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Posted: 12/10/2021 7:17:51 AM EST
[#1]
A good thing that came out of WWII was the Nazis and the Soviets killing each other. We should have continued killing the SS for the last 76 years. The Israelis stopped in the early 70s and really needed to step up their action on it. It’s never too late.
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Posted: 12/10/2021 7:35:51 AM EST
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Hitler's big mistake was not treating his war in Russia as a war of liberation and only after the Russians overthrew Stalin (because it wasn't like the Soviets were loved by the people) THEN killing everyone and everything east of the Oder River. All those Slavs would have gladly fought for Hitler if he framed his invasion as fighting to liberate them from the evils of Communism and kept the SS on a short leash until later.
But no, he had to go balls deep on the civilians behind the lines and that played right into Stalin's hand propaganda-wise and people-wise. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 7:57:06 AM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Communists had a better public relations department than the Nazis. Nazis had snazzier uniforms, though! 
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Posted: 12/10/2021 7:59:16 AM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Soviets were truly fucking horrific people that were fucking white knighted by Westerns media and governments. What is interesting is that to this day, the Germans are forever shamed for the actions of the Nazis and their treatment of the Jews. Yet the Soviet Pogroms nor the Doctors' Plot is every discussed. If it wasn't for the sudden death of Stalin, the Jews of the USSR would have been liquidated in the gulags. Stalin killed more than Hitler did in the Holocaust. Between Duranty of the NYT covering for the Holodomor and all of the commie sympathizers in Hollywood and academia, the Soviets get whitewashed. McCarthy was largely correct as we know from the Venona Project. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 8:05:40 AM EST
[#5]
Respect for a man's service, as it should be.
It seems like the propaganda machine runs both ways. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 8:08:00 AM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Respect for a man's service, as it should be. It seems like the propaganda machine runs both ways. I wish we would treat our veterans that way. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 8:36:10 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted:  Stick to what you know. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The great patriotic war is what they call it? Guess I didn't know that. Just watch the video and see how they treat the veteran Stick to what you know. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 8:39:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hitler's big mistake was not treating his war in Russia as a war of liberation and only after the Russians overthrew Stalin (because it wasn't like the Soviets were loved by the people) THEN killing everyone and everything east of the Oder River. All those Slavs would have gladly fought for Hitler if he framed his invasion as fighting to liberate them from the evils of Communism and kept the SS on a short leash until later. But no, he had to go balls deep on the civilians behind the lines and that played right into Stalin's hand propaganda-wise and people-wise.  Just shows you how fucked up the Soviets were. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 8:39:44 AM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Stalin killed everyone who was a general or flag officer during ww2 except Zhukov. Please document |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 8:41:07 AM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Subpar Communist designed pistols? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The great patriotic war is what they call it? Guess I didn't know that. Just watch the video and see how they treat the veteran Stick to what you know. And knock-off Garands! |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 8:41:19 AM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish we would treat our veterans that way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Respect for a man's service, as it should be. It seems like the propaganda machine runs both ways. I wish we would treat our veterans that way.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 8:43:09 AM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish we would treat our veterans that way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Respect for a man's service, as it should be. It seems like the propaganda machine runs both ways. I wish we would treat our veterans that way. That plays for more in their day to day lives than some bullshit propaganda parade. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 9:00:21 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/53/WW2_snipers_2_final_copy_jpeg-2198360.JPG@Glock23 - World War II Snipers: The Men, Their Guns, Their Story. Scheduled to be released in 2022. 10 x 8, color images, 300 plus pages and over 200k words. I'm afraid that the pictures overwhelm the text and that buyers don't read the text.  It would be their loss as there is some very fresh research that no author has ever covered. As written there were over 1k notes so future researches can fact check my statements. Bibliography is over thirteen pages and lists manuals, documents, conversations, letters, interviews, articles and books.I've been and still am really looking forward to this!!!!! |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 9:09:02 AM EST
[#14]
Not that most in the Soviet Union had much choice anyhow, get conscripted or enjoy the gulag or a bullet to the head.
But at least the Germans (mostly) own up to the horrible shit they did. The Soviets never admitted to anything, and act like some great liberators.... the great enslavers is more correct. At least we got some Eastern European countries out of the deal who truly hate the Russians and communism. So it isn’t all bad. Now if we could just find a way to let all the dipshit socialists here experience true communist style fun for a short while, so they could wake up to reality, we could save our own society. But that would be to easy, and I fear we will have to slowly slide towards socialist ways first, and go deep into the horrors it involves before people wake up, because they aren’t the kind to learn from history. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 9:16:16 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted:  Estonia keeping it real in here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s horrible he didn’t die 80 years ago. Estonia keeping it real in here. Estonia is sounding a little bitter lately.  However, the Russians behaved every bit as abhorrent as the Nazis did in WW2. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 9:25:03 AM EST
[#16]
They care enough about their veterans that they have jumped thru fire hoops to recover their war dead…..oh wait, they haven’t. Sorry man, I just see it differently. I’m sure the video is patriotic, I’m just not a fan of Russians and/or communists. Communism is like rabies, the odds of recovery are REALLY slim. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 9:31:54 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Subpar Communist designed pistols? @Miami_JBT Subpar communist guns--like Smith & Wessons made in Massachusetts? |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 9:34:11 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And knock-off Garands! @QCMGR If you were any good at your job as a QC manager, you would understand that my Garands are perfect. None of mine contain any CMP. ( Corrosion and Metal Pitting) |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 9:51:01 AM EST
[#19]
Interesting timing to post a pro-Russia propaganda piece.
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Posted: 12/10/2021 9:56:30 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The great patriotic war is what they call it? Guess I didn't know that. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 9:58:46 AM EST
[#21]
The lucky ones were in the rear firing katyusha rockets
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:01:34 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Miami_JBT Subpar communist guns--like Smith & Wessons made in Massachusetts? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Subpar Communist designed pistols? @Miami_JBT Subpar communist guns--like Smith & Wessons made in Massachusetts? |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:08:22 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, that was disrespectful, not much diversity or inclusion! Too bad he had to live to see the fall of the Soviet Union to the Americans....... Click To View Spoiler |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:09:08 AM EST
[#24]
Here is Ukraine honors their heroes.
  
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:13:57 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wow, that was disrespectful, not much diversity or inclusion! Too bad he had to live to see the fall of the Soviet Union to the Americans....... Click To View Spoiler  |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:23:29 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukrainians and others originally welcomed the Nazis as liberators. https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6nInEjdtSuw/VqLAJzN5joI/AAAAAAABuXQ/y25_wVR68p4/s1600/Ukrainian_girls_welcoming_Germans_4.jpg Just shows you how fucked up the Soviets were. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hitler's big mistake was not treating his war in Russia as a war of liberation and only after the Russians overthrew Stalin (because it wasn't like the Soviets were loved by the people) THEN killing everyone and everything east of the Oder River. All those Slavs would have gladly fought for Hitler if he framed his invasion as fighting to liberate them from the evils of Communism and kept the SS on a short leash until later. But no, he had to go balls deep on the civilians behind the lines and that played right into Stalin's hand propaganda-wise and people-wise. https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6nInEjdtSuw/VqLAJzN5joI/AAAAAAABuXQ/y25_wVR68p4/s1600/Ukrainian_girls_welcoming_Germans_4.jpg Just shows you how fucked up the Soviets were. Exactly. Holodomor. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:32:25 AM EST
[#27]
Funny but in places were Holodomor actually happened nazis were being killed systematically. Its Western Ukraine that was very welcoming to Nazis. The annexed butthurt part of Ukraine
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:35:19 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Glad they honor their veterans. Now, if the guy was limbless, he could have been shuffled off to some island and out of public sight. There are rumors that some were placed on a barge and drowned. It was worse for women. If disfigured, she'd probably never married as women soldiers were thought of poorly in Russian culture. A woman seen wearing the medal, For Military Service, was referred to as a woman who earned it, For Sexual Services. Soldiers who brought home a soldier-wife embarrassed their parents who thought it was degrading for their son to have taken such a woman. A soldier woman who wanted a husband had to hide her service and feign ignorance of military life. This is covered in my sniping book. @4v50 Do you have a source on this? Having grown up in USSR with grandparents that served, never saw that. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:39:58 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just watch the video and see how they treat the veteran Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The great patriotic war is what they call it? Guess I didn't know that. Just watch the video and see how they treat the veteran Yeah that's pretty cool. But you need to understand most are not treated like that- more importantly they were not treated like that in 1945. And now Putin tries to rewrite history and made a law saying it's illegal to offend a veteran...which means he uses them as puppets and if you say anything against it, guess what. You're offending them and breaking that law. BUT, with that said, Russia does have a reverence for their veterans that is commendable nonetheless. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:40:49 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The great patriotic war is what they call it? Guess I didn't know that. The "Great Patriotic War", where they heroically defended the Soviet Union and Mother Russia by pre-emptively invading Finland, Norway, and Poland. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:42:28 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @4v50 Do you have a source on this? Having grown up in USSR with grandparents that served, never saw that. @Voland If what Sergei says is true, then you wouldn't have. Dunno about veracity.  May of 1946, When Handicapped Veterans Disappeared From The Streets in the Soviet Union This second one reminds me of our nation and the media that follows party line:  Disability Benefits for Soviet Veterans. Taking Care of Our Heroes #ussr |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:42:42 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You do know the allies did it in WW1 in the trenches. Roy Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I agree it is nice to see veterans honored, but what you describe sounds about right. Any country that would shoot retreating soldiers, doubtfully cares much about service or sacrifice. You do know the allies did it in WW1 in the trenches. Roy And? Lots of allied powers were absolute cunts in WW1 and got millions of good people killed. WW1 was beyond depraved. Probably lots of people formerly in positions of power roasting in hell over that one. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:44:28 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude. Leave the guy alone. He did what he had to in a time of turmoil, and defended his country. As did millions of others from dozens of countries. I think it’s awesome how they honoured him. The Russians do a lot of crap I don’t like, but they’re not wrong all the time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s horrible he didn’t die 80 years ago. Dude. Leave the guy alone. He did what he had to in a time of turmoil, and defended his country. As did millions of others from dozens of countries. I think it’s awesome how they honoured him. The Russians do a lot of crap I don’t like, but they’re not wrong all the time. He has reasons to hate Russia...but unfortunately he lets his hate for the USSR and communism filter down to the average poor slob who was given a rifle and sent to the front- or volunteered to go when the Nazis invaded. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:44:49 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess the raping and beating was done off camera. Soviet Veterans were treated like shit. Those that became POWs during the war were "liberated" by the Red Army and sent to the gulags. Those that were handicapped were whisked away and shuttered, away from the public. Others were made to suffer as being labeled as politically unreliable due to coming I to contact with subversive ideas like democracy or freedom of speech if they met any western soldiers. Others lived under the wonders of Marxist-Leninist Socialism and had horrible lives. The bullshit you see in that video is pure propaganda. The selected few, treated like that are far and in between. Im sorry, this is just not true. While this video is 100% propaganda, growing up in USSR I personally saw A TON of wwII veterans missing limbs etc. No one hid them. On the contrary, they got the pick of apartments, garages etc. Now, some ended up as drunks and beggars, especially the ones whos families rejected them or had bad PTSD. Maybe this did happen in some cases, but this was not what I saw with my own eyes. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:46:08 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/53/WW2_snipers_2_final_copy_jpeg-2198360.JPG@Glock23 - World War II Snipers: The Men, Their Guns, Their Story. Scheduled to be released in 2022. 10 x 8, color images, 300 plus pages and over 200k words. I'm afraid that the pictures overwhelm the text and that buyers don't read the text. It would be their loss as there is some very fresh research that no author has ever covered. As written there were over 1k notes so future researches can fact check my statements. Bibliography is over thirteen pages and lists manuals, documents, conversations, letters, interviews, articles and books.Awesome, so happy we could help out a bit with this! |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:46:24 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And? Lots of allied powers were absolute cunts in WW1 and got millions of good people killed. WW1 was beyond depraved. Probably lots of people formerly in positions of power roasting in hell over that one. What Marsh Bob (Master Robert or Robert E. Lee) said holds true today: "It is a good thing war is so horrible; lest we should grow fond of it." |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:46:42 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude. Leave the guy alone. He did what he had to in a time of turmoil, and defended his country. ... Unless he was invading someone else's country. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:46:48 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Voland If what Sergei says is true, then you wouldn't have. Dunno about veracity.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSxs4BVlitUThis second one reminds me of our nation and the media that follows party line: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_soHZq4OhMThanks! Ill have to watch these and talk to my parents about it and see what they remember too. They, born in the early 50's will probably have a better recollection and understanding than I did. Ill also have to pick up your book when it comes out! |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:47:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Awesome, so happy we could help out a bit with this! Arfcom has been awesome. Many helped but like our own glorious Marshal Zhukov the mod helped but declined recognition. It can be said that Arfcom and another gun board wrote parts of this book. Like Bathhouse Barry said, "You didn't do that."  FBHO, Let's Go Brandon! FHRC, FWJC, FGHWB, FGWB. Can you tell I hate politicians?
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:48:49 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah that's pretty cool. But you need to understand most are not treated like that- more importantly they were not treated like that in 1945. And now Putin tries to rewrite history and made a law saying it's illegal to offend a veteran...which means he uses them as puppets and if you say anything against it, guess what. You're offending them and breaking that law. BUT, with that said, Russia does have a reverence for their veterans that is commendable nonetheless. What an utter BS.....How were they treated in 1945? Please do tell As a matter of fact right now they are getting such treatment because of how little of them are still alive. My grandpa was a veteran. They had special stores where they can get stuff unavailable to others. Special pensions. Yes some were in more dire situation for various reasons. Sometime simply because they were drunks with no family to take care of them. There were veterans that were abusing their status wildly. Yes, POW were under heavy scrutiny. It is always dishonor in Russian/Soviet army to be captured by enemy. Because how can you be sure that this guy who was on enemy territory is not a spy? |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:49:35 AM EST
[#41]
You should see how Ireland treats the WW2 vets. Not good.
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:49:46 AM EST
[#42]
Poor old man. They nearly scared him to death with all that yelling and all those AKs.
He probably though it was a firing squad.
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:52:31 AM EST
[#43]
How they'd treat their WW2 Veterans after the war? or during the war?
Like when KGB officers with weapons shot their own people in the back for not charging German machine guns when only 1 in 5 had loaded rifles? |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:53:11 AM EST
[#44]
Losing that many people in a generation has got to have detrimental effects on the social psyche.
I'm not sure if it's always been this way but a large portion of the Russians I've met are heavy drinkers and have a fatalistic view about life. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:53:40 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Im sorry, this is just not true. While this video is 100% propaganda, growing up in USSR I personally saw A TON of wwII veterans missing limbs etc. No one hid them. On the contrary, they got the pick of apartments, garages etc. Now, some ended up as drunks and beggars, especially the ones whos families rejected them or had bad PTSD. Maybe this did happen in some cases, but this was not what I saw with my own eyes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I guess the raping and beating was done off camera. Soviet Veterans were treated like shit. Those that became POWs during the war were "liberated" by the Red Army and sent to the gulags. Those that were handicapped were whisked away and shuttered, away from the public. Others were made to suffer as being labeled as politically unreliable due to coming I to contact with subversive ideas like democracy or freedom of speech if they met any western soldiers. Others lived under the wonders of Marxist-Leninist Socialism and had horrible lives. The bullshit you see in that video is pure propaganda. The selected few, treated like that are far and in between. Im sorry, this is just not true. While this video is 100% propaganda, growing up in USSR I personally saw A TON of wwII veterans missing limbs etc. No one hid them. On the contrary, they got the pick of apartments, garages etc. Now, some ended up as drunks and beggars, especially the ones whos families rejected them or had bad PTSD. Maybe this did happen in some cases, but this was not what I saw with my own eyes. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:53:55 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish we would treat our veterans that way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Respect for a man's service, as it should be. It seems like the propaganda machine runs both ways. I wish we would treat our veterans that way. I'm a veteran. I think I'm okay with the way the US treats me VS Russia. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:54:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, General Officers invariably got there through some measure of ambition, and quite possibly competence. If there was one thing Stalin couldn't tolerate, it was ambition or competence. Quite frankly, I'm surprised he didn't purge Zhukov, too. He had 35 million soldiers and 80,000 T-34's. Daisy Duck would rolled over the Wermacht like a speed bump with that. One man can only do so much. Russia has never had a professional NCO corps, fills the ranks with conscripts, and had basically killed all their flag ranks and most of their field grade officers in '37. Doesn't matter how many tanks and soldiers you have when the tanks crews and soldiers are untrained, there are no radios in the tanks, and the ranks from brigadeer general to major are filled with scared former Lts and Cpts. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:54:35 AM EST
[#48]
nvm
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:55:37 AM EST
[#49]
Russia is a giant trailer park. Look at those pathetic structures they're marching by.
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Posted: 12/10/2021 10:56:57 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You should see how Ireland treats the WW2 vets. Not good. |
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