Posted: 10/27/2025 7:26:40 AM EDT
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Does anyone know if there is a way to tell the difference between the two from a x-ray. Our dog has a mass in her abdomen, vet feels a biopsy might rupture it. Plus they do not have a sonogram/ultrasound unit to direct them properly. I have copies of her X-Rays from 4 different directions. Unfortunately for us, the Veterinarian we liked and trusted retired a year ago.. she had just over 40 years experience. The other vets seem decent, but definitely lack the experience our original vet had. |
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They took a neurofibroma the size of a grapefruit out of my chest and they didn't know if it was benign until they gave it to pathology. This, after a full x-ray workup and 2 MRI's. Edited: RIF. |
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Originally Posted By Snert: Does anyone know if there is a way to tell the difference between the two from a x-ray. Our dog has a mass in her abdomen, vet feels a biopsy might rupture it. Plus they do not have a sonogram/ultrasound unit to direct them properly. I have copies of her X-Rays from 4 different directions. Unfortunately for us, the Veterinarian we liked and trusted retired a year ago.. she had just over 40 years experience. The other vets seem decent, but definitely lack the experience our original vet had. No, they can not. You need cells or contents from the mass itself to determine what it is and whether it is benign or malignant. Where does the mass originate (organs, etc)? An abdominal mass is no bueno regardless but the prognosis, ability to aspirate the mass, and potential for surgical removal all depend on the location. -Megatarsal DVM |
"she's not going to think that you've embarked on a secret life of crime... sketchy underworld figures, like gang members, cartel members, INTERPOL fugitives, and the lizard people.
And it's that last part as to why we need a vet. "L_JE"
And it's that last part as to why we need a vet. "L_JE"
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@MagaTarsal, Thank you for the response. Our girl in question is a Rottweiler and just turned 9 in August. If I may ask, I know there are no guarantees. I kind of figured the Biopsy is the only tell all in this situation. However, the vet has said something that day that is haunting me greatly. "It could burst during or after" with the Biopsy. This was just as a we can't guarantee or make promises statement. BUT, It is scaring the ever living hell out of us. This is making us very hesitant. We are searching for a least evasive meens to get a answer. In my squirrel cage brain thought process I am now questioning the risk of the biopsy and am afraid to do it. Have you in the trade seen a situation where the Biopsy caused a rupture to happen during or after. This vet said basically she would internally bleed to death. Not pleasant at all. |
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Originally Posted By Snert: @MagaTarsal, Thank you for the response. Our girl in question is a Rottweiler and just turned 9 in August. If I may ask, I know there are no guarantees. I kind of figured the Biopsy is the only tell all in this situation. However, the vet has said something that day that is haunting me greatly. "It could burst during or after" with the Biopsy. This was just as a we can't guarantee or make promises statement. BUT, It is scaring the ever living hell out of us. This is making us very hesitant. We are searching for a least evasive meens to get a answer. In my squirrel cage brain thought process I am now questioning the risk of the biopsy and am afraid to do it. Have you in the trade seen a situation where the Biopsy caused a rupture to happen during or after. This vet said basically she would internally bleed to death. Not pleasant at all. Its very rare for a mass to "burst" when aspirated; they aren't typically so taught that inserting a needle will cause it to rupture. Given the breed, age, and comments from your vet I would suspect it's likely a splenic (spleen) or liver mass. Removing the spleen (splenectomy) is very common and has a good prognosis in a stable, healthy patient especially if it is a benign growth. That said, i don't have nearly enough information to give you much more advice other than I would recommend a second opinion to determine if it may be malignant, get an ultrasound, and consider surgery (if practicality and budget permit). To answer your questions; I have never seen an ultrasound guided aspirate (I would not insert a needle into the abdominal cavity without an ultrsasound) cause a mass to rupture. If surgery has not been discussed then I would talk about that or get a second opinion. You want what is best for your pet and if your current vet is unable to offer potential solutions then they should at least feel comfortable offering you a good referral/second opinion/further workup. |
"she's not going to think that you've embarked on a secret life of crime... sketchy underworld figures, like gang members, cartel members, INTERPOL fugitives, and the lizard people.
And it's that last part as to why we need a vet. "L_JE"
And it's that last part as to why we need a vet. "L_JE"
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Bloodwork Attached File Attached File When they did the bloodwork labs in house, they said it showed infection. They first said it seemed like pancreatitis. Then they said her belly felt a bit hard and asked if she may have ate anything she shouldn't have. And suggested a X-ray to make sure there was no blockage. With the results of the x-rays, I was drained of every ounce of energy and emotion... |
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I hate it for you, OP. I definitely feel for you. I just found out that one of mine has growths on his liver and spleen. The oncologist was hesitant to get a sample. She mentioned a small chance that it could induce bleeding that would be hard to stop, and the sample might not be worth a darn (things are cavitated or something). She also said that things look malignant, and he doesn't have long if she's right (1-2 mo). It's killing me. Sorry to hijack your thread. I may start my own. If any vet wants to chime in and give their 2 cents, then I'd appreciate it. Hope your girl is okay, OP. |
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Well folks here is a over due update.. She is doing well and she gets her staples and stitches out today.. the day before Thanksgiving! So we did a lot of calling around to multiple veterinary offices im 3 different states. We found one that was able to get her in for a ultrasound. The doctor said the mass was attached to her spleen. The spleen with mass can be removed and if the mass was benign she should recover and live a full happy life. We opted for the surgery. They removed her spleen with the mass and sent it to a lab for biopsy. The biopsy came back, the spleen and the mass were tested and found NO Cancer at all. The mass was a hematoma that was against the abdominal cavity wall. Thankfully for its location because at some point a week or so before surgery the doctor said it did rupture. The rupture was where the mass was pressed against the abdominal wall which acted like putting pressure on a wound. That slowed the bleeding which allowed it to per say clot/seal to prevent bleeding out. The recovery has been mostly trouble free, probably more nerve wrecking for me then our pup. She did have a mild bad reaction to the antibiotics they prescribed. That was fixed with a different antibiotic prescribed. My family has been on a roller-coaster ride of emotions. We are extremely thankful for all input given here. And for a member here who mentioned a few things and we followed up on the things mentioned. This put us on the correct path for our pup. With all of this we also found a new veterinary office to switch to. Our original veterinary we have used for almost 30 years is not the same since the doctor we liked has retired. The new younger vets in our opinion made many mistakes. From finding the mass, and telling us to either put her down or make her comfortable via meds until she passes. No other options, just pushed to put her down, this was mistake number one. No other tests were done or offered, just death that's it. Mistake number two, they did not have the equipment (ultrasound) to do a biopsy. They then said if they were to try to do a biopsy that the mass could rupture and she would bleed out. This basically instilled a fear of trying to do a biopsy to see if mass was cancer. Mistake number three, 3 days after finding the mass is called to ask about the least evasive way to check for cancer. I asked if there is any test to check for Cancer markers by bloodwork. Since prior the mentioned a biopsy could cause a rupture and death, this was a thought to try. They said they do have a lab that sent them a few test kits a week prior to her diagnosis. They NEVER mentioned this on Friday when the mass was found. Being they had the test, said they could not take a biopsy sample this was a option. Why the hell it was not mentioned the day it was found was in our opinion a mistake. Mistake number four and final straw. They called to see how she was doing and I informed them of the ultrasound results. And we decided to have the surgery to remove her spleen and the mass. They said we can do that surgery but we are not equipped to do a transfusion or have the blood supply. Ok so, you say can do the surgery but if things cause a bad bleed there is nothing you can do to save her. Why in the hell would you then offer to do the surgery A few days ago we had her records transfered to the veterinary office that did the surgery. And going forward will be dealing with them exclusively. Lastly, a Huge THANK YOU from our family to MagaTarsal. Will post with some updates in a week or two of her recovery at a month post op. Post Surgery spoiled Queen of the castle with staples (30) and stitches (12) relaxing. Attached File |
| Fingers crossed for your girl, OP and thanks for the update. Please keep us updated. Your last post helped me mentally since I'm in a similar boat. Mine got some more tests yesterday and I may opt for the biopsy. I have the same reservations about that as you did. Unfortunately for my boy, he has stuff on his liver, which can't be removed, but could be benign. Thanks for reading. |
"Positive rights" are neither.
Busy leaving people the F alone.
Busy leaving people the F alone.
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Originally Posted By Snert: Well folks here is a over due update.. She is doing well and she gets her staples and stitches out today.. the day before Thanksgiving! So we did a lot of calling around to multiple veterinary offices im 3 different states. We found one that was able to get her in for a ultrasound. The doctor said the mass was attached to her spleen. The spleen with mass can be removed and if the mass was benign she should recover and live a full happy life. We opted for the surgery. They removed her spleen with the mass and sent it to a lab for biopsy. The biopsy came back, the spleen and the mass were tested and found NO Cancer at all. The mass was a hematoma that was against the abdominal cavity wall. Thankfully for its location because at some point a week or so before surgery the doctor said it did rupture. The rupture was where the mass was pressed against the abdominal wall which acted like putting pressure on a wound. That slowed the bleeding which allowed it to per say clot/seal to prevent bleeding out. The recovery has been mostly trouble free, probably more nerve wrecking for me then our pup. She did have a mild bad reaction to the antibiotics they prescribed. That was fixed with a different antibiotic prescribed. My family has been on a roller-coaster ride of emotions. We are extremely thankful for all input given here. And for a member here who mentioned a few things and we followed up on the things mentioned. This put us on the correct path for our pup. With all of this we also found a new veterinary office to switch to. Our original veterinary we have used for almost 30 years is not the same since the doctor we liked has retired. The new younger vets in our opinion made many mistakes. From finding the mass, and telling us to either put her down or make her comfortable via meds until she passes. No other options, just pushed to put her down, this was mistake number one. No other tests were done or offered, just death that's it. Mistake number two, they did not have the equipment (ultrasound) to do a biopsy. They then said if they were to try to do a biopsy that the mass could rupture and she would bleed out. This basically instilled a fear of trying to do a biopsy to see if mass was cancer. Mistake number three, 3 days after finding the mass is called to ask about the least evasive way to check for cancer. I asked if there is any test to check for Cancer markers by bloodwork. Since prior the mentioned a biopsy could cause a rupture and death, this was a thought to try. They said they do have a lab that sent them a few test kits a week prior to her diagnosis. They NEVER mentioned this on Friday when the mass was found. Being they had the test, said they could not take a biopsy sample this was a option. Why the hell it was not mentioned the day it was found was in our opinion a mistake. Mistake number four and final straw. They called to see how she was doing and I informed them of the ultrasound results. And we decided to have the surgery to remove her spleen and the mass. They said we can do that surgery but we are not equipped to do a transfusion or have the blood supply. Ok so, you say can do the surgery but if things cause a bad bleed there is nothing you can do to save her. Why in the hell would you then offer to do the surgery A few days ago we had her records transfered to the veterinary office that did the surgery. And going forward will be dealing with them exclusively. Lastly, a Huge THANK YOU from our family to MagaTarsal. Will post with some updates in a week or two of her recovery at a month post op. Post Surgery spoiled Queen of the castle with staples (30) and stitches (12) relaxing. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/159169/3843_jpg-3665617.JPG Great to see and hear; thanks for the shout out! |
"she's not going to think that you've embarked on a secret life of crime... sketchy underworld figures, like gang members, cartel members, INTERPOL fugitives, and the lizard people.
And it's that last part as to why we need a vet. "L_JE"
And it's that last part as to why we need a vet. "L_JE"