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Link Posted: 1/23/2023 9:17:50 PM EDT
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In the Empire Strikes Back, remember when the Millenium Falcon left the asteroid field and ended up hiding on the back of an Imperial Star Destroyer?
After a short search, one of the Imperial Officers states if the Falcon had jumped into hyperspace, it could be halfway across the galaxy by then.
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He does say that, but I always assumed that was the sort of exaggeration as us saying "oh I've seen that movie a million times."  Of course we haven't, but it's the idea it conveys that is important.  The falcon could have been basically anywhere at that point, which is what I think he was really trying to convey.
Link Posted: 1/23/2023 9:23:57 PM EDT
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He does say that, but I always assumed that was the sort of exaggeration as us saying "oh I've seen that movie a million times."  Of course we haven't, but it's the idea it conveys that is important.  The falcon could have been basically anywhere at that point, which is what I think he was really trying to convey.
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In the Empire Strikes Back, remember when the Millenium Falcon left the asteroid field and ended up hiding on the back of an Imperial Star Destroyer?
After a short search, one of the Imperial Officers states if the Falcon had jumped into hyperspace, it could be halfway across the galaxy by then.


He does say that, but I always assumed that was the sort of exaggeration as us saying "oh I've seen that movie a million times."  Of course we haven't, but it's the idea it conveys that is important.  The falcon could have been basically anywhere at that point, which is what I think he was really trying to convey.


If you were an Imperial Officer, would *you* exaggerate anything when speaking to Darth Vader (unless you wanted to make Admiral)?...
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I don't think Federation socialists would be able to do anything against a being that is capable of choking the living hell out of a man from long range..............Vader would kill the whole Bridge with a flick of his wrist

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If the "actual " empire would show up, the curb stomping of the klingons and federation would be epic...

Same Empire that has troops that cant hit shit with blasters, or rely on a mystic force of midiclorian mutants for power?

Versus a fleet of starships that are all equipped with shields, phaser banks, photon torpedos and just recently got done fighting the war against the Dominion.

Oh and as of Picard have the Borg as Allies.

Yeah, the Empire would get its shit pushed in.

Darth Vader and Palpatine would crush them from a distance with the Force

And let’s throw in a Suncrusher or two……..

The Empire can bring the Yuuzhan Vong to bear


All the Star Trek ship would need to do is to transport a quantum torpedo in to the reactor core of the Death Star and Vader wouldn’t even need to throw his boss down the shaft.  Boom end of the sixth and the Jedi too since vaders Whiny kid gets kaboomed with them.


I don't think Federation socialists would be able to do anything against a being that is capable of choking the living hell out of a man from long range..............Vader would kill the whole Bridge with a flick of his wrist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV2DLkDPwM8


There were all kinds of insanely powerful brings in ST that the Force pales in comparison.
Link Posted: 1/23/2023 9:27:51 PM EDT
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I know the discussion is entirely pointless haha.  I'm just going off the information available in one series.  SW never talks about anything like phasers, so there's not really basis for comparison.

Star Wars people love to bring up the death star though and how it can destroy planets, as though that's proof of the power of lasers and of SW ship's superiority.  It's a fine argument, but they fail to remember things like the Doomsday Machine which sliced up planets with an antiproton beam and ground them to rubble as sustenance for it's operation.

Star Wars' biggest ally is the force, really.  And the sheer volume of ships is monstrous compared to what we know about Trek, imo.
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That was also a small ship with a crew of 26 compared to the Enterprise with a crew of over 1,000 and over 600M long.  Of course that little thing isn't going to put out enough power to bother the shields of that Enterprise.  Now let's look at an Imperial class destroyer at 1,600M long with about 150 turbolasers and ion cannons.

The idea of shields would be to absorb energy, it's kind of silly (well, more silly than this conversation in general ) to discount a weapon type completely when enough of it would still overwhelm the ability of shields to dissipate the energy received.


I know the discussion is entirely pointless haha.  I'm just going off the information available in one series.  SW never talks about anything like phasers, so there's not really basis for comparison.

Star Wars people love to bring up the death star though and how it can destroy planets, as though that's proof of the power of lasers and of SW ship's superiority.  It's a fine argument, but they fail to remember things like the Doomsday Machine which sliced up planets with an antiproton beam and ground them to rubble as sustenance for it's operation.

Star Wars' biggest ally is the force, really.  And the sheer volume of ships is monstrous compared to what we know about Trek, imo.


Then you have the Sun Crusher from the Star Wars universe.............whereas the Death Star was capable of destroying planets like the Doomsday Machine, the Sun Crusher could destroy whole star systems by causing stars to go supernova



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If the "actual " empire would show up, the curb stomping of the klingons and federation would be epic...

Same Empire that has troops that cant hit shit with blasters, or rely on a mystic force of midiclorian mutants for power?

Versus a fleet of starships that are all equipped with shields, phaser banks, photon torpedos and just recently got done fighting the war against the Dominion.

Oh and as of Picard have the Borg as Allies.

Yeah, the Empire would get its shit pushed in.

Darth Vader and Palpatine would crush them from a distance with the Force

And let’s throw in a Suncrusher or two……..

The Empire can bring the Yuuzhan Vong to bear


All the Star Trek ship would need to do is to transport a quantum torpedo in to the reactor core of the Death Star and Vader wouldn’t even need to throw his boss down the shaft.  Boom end of the sixth and the Jedi too since vaders Whiny kid gets kaboomed with them.


I don't think Federation socialists would be able to do anything against a being that is capable of choking the living hell out of a man from long range..............Vader would kill the whole Bridge with a flick of his wrist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV2DLkDPwM8


There were all kinds of insanely powerful brings in ST that the Force pales in comparison.



True.  The dowd in TNG wiped out an entire civilization from lightyears away with a single emotional outburst.  Every last male, female, and child.
Link Posted: 1/23/2023 9:30:21 PM EDT
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Klingon women are possibly more aggressive than the men.
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Most are portrayed as nasty, nagging, mean as bitches that will kill anyone to get what they want.  

I suspect they will fuck a human to death and like every second of killing you.
Link Posted: 1/23/2023 9:31:04 PM EDT
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Actually, the Kzinti were based on Niven's Kzinti. They appeared in the animated series.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kzinti

Also in the animated series there was another cat-like race called the Caitian. And one was serving on Enterprise.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Caitian
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TOS Klingons were best Klingons.
The constipated honerabul werriers were caricatures of the 80s notions of the samurai.

The Klingons were based on Niven's Kzinti, which were 8 foot tall tigers with hairless rat tails.


Actually, the Kzinti were based on Niven's Kzinti. They appeared in the animated series.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kzinti

Also in the animated series there was another cat-like race called the Caitian. And one was serving on Enterprise.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Caitian
TOS Klingons were based on an amalgam of the USSR and cynical appraisal of Apache individual culture, according to Gerrold in The World of  Star Trek.
Link Posted: 1/23/2023 9:32:58 PM EDT
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Then you have the Sun Crusher from the Star Wars universe.............whereas the Death Star was capable of destroying planets like the Doomsday Machine, the Sun Crusher could destroy whole star systems by causing stars to go supernova



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There's tech like that in trek too though.  The trilithium torpedos in "Generations" could destabilize a star by stopping all fusion in it, effectively causing a nova.  The Tox Uthat was essentially the same idea, a quantum phase inhibitor that could stop all fusion in a star.

Then there's red matter, a small portion of which, can form a black hole.


As I say, the one thing I can think of that blows Trek out of the water is Starkiller base.  A weapon capable of engaging multiple planets in a starsystem at once from a few systems over...that's next-level power.
Link Posted: 1/23/2023 9:35:29 PM EDT
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Can you replicate Ga'ahk?

I think not

Besides, Romulan Warbirds are the best ships.
Link Posted: 1/23/2023 9:35:37 PM EDT
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I know the discussion is entirely pointless haha.  I'm just going off the information available in one series.  SW never talks about anything like phasers, so there's not really basis for comparison.

Star Wars people love to bring up the death star though and how it can destroy planets, as though that's proof of the power of lasers and of SW ship's superiority.  It's a fine argument, but they fail to remember things like the Doomsday Machine which sliced up planets with an antiproton beam and ground them to rubble as sustenance for it's operation.

Star Wars' biggest ally is the force, really.  And the sheer volume of ships is monstrous compared to what we know about Trek, imo.
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That was also a small ship with a crew of 26 compared to the Enterprise with a crew of over 1,000 and over 600M long.  Of course that little thing isn't going to put out enough power to bother the shields of that Enterprise.  Now let's look at an Imperial class destroyer at 1,600M long with about 150 turbolasers and ion cannons.

The idea of shields would be to absorb energy, it's kind of silly (well, more silly than this conversation in general ) to discount a weapon type completely when enough of it would still overwhelm the ability of shields to dissipate the energy received.


I know the discussion is entirely pointless haha.  I'm just going off the information available in one series.  SW never talks about anything like phasers, so there's not really basis for comparison.

Star Wars people love to bring up the death star though and how it can destroy planets, as though that's proof of the power of lasers and of SW ship's superiority.  It's a fine argument, but they fail to remember things like the Doomsday Machine which sliced up planets with an antiproton beam and ground them to rubble as sustenance for it's operation.

Star Wars' biggest ally is the force, really.  And the sheer volume of ships is monstrous compared to what we know about Trek, imo.

I actually try to ignore the complete outliers that both series have.  Q, Vader force choking people from across the system, Death Star, the Traveler all are things that just throw the typical on its ear.

Personally I tend to look at the types the series focuses on.  For the Empire that is the around 25,000 Imperial class star destroyers.  For the Federation it's the nearly 150 Constitution class heavy cruisers.
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If the "actual " empire would show up, the curb stomping of the klingons and federation would be epic...

Same Empire that has troops that cant hit shit with blasters, or rely on a mystic force of midiclorian mutants for power?

Versus a fleet of starships that are all equipped with shields, phaser banks, photon torpedos and just recently got done fighting the war against the Dominion.

Oh and as of Picard have the Borg as Allies.

Yeah, the Empire would get its shit pushed in.

Darth Vader and Palpatine would crush them from a distance with the Force

And let’s throw in a Suncrusher or two……..

The Empire can bring the Yuuzhan Vong to bear


All the Star Trek ship would need to do is to transport a quantum torpedo in to the reactor core of the Death Star and Vader wouldn’t even need to throw his boss down the shaft.  Boom end of the sixth and the Jedi too since vaders Whiny kid gets kaboomed with them.


I don't think Federation socialists would be able to do anything against a being that is capable of choking the living hell out of a man from long range..............Vader would kill the whole Bridge with a flick of his wrist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV2DLkDPwM8


There were all kinds of insanely powerful brings in ST that the Force pales in comparison.

Except the Federation can't control them.  
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Anyhoo, if I could have one class of ship, it'd be BSMFPH.

Big enough to live in, small enough not to need to have 15 crewmembers as custodians.
Link Posted: 1/23/2023 9:43:20 PM EDT
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Bird of prey is one of the best ship designs in sci-fi. The scene in IV where it decloaks over the fishing boat makes my naughty bits tingle.
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Are dilithium crystals radioactive?

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Radiation killed Spock didn't it?
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Back in the original series, the Romulans were just angry Vulcans, and Klingons were Puerto Rican.
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The Bar Fight | Star Trek: Deep Space Nine - Trials and Tribble-ations
Link Posted: 1/23/2023 9:46:11 PM EDT
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The storm troopers were ordered to miss.
Plenty of nerds have calculated the destructive power and star wars wins.
Star wars had shields, too.
Star wars tech was that good "A long time ago..."
And for my final point, Imperial uniforms are cooler and they don't have Wesley Crusher, they win.
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Jar-Jar Binks?
Link Posted: 1/23/2023 9:47:01 PM EDT
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I actually try to ignore the complete outliers that both series have.  Q, Vader force choking people from across the system, Death Star, the Traveler all are things that just throw the typical on its ear.

Personally I tend to look at the types the series focuses on.  For the Empire that is the around 25,000 Imperial class star destroyers.  For the Federation it's the nearly 150 Constitution class heavy cruisers.
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Yeah volume of ships is an issue.  The federation isn't a war armada; it's a fleet of science and exploration vessels like Magellan might have traveled in.  They have weapons (like the cannons on the old ship) for defense if they fall under attack.  The empire is outfitted for war and oppression.

Star Trek does fill out pretty nicely when you advance 100-150 years, especially with the borg and 8472 floating around, federation warships, the kdf alliance, etc.

Still, Trek is heavily outnumbered, no question.
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Jar-Jar Binks?
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The storm troopers were ordered to miss.
Plenty of nerds have calculated the destructive power and star wars wins.
Star wars had shields, too.
Star wars tech was that good "A long time ago..."
And for my final point, Imperial uniforms are cooler and they don't have Wesley Crusher, they win.


Jar-Jar Binks?
The Sith lord?
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it's the only ship i know of to get a God kill.  very impressive
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Maybe he’s British.
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The Romulan Warbird was a gigantic waste of space. HUUUGE target and yet very little actual pressurized space within. All because of that giant void in the middle, yet if you shot in the middle, you'd hit their shields regardless.

If you were to fill that open air with hull, those ships would be a fraction of the size they are/were.

Seems extremely impractical.

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Klingons eat worms
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That's because they're woke and realized how bad livestock are for the environment.
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The Romulan Warbird was a gigantic waste of space. HUUUGE target and yet very little actual pressurized space within. All because of that giant void in the middle, yet if you shot in the middle, you'd hit their shields regardless.

If you were to fill that open air with hull, those ships would be a fraction of the size they are/were.

Seems extremely impractical.

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It was powered by an artificial black hole. Weird ass design is meant to accommodate its power source.
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It was powered by an artificial black hole. Weird ass design is meant to accommodate its power source.
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Never knew that. But I guess that explains it.
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Klingon women are possibly more aggressive than the men.
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Cloaking device.


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What bothered me about Klingons using cloaking devices in TNG is all their blather about honor.  So in combat, they're going to hide like cowards from their opponents (typically the Federation who didn't use cloaking) and use an unfair advantage, and then brag about honor?  Really?

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Disagree, but neat to find someone else who's read Niven's Known Space series.  I read so many of his books when I was a tween. The Puppeteers were entertaining.

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What is ridiculous about all the Star Trek ships (Romulan, Klingon, Federation et al) is in fact the location of the command bridge on a prominent location basically one bulkhead away from outer space.

The sci-fi designers seem hell bent on the idea that the crew needs to see through windows to see where they are going, or that is the lasting impression.
The bridge of every Enterprise for example (Constitution, Ambassador, Galaxy, Excelsior, Sovereign class), has the command bridge located in a bulge on the dorsal surface
of the saucer section. A very dumb engineering and tactical faux pax. The reality is the commander sees and maintains situational awareness through a viewscreen monitor
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Well, you hear a "swoosh" during the opening credits too as the Enterprise zings by in space.  It wasn't all about scientific authenticity, though they did an admirable if not often amazing job of it, they had to keep it relatable to television audiences of the era, and since no household typically had a camera/computer monitor screen to relate to, especially for a vehicle of any sort, Roddenberry probably felt it necessary to put the bridge where people would expect to find one.
Nowadays we wouldn't find that peculiar.  Same as the modern day 2D or even 3D "holographic" interfaces you commonly see in SciFi TV and movies today, that would've been just a bridge too far back then, even if they could fake it with optic FXs.  You can't push the belief factor too far on certain things.  It's not always logical though what you can push far and what you can't, it's just a people thing I guess.


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I agree that it was far cooler looking.
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I would have been-scratch that-I WOULD be happy with a couple of those hot, green alien women.
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No way.  The Romulan ships were painted like a fucking Trans-Am!

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Yup, came here to post one of those.

The models folks for that series weren't even trying.
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No, that would be this.


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K'helyr would make it worthwhile.  

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K'helyr could have sentenced me to Snu-Snu and I wouldn't have objected.
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That thing needs some long curly sideburns.
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That thing needs some long curly sideburns.
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That thing needs some long curly sideburns.


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Most are portrayed as nasty, nagging, mean as bitches that will kill anyone to get what they want.  

I suspect they will fuck a human to death and like every second of killing you.
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Klingon women are possibly more aggressive than the men.

Most are portrayed as nasty, nagging, mean as bitches that will kill anyone to get what they want.  

I suspect they will fuck a human to death and like every second of killing you.


I'd never fuck a Klingon woman, no matter how much Romulan ale I drank.
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https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Caitian

I felt like the TV and movie franchises missed the mark without adding this species to the mix. An interesting character and the marketing potential for this would be off the chart. It would be easily done with today's CGI tech.
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True.  The dowd in TNG wiped out an entire civilization from lightyears away with a single emotional outburst.  Every last male, female, and child.

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If the "actual " empire would show up, the curb stomping of the klingons and federation would be epic...

Same Empire that has troops that cant hit shit with blasters, or rely on a mystic force of midiclorian mutants for power?

Versus a fleet of starships that are all equipped with shields, phaser banks, photon torpedos and just recently got done fighting the war against the Dominion.

Oh and as of Picard have the Borg as Allies.

Yeah, the Empire would get its shit pushed in.

Darth Vader and Palpatine would crush them from a distance with the Force

And let’s throw in a Suncrusher or two……..

The Empire can bring the Yuuzhan Vong to bear


All the Star Trek ship would need to do is to transport a quantum torpedo in to the reactor core of the Death Star and Vader wouldn’t even need to throw his boss down the shaft.  Boom end of the sixth and the Jedi too since vaders Whiny kid gets kaboomed with them.


I don't think Federation socialists would be able to do anything against a being that is capable of choking the living hell out of a man from long range..............Vader would kill the whole Bridge with a flick of his wrist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV2DLkDPwM8


There were all kinds of insanely powerful brings in ST that the Force pales in comparison.



True.  The dowd in TNG wiped out an entire civilization from lightyears away with a single emotional outburst.  Every last male, female, and child.

plus, you know, Q.
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Dominion has the best fleet.  Efficient attack ships.  Capable battlecruisers.  God-tier command ship.    

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I felt like the TV and movie franchises missed the mark without adding this species to the mix. An interesting character and the marketing potential for this would be off the chart. It would be easily done with today's CGI tech.
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They've got one on ST: Lower Decks.


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Lower Decks is the best Trek made after "Nemesis", imo.  Better than JJ Trek (which is the better of the rest of the productions).  Disco is unwatchable, SNW started out being really woke so I never gave it a chance, Picard is merely passable, and though I hear Prodigy is good, it's so catered towards kids that I can't get into it.

Lower Decks is a love letter to trekkies.
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plus, you know, Q.
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Yeah, felt like cheating mentioning Q though
Link Posted: 1/23/2023 11:51:35 PM EDT
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One of the best characters in all of Star Trek.

https://i.postimg.cc/Z53K5RsX/Q-Trumpet.gif
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Oh yeah.  DeLancie is a genius
Link Posted: 1/24/2023 3:17:06 AM EDT
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Oh yeah.  DeLancie is a genius
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Q is the most misused character and concept in all of Star Trek.

And what they did with him in Picard proves my case.

Link Posted: 1/24/2023 3:41:07 AM EDT
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Most are portrayed as nasty, nagging, mean as bitches that will kill anyone to get what they want.  

I suspect they will fuck a human to death and like every second of killing you.
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Klingon women are possibly more aggressive than the men.

Most are portrayed as nasty, nagging, mean as bitches that will kill anyone to get what they want.  

I suspect they will fuck a human to death and like every second of killing you.



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...  There really does need to be an explanation for how a warrior culture that actively despises engineers, project management, and Power Point manages to keep in the same ballpark as the Federation technologically.
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They did it the same way Islam did:   Conquer more advanced races, and put Their engineers to work for you.
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