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Posted: 8/1/2024 5:39:27 PM EST
This after rampant 13th and 14th generation processor issues. Some estimates are putting the failure rate at 25-50% depending on sku.
Chipmaker Intel Corp. is cutting 15% of its massive workforce about 15,000 jobs as it tries to turn its business around to compete with more successful rivals like Nvidia and AMD. In a memo to staff, Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger said Thursday the company plans to save $10 billion in 2025. "Simply put, we must align our cost structure with our new operating model and fundamentally change the way we operate," he wrote in the memo published to Intel's website. "Our revenues have not grown as expected and we've yet to fully benefit from powerful trends, like AI. Our costs are too high, our margins are too low." The job cuts come in the heels of a disappointing quarter and forecast for the iconic chip maker founded in 1968 at the start of the PC revolution. Next week, Gelsinger wrote, Intel will announce an "enhanced retirement offering" for eligible employees and offer an application program for voluntary departures. Intel had 124,800 employees as of the end of 2023 according to a regulatory filing. "These decisions have challenged me to my core, and this is the hardest thing I've done in my career," he said. The bulk of the layoffs are expected to be completed this year. The Santa Clara, California-based company is also suspending its stock dividend as part of a broader plan to cut costs. Intel reported a loss for its second quarter along with a small revenue decline, and it forecast third-quarter revenues below Wall Street's expectations. The company posted a loss of $1.6 billion, or 38 cents per share, in the April-June period. That's down from a profit of $1.5 billion, or 35 cents per share, a year earlier. Adjusted earnings excluding special items were 2 cents per share. Revenue slid 1% to $12.8 billion from $12.9 billion. Analysts, on average, were expecting earnings of 10 cents per share on revenue of $12.9 billion, according to a poll by FactSet. "Intel's announcement of a significant cost-cutting plan including layoffs may bolster its near-term financials, but this move alone is insufficient to redefine its position in the evolving chip market," said eMarketer analyst Jacob Bourne. "The company faces a critical juncture as it leverages U.S. investment in domestic manufacturing and the surging global demand for AI chips to establish itself in chip fabrication." Helped by Gelsinger's lobbying efforts, Intel has been a major beneficiary of the 2022 CHIPS and Science Act, which the Biden administration helped shepherd through Congress at a time of concerns after the pandemic that the loss of access to chips made in Asia could plunge the U.S. economy into recession. In March, President Joe Biden celebrated an agreement to provide Intel with up to $8.5 billion in direct funding and $11 billion in loans for computer chip plants around the country, talking up the investment in the political battleground state of Arizona and calling it a way of "bringing the future back to America." At the time, Gelsinger called the CHIPS Act "the most critical industrial policy legislation since World War II." In September 2022, Biden praised Intel as a job creator with its plans to open a new plant near Columbus, Ohio. The president praised them for plans to "build a workforce of the future" for the $20 billion project, which he said would generate 7,000 construction jobs and 3,000 full-time jobs set to pay an average of $135,000 a year. Shares plunged more than 20% to $23.82 in after-hours trading, indicating that Intel could lose roughly $24 billion of its market value when the stock market opens Friday. Associated Press Writer Josh Boak contributed from Washington. View Quote Edit GN Video Link Scumbag Intel: Shady Practices, Terrible Responses, & Failure to Act |
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Intel's Biggest Failure in Years: Confirmed Oxidation & Excessive Voltage |
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Nothing but intel at work sadly
that hurts a lot of people. Did they don't test before release? |
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Wow, 25-50% estimated failure rates on some SKUs? Imagine if other everyday items had that kind of failure rate, people would be losing their damn minds.
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Quoted: Wow, 25-50% estimated failure rates on some SKUs? Imagine if other everyday items had that kind of failure rate, people would be losing their damn minds. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Wow, 25-50% estimated failure rates on some SKUs? Imagine if other everyday items had that kind of failure rate, people would be losing their damn minds. And they are apparently denying replacement claims from consumers. Of course, larger purchasers like system integrators and OEM's are getting better CS. Abington Cole + Ellery, a law firm specializing in class actions and intellectual property, has begun investigating the crashing and instability issues plaguing Intel's 13th- and 14th-Generation Core 'Raptor Lake' processors, with the potential of filing a class action lawsuit on behalf of Intel's customers. Intel announced about a week ago that some 13th- and 14th-Generation Core processors can become unstable due to elevated voltages, which a patch due in mid-August should fix. The company promised to respect all RMAs, so all damaged CPUs should be replaced. The issue doesn't just impact the higher-end models Intel says the instability bug also impacts mainstream 65W CPUs. Intel sells its mainstream 65W CPUs in tens of millions of units quantities, so it could be an expensive replacement cycle for Intel if the company honors all replacement requests. This is where things start to get interesting for class action lawyers, who are now trying to determine whether Intel is filling all RMA claims. "Tom's Hardware says 'Intel has pledged to grant RMAs to all impacted customers,' [but] are there any reports that Intel is not actually doing that," asked a lawyer from Abington Cole + Ellery in a Reddit post. "Warranty cases where the manufacturer is honoring the warranty rightly get tossed out of court with ridiculous speed." An Intel customer responded that Intel had honored its RMA. All the owner of an affected CPU had to do was take pictures of the CPU and send them to the company. Once the company is satisfied with the pictures, they contact the owner for credit card information and ship a new CPU before receiving the defective unit. Once the owner gets the new processor, they have to send the bad CPU to Intel, and once the company receives it, it will reverse the charge on the credit card. There is a $25 fee for this advance RMA process, but the company also offered the option to send in the defective CPU first and then get the new one later. For now, it seems Intel is taking care of faulty CPUs without problems. Still, there will inevitably be unhappy customers, and it looks like class action lawyers are prepping to launch a lawsuit against the company if they find enough plaintiffs. If they do and win the case, the judge could order Intel to pay compensation to virtually all owners of Intel's 13th- and 14th-generation Core processors. That's when class action lawyers get their cut a huge one so it isn't surprising to see the firm begin an investigation. |
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Quoted: And they are apparently denying replacement claims from consumers. Of course, larger purchasers like system integrators and OEM's are getting better CS. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Wow, 25-50% estimated failure rates on some SKUs? Imagine if other everyday items had that kind of failure rate, people would be losing their damn minds. And they are apparently denying replacement claims from consumers. Of course, larger purchasers like system integrators and OEM's are getting better CS. dell precision don't have replaceable cpu it's an entire motherboard replacement towers are able to but still |
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Quoted: Nothing but intel at work sadly that hurts a lot of people. Did they don't test before release? View Quote Depending on the levels of contamination/oxidization, it could easily fall within parameters with typical testing. Not sure about modern processors but for legacy semi the endurance/reliability testing is burn-in at max temp and anywhere from a 12hour to 72hour bake. Design engineers can request ES/QS wafers to go through longer bake periods, longest I saw was 30days as part of a FA investigation. The issue is the intermittent contamination/oxidization issue mixed with the over-voltage microcode, adding multiple variables that both can cause physical damage to the silicon is really bad. |
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A friend works for them, feircley loyal. He's ready to walk because management won't listen to the engineering teams.
Sad really, he is a hardcore, dedicated worker and over a few years, everything has gone to shit. He hates it now. |
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Intel's forecast is 'most concerning to me', says Moor Insight's Patrick Moorhead |
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Intel stock sinking on Q2 miss, $10B cost cutting plan |
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I've still been rolling out 12th Gen Intel processors laptops/desktops for my customers.
Sad state of affairs. Intel is like Boeing now. Wtf is happening with our large American companies? |
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Lots of companies are laying off people right now, UKG, Intuit, Bungee, Disney, John Deere, FibroGen, NerdWallet, Moxion Power and now Intel.
It's called Bidenomics. |
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I guess I should add, this isn't just about the 13th/14th gen failures but also IFS as a whole.
High-NA nodes are likely to be delayed another 6-18months, some are saying middle of 2027 or possibly early 2028. Their trailing edge nodes are not ramping like expected due to large customers being wary about their longevity. In most markets, Intel has been losing significant marketshare/revenue to both regular and new competitors. The new revenue streams they have been targeting the last 4-5years have had minimal return and very little growth to their TAM. Edit- This move seems to be to try and stabilize themselves financially until IFS can pick up the slack in 5-6years. If they can execute on their promised roadmaps and win customers to their more advanced node. |
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Intel has had a rough time lately. They sold off their entire NUC program to ASUS last fall and have be plagued with QC issues. Tech companies are very vulnerable to bad management. The industry moves quick and if you make bad decisions at the top you can tank a company quickly.
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Quoted: Well if it's a laptop dell precision don't have replaceable cpu it's an entire motherboard replacement towers are able to but still View Quote Currently they are claiming it isn’t effecting mobile parts. Speculation is that excessive Ring Bus Voltage is degrading the Ring Bus, which is killing the CPU’s pretty quickly as the Ring Bus is how all the separate parts inside the CPU communicate. The higher core count & higher wattage parts are the most affected. The microcode patch they are releasing soon should help but it will cause performance loss, ultimately there is no true software fix because it is a hardware design issue. I think they have one more upcoming design that is potentially effected but all of them after that have redesigned the voltage delivery to avoid overloading the Ring Bus. |
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I read this is to pay for all the defective chips they shipped.
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This will be Boeing soon. Keep hiring those Indian bosses who keep hiring Indian engineers and diversity hires. Because feelings and social justice.
AI is going to shake things up for a while. |
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Quoted: A friend works for them, feircley loyal. He's ready to walk because management won't listen to the engineering teams. Sad really, he is a hardcore, dedicated worker and over a few years, everything has gone to shit. He hates it now. View Quote He should look at the job market before he bails. A lot has changed in the last year. Tech jobs have imploded. I know 4 people personally that got layed off and none of them have been able to find a job, some as long as a year. |
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Wonder how much Pelosi made off this development as it seems she just purchased a pile of Nvidia stock? Inside info perhaps?
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Nancy-Pelosi-Loads-Up-On-More-Nvidia-Shares-Sells-Part-Of-Microsoft-Stake-Before-Q4-Earnings/5-2739977/ |
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Quoted: Quoted: Nothing but intel at work sadly that hurts a lot of people. Did they don't test before release? Just like crowdstrike... Just got back from a customer whose property management system (PMS) had recently been changed from a different PMS provider. Had to call support to get the info to match the settings to the PBX. The automated attendent said there was excessive call volume due to the Crowdstrike issue and then it told me I was 43rd in line for the queue. That's probably close a week of on-hold time to speak to support. |
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2135 |
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Quoted: He should look at the job market before he bails. A lot has changed in the last year. Tech jobs have imploded. I know 4 people personally that got layed off and none of them have been able to find a job, some as long as a year. View Quote |
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In September 2022, Biden praised Intel as a job creator with its plans to open a new plant near Columbus, Ohio. The president praised them for plans to "build a workforce of the future" for the $20 billion project, which he said would generate 7,000 construction jobs and 3,000 full-time jobs set to pay an average of $135,000 a year. Shares plunged more than 20% to $23.82 in after-hours trading, indicating that Intel could lose roughly $24 billion of its market value when the stock market opens Friday. View Quote I've been an AMD man for the last 15-20 years, I assemble my own desktop rigs. |
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Quoted: We need to cheer for both of them. AMD doesnt have any fabs, if I remember correctly. I believe most of their stuff is done by TSMC? A big, US based tech company like Intel that actually builds chips is a serious national asset. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: AMD FTW A big, US based tech company like Intel that actually builds chips is a serious national asset. They are important, and I don't want to see them fail. When they had the upper hand on AMD they treated the consumer market like a cash cow. I remember $1000+ gaming CPU's not that long ago. AMD caught up and has surpassed them in many ways. Intel was forced to send tons of power into their chips to not get left in the dust. |
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Conan visits Intel.
Conan Visits Intel's Headquarters | Late Night with Conan O’Brien |
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Quoted: We need to cheer for both of them. AMD doesnt have any fabs, if I remember correctly. I believe most of their stuff is done by TSMC? A big, US based tech company like Intel that actually builds chips is a serious national asset. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: AMD FTW A big, US based tech company like Intel that actually builds chips is a serious national asset. Agreed. Intel is trying to do the right thing, but has also shot the selfies in the foot many times. |
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Let’s see here. Stay based in California and be perpetually fucked by government taxes and regulations or cut 10% of the workforce? Brilliant.
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"Everything Woke turns to shit!" ~Donald J Trump |
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This reminds me of 0bama and 2012.
Which makes me think things are waaaaaaaaay worse and if the dems orchestrate a way to stay in power, there will be a ton more layoffs coming soon. |
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Quoted: We need to cheer for both of them. AMD doesnt have any fabs, if I remember correctly. I believe most of their stuff is done by TSMC? A big, US based tech company like Intel that actually builds chips is a serious national asset. View Quote This. Intel recently spent tens of $B of dollars to build fab production facilities stateside. |
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A few tens of billions in tax payer money, sinking stock prices and a stormy outlook?
Lay off a few thousand, pay off the board and open that Golden Parachute! |
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More shit to convince me too switch to Apple silicon.
Fucking windows and Linux suck for live audio, and even tthe processors crap out at a high rate now? |
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Real question is will they keep up DEI hires or actually try to make chips?
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