the area. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:04:45 PM EDT
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Can someone cantilever a building above your property line?
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:06:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not how the FAA defines controlled vs. uncontrolled airspace. Just because a 200' tall tower or other structure has a beacon light on it, doesn't meant that that area is in controlled airspace. There are lots of towers and structures located in Class G airspace. Class G is defined by the FAA as uncontrolled airspace (it falls outside Class A, B, C, D, or E airspace up to either 700' AGL or 1,200' AGL) and is outside the areas where ATC has authority or responsibility to control the air traffic. Most of the land in the United States falls under Class G airspace. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes it does. If they are telling you that any tower 200' or above must have a beacon, then they are controlling the space 200' or above. Unless you want to do wordplay and call it "regulating" instead of "controlling." That's not how the FAA defines controlled vs. uncontrolled airspace. Just because a 200' tall tower or other structure has a beacon light on it, doesn't meant that that area is in controlled airspace. There are lots of towers and structures located in Class G airspace. Class G is defined by the FAA as uncontrolled airspace (it falls outside Class A, B, C, D, or E airspace up to either 700' AGL or 1,200' AGL) and is outside the areas where ATC has authority or responsibility to control the air traffic. Most of the land in the United States falls under Class G airspace. Then the FAA is contradicting themselves. They are defining 200' as uncontrolled, while at the same time they are enforcing control over it. That does sound like the typical government agency though. 
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:06:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you have lakefront property, how much of the lake do you own? In my case, none. I have access rights though. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:09:11 PM EDT
[#14]
Infinitely. That way, somewhere in the universe, you own your own planet.
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:11:25 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then the FAA is contradicting themselves. They are defining 200' as uncontrolled, while at the same time they are enforcing control over it. That does sound like the typical government agency though. They are only enforcing control over the structure itself in order to help prevent pilots from running into that structure during night time flight in uncontrolled airspace. 200' AGL is not a definition for any flight level out side of an airport approach path. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:12:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: To the vacuum of space. Government would love that. You get taxed for all of that extra space, then air travel gets an easement over your property, just like the roads. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:13:55 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can someone cantilever a building above your property line? How about a zip line across their backyard....as long as you don't touch the ground your legal 
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:14:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 87 feet |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:18:41 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 500' AGL and below is uncontrolled airspace. Yeah, no. You need to read up on airspace classes. FAA 107 here. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:19:19 PM EDT
[#20]
Did you buy the air rights to your property when you purchased your property?
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:23:06 PM EDT
[#21]
I'm not really certain, however, last week when a helicopter hovered directly over my property for about 15 minutes I was certain there wasn't much I could do without landing in a bunch of hot water.
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:26:20 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I own a sliver all the way down to the center of the earth. It is just a dot by the time it gets there. Based on that, I own a huge chunk of outer space. But the chunk in outer space is constantly rotating and changing... |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:38:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 500' AGL and below is uncontrolled airspace. 200 ft. airspace restriction in my area due to low flying military aircraft. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:41:44 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm assuming OP is asking the question in relationship to drones, the police or street department or garbage trucks don't really have a choice on where they go and when.....some random guy with his toy does. “Toy” Lol. The ignorance shows |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:41:58 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are only enforcing control over the structure itself in order to help prevent pilots from running into that structure during night time flight in uncontrolled airspace. 200' AGL is not a definition for any flight level out side of an airport approach path. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Then the FAA is contradicting themselves. They are defining 200' as uncontrolled, while at the same time they are enforcing control over it. That does sound like the typical government agency though. They are only enforcing control over the structure itself in order to help prevent pilots from running into that structure during night time flight in uncontrolled airspace. 200' AGL is not a definition for any flight level out side of an airport approach path. Yeah, I know the reasons why they do it, but, I don't see how calling it uncontrolled while at the same time exerting control over a structure extending into it is not a contradiction. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:42:00 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I take it you have never been woken up at 6am on your day off by some asshole in a crop duster repeatedly buzzing your house. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: should go high enough to allow property owner to shoot down drones flying above Shooting at aircraft should be considered a terrorist act. I take it you have never been woken up at 6am on your day off by some asshole in a crop duster repeatedly buzzing your house. You would be wrong. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:49:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your toy drone is surely equal to piloted helicopters and commercial airplanes....do you wear a flight suit when you "pilot" it?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: should go high enough to allow property owner to shoot down drones flying above Can I shoot down piloted helicopters? How about commercial airplanes? Your toy drone is surely equal to piloted helicopters and commercial airplanes....do you wear a flight suit when you "pilot" it? |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:50:23 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To the highest physical structure on your property Or maybe highest tree. I could see arguments for both In before a drone hating thread 50' above the highest structure or tree in your county.  |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:52:26 PM EDT
[#29]
Can I park a blimp above my neighbor's house? Tie a line to my chimney and let it float downwind?
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:53:03 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: “Toy” Lol. The ignorance shows Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm assuming OP is asking the question in relationship to drones, the police or street department or garbage trucks don't really have a choice on where they go and when.....some random guy with his toy does. “Toy” Lol. The ignorance shows The vast majority of drones are toys that have no legitimate reason to be flying around someones property....toy isn't necessarily a negative term (obviously you find offensive lol)....I have plenty of guns that I consider range toys, I have no use for them other than having fun on the range. So....keep your toy on your property. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:59:24 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No it isn’t. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 500' AGL and below is uncontrolled airspace. No it isn’t. Is it 50' AGL? Can't remember, ground school was a long time ago. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:01:27 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it 50' AGL? Can't remember, ground school was a long time ago. 700' AGL or 1,200' AGL depending on it's proximity to controlled airspace. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:02:23 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 700' AGL or 1,200' AGL depending on it's proximity to controlled airspace. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is it 50' AGL? Can't remember, ground school was a long time ago. 700' AGL or 1,200' AGL depending on it's proximity to controlled airspace.  Been awhile Looks like mostly 1200' |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:02:31 PM EDT
[#34]
Quoted: should go high enough to allow property owner to shoot down drones flying above How wishful 
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:02:54 PM EDT
[#35]
You can own it as high as you want, but you have to pay to fence it all in, plus jump through all the legal hoops, etc.
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:16:28 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The vast majority of drones are toys that have no legitimate reason to be flying around someones property....toy isn't necessarily a negative term (obviously you find offensive lol)....I have plenty of guns that I consider range toys, I have no use for them other than having fun on the range. So....keep your toy on your property. You don’t own that air above your property. So let’s consider it public and can be used for many reasons On the same way, many public roads out By me lead to nowhere. Many people have no other “legitimate” reason to be on them other than going on a random drive in the country, can we keep those people off the roads too? |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:20:10 PM EDT
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Drones flying/spying is an invasion of personal space. Period. Sorry your drone fun is in jeopardy.
Property lines go to infinity. However, FAA ruling come in to muddy the water. In 1940 the altitude was defined as 85 feet. Who Owns The Air Above Your Property +500' is "Navigable" air space. Plenty of muddy water to slosh through. YMMV If you are having problems, maybe you should address it in other avenues than a forum. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:22:11 PM EDT
[#38]
It will be whatever Amazon and Google need it to be when they start doing drones all over
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:22:43 PM EDT
[#39]
I consider it ALL of my airspace!!!!!
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:26:32 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don’t own that air above your property. So let’s consider it public and can be used for many reasons On the same way, many public roads out By me lead to nowhere. Many people have no other “legitimate” reason to be on them other than going on a random drive in the country, can we keep those people off the roads too? Sounds great....I assume you don't mind if the neighbors on either side of you decide to put a zip line or shooting range across your backyard right? I mean by your logic, as long as they don't touch the ground it's all good. Just out of curiosity, what do you consider your drone? You got pissy about me calling it a toy....what is it? |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:28:15 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds great....I assume you don't mind if the neighbors on either side of you decide to put a zip line or shooting range across your backyard right? I mean by your logic, as long as they don't touch the ground it's all good. Just out of curiosity, what do you consider your drone? You got pissy about me calling it a toy....what is it? If you see my earlier post in here, my opinion was your property line should go to either the top of your tallest structure or tree. Maybe make it whichever is the tallest of those two and that’s what your property line goes to. If you want to shoot or zip line only higher than my tallest trees, ok then. Fly the drone above that then good to go. Go below that and it’s not ok. That would be a compromise for all the drone haters. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:28:42 PM EDT
[#42]
Zoning can tell you...they probably have a restriction on how high you can build..........
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:31:12 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you see my earlier post in here, my opinion was your property line should go to either the top of your tallest structure or tree. Maybe make it whichever is the tallest of those two and that’s what your property line goes to. If you want to shoot or zip line only higher than my tallest trees, ok then. lol So what is your drone if it's not a toy, is it a tool, vaginal emotional support vehicle, bird racer....what do you consider your drone? |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:35:25 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol So what is your drone if it's not a toy, is it a tool, vaginal emotional support vehicle, bird racer....what do you consider your drone? Quote HistoryQuoted: lol So what is your drone if it's not a toy, is it a tool, vaginal emotional support vehicle, bird racer....what do you consider your drone? An unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) (or uncrewed aerial vehicle, commonly known as a drone) is an aircraft without a human pilot on board and a type of unmanned vehicle. Or for the simple minds, it’s a tool for tasks |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:37:48 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol So what is your drone if it's not a toy, is it a tool, vaginal emotional support vehicle, bird racer....what do you consider your drone? I consider mine a tool. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:39:24 PM EDT
[#46]
All I know is my dog barks at anything in his airspace
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:39:25 PM EDT
[#47]
To infinity and beyond.
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:40:42 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or for the simple minds, it’s a tool for tasks You gave a definition, I asked what it was for you.....what tasks do you complete with this tool? |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:42:45 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I consider mine a tool. That's cool.....for the record I have no issue with drones, but I think you should either keep them over your property or ask for permission to fuck around other peoples property....just like you would (should) for doing anything else. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:43:28 PM EDT
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 Sonny Rhodes The Ballad of Serenity with Lyrics (Firefly Opening Theme Song) |
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