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If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel
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Originally Posted By SoCalExile:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9jjQSEWcAAye0X?format=jpg&name=900x900 View Quote Just wait until we witness the new and improved democrat voting fraud for 2024 |
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"We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared so we may always be free." Ronald Reagan 1984
"Mitch the democrat bitch" "democrat voter fraud works and it makes Republicans look stupid" |
Originally Posted By PoiDog: Zero the Hero is the perfect name for this mutt. Zero ability, zero talent, zero class, and zero care for the country. He was the worst president we've ever had, even making the peanut farmer look good. And then, Biden comes mumbling and stumbling along. If there was a trophy for worst president ever, it would be retired in favor of Biden. Zero is most definitely a POS though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PoiDog: Originally Posted By azjeeper: He's an absolute POS at the very least. Zero the Hero is the perfect name for this mutt. Zero ability, zero talent, zero class, and zero care for the country. He was the worst president we've ever had, even making the peanut farmer look good. And then, Biden comes mumbling and stumbling along. If there was a trophy for worst president ever, it would be retired in favor of Biden. Zero is most definitely a POS though. So far, Buchanan has that trophy wrapped up. However, Slow Joe is still in office, so there is time for him to win! |
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Israel-Hamas War Day 30 | Abbas to Blinken: PA Willing to Take Control Over Gaza as Part of Diplomatic Solution Nov 5, 2023
Israeli army says 29 soldiers, officers killed in ongoing ground offensive ■ Blinken meets Abbas in Ramallah after saying U.S., Arab states agree Hamas-controlled status quo in Gaza cannot continue ■ One wounded after missile fired from Lebanon hits northern Israel ■ Hamas: Over 60 hostages missing due to Israeli airstrikes on Gaza ■ 242 hostages held in Gaza, 40 remain missing ■ At least 1,300 civilians and soldiers killed in Hamas massacre ■ Hamas' Health Ministry: Over 9,000 killed in Gaza Abbas after Blinken meeting: Palestinian Authority willing to take responsibility for Gaza as part of comprehensive political solution Blinken tells Abbas U.S. committed to getting aid into Gaza and restoring essential services there in West Bank visit Israeli army releases name of additional soldier killed in Gaza fighting Egyptian sources: Gaza evacuation suspended after Israeli strike on ambulances Qatar's Foreign Ministry spokesperson says any hostage release requires a 'period of calm' Palestinian Health Ministry: 3 Palestinians killed in clashes in West Bank village of Abu Dis Israeli army: We struck more than 2,500 targets since start of Gaza ground operation View Quote |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
Pretty good video except for showing a Euro Fighter when talking about the F-16
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"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it."
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Originally Posted By firemed13: DOG will hunt!! That made my day way better!! The Oketz unit is amazing and they train the hell out of those dogs and they have saved a lot of the IDFs soldiers lives. Good Dog!!! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By firemed13: Originally Posted By Dave_Markowitz: Good boy!
DOG will hunt!! That made my day way better!! The Oketz unit is amazing and they train the hell out of those dogs and they have saved a lot of the IDFs soldiers lives. Good Dog!!! Would mad boars do a better job by adding the psychological effect of being killed (and possibly partly eaten) by a pig? |
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Originally Posted By grambosc: The only thing better would be armored feral hogs loaded up on amphetamines and viagra and sent into those tunnels with cameras. Attached File View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By grambosc: Originally Posted By Dave_Markowitz: Good boy!
The only thing better would be armored feral hogs loaded up on amphetamines and viagra and sent into those tunnels with cameras. Attached File That's more like it. |
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Originally Posted By Eroic: If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel View Quote Attached File |
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To the person who bought my membership, Thank you.
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Originally Posted By Rossi: That's more like it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rossi: Originally Posted By grambosc: Originally Posted By Dave_Markowitz: Good boy!
The only thing better would be armored feral hogs loaded up on amphetamines and viagra and sent into those tunnels with cameras. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481717/E2D32CEF-BE0E-4F09-8210-A0C80064176A_jpe-3015592.JPG That's more like it. This IS the way. |
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when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness
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View Quote Such an amazing aircraft. Loved watching these as a kid at Elsworth. |
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Originally Posted By texashomeserver:
View Quote ISF: Israel Space Force. |
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"You're no daisy! You're no daisy at all. Poor soul, you were just too high strung."
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Originally Posted By michigan66: Sunday Times (London): Has Israel set itself an impossible military task? Michael Clarke, visiting professor of defence studies at King’s College London, on the challenges faced by trying to destroy Hamas Highpoints: Article: Click To View Spoiler MICHAEL CLARKE | ANALYSI Has Israel set itself an impossible military task? Israel’s military objective in the Gaza war, constantly repeated by its politicians and commanders, has become a national mantra: “Hamas must be destroyed.” A similar loud insistence by Cato the Elder to the Roman Republic that “Carthage must be destroyed” drove all before it, until, in 146BC it finally, and dreadfully, was. Carthage was defeated for the third time, its city torn down, its population murdered, the site itself ritually cursed. But the annihilation of Carthage immediately overstretched Rome in the Mediterranean and, just 12 years later, a century of domestic crisis commenced that ended the republic for ever. So can Israel destroy Hamas without inflicting a comparable fate on Gaza — or creating a terminal crisis for itself in the aftermath? Israel can certainly defeat Hamas, but destroying it will be a different matter, and that challenge is likely to increase as Israel’s campaign goes on. The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) went into this operation with more than half a million mobilised regulars and reservists — against Hamas’s 30,000-50,000 armed men. The IDF can easily build up to a ratio of five or six to one against Hamas across Gaza, even with troops occupied on other fronts. Supported by one of the most capable small air forces in the world, the IDF has an arsenal of the best home-produced and US-supplied equipment anywhere. Israel’s military has its own vulnerabilities, of course, but none that should prevent it from prevailing over Hamas, regardless of its adversary’s tunnels, attack drones and booby traps. It is not yet clear whether Hamas units are choosing to fight all-out against the advancing IDF, or merely trying to hamper its progress while they seek to escape southwards. But if Hamas decides to go toe-to-toe with the IDF, even in Gaza’s densely urban environment, it will only end one way. A trap for Israel? Israeli commanders acknowledge it will be a difficult campaign and could entail heavy IDF losses, but they sounded confident this week that the operation was going to plan. The preliminary bombing of phase one — more than 11,000 targets hit — was followed by the “break-in” phase two. Phase three is designed to capitalise on earlier gains, cutting across the Wadi Gaza coastal wetlands in the centre of the strip to isolate the northern half of the territory. That demarcates a battle zone in the north and the IDF are moving from all sides to surround Gaza City within it, simultaneously attacking what they believe are command bunkers and key tunnels in nearby Jabalia — refugee camp and all. They have taken control of segments of the Salah al-Din highway that runs up the middle of the strip, from the Rafah crossing in the south to the Erez crossing in the north. Controlling this road just south of Gaza City gives the IDF an ability to monitor civilian movement and hamper Hamas attempts to escape. The IDF, however, are moving carefully to avoid being suckered into Hamas traps, and they are wary in case Hamas intends to fight all-out only inside Gaza City. It will be at least another week before we, and the IDF, can be sure it has not been lured into an urban killing ground inside the city. For now, the IDF appears to be going for key points as its forces converge from different directions, occupying them securely before moving outwards to unite one strong point with another. They seal the Hamas tunnels as they encounter them, leaving them for the specialists. The Israeli air force bombs and strafes ahead of the ground troops in a closely combined air-ground operation, while naval vessels off the Gazan coast offer artillery support. At the end of this phase of the campaign, however long it may take, it is likely the IDF will occupy all the territory — at least above ground — from the Erez crossing in the north to the Wadi Gaza, including Gaza City. But occupying half of Hamas’s territory will still leave the job less than half done. From this point onwards, the IDF’s campaign will face challenges that are unique in modern urban warfare and counterinsurgency. Many allude to previous allied operations as comparable examples: the fight to retake the Iraqi city of Mosul from Isis in 2016-17; US operations in Fallujah in 2004 amid the Iraq War; or Israel’s incursion into the Jenin refugee camp in 2003. But their applicability is limited, considering what the IDF will face when it has taken the north. No escape As modern battlefields go, the entire 360 sq km of the Gaza Strip makes it pretty small, and yet 2.3 million people are trapped inside it with no possibility of escape. No examples in modern history — not Mosul, Fallujah, Mariupol in Ukraine, nor Grozny in Chechnya, Kandahar in Afghanistan, Saigon in Vietnam or Phnom Penh in Cambodia — offer cases of a battlefield where civilians had so little chance to get away, if they chose, before the onslaught of a superior military power. Even Berlin in 1945 gave German civilians some opportunity to escape westwards and throw themselves on the mercy of US and British forces rather than face the advancing Russians. The Palestinians of Gaza have no comparable opportunity, and since more than half the population of the north has moved beyond Wadi Gaza, Israel will have to face its southern battlefield with a population of about 1.8 million in a density approaching 10,000 people per square kilometre. That’s comparable with the population density of central London, in an area about half the size — say from the Thames up to the North Circular Road. To “destroy Hamas” amid a compacted and already severely distressed civilian population will require some unique thinking. In these circumstances most ancient-world leaders would have resorted to a straight massacre. But modern military commanders will have to develop some new approaches to urban warfare and counterinsurgency if they are to “destroy” Hamas amid this population. For the time being, Hezbollah’s leader, Hassan Nasrallah, is holding his organisation back from direct confrontation with Israel. But this may not last and Nasrallah may not be in full control of his forces. This window of restraint may close soon, so if Hamas has to be destroyed, then it has to be destroyed quickly. If Hamas survives in any tangible form, then it wins, and has a good chance of witnessing the wider anti-Israeli war it probably hoped to provoke when it launched its attack. The one respect in which this war is completely traditional is in its tendency to throw up unexpected consequences, setting off trains of political events it will find difficult to control. The most important strategic decision any government takes is the first one. Israel has taken it, and the wider consequences will play out as they will. The second critical strategic decision will be taken when Israel looks at southern Gaza. The IDF will either have to reformulate its “Hamas must be destroyed” objective, or think of ways of achieving it that gets Israel off the road on which Cato the Elder set Rome: defence through annihilation. Michael Clarke is visiting professor of defence studies at King’s College London View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By michigan66: Sunday Times (London): Has Israel set itself an impossible military task? Michael Clarke, visiting professor of defence studies at King’s College London, on the challenges faced by trying to destroy Hamas Highpoints: Israel can certainly defeat Hamas, but destroying it will be a different matter, and that challenge is likely to increase as Israel’s campaign goes on. Israel’s military has its own vulnerabilities, of course, but none that should prevent it from prevailing over Hamas. If Hamas decides to go toe-to-toe with the IDF, even in Gaza’s densely urban environment, it will only end one way. The preliminary bombing of phase one — more than 11,000 targets hit — was followed by the “break-in” phase two. Phase three is designed to capitalise on earlier gains, cutting across the Wadi Gaza coastal wetlands in the centre of the strip to isolate the northern half of the territory. The IDF, however, are moving carefully to avoid being suckered into Hamas traps, and they are wary in case Hamas intends to fight all-out only inside Gaza City. It will be at least another week before we, and the IDF, can be sure it has not been lured into an urban killing ground. At the end of this phase of the campaign, however long it may take, it is likely the IDF will occupy all the territory — at least above ground — from the Erez crossing in the north to the Wadi Gaza, including Gaza City. But occupying half of Hamas’s territory will still leave the job less than half done. From this point onwards, the IDF’s campaign will face challenges that are unique in modern urban warfare and counterinsurgency. The entire 360 sq km of the Gaza Strip makes it pretty small, and yet 2.3 million people are trapped inside it with no possibility of escape. No examples in modern history — not Mosul, Fallujah, Mariupol in Ukraine, nor Grozny in Chechnya, Kandahar in Afghanistan, Saigon in Vietnam or Phnom Penh in Cambodia — offer cases of a battlefield where civilians had so little chance to get away, if they chose, before the onslaught of a superior military power. The Palestinians of Gaza have no opportunity to escape. Israel will have to face its southern battlefield with a population of about 1.8 million in a density approaching 10,000 people per square kilometre. That’s comparable with the population density of central London, in an area about half the size. To “destroy Hamas” amid a compacted and already severely distressed civilian population will require some unique thinking. In these circumstances most ancient-world leaders would have resorted to a straight massacre. But modern military commanders will have to develop some new approaches to urban warfare and counterinsurgency if they are to “destroy” Hamas amid this population. The one respect in which this war is completely traditional is in its tendency to throw up unexpected consequences, setting off trains of political events it will find difficult to control. Article: Click To View Spoiler MICHAEL CLARKE | ANALYSI Has Israel set itself an impossible military task? Israel’s military objective in the Gaza war, constantly repeated by its politicians and commanders, has become a national mantra: “Hamas must be destroyed.” A similar loud insistence by Cato the Elder to the Roman Republic that “Carthage must be destroyed” drove all before it, until, in 146BC it finally, and dreadfully, was. Carthage was defeated for the third time, its city torn down, its population murdered, the site itself ritually cursed. But the annihilation of Carthage immediately overstretched Rome in the Mediterranean and, just 12 years later, a century of domestic crisis commenced that ended the republic for ever. So can Israel destroy Hamas without inflicting a comparable fate on Gaza — or creating a terminal crisis for itself in the aftermath? Israel can certainly defeat Hamas, but destroying it will be a different matter, and that challenge is likely to increase as Israel’s campaign goes on. The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) went into this operation with more than half a million mobilised regulars and reservists — against Hamas’s 30,000-50,000 armed men. The IDF can easily build up to a ratio of five or six to one against Hamas across Gaza, even with troops occupied on other fronts. Supported by one of the most capable small air forces in the world, the IDF has an arsenal of the best home-produced and US-supplied equipment anywhere. Israel’s military has its own vulnerabilities, of course, but none that should prevent it from prevailing over Hamas, regardless of its adversary’s tunnels, attack drones and booby traps. It is not yet clear whether Hamas units are choosing to fight all-out against the advancing IDF, or merely trying to hamper its progress while they seek to escape southwards. But if Hamas decides to go toe-to-toe with the IDF, even in Gaza’s densely urban environment, it will only end one way. A trap for Israel? Israeli commanders acknowledge it will be a difficult campaign and could entail heavy IDF losses, but they sounded confident this week that the operation was going to plan. The preliminary bombing of phase one — more than 11,000 targets hit — was followed by the “break-in” phase two. Phase three is designed to capitalise on earlier gains, cutting across the Wadi Gaza coastal wetlands in the centre of the strip to isolate the northern half of the territory. That demarcates a battle zone in the north and the IDF are moving from all sides to surround Gaza City within it, simultaneously attacking what they believe are command bunkers and key tunnels in nearby Jabalia — refugee camp and all. They have taken control of segments of the Salah al-Din highway that runs up the middle of the strip, from the Rafah crossing in the south to the Erez crossing in the north. Controlling this road just south of Gaza City gives the IDF an ability to monitor civilian movement and hamper Hamas attempts to escape. The IDF, however, are moving carefully to avoid being suckered into Hamas traps, and they are wary in case Hamas intends to fight all-out only inside Gaza City. It will be at least another week before we, and the IDF, can be sure it has not been lured into an urban killing ground inside the city. For now, the IDF appears to be going for key points as its forces converge from different directions, occupying them securely before moving outwards to unite one strong point with another. They seal the Hamas tunnels as they encounter them, leaving them for the specialists. The Israeli air force bombs and strafes ahead of the ground troops in a closely combined air-ground operation, while naval vessels off the Gazan coast offer artillery support. At the end of this phase of the campaign, however long it may take, it is likely the IDF will occupy all the territory — at least above ground — from the Erez crossing in the north to the Wadi Gaza, including Gaza City. But occupying half of Hamas’s territory will still leave the job less than half done. From this point onwards, the IDF’s campaign will face challenges that are unique in modern urban warfare and counterinsurgency. Many allude to previous allied operations as comparable examples: the fight to retake the Iraqi city of Mosul from Isis in 2016-17; US operations in Fallujah in 2004 amid the Iraq War; or Israel’s incursion into the Jenin refugee camp in 2003. But their applicability is limited, considering what the IDF will face when it has taken the north. No escape As modern battlefields go, the entire 360 sq km of the Gaza Strip makes it pretty small, and yet 2.3 million people are trapped inside it with no possibility of escape. No examples in modern history — not Mosul, Fallujah, Mariupol in Ukraine, nor Grozny in Chechnya, Kandahar in Afghanistan, Saigon in Vietnam or Phnom Penh in Cambodia — offer cases of a battlefield where civilians had so little chance to get away, if they chose, before the onslaught of a superior military power. Even Berlin in 1945 gave German civilians some opportunity to escape westwards and throw themselves on the mercy of US and British forces rather than face the advancing Russians. The Palestinians of Gaza have no comparable opportunity, and since more than half the population of the north has moved beyond Wadi Gaza, Israel will have to face its southern battlefield with a population of about 1.8 million in a density approaching 10,000 people per square kilometre. That’s comparable with the population density of central London, in an area about half the size — say from the Thames up to the North Circular Road. To “destroy Hamas” amid a compacted and already severely distressed civilian population will require some unique thinking. In these circumstances most ancient-world leaders would have resorted to a straight massacre. But modern military commanders will have to develop some new approaches to urban warfare and counterinsurgency if they are to “destroy” Hamas amid this population. For the time being, Hezbollah’s leader, Hassan Nasrallah, is holding his organisation back from direct confrontation with Israel. But this may not last and Nasrallah may not be in full control of his forces. This window of restraint may close soon, so if Hamas has to be destroyed, then it has to be destroyed quickly. If Hamas survives in any tangible form, then it wins, and has a good chance of witnessing the wider anti-Israeli war it probably hoped to provoke when it launched its attack. The one respect in which this war is completely traditional is in its tendency to throw up unexpected consequences, setting off trains of political events it will find difficult to control. The most important strategic decision any government takes is the first one. Israel has taken it, and the wider consequences will play out as they will. The second critical strategic decision will be taken when Israel looks at southern Gaza. The IDF will either have to reformulate its “Hamas must be destroyed” objective, or think of ways of achieving it that gets Israel off the road on which Cato the Elder set Rome: defence through annihilation. Michael Clarke is visiting professor of defence studies at King’s College London Professor Michael Clarke is one of my favorite military analysts; an intellectual giant in battlefield and strategic analysis from what I can tell. I used to watch him as a guest on Sky News and his observations of the Russian-Ukraine War seemed absolutely spot-on. He seemed to know more about what the Russians were doing that the Russians did, and I don’t say that in jest. I would encourage everyone in this thread to take 5 minutes and read his comments. |
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I require alcohol, red meat, hot naked women, and large quantities of small arms and ammo. My other hobbies are soft, furry bunny rabbits, pretty butterflies, and balloons in pastel colors.
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Pretty good video except for showing a Euro Fighter when talking about the F-16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MQs43cnBss View Quote The video says that the Ford has F16 and A-10s on board. Is this correct? it also says a B-21 can take off from the Ford. ????? |
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"You're no daisy! You're no daisy at all. Poor soul, you were just too high strung."
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Originally Posted By Chaingun: Oh, they will still be voting democrat, multiple times over Just wait until we witness the new and improved democrat voting fraud for 2024 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By SoCalExile:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9jjQSEWcAAye0X?format=jpg&name=900x900 Just wait until we witness the new and improved democrat voting fraud for 2024 Oh they will still vote democrat but not for any candidate that could win nationally. I hope this war weakens the dems hugely. |
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Despite Israel's Fierce Attacks, Hamas Leadership Maintains Control Over Gaza--Amos Harel, Haaretz
Highlights: Friday’s speech by Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah promised more than it delivered. He drew some red lines but he did not state exactly what he intends to do. It all suggests that like his Iranian patrons, Nasrallah is willing to fight Israel to the last drop of Palestinian blood. Key things to keep in mind re: Hezbollah. A miscalculation cannot be ruled out. Hezbollah could intensify its attacks further into Galilee, causing the IDF to respond in kind in Lebanon, at which point things could get out of control. Nasrallah’s remarks could be designed to conceal a surprise attack. After October 7 one should be cautious in reading the enemy’s intentions. Intelligence agencies, to their credit, are more modest in their assessments than they were before the war. IDF Chief of Staff said, referring to the northern front, that the Israel Air Force has not yet deployed most of its capabilities in this war. Fierce battles between the IDF and Hamas continue after Gaza City was in effect surrounded. The IDF is using a “shredding” tactic, progressing slowly and systematically, accompanied by immense amounts of firepower, including from the air. The airstrikes often last just minutes, in accordance with the demands of the ground forces and with little margin for error. The IDF is employing, for the first time on such a large scale, an ability to rapidly integrate intelligence, technology and firepower. One of the vulnerable aspects still concerns the ability to kill many Hamas fighters in ground battles. Some officers believe that reports of hundreds of dead terrorists are not sufficiently confirmed. Commanders and reservists who participated in previous operations in the Gaza Strip say there is no comparison between the intensity and destruction this time and that of previous rounds of fighting. In Beit Hanoun, where reserve forces are operating, there are entire neighborhoods that have been completely flattened. Hamas is not attempting to block the movement of IDF forces. The organization is relying on its defensive tunnel network, sending its fighters up through shafts to launch anti-tank missiles and to deploy explosive charges close to IDF armored vehicles; they are also employing attack drones.flattened The IDF has introduced large forces into the northern Strip, moving in large numbers of armored vehicles. This, in a war against guerilla forces hiding underground, provides the enemy many targets. Many of the confrontations are at the initiative of Hamas forces. For now, despite pressure exerted by the IDF, there is no apparent significant effect on Hamas command and control, which continues to function. U.S. patience with IDF operations in the Gaza Strip is waning, given the prolongation of the fighting. The Washington Post reported that there is a Hamas proposal to release all civilian hostages (but not soldiers) in exchange for a five-day ceasefire. Even if Israel agreed to ceasefire the more the IDF penetrates urban areas, the harder it will be to halt fire since the army will be in close proximity to Hamas fighters, and that would endanger IDF forces. The Defense Minister Yoav Gallant senior IDF commanders expect to have a period of months in order to defeat Hamas. A ceasefire for hostages deal may put pressure on Israel to permanently stop ground operations View Quote Entire Article: Click To View Spoiler From the perspective of Hamas, it seems Friday’s speech by Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah promised more than it delivered. After building tension and anticipation for more than a week, Nasrallah sounded pressured and apologetic and looked unwell. The October 7 Hamas attack, he said, was 100-percent Palestinian. Hezbollah did not know about it in advance and was surprised by it. Along with praise for the achievement of Hamas (which slaughtered innocent civilians), Nasrallah claimed that Hezbollah has been engaged in warfare with Israel since October 8. The Shi’ite organization has fired rockets and anti-tank missiles into Israel from Lebanon, killing six soldiers and one civilian. It has lost dozens of fighters in battles with the Israel Defense Forces, pinned down Israeli reserve forces along the border to protect the north and causing the evacuation of large numbers of civilians from border communities. Nasrallah implied that Hezbollah may intensify its attacks (there were several incidents along the border Saturday). While he drew some red lines – Hezbollah will not allow the collapse of Hamas rule in the Gaza Strip and will respond to the killing of Lebanese civilians by killing Israeli civilians – he did not state exactly what he intends to do. It all suggests that like his Iranian patrons, Nasrallah is willing to fight Israel to the last drop of Palestinian blood. Israeli and U.S. intelligence believe that policy on this matter is decided jointly by Tehran and Beirut, and that since the U.S. assassination in 2020 of Qassem Soleimani, the head of the Revolutionary Guards’ Quds Force, Nasrallah has been very influential in setting policy for the radical anti-Israel axis. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, last week.Credit: Hadas Parush Regarding moderating factors, Beirut and Tehran may be taking into consideration the U.S. military presence in the area, the high state of alert of IDF forces in the north and the risk that a regional war would lead to the destruction of civilian infrastructure in Lebanon and much of Hezbollah’s military capabilities. In this regard it is worth noting IDF Chief of Staff Herzl Halevi’s statement, in a remark referring to the northern front, that the Israel Air Force has not yet deployed most of its capabilities in this war. Three vital warnings are needed here: One, a scenario of miscalculation cannot be ruled out. Hezbollah could intensify its attacks further into Galilee, causing the IDF to respond in kind in Lebanon, at which point things could get out of control. Prof. Shimon Shapira, an expert on Hezbollah, told Haaretz that Nasrallah said that the possibility of the Lebanon front sliding into full-fledged war was real. The main headline in Iran’s most important newspaper, Kayhan, declared that Hezbollah considered all options to be open. Two, Nasrallah’s remarks could be designed to conceal a surprise attack (although the IDF is better prepared for such an eventuality). Three, after October 7 one should be cautious in reading the enemy’s intentions. Intelligence agencies, to their credit, are more modest in their assessments than they were before the war. Fierce fighting In the Gaza Strip, fierce battles between the IDF and Hamas continue after Gaza City was in effect surrounded. The IDF is using a “shredding” tactic, progressing slowly and systematically, accompanied by immense amounts of firepower, including from the air. The airstrikes often last just minutes, in accordance with the demands of the ground forces and with little margin for error. The IDF is employing, for the first time on such a large scale, an ability to rapidly integrate intelligence, technology and firepower. One of the vulnerable aspects still concerns the ability to kill many Hamas fighters in ground battles. Some officers believe that reports of hundreds of dead terrorists are not sufficiently confirmed. This is a well-known trap when fighting in built-up areas, and Israel should be wary of focusing on exaggerated body counts, such as happened to the Americans during the Vietnam War. The difficulty lies, among other factors, in the definition of the mission. The government and IDF described it as the destruction of Hamas rule, denying it its military capabilities. This is a goal with a path that is not entirely clear, which almost invites the counting of enemy bodies. Commanders and reservists who participated in previous operations in the Gaza Strip say there is no comparison between the intensity and destruction this time and that of previous rounds of fighting. In Beit Hanoun, where reserve forces are operating, there are entire neighborhoods that have been completely flattened during the battles there. Haaretz military correspondent Yaniv Kubovich joined the forces operating in the southern part of Gaza City for a few hours on Friday and was impressed by the intensity of the firepower being used, by the resolve of the combatants and by the high professional standards of commanders on the ground. The IDF is in real war mode, and is not conducting only a limited operation. This involves casualties on our side, given the intensity of the fighting. Hamas, as was assessed in advance, is almost not attempting to block the movement of IDF forces. The organization is relying on its defensive tunnel network, sending its fighters up through shafts to launch anti-tank missiles and to deploy explosive charges close to IDF armored vehicles. Hamas is also employing attack drones. This may lead to several problems. The IDF has introduced large forces into the northern Strip, moving in large numbers of armored vehicles. This, in a war against guerilla forces hiding underground, provides the enemy many targets. Many of the confrontations are at the initiative of Hamas forces. When a ground force identifies an enemy nearby, it usually quickly calls in the air force to neutralize it, but there are costs to our side as well. For now, despite pressure exerted by the IDF, there is no apparent significant effect on Hamas command and control, which continues to function. At the same time, the focus must be the demolition of defensive tunnels. Some of these were dug not very deeply and can be destroyed from the air with no great difficulty. This depends mainly on the quality of intelligence provided by Military Intelligence and the Shin Bet security service. U.S. calls for a pause While Nasrallah was speaking in Beirut, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken was holding a news conference in Tel Aviv. On his third visit here since the war began, and on his way to a summit meeting with Arab foreign ministers in Amman, Blinken seemed more sensitive to the suffering of Israelis living near the Gaza border than do some of Israel’s official spokesmen. However, between the lines, one can sense that U.S. patience with IDF operations in the Gaza Strip is waning, given the prolongation of the fighting. Blinken called on Israel to allow increased aid to reach Gaza, warning of a humanitarian disaster there. He noted that pauses in the fighting would help the efforts to release Israeli hostages. His Israeli interlocutors opposed any cease-fire that excluded the release of all hostages, clarifying that the military operation continues in full strength and that no fuel would be allowed into Gaza. The Washington Post reported, based on diplomatic sources who sound suspiciously like Blinken himself, that there is a Hamas proposal to release all civilian hostages (but not soldiers) in exchange for a five-day ceasefire. Israeli officials are not relating to this proposal publicly. Given the growing public protest around the hostage issue (with families announcing Saturday they were setting up camp outside the Kirya, defense headquarters in Tel Aviv), an open Hamas proposal such as this could cause sharp internal controversy in Israel, especially if adopted by the international community. However, even if Israel agreed to such a deal, with hostages released in exchange for a temporary cease-fire, the more the IDF penetrates urban areas, the harder it will be to halt fire since the army will be in close proximity to Hamas fighters, causing it to avoid risks that would endanger IDF forces. A further issue is that Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and senior IDF commanders expect to have a period of months in order to defeat Hamas as they promised to do. But a deal may put pressure on Israel to not resume fire after the deal is completed. Several other issues came up during Blinken’s visit and in talks between the Pentagon and the IDF. First, the U.S. is asking Israel to leave dealing with the regional arena to the U.S. The Americans are involved in intercepting launches from Yemen and if needed, may take care of the Houthi rebels there. This apparently applies also to the Shi’ite militias in Iraq, which so far are focused on harassing U.S. bases in that area. Second, the Biden administration is trying to arrange a visit to Israel by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy next week. This will be an important U.S. message to the world regarding the formation of a three-way alliance, an anti-Russian and anti-Iranian one. Israel has evaded this for years, but now there is no choice (and is also the ethical thing to do). Benjamin Netanyahu also gave a speech Friday. The prime minister usually doesn’t allow questions, and his speech was devoid of real empathy for what Israeli citizens are experiencing. When mentioning fallen soldiers, he again focused on members of a specific group within Israeli society. He never talks about the massacre in the border kibbutzim, or the courage of the emergency response teams there, just as he never bothered to visit communities along the Gaza border over the years. In general, Netanyahu believes for some reason that he is totally exempt from conducting condolence calls during the war. But somehow he has plenty of time for visits to army units, from which the Prime Minister’s Office shares photos of him surrounded by soldiers. This is a total waste of his time and that of IDF officers, as are the pointless discussions of the security cabinet, as opposed to the war cabinet. There is no escaping the conclusion that even in the midst of the country’s most important war in 50 years, the prime minister is occupied first and foremost, above all else, with himself and with rescuing his shaky political future |
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/04/us/politics/obama-israel-palestine.html https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_7892_jpeg-3016224.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_7893_jpeg-3016226.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_7894_jpeg-3016227.JPG View Quote Fucking Oblamer. He’s TO BLAME for |
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The pictures of the tunnel shaft in the courtyard of the Qatari Hamad Hospital, revealed by the IDF spokesman, are nothing short of amazing.
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View Quote Was it in a low enough orbit that the debris will fall back to earth or be burnt up on re-entry, or will the debris remain in orbit? |
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Willy's interview with IDF SF guy.
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Originally Posted By Piratepast40: Was it in a low enough orbit that the debris will fall back to earth or be burnt up on re-entry, or will the debris remain in orbit? View Quote Ballistic trajectories. Getting to orbit requires a LOT more energy. Can't say some bits might not get a longer ride but it's all coming back down. |
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Originally Posted By NY12ga: Where does the Vatican stand on all this? Are they really not aware of what “first Saturday then Sunday” means? View Quote I'm just waiting for this commie pope to "run away from the Vatican over the dead bodies of priests and bishops". Things will get really sporty then. |
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Translation:The Islamic Resistance in Iraq publishes a video of a suicide march launched towards an American military base west of Hasakah
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Originally Posted By Curmudgeon762: For those organizing, yes. The fact that do many are willing to follow is reminiscent of pre war Germany I suspect. I sincerely hope that “all enemies, both foreign and domestic” doesn’t become relative here. I’m older, and this is the first time in my life I could see a potential for WIDESPREAD fighting within our borders. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Curmudgeon762: Originally Posted By Durka-Durka: It's not really about reason. It's not about morals, either. It's about power. Everyone who supports hamas, blm, antifa, the left, is another body who supports the overthrow of the principles and rules this country was founded upon. It's about power. For those organizing, yes. The fact that do many are willing to follow is reminiscent of pre war Germany I suspect. I sincerely hope that “all enemies, both foreign and domestic” doesn’t become relative here. I’m older, and this is the first time in my life I could see a potential for WIDESPREAD fighting within our borders. It's not "potential". It's a given. It's been more than confirmed by how the attack on Israel made the varmint come out of their holes everywhere. Oct 7th will happen here, likely much worse and don't count on this government to go after the perpetrators as the Israeli is doing because the .gov will be the perpetrator. |
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Originally Posted By BM1455: Willy's interview with IDF SF guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UfbvWoWfTs View Quote |
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Translation: Al-Qassam Brigades publishes a video targeting the Israeli forces penetrating Gaza with hundreds of mortar shells
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I work with with both Palis and Jews. The Palis I work with are super nice. I get along just fine. I know they keep their opinion to themselves.
But an observation of the hundreds of interviews I have watched, 1) not one condemns hamas. 2) not one believes the right to Israel to exist Yet, millions of people around the world are marching against Jews some calling for Jew genocide. Somebody is finding here. But back to the 2 comments. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: Translation: Al-Qassam Brigades publishes a video targeting the Israeli forces penetrating Gaza with hundreds of mortar shells https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BRwv82vkxs View Quote Slick well-produced propaganda. Obviously filmed previously and/or elsewhere, as the IDF would have struck such a position. |
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Coyote with 40 people crammed into a minivan gets into a chase with DPS, Paco over estimates his driving abilities and *whmmo!* the Astrovan of Immigration becomes a Pinata of Pain, hurling broken bodies like so many tasty pieces of cheap candy...
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Originally Posted By michigan66: Israel-Hamas War Day 30 | Abbas to Blinken: PA Willing to Take Control Over Gaza as Part of Diplomatic Solution Nov 5, 2023 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By michigan66: Israel-Hamas War Day 30 | Abbas to Blinken: PA Willing to Take Control Over Gaza as Part of Diplomatic Solution Nov 5, 2023 Israeli army says 29 soldiers, officers killed in ongoing ground offensive ■ Blinken meets Abbas in Ramallah after saying U.S., Arab states agree Hamas-controlled status quo in Gaza cannot continue ■ One wounded after missile fired from Lebanon hits northern Israel ■ Hamas: Over 60 hostages missing due to Israeli airstrikes on Gaza ■ 242 hostages held in Gaza, 40 remain missing ■ At least 1,300 civilians and soldiers killed in Hamas massacre ■ Hamas' Health Ministry: Over 9,000 killed in Gaza Abbas after Blinken meeting: Palestinian Authority willing to take responsibility for Gaza as part of comprehensive political solution Blinken tells Abbas U.S. committed to getting aid into Gaza and restoring essential services there in West Bank visit Israeli army releases name of additional soldier killed in Gaza fighting Egyptian sources: Gaza evacuation suspended after Israeli strike on ambulances Qatar's Foreign Ministry spokesperson says any hostage release requires a 'period of calm' Palestinian Health Ministry: 3 Palestinians killed in clashes in West Bank village of Abu Dis Israeli army: We struck more than 2,500 targets since start of Gaza ground operation Theyarethesame.jpg |
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Originally Posted By NY12ga: The mafia does not wantonly target and torture innocent women or children View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By NY12ga: Originally Posted By Malhass: Hamas and the plo are war lords and mafia bosses … The mafia does not wantonly target and torture innocent women or children That's actually a big no-no taboo. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: Translation: Al-Qassam Brigades publishes a video targeting the Israeli forces penetrating Gaza with hundreds of mortar shells https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BRwv82vkxs View Quote |
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Originally Posted By sh768: Slick well-produced propaganda. Obviously filmed previously and/or elsewhere, as the IDF would have struck such a position. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sh768: Originally Posted By realwar: Translation: Al-Qassam Brigades publishes a video targeting the Israeli forces penetrating Gaza with hundreds of mortar shells https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BRwv82vkxs Slick well-produced propaganda. Obviously filmed previously and/or elsewhere, as the IDF would have struck such a position. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: Translation:The Islamic Resistance in Iraq publishes a video of a suicide march launched towards an American military base west of Hasakah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEb5Pk4LdCA View Quote Indulge them? |
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Originally Posted By USMCTanker: Professor Michael Clarke is one of my favorite military analysts; an intellectual giant in battlefield and strategic analysis from what I can tell. I used to watch him as a guest on Sky News and his observations of the Russian-Ukraine War seemed absolutely spot-on. He seemed to know more about what the Russians were doing that the Russians did, and I don’t say that in jest. I would encourage everyone in this thread to take 5 minutes and read his comments. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By USMCTanker: Originally Posted By michigan66: Sunday Times (London): Has Israel set itself an impossible military task? Michael Clarke, visiting professor of defence studies at King’s College London, on the challenges faced by trying to destroy Hamas Highpoints: Israel can certainly defeat Hamas, but destroying it will be a different matter, and that challenge is likely to increase as Israel’s campaign goes on. Israel’s military has its own vulnerabilities, of course, but none that should prevent it from prevailing over Hamas. If Hamas decides to go toe-to-toe with the IDF, even in Gaza’s densely urban environment, it will only end one way. The preliminary bombing of phase one — more than 11,000 targets hit — was followed by the “break-in” phase two. Phase three is designed to capitalise on earlier gains, cutting across the Wadi Gaza coastal wetlands in the centre of the strip to isolate the northern half of the territory. The IDF, however, are moving carefully to avoid being suckered into Hamas traps, and they are wary in case Hamas intends to fight all-out only inside Gaza City. It will be at least another week before we, and the IDF, can be sure it has not been lured into an urban killing ground. At the end of this phase of the campaign, however long it may take, it is likely the IDF will occupy all the territory — at least above ground — from the Erez crossing in the north to the Wadi Gaza, including Gaza City. But occupying half of Hamas’s territory will still leave the job less than half done. From this point onwards, the IDF’s campaign will face challenges that are unique in modern urban warfare and counterinsurgency. The entire 360 sq km of the Gaza Strip makes it pretty small, and yet 2.3 million people are trapped inside it with no possibility of escape. No examples in modern history — not Mosul, Fallujah, Mariupol in Ukraine, nor Grozny in Chechnya, Kandahar in Afghanistan, Saigon in Vietnam or Phnom Penh in Cambodia — offer cases of a battlefield where civilians had so little chance to get away, if they chose, before the onslaught of a superior military power. The Palestinians of Gaza have no opportunity to escape. Israel will have to face its southern battlefield with a population of about 1.8 million in a density approaching 10,000 people per square kilometre. That’s comparable with the population density of central London, in an area about half the size. To “destroy Hamas” amid a compacted and already severely distressed civilian population will require some unique thinking. In these circumstances most ancient-world leaders would have resorted to a straight massacre. But modern military commanders will have to develop some new approaches to urban warfare and counterinsurgency if they are to “destroy” Hamas amid this population. The one respect in which this war is completely traditional is in its tendency to throw up unexpected consequences, setting off trains of political events it will find difficult to control. Article: Click To View Spoiler MICHAEL CLARKE | ANALYSI Has Israel set itself an impossible military task? Israel’s military objective in the Gaza war, constantly repeated by its politicians and commanders, has become a national mantra: “Hamas must be destroyed.” A similar loud insistence by Cato the Elder to the Roman Republic that “Carthage must be destroyed” drove all before it, until, in 146BC it finally, and dreadfully, was. Carthage was defeated for the third time, its city torn down, its population murdered, the site itself ritually cursed. But the annihilation of Carthage immediately overstretched Rome in the Mediterranean and, just 12 years later, a century of domestic crisis commenced that ended the republic for ever. So can Israel destroy Hamas without inflicting a comparable fate on Gaza — or creating a terminal crisis for itself in the aftermath? Israel can certainly defeat Hamas, but destroying it will be a different matter, and that challenge is likely to increase as Israel’s campaign goes on. The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) went into this operation with more than half a million mobilised regulars and reservists — against Hamas’s 30,000-50,000 armed men. The IDF can easily build up to a ratio of five or six to one against Hamas across Gaza, even with troops occupied on other fronts. Supported by one of the most capable small air forces in the world, the IDF has an arsenal of the best home-produced and US-supplied equipment anywhere. Israel’s military has its own vulnerabilities, of course, but none that should prevent it from prevailing over Hamas, regardless of its adversary’s tunnels, attack drones and booby traps. It is not yet clear whether Hamas units are choosing to fight all-out against the advancing IDF, or merely trying to hamper its progress while they seek to escape southwards. But if Hamas decides to go toe-to-toe with the IDF, even in Gaza’s densely urban environment, it will only end one way. A trap for Israel? Israeli commanders acknowledge it will be a difficult campaign and could entail heavy IDF losses, but they sounded confident this week that the operation was going to plan. The preliminary bombing of phase one — more than 11,000 targets hit — was followed by the “break-in” phase two. Phase three is designed to capitalise on earlier gains, cutting across the Wadi Gaza coastal wetlands in the centre of the strip to isolate the northern half of the territory. That demarcates a battle zone in the north and the IDF are moving from all sides to surround Gaza City within it, simultaneously attacking what they believe are command bunkers and key tunnels in nearby Jabalia — refugee camp and all. They have taken control of segments of the Salah al-Din highway that runs up the middle of the strip, from the Rafah crossing in the south to the Erez crossing in the north. Controlling this road just south of Gaza City gives the IDF an ability to monitor civilian movement and hamper Hamas attempts to escape. The IDF, however, are moving carefully to avoid being suckered into Hamas traps, and they are wary in case Hamas intends to fight all-out only inside Gaza City. It will be at least another week before we, and the IDF, can be sure it has not been lured into an urban killing ground inside the city. For now, the IDF appears to be going for key points as its forces converge from different directions, occupying them securely before moving outwards to unite one strong point with another. They seal the Hamas tunnels as they encounter them, leaving them for the specialists. The Israeli air force bombs and strafes ahead of the ground troops in a closely combined air-ground operation, while naval vessels off the Gazan coast offer artillery support. At the end of this phase of the campaign, however long it may take, it is likely the IDF will occupy all the territory — at least above ground — from the Erez crossing in the north to the Wadi Gaza, including Gaza City. But occupying half of Hamas’s territory will still leave the job less than half done. From this point onwards, the IDF’s campaign will face challenges that are unique in modern urban warfare and counterinsurgency. Many allude to previous allied operations as comparable examples: the fight to retake the Iraqi city of Mosul from Isis in 2016-17; US operations in Fallujah in 2004 amid the Iraq War; or Israel’s incursion into the Jenin refugee camp in 2003. But their applicability is limited, considering what the IDF will face when it has taken the north. No escape As modern battlefields go, the entire 360 sq km of the Gaza Strip makes it pretty small, and yet 2.3 million people are trapped inside it with no possibility of escape. No examples in modern history — not Mosul, Fallujah, Mariupol in Ukraine, nor Grozny in Chechnya, Kandahar in Afghanistan, Saigon in Vietnam or Phnom Penh in Cambodia — offer cases of a battlefield where civilians had so little chance to get away, if they chose, before the onslaught of a superior military power. Even Berlin in 1945 gave German civilians some opportunity to escape westwards and throw themselves on the mercy of US and British forces rather than face the advancing Russians. The Palestinians of Gaza have no comparable opportunity, and since more than half the population of the north has moved beyond Wadi Gaza, Israel will have to face its southern battlefield with a population of about 1.8 million in a density approaching 10,000 people per square kilometre. That’s comparable with the population density of central London, in an area about half the size — say from the Thames up to the North Circular Road. To “destroy Hamas” amid a compacted and already severely distressed civilian population will require some unique thinking. In these circumstances most ancient-world leaders would have resorted to a straight massacre. But modern military commanders will have to develop some new approaches to urban warfare and counterinsurgency if they are to “destroy” Hamas amid this population. For the time being, Hezbollah’s leader, Hassan Nasrallah, is holding his organisation back from direct confrontation with Israel. But this may not last and Nasrallah may not be in full control of his forces. This window of restraint may close soon, so if Hamas has to be destroyed, then it has to be destroyed quickly. If Hamas survives in any tangible form, then it wins, and has a good chance of witnessing the wider anti-Israeli war it probably hoped to provoke when it launched its attack. The one respect in which this war is completely traditional is in its tendency to throw up unexpected consequences, setting off trains of political events it will find difficult to control. The most important strategic decision any government takes is the first one. Israel has taken it, and the wider consequences will play out as they will. The second critical strategic decision will be taken when Israel looks at southern Gaza. The IDF will either have to reformulate its “Hamas must be destroyed” objective, or think of ways of achieving it that gets Israel off the road on which Cato the Elder set Rome: defence through annihilation. Michael Clarke is visiting professor of defence studies at King’s College London Professor Michael Clarke is one of my favorite military analysts; an intellectual giant in battlefield and strategic analysis from what I can tell. I used to watch him as a guest on Sky News and his observations of the Russian-Ukraine War seemed absolutely spot-on. He seemed to know more about what the Russians were doing that the Russians did, and I don’t say that in jest. I would encourage everyone in this thread to take 5 minutes and read his comments. Like I said before, line the civilian population and march it to Iran under very strict real-time broadcasted surveillance. As an added bonus, build walls, like the French did in Argel, around DC, NYC, Martha's Vineyard, LA, SF, Seattle, etc. and parachute several of them there. |
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Originally Posted By Klee: Oh they will still vote democrat but not for any candidate that could win nationally. I hope this war weakens the dems hugely. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Klee: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By SoCalExile:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9jjQSEWcAAye0X?format=jpg&name=900x900 Just wait until we witness the new and improved democrat voting fraud for 2024 Oh they will still vote democrat but not for any candidate that could win nationally. I hope this war weakens the dems hugely. After 2020 and 2022 and how "votes" are "counted", does it really matter how many vote on anyone? |
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Originally Posted By yodude: I work with with both Palis and Jews. The Palis I work with are super nice. I get along just fine. I know they keep their opinion to themselves. But an observation of the hundreds of interviews I have watched, 1) not one condemns hamas. 2) not one believes the right to Israel to exist Yet, millions of people around the world are marching against Jews some calling for Jew genocide. Somebody is finding here. But back to the 2 comments. View Quote It looks like the protests are gaining stem. More and more are coming out and getting more animated (I.e. White House protest the other day). I wonder how much it will continue to grow and how many of them or others are actually willing to jump. |
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Originally Posted By tsg68: The Palis freaked out when the Israelis used bomb sniffing pigs at the airport back in the 1990’s. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By tsg68: Originally Posted By Rossi: Would mad boars do a better job by adding the psychological effect of being killed (and possibly partly eaten) by a pig? The Palis freaked out when the Israelis used bomb sniffing pigs at the airport back in the 1990’s. Well then. Now they can use Hamas-sniffing boars. |
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