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Posted: 2/4/2017 5:15:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woozman:
wasn't there a guy in another thread who was telling everyone how silencers need to be expensive because there is so much overhead costs to producing one? Yup. Overhead (US standard of living) and greed are prob the biggest reasons they are as expensive as they are. You could prob spin the same thing out, on the same cnc machines, to the same tolerances, in china, for a 1/10th of the cost. The limited market and legal bs is the same in both cases so cancels out. It's not really a legitimate factor, just a worn out excuse for the markup. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 5:18:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freudianslip:
A repair... A little ship of theseus here. Form 1 cans (by current ATF interpretation) must be sent to an SOT for repair that add/replace "suppressor parts." For example, if I have an endcap strike on my Form 1 can, that pulls the threads out of the tube, I can cut the tube a little shorter, rethread and reinstall the endcap myself. If I have a catastrophic failure that requires replacing a baffle, I'm supposed to send it to an SOT to do it. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 5:19:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swede1986:
Couldn't he just destroy this one and then make a new one with the same serial number? In a logical world, yes. In the world with the current BATFE, no, he can't. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 5:32:22 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woozman:
wasn't there a guy in another thread who was telling everyone how silencers need to be expensive because there is so much overhead costs to producing one? Probably, there's also guys in every silencer thread with moronic hyperbolic assertions that there's no reason they aren't given out free and made from smelted pop cans or other bullshit. A lot of industry expense is dedicated towards building a silencer that not only performs well, but lasts forever, figuratively speaking. Comparing the OP's ABS plastic .22 can to something with Inconel baffles meant to withstand repeated full auto fire from short barreled centerfire rifles over thousands of rounds is like comparing a soapbox race car to a Ford GT because "they both roll on wheels." It also ignores that the OP needed a 3d printer, a lathe, and 3d modeling software to produce it. Don't get me wrong. A lot of suppressor pricing is pure margin, they aren't that hard to make. I've made 3 that are essentially copies various expensive commercial cans, for material cost as little as 10% of what a commercial can costs. Even with the cool guy features like ratchet lock QD mounts. But I am a machinist and have the equipment to do it. Freeze plugs and Maglite tubes are still most peoples best option to F1 at home, and while they are effective, they are not going to have the longevity of something purpose designed and made. I'm in no way trying to disparage what the OP did here. It's fucking cool as hell. But how does the ABS react to heat? How does POI shift as that reaction occurs? What is the lifespan of the joint between the brass nut and plastic shell? What kind of baffle erosion? The answer to all of those is poor. The OP knows that. The people who take his example as proof everyone who bought a commercial can got scammed apparently don't. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 5:33:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2:
But you can send them to an American citizen, right? I am a real American. Fight for the rights of every man... No. He's not kidding. It's why you won't see any of the solid models of my cans here or anywhere, anymore. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 5:37:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1Andy2]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki:
No. He's not kidding. It's why you won't see any of the solid models of my cans here or anywhere, anymore. I know he's not kidding. But it's also not an ITAR violation to share a drawing of a gun with an American citizen. Your post is pretty much exactly what I expected to happen when dept of State came out with that regulatory fiat about ITAR and the internet, too. Chilling of free speech like a motherfucker. 
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Posted: 2/4/2017 5:41:26 PM EDT
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Rendering of the 3D print process
Section view in Solidworks 
Transparent view in Solidworks showing the threaded insert 
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Posted: 2/4/2017 5:41:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2:
I know he's not kidding. But it's also not an ITAR violation to share a drawing of a gun with an American citizen. I understand, but once the drawing is outside of his control, how much responsibility does he have for that design then getting into someone elses hands? How much will it cost to prove that he complied with ITAR? If this administration changes the makeup of the Justice and State department, and puts some logic back into the enforcement of ITAR, I'll fill your inbox with every novel and reverse engineered solid model I've ever created. Not before that happens though. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 5:43:48 PM EDT
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Good job OP.
ABS has roughly a 1.05% shrink, so figure that into your design if it's needed. ABS might be too brittle to withstand much usage, especially in harsher temps. Be careful nothing snaps inside and obstructs your barrel..... Try it with Polycarbonate. I've got the material. Would it be legal for me to print the components for you and mail them as separate pieces? That way you could try PC if that junky makerbot doesn't print PC. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 5:47:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tifosi:
You'd also be throwing away $200 and a 10 month wait.  
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Posted: 2/4/2017 5:49:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTM1:
No longer allowed, the tube must be the serialized part. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 5:56:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: noob5000000]
[#12]
Neat! Hopefully someday soon, anyone will be able to buy a plastic blister pack of 5 similar things off of a rack for $30 at any sporting goods store.
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Posted: 2/4/2017 5:59:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillehayd:
Except that it cost him $203, not $3, and it's not disposable because the serialized part is what will fail. If HPA passes then this becomes a really cool thread. Where do we get these FREE 3D printers? |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 6:13:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki:
I understand, but once the drawing is outside of his control, how much responsibility does he have for that design then getting into someone elses hands? How much will it cost to prove that he complied with ITAR? If this administration changes the makeup of the Justice and State department, and puts some logic back into the enforcement of ITAR, I'll fill your inbox with every novel and reverse engineered solid model I've ever created. Not before that happens though. Uh, probably about as much liability as all the people who actually sell real, physical ITAR-controlled items like night vision goggles and firearms. Which is to say, zero. My body, uh, inbox is ready. 
I mean, I could redo from scratch what he's done in my Rhinocad program going from those pictures he posted. But there's only so many hours in a day. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 6:14:09 PM EDT
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Nice work.
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Posted: 2/4/2017 6:18:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BladedRonin:
Cool, but I, for one, would not want to form 1 and pay 200 for a disposable item. *sigh* |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2017 6:32:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: oetkbyetdia]
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DetrhoytMAK:
*sigh* Er'body be all fatf, until it is time to do fatf shit
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CO, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2017 6:46:41 PM EDT
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UNPOSSIBLE
I heard you needed a PhD in mechanical engineering and had to get a 25 year internship, then become a genius, and buy a $500,000 warhouse with $87,000,000 in equipment to be able to make ANYTHING firearm related! And oh, the overhead costs! They're so much guyz! Everyone needs an $87,000 salary even if the only thing they do is hold a dial gauge all day long and then wipe up some scrap metal with a broom! Its an extremely cognitively challenging career, only a fucking master entrepreneur could do this stuff. With luck. OP's post is photo shopped
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Posted: 2/4/2017 7:01:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CTM1]
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Leisure_Shoot:
So, make a metal tube, with printed insert I guess you could and when and if the insert craps out then send it to an SOT that can print another insert. Wondering if such as insert could be viewed as a disposable part like a wipe and be replaced by he end user. Knowing the ATF the answer would be NO, but interesting times but just do not see the upside of the 3d if it has a metal tube. . |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2017 7:10:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woozman:
wasn't there a guy in another thread who was telling everyone how silencers need to be expensive because there is so much overhead costs to producing one? You need to be more specific. There are several threads and several guys. 
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Posted: 2/4/2017 7:34:08 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swede1986:
Couldn't he just destroy this one and then make a new one with the same serial number? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swede1986:
Originally Posted By David0858:
And $200 and a long wait down the drain when it's disposed of.  Couldn't he just destroy this one and then make a new one with the same serial number? Not legally. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 7:35:24 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Leisure_Shoot:
So, make a metal tube, with printed insert Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Leisure_Shoot:
Originally Posted By CTM1:
No longer allowed, the tube must be the serialized part. 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2017 7:37:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Echd]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mygreenkaw:
Where do we get these FREE 3D printers? In all fairness, you can get a newer version of the OP's printer for $650 on ebay. If the suppressor held up well, you pretty much pay for it with 2-3 cans. Heck, just print monocores for a plain tube, I wonder if it would be better or worse than a freeze plug f1? |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2017 7:43:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: oetkbyetdia]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTM1:
I guess you could and when and if the insert craps out then send it to an SOT that can print another insert. Wondering if such as insert could be viewed as a disposable part like a wipe and be replaced by he end user. Knowing the ATF the answer would be NO, but interesting times but just do not see the upside of the 3d if it has a metal tube. . Metal tube is pretty much just a serial number holder. I doubt it's even legit to put the serial on a plastic part. Let's be realistic here. There will be no atf or sot involved when it wears out, and they don't even care. They are cool with that. But, at no fkn time are you to get on the fkn web machine and show off your new fkn parts. They still will not care that you made your own parts, but they will get shitty bent that you let others know that you did so without their blessing. Muh powerz!! |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 7:52:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RUSHgsxr:
The coolest shit I've seen on the internet today award goes to you. Sweet
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PA, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2017 8:06:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: oetkbyetdia]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Redarts:
In all fairness, you can get a newer version of the OP's printer for $650 on ebay. If the suppressor held up well, you pretty much pay for it with 2-3 cans. Heck, just print monocores for a plain tube, I wonder if it would be better or worse than a freeze plug f1? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Redarts:
Originally Posted By mygreenkaw:
Where do we get these FREE 3D printers? In all fairness, you can get a newer version of the OP's printer for $650 on ebay. If the suppressor held up well, you pretty much pay for it with 2-3 cans. Heck, just print monocores for a plain tube, I wonder if it would be better or worse than a freeze plug f1? You can get ones that would print this just fine for less than $200 nowadays. Even less if you want to build yourself, but I would not recommend this to somebody just getting into it. I bought mine on a whim because of a thread here, and wtf $250. Buddies kid uses the fancy expensive ones at school, but prefers to use mine because it prints better. It took a bit of work to get it that way, but you are waayy better off learning as you go and making things stronger as you notice weaknesses. You get something that is marketed as push button easy and you will never learn to spot problems, what may be the cause, or how to fix it. Anybody that buys one of these expecting it to be push button easy is in for a rude awakening. No such thing in this hobby. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 8:07:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UV18:
A solid .22 suppressor...... cleaning must not be an option |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 8:08:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/4/2017 8:09:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oetkbyetdia:
You can get ones that would print this just fine for less than $200 nowadays. Even less if you want to build yourself, but I would not recommend this to somebody just getting into it. I bought mine on a whim because of a thread here, and wtf $250. Buddies kid uses the fancy expensive ones at school, but prefers to use mine because it prints better. It took a bit of work to get it that way, but you are waayy better off learning as you go and making things stronger as you notice weaknesses. You get something that is marketed as push button easy and you will never learn to spot problems, or what may be the cause. And anybody that bought one of these expecting it to be push button easy was in for a rude awakening. No such thing in this hobby. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oetkbyetdia:
Originally Posted By Redarts:
Originally Posted By mygreenkaw:
Where do we get these FREE 3D printers? In all fairness, you can get a newer version of the OP's printer for $650 on ebay. If the suppressor held up well, you pretty much pay for it with 2-3 cans. Heck, just print monocores for a plain tube, I wonder if it would be better or worse than a freeze plug f1? You can get ones that would print this just fine for less than $200 nowadays. Even less if you want to build yourself, but I would not recommend this to somebody just getting into it. I bought mine on a whim because of a thread here, and wtf $250. Buddies kid uses the fancy expensive ones at school, but prefers to use mine because it prints better. It took a bit of work to get it that way, but you are waayy better off learning as you go and making things stronger as you notice weaknesses. You get something that is marketed as push button easy and you will never learn to spot problems, or what may be the cause. And anybody that bought one of these expecting it to be push button easy was in for a rude awakening. No such thing in this hobby. I use 3D printers professionally. While I agree it's not exactly a plug and play situation yet, it's getting there quickly. The Airwolf3D Axiom series is affordable and fairly automated. The difficulty is still in the design process. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2017 8:19:43 PM EDT
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The ATF will when they come to stomp on the OPs dick after they find an old one in the trash
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USA
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Posted: 2/4/2017 8:22:44 PM EDT
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nice!
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Posted: 2/4/2017 8:25:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Geoltexman:
The ATF will when they come to stomp on the OPs dick after they find an old one in the trash I was very careful to get it right the first time to avoid the mere possibility of having anything like that sitting around. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 8:27:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shotar:
Make the brass thread adapter the serialized component. That's what I was thinking. I'd hate to have a year wait and $200 tied up in a questionable suppressor. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 8:36:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
God damn that's cool My sentiments exactly. I have been kicking around the idea of purchasing a 3D printer for some time now. I have been collecting plans for various items of interest for some time as well. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 8:37:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swede1986:
Couldn't he just destroy this one and then make a new one with the same serial number? Legally? No. However in theory nobody would ever know............. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 8:45:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tree-hugger]
[#36]
Place in canvas bag.
Smash repeatedly with Mallet. Distribute into multiple Walmart bags. Place each Walmart bag in various gas station trash cans while fueling. Bonus points for emptying cig buts into said bag first at each fill up. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2017 8:49:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mp9fan:
I use 3D printers professionally. While I agree it's not exactly a plug and play situation yet, it's getting there quickly. The Airwolf3D Axiom series is affordable and fairly automated. The difficulty is still in the design process. $4k is pretty crazy when you could prob build that same thing easily for ~$500 if you started at the bottom and learned your way up. And that guy is going to be pulling his hair out and done (put a fork in it, done) when the offset for the autolevel changes. Autolevel is the devil as far as I am concerned. I see so many people buy that shit thinking its gonna be push button easy. It takes 30sec to level the bed and rarely needs to be done. Even quicker/less often and can do it by eye/feel after about 2 wks. The poor guy that bought the autolevel because it says "auto" has to 1st learn how to setup and use the autolevel. This is way, way, waayy more fkn difficult than just leveling the bed manually and getting to actually learn wtf is going on. I'd say the slicers would be the toughest part. So many knobs and switches in there to fk up
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Posted: 2/4/2017 8:52:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki:
Probably, there's also guys in every silencer thread with moronic hyperbolic assertions that there's no reason they aren't given out free and made from smelted pop cans or other bullshit. A lot of industry expense is dedicated towards building a silencer that not only performs well, but lasts forever, figuratively speaking. Comparing the OP's ABS plastic .22 can to something with Inconel baffles meant to withstand repeated full auto fire from short barreled centerfire rifles over thousands of rounds is like comparing a soapbox race car to a Ford GT because "they both roll on wheels." It also ignores that the OP needed a 3d printer, a lathe, and 3d modeling software to produce it. Don't get me wrong. A lot of suppressor pricing is pure margin, they aren't that hard to make. I've made 3 that are essentially copies various expensive commercial cans, for material cost as little as 10% of what a commercial can costs. Even with the cool guy features like ratchet lock QD mounts. But I am a machinist and have the equipment to do it. Freeze plugs and Maglite tubes are still most peoples best option to F1 at home, and while they are effective, they are not going to have the longevity of something purpose designed and made. I'm in no way trying to disparage what the OP did here. It's fucking cool as hell. But how does the ABS react to heat? How does POI shift as that reaction occurs? What is the lifespan of the joint between the brass nut and plastic shell? What kind of baffle erosion? The answer to all of those is poor. The OP knows that. The people who take his example as proof everyone who bought a commercial can got scammed apparently don't. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki:
Originally Posted By woozman:
wasn't there a guy in another thread who was telling everyone how silencers need to be expensive because there is so much overhead costs to producing one? Probably, there's also guys in every silencer thread with moronic hyperbolic assertions that there's no reason they aren't given out free and made from smelted pop cans or other bullshit. A lot of industry expense is dedicated towards building a silencer that not only performs well, but lasts forever, figuratively speaking. Comparing the OP's ABS plastic .22 can to something with Inconel baffles meant to withstand repeated full auto fire from short barreled centerfire rifles over thousands of rounds is like comparing a soapbox race car to a Ford GT because "they both roll on wheels." It also ignores that the OP needed a 3d printer, a lathe, and 3d modeling software to produce it. Don't get me wrong. A lot of suppressor pricing is pure margin, they aren't that hard to make. I've made 3 that are essentially copies various expensive commercial cans, for material cost as little as 10% of what a commercial can costs. Even with the cool guy features like ratchet lock QD mounts. But I am a machinist and have the equipment to do it. Freeze plugs and Maglite tubes are still most peoples best option to F1 at home, and while they are effective, they are not going to have the longevity of something purpose designed and made. I'm in no way trying to disparage what the OP did here. It's fucking cool as hell. But how does the ABS react to heat? How does POI shift as that reaction occurs? What is the lifespan of the joint between the brass nut and plastic shell? What kind of baffle erosion? The answer to all of those is poor. The OP knows that. The people who take his example as proof everyone who bought a commercial can got scammed apparently don't. All valid points. But do I care about longevity when I can make another for a couple bucks? |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2017 8:53:24 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fidel_Cashflow:
My sentiments exactly. I have been kicking around the idea of purchasing a 3D printer for some time now. I have been collecting plans for various items of interest for some time as well. They are fkn awesome and a ton of fun, for the right person. For the wrong person, they can be your worst fkn nightmare
Here is a quick test. You buy ar15 and it short strokes when you take it out. Do you fix the thing, or send it back? If you answered fix the thing, awesome and a ton of fun. If you answered send it back, your worst fkn nightmare. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 9:11:08 PM EDT
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I see your 'mouse holes' are 180 degrees apart.
All the info I have read says they should be lined up for best performance. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 9:31:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
God damn that's cool |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 9:35:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaBeamz:
The fucking thing only cost him $203, 22 cans should be disposable anyway. FIFY |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 10:00:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mp9fan]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oetkbyetdia:
$4k is pretty crazy when you could prob build that same thing easily for ~$500 if you started at the bottom and learned your way up. And that guy is going to be pulling his hair out and done (put a fork in it, done) when the offset for the autolevel changes. Autolevel is the devil as far as I am concerned. I see so many people buy that shit thinking its gonna be push button easy. It takes 30sec to level the bed and rarely needs to be done. Even quicker/less often and can do it by eye/feel after about 2 wks. The poor guy that bought the autolevel because it says "auto" has to 1st learn how to setup and use the autolevel. This is way, way, waayy more fkn difficult than just leveling the bed manually and getting to actually learn wtf is going on. I'd say the slicers would be the toughest part. So many knobs and switches in there to fk up Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oetkbyetdia:
Originally Posted By mp9fan:
I use 3D printers professionally. While I agree it's not exactly a plug and play situation yet, it's getting there quickly. The Airwolf3D Axiom series is affordable and fairly automated. The difficulty is still in the design process. $4k is pretty crazy when you could prob build that same thing easily for ~$500 if you started at the bottom and learned your way up. And that guy is going to be pulling his hair out and done (put a fork in it, done) when the offset for the autolevel changes. Autolevel is the devil as far as I am concerned. I see so many people buy that shit thinking its gonna be push button easy. It takes 30sec to level the bed and rarely needs to be done. Even quicker/less often and can do it by eye/feel after about 2 wks. The poor guy that bought the autolevel because it says "auto" has to 1st learn how to setup and use the autolevel. This is way, way, waayy more fkn difficult than just leveling the bed manually and getting to actually learn wtf is going on. I'd say the slicers would be the toughest part. So many knobs and switches in there to fk up It's a minor learning curve to understand the concept of what elements of the slicer affect different aspects of the print. Also the printer companies help with this as well. Their engineers are learning too and share the info. I went through a couple manual leveling printers. After the machine is broken in with 100 or so hours of print time, it becomes a pain in the ass to get the bed juuuust right each time. And it doesn't always work. Plus the process of eyeballing it manually isn't precise. The auto leveling feature works and works really well. I put 100s of print hours through my first Axiom and the auto leveler worked and continues to work flawlessly. What broke first was the heat bed supports ETA: yes I'll grant you that 4K is a lot for a hobby toy when you can build one for $300 or whatever. But 4K is an awesome price for a professional machine, with warranty and engineer support, and a proven record for specific resolutions and speeds , etc |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 10:10:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oetkbyetdia:
They are fkn awesome and a ton of fun, for the right person. For the wrong person, they can be your worst fkn nightmare
Here is a quick test. You buy ar15 and it short strokes when you take it out. Do you fix the thing, or send it back? If you answered fix the thing, awesome and a ton of fun. If you answered send it back, your worst fkn nightmare. I have assembled all of my ARs except for the first one I purchased and mill my own 80% lowers. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2017 10:24:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mp9fan:
It's a minor learning curve to understand the concept of what elements of the slicer affect different aspects of the print. Also the printer companies help with this as well. Their engineers are learning too and share the info. I went through a couple manual leveling printers. After the machine is broken in with 100 or so hours of print time, it becomes a pain in the ass to get the bed juuuust right each time. And it doesn't always work. Plus the process of eyeballing it manually isn't precise. The auto leveling feature works and works really well. I put 100s of print hours through my first Axiom and the auto leveler worked and continues to work flawlessly. What broke first was the heat bed supports ETA: yes I'll grant you that 4K is a lot for a hobby toy when you can build one for $300 or whatever. But 4K is an awesome price for a professional machine, with warranty and engineer support, and a proven record for specific resolutions and speeds , etc For sure 
Different set of needs for hobbyist vs pro. Time vs money thing I'd say. When people ask, I tell them autolevel is to speed things up for those who already know wtf they are doing. It most definitely is not to make things easier for the guys that don't know wtf they are doing. Nobody listens though, and they usually end up beating their head against the wall for ~2wks trying to figure out how to setup the autolevel, instead of the ~5min it will take you to level it the 1st time manually
As a homegamer, I enjoyed all the deficiancies of the $250 el cheapo that I got. Every one of them was a chance to learn more about this witchcraft. The thing printed ok out of the box, but after tuning things up, it does pretty damn good. Hell, drawing the parts to stiffen things up was how learned to draw
I just looked at the ones I uploaded for others to use, over 7,000 downloads 
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PA, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2017 10:28:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fidel_Cashflow:
I have assembled all of my ARs except for the first one I purchased and mill my own 80% lowers. You absolutely need one of these in your life then
I'd say don't shell out the big bucks on a fancy one and go with the erector set ones like I got. Half the fun is making it better yourself (just like ARs), and lots of projects to practice drawing along the way. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2017 10:37:21 PM EDT
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These things selling for $40 at the LGS is what we'd see if NFA went away for silencers, IMO.
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Posted: 2/4/2017 10:43:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: oetkbyetdia]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWODaddy:
These things selling for $40 at the LGS is what we'd see if NFA went away for silencers, IMO. My shit would be running 24/7 if that happened. $40 would be making decent money, $20 on the friends and family discount would still prob make out good
ETA you could hit the button, go to sleep, and have 16 of the things waiting for you in the morning
(put the printer somewhere it can't burn the fkn place down or gas you out if you leave it unattended) |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 10:50:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oetkbyetdia:
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." Thomas Jefferson This really can't be quoted enough. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 11:06:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shotar:
Make the brass thread adapter the serialized component. There ya go, like the soda bottle adaptors. The rest is a replaceable wipe stack. |
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