I would encourage everyone to watch it again.  Last night I thought that DJT had screwed up and lost.  Then I watched again tonight knowing what to expect.  Here's what I see:
Trump not only won, he kicked her ass.  After watching and more importantly listening, it's really obvious.  Kamala is simply an actress reciting rehearsed lines.  Her emotional facial expressions were all coached and contrived.  Yes she threw in a couple of bait questions that Trump fell for, but it is really obvious if you listen to when she did it.  To deflect her failure!  Trump was stoic and factual. The moderators are activists and on second viewing you will see that very clearly.  It really was 3 on 1.  They fed her talking points.  It's shocking how bad they did when you view it a second time.

I came away from this thinking that American history will be very kind to Donald Trump.  He has no equal in modern politics.  He will win.

Lol. I couldn’t watch that shit one time, much less twice

I’ve got it recorded.

I’ll watch it Sunday when the wife is visiting her mom.

I will bet money Trump did way better than ARFcom was reporting.

100% agree. I didn’t watch it twice but, I feel like I did because of all the reviews of it. She did nothing but act and project. ABC should be ashamed of there supposed journalists.

First impressions..

The people that need to re-watch it, didnt watch it to begin with and don't care

Yes, and it's very likely she got the questions before the debate and almost certain DJT did not.  She would have been a babbling idiot if this was a head-to-head equal debate.

I watched none of it and don't intend to.  It would just piss me off and raise my blood pressure. I know who I am voting for and it aint KT.

She "looked" in control.  But she really wasn't, and really was avoiding answering anything.

Glad you posted this.

Think I will give it a try.  I may have been too irritated to see any of the good last night.

I think everyone wants dominance and eloquence and kamala to look like Joe Biden with vergina

Sober this time?

I understand now why she's calling for a second debate.  She needs it!

It was painful.

She was sincerely just reciting answers to questions already given to her. She did well with that, but there was no substance.

Trump couldn't stay on point and seemed constantly on defense.

This.

OP, do you really think it makes any difference at all? Do you think democrats or swing voters are going to watch the debate a second time with a pad and pen like they're scoring a boxing match and say, "well, it was a close 10-9 debate but Trump squeezed out the win so he gets my vote!"

I listened to it live while traveling last night.  I didn’t have the distraction of the facial non sense.  Listening to it, Trump won. She recited a bunch of crap I’ve heard her say before, denied responsibility for anything and had no real solutions.  She could not defend her record or explain why her views are suddenly different from her long history.  She was also very nervous, choking on dry mouth.  To me, it wasn’t even close.  I was surprised to see people so quick to say she won.

Of course, Trump spoke in the way Trump speaks.  That is already a known factor and doesn’t change the landscape.

I think everyone expects him to verbally pistol whip her because she's got nothing, but few people  are quick enough, sharp enough and articulate enough to absolutly bury a trained lawyer/politican no matter how vapid they are..

Vivek is a rare talent, Trump did ok for himself with the entire stage against him.

Sometimes, I re-watch clips of bum fights and come to similar conclusions.

^^ This -I thought I was pretty objective. I thought Harris did as well as she could but had zero merit and Trump did as well as he could considering he was ganged up on but had some merit. I would give it 4 Harris and 6 Trump (but I am biased)

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One question I have is does it really matter who actually won when each side says they won and would never change their opinion no matter what proof was given?

doesnt matter. starvation is coming

She knew way too many details about select questions, her narrative always picked up real fast in response to the questions.
She knew the dirty shit to interject, she was coached by the best .

That was obvious to me when I watched it last night.

I'm still trying to understand the screeching by everyone here.

She succeeded in pissing him off.

It matters if you consider that it's actually Kamala who is unhinged.  Watch her face.  She is a bad unstable actress.  Trump is an actual statesman next to her and pretty much everyone else.

Everyone was expecting Trump to do to Kamala what happened to Biden back in July.

You have to understand that the debate in July was a setup. The democrats, aided by the media, set Biden up to fail.

Trump stepped right in to it.

Both times.

I've said it here multiple times, but just watch.  In future election cycles, Dems will start to be professional actors turned into politicians.  They are nothing but puppets and after the embarrassment of Biden and Kamala's word soups and avoiding the press, they need people comfortable talking in front of cameras.  DNC will start funneling funding to campaigns of people with legitimate acting skills.

There was a debate?

I’ll probably watch it again, but I already think he bested her.

Perhaps some think she beat him because they’re comparing her performance to Biden’s in June.

It seemed to me that not only were Harris’s answers recited incantations, but fit so smoothly to the questions posed, that the only plausible explanation is collusion and fraud.

Kamala Harris has never before sounded informed, polished and resolute when answering any question. During the debate her responses were “seamless”, yet her very animated facial expressions while Trump was speaking told a different story.
^^^^
I have seen this many, many times from the criminal element while conducting investigations and interviews/interrogations of criminal suspects.
^^^^
People do this only when they’re trying to convince others they are not concealing something.

Today there is speculation that Harris was wearing earbud earrings, and there is also some evidence to suggest this may be the case.
^^^^
If true, this would explain her unexpectedly good performance compared to literally anything else she’s done publicly.

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We will know in a few days when we see what direction support shifts in the next round of polls. While I don't believe the magnitude (who is or isn't "winning") we should see whether it moved in one direction or the other

Trump got out all the information he wanted to an audience that otherwise would not hear it through the media they watch or listen to.

I thought he did good - he only had to show up and do what he does.

Kamala's words were empty - no plan.

Doesn't matter here. 87% of Arfcom is voting for the bitch.

You may be right, it is the Globalists’ plan.

I tried, but bailed about two minutes in. I can not stand the sound of her voice. It's worse than fingernails on a chalkboard.

Jeez I’m shocked we almost made it to the 2nd page of a politics thread without the usual TDS sufferers popping in to carry water for Kamala…

Question 1: DJT, why are you such a piece of shit and said this years ago, so we will take it out of context

DJT defends; FKH just rests her head on her hand and grins.

Question 2: FKH, why is DJT such a piece of shit, and please give us your canned rehearsed statement

That was the whole "debate".

T addressed and clarified the abortion issue early, her script didn't get around to it way later.

The ABC moderators had their orders, and here you see those orders executed.



1) Trump says Pelosi is responsible for security at the Capitol. True. Muir intervenes on Kamala’s behalf by cutting him off with snarky retort, doesn’t acknowledging the validity of Trump’s statement, and immediately redirects to Kamala to set up her “answer" he knows is coming. This is direct action by Muir to affect the outcome of this exchange.

2) Kamala says she was at the Capitol on J6. She was there in the morning, but left to go to DNC HQ prior to the riot. Critical information is omitted. No fact-check.

3) Kamala says Trump incited a mob to attack the Capitol. False. Trump’s “peacefully and patriotically” comments are ignored. Trump is not charged with inciting violence. No fact check.

4) Kamala says that “some" police officers died on January 6. False. No fact check.

5) Kamala recites the Charlottesville “Fine People” hoax. This has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked. No fact check.

6) Kamala recites the “stand back and stand by” hoax. This is designed to infer that Trump was ordering a “militia” to act on later orders, when he was clearly asking for a cooling of tensions. No fact check.

7) Kamala recites the “bloodbath" hoax. Trump was talking about the automobile industry, not violence. No fact check.

To quote Megyn Kelly on the ABC moderators:

"They did exactly what their bosses wanted."

I mean anyone with common sense and not staring at what the media has to say got it right on the first go around.
Again, literal common sense
I know Trump can be an asshole sometimes but dude that's what this country needs right now is a stern leader, not some insecure BW.

From Victor David Hanson,

Harris came out calm, exceeded low expectations, repeated well her memorized talking points, avoided until the last 20 minutes her trademark word-salads, and repeatedly baited and incited an increasingly angrier Trump.

Harris called for unity, while smearing him as a racist and repeating the old lies about Charlottesville, “bloodbath,” the 2025 project, and Trump’s supposed support for a federal ban on abortion.

Trump might seem to have matched or beaten Harris if one only reads a transcript of the entire debate—given she never honestly would or could reconcile her past and antithetical present positions.

Nor could Harris explain why she simply did not implement her visions either the last three years or would do so in the next five months.

An irritated Trump started well and ended well; she in-between calmly and successfully at times baited and got Trump’s goat.

But all that will neither matter nor be recalled.

The debate will instead be remembered as a three-on-one pile-on, given the unprofessional and biased team of ABC moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis. Rather than refuting pre-debate fears that their past anti-Trump biases would warp the debate, they only confirmed them.

Both disrupted the tempo to fact check (sometimes in error), and to editorialize Trump’s statements, while letting Harris’s Charlottesville, IVF, national abortion ban, “bloodbath” or 2025 lies go unchecked.

Often their disruptive fact checks of Trump were simply wrong, such as their preposterous claim that no states allow partial birth or late abortions where the viable baby is terminated—when at least six states put no limitations on any abortions.

The questions addressed to Trump on January 6 were designed to provoke. They had no counterpart addressed to Harris—as for example, would she distance herself from Biden, or how she came to win the nomination without winning any elected delegates, or her last person in the room on Afghanistan boast, or if she wished to retract any of her inflammatory past statements, such as bragging that the deadly 2020 demonstrations would not and should not stop, or her tweets to help bail out violent 2020 rioters, or her lie that the border patrol whipped immigrants in the manner reminiscent of slavery and the Klan, or her boast that she was a radical and woke.

Instead, Muir and Davis only asked Trump about supposedly controversial past statements.

Harris was never reprimanded for trying to speak over Trump. Trump was reminded to address the question asked; not so Harris who rarely did.

Watching the entire debate may have aided Harris, given her low expectations. Yet the better sound bites in the next week may help Trump. But the moderators’ shameless bias may swing empathy toward Trump.

So, the real story was how ABC’s moderators ruined the debate, their own reputations, and their network's brand.

Can't help but think if it took you twice to see it that way then most people might see it how you did yesterday?

I think it was a tie honestly but a tie is a lost opportunity when he could have done so much better.

He didn't kick anyone's ass LOL. It was all scripted BS.

Most who watched it (not me) did so once. That will be their point of view. A lot of others just watched state media talking points and they are meatheads anyway. The rest of us are not swayed by any of that nonsense. You are either a damn dirty commie or wish America could be great again. The dumbest shitheads think communism is a good idea but you have to be a moron to not already know your side.

we all expected her to be a vapid babbling idiot.  She's not.  She's a bad actress playing a role.  I think that's why she is hiding from any actual interviews.  She needs her lines.

Trump didn't win, Trump got bitch smacked and spanked. I honestly don't understand how anyone could come to any other conclusion than that. It was a horrible night for him. Why the F does he talk about rally crowd sizes? Why did he take her bait? He's like a man child.

and before you say "but muh 3 on 1, it was a tag team". Don't care. If you're complaining about the refs then you're a b*tch.

She's feeling Cocky now, and not because of Willie Brown this time.  Her peeps obviously would've told her she won no matter what, but she did far better than expected to those who can't detect substance, or the lack thereof.

What angers beyond all belief is that the entire Left believes we are just going to continue with Communist politics as usual and pretend the DNC did NOT just try to assassinate the real President and is still attempting to put him in prison only because he dared to run again. Either alone should mean the DNC is dissolved and banned forever in America, and all of the head henchmen introduced to Real Justice for Treason.

you are wrong and you are who this post is for

Both the Smug Commie Moron's side and the Narcissistic Clown's side think they won.  I think America lost the debate if this is the best the two party cult can put up to keep people distracted from the farce that modern government and elections have become.  

I am anti-communist, so I'll vote for the Clown, but I'm under no illusion that the swamp will let him make much difference.  Actually I think him winning and the swamp going full on insurgency is the only thing that might wake up the democrats who aren't actually communists, but only under the spell of the media propaganda.

It's not like we all didn't know how it was going to go last night and what they would be saying this morning.