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Link Posted: 12/11/2023 6:30:55 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/11/2023 6:34:18 PM EST
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Might be related to another Houthi attack.  Incident reported a few hours ago by a ship, now a fire on board.


Link Posted: 12/11/2023 6:47:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Might be related to another Houthi attack.  Incident reported a few hours ago by a ship, now a fire on board.


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Link Posted: 12/11/2023 6:48:33 PM EST
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This is a national embarrassment and disgrace.  Why aren't the hostages names plastered all over the news?  Instead, the White House and the media pretend they don't exist.

Link Posted: 12/11/2023 6:50:34 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/11/2023 7:24:19 PM EST
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More shenanigans, 20 minutes ago.

Link Posted: 12/11/2023 7:40:04 PM EST
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More shenanigans, 20 minutes ago.

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Possibly same boat?
Link Posted: 12/11/2023 7:57:01 PM EST
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Possibly same boat?
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Originally Posted By BM1455:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
More shenanigans, 20 minutes ago.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBGxerRW0AE3UYH?format=png&name=900x900



Possibly same boat?


Possibly, no one is sure yet.

I found this info interesting.





Link Posted: 12/11/2023 8:01:50 PM EST
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More shenanigans, 20 minutes ago.

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This shit is getting ridiculous.  Nobody wants to bomb these idiots, so they'll keep trying to sink or hijack ships until they cause an incident that can't be ignored.  That will trigger a massive response that will cause a serious regional war.

Bomb them today.  Forget allies, if the USN can't handle this on their own we are in worse shape than I thought.  Send a message to Iran to get their ship out of there, ASAP.  Give them a not so subtle suggestion that they'd better make sure their sailors run their damage control drills because they're going to need them.
Link Posted: 12/11/2023 8:04:43 PM EST
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Senate will not approve any aid including Israel before next year and next year being an election year likely makes it harder to reach agreement https://thehill.com/newsletters/defense-national-security/4354775-ukraine-aid-likely-to-be-delayed-until-new-year-senator-says/amp/
Link Posted: 12/11/2023 8:07:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By michigan66:


This shit is getting ridiculous.  Nobody wants to bomb these idiots, so they'll keep trying to sink or hijack ships until they cause an incident that can't be ignored and which will trigger a massive response that will cause a serious regional war.

Bomb them today.  Forget allies, if the USN can't handle this on their own we are in worse shape than I thought.  Send a message to Iran to get their ship out of there, ASAP.  Give them a not so subtle suggestion that they'd better make sure their sailors run their damage control drills because they're going to need them.
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We need to lay out their big brother.  it would stop then.
Link Posted: 12/11/2023 8:07:45 PM EST
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Will they still vote for him?
Link Posted: 12/11/2023 8:11:14 PM EST
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One disaster at a time.  A direct attack on Iran might cause Hezbollah to start seriously blasting Israel.  Gaza needs to be nailed down first.
Link Posted: 12/11/2023 8:15:49 PM EST
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One disaster at a time.  A direct attack on Iran might cause Hezbollah to start seriously blasting Israel.  Gaza needs to be nailed down first.
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Israel is about to go blast Hezbollah all on it's own anyways.
Link Posted: 12/11/2023 9:03:35 PM EST
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Real classy dems
Link Posted: 12/11/2023 9:31:48 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/11/2023 9:32:41 PM EST
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This administration has a reckoning coming.
Link Posted: 12/11/2023 10:16:37 PM EST
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This administration has a reckoning coming.
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Just as well. Brandon would start babbling about how he feels their pain because "an Arab urchin stole my Timex once in the souk in Marrakech.  Luckily Beau was able to catch him, my son learned how to deal with those people when he was the Military Governor in Iraq."
Link Posted: 12/11/2023 11:05:45 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/11/2023 11:43:26 PM EST
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reagan wouldve reduce Yemen to craters by now.
Link Posted: 12/11/2023 11:52:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Cypher15:
reagan wouldve reduce Yemen to craters by now.
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Originally Posted By BM1455:
reagan wouldve reduce Yemen to craters by now.

Biden is drafting up a strongly-worded letter, bundled with aid.
Link Posted: 12/11/2023 11:55:01 PM EST
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Institute Study of War backgrounder 11 December
Key Takeaways:

Israeli forces are degrading Hamas’ battalions in Shujaiya and Jabalia.  Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said on December 11 that Hamas’ Jabalia and Shujaiya Battalions are “on the verge of being dismantled.” Israeli forces captured Hamas military infrastructure in Jabalia, including explosives manufacturing facilities, training facilities, and weapons caches.

Palestinian fighters continue to resist Israeli advances in Shujaiya and Jabalia. The al Quds Brigades—the militant wing of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)—detonated an explosively formed penetrator (EFP) targeting an Israeli military vehicle as it advanced in Shujaiya on December 11. The al Quds Brigades also attacked Israeli infantry at close range in Shujaiya.  

An Israeli journalist embedded with the IDF’s Kfir Brigade in Shujaiya reported that Hamas forces in Shujaiya are ”waging a guerrilla war” and have not ”abandoned the fight,” suggesting elements of Hamas’ Shujaiya Battalion remain combat effective.

Israeli forces are also continuing their advance in southern Beit Lahiya, north of Jabalia city and camp. The al Qassem Brigades claimed that its fighters fired a thermobaric rocket targeting Israeli special forces in a building in the Beit Lahia Project area.

Palestinian fighters are continuing to attack Israeli forces behind the Israeli forward line of troops. Al Quds Brigades fighters sniped two Israeli soldiers near Zaytoun on December 10.

Palestinian militias continued to resist Israeli advances in Khan Younis. The Israeli media outlet Ynet News reported on December 11 that a militia fighter used a tunnel entrance inside a building to plant and detonate an anti-personnel device near Israeli forces in al Qarara, northeast of Khan Younis.

Israeli Defense Minister Gallant noted that Hamas is “still organized militarily” in the southern Gaza Strip. The BBC reported that Israeli tanks are advancing slowly and approaching the eastern part of Khan Younis where Israel has reportedly captured four villages.

The IDF reported on December 11 that it has detained more than 350 Hamas fighters and more than 120 PIJ fighters, some of whom were taken for further investigation in Israel.  

An anonymous Israeli security official told the Wall Street Journal that the IDF assumes that military-aged males remaining in evacuated areas are militia fighters, as they have issued several evacuation orders to residents.  Residents told the Wall Street Journal that the IDF is detaining military-aged males for questioning.

The Wall Street Journal reported that Yahya Sinwar “cut off communications” with negotiators ”to pressure Israel to agree to a pause to” allow Hamas to “regroup.”  Sinwar told Egyptian negotiators that the war will “last for weeks.”

UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA)’s communications director reported a near “total breakdown of civil order” around its aid deliveries in the Gaza Strip,

Palestinian militias in the Gaza Strip conducted seven indirect fire attacks into Israel.  The al Qassem Brigades claimed responsibility for three rocket attacks, including two at Tel Aviv. The al Quds Brigades claimed responsibility for three attacks in southern Israel. The National Resistance Brigades claimed responsibility for a rocket attack targeting an Israeli military site in southern Israel.

Israeli forces clashed with Palestinian fighters nine times in the West Bank.  The al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigade—a self-affiliated militant wing of Fatah—fired small arms and detonated IEDs targeting Israeli forces in Mount Gerizim, near Nablus.  They also fired small arms targeting Israeli forces in two separate attacks near Jenin.  Unspecified Palestinian fighters fired on an Israeli settlement in the northern West Bank and also fired across the West Bank-Israel border towards an Israeli settlement.

Israeli sources are framing the West Bank as a supporting effort for the IDF’s main effort in the Gaza Strip. The Israeli Army Radio reported that the IDF will reduce its forces guarding settlements in the West Bank by at least a quarter “soon,” citing an unspecified source. The Israeli defense minister added separately that IDF operations in the West Bank are secondary to the Gaza Strip, but that Israel is taking steps to ”prevent an escalation” in the West Bank.

Lebanese Hezbollah and other Iranian-backed militias attacked nine Israeli towns and military positions.  LH claimed seven attacks on Israeli military positions in northern Israel. Israeli and Palestinian media reported two other attacks that hit civilian targets in northern Israel, including the non-evacuated town of Maalot Tarshiha.  LH fired anti-tank guided munitions at Israeli forces in Metulla. LH said that the attack was in retaliation for IDF shelling that LH claimed killed a southern Lebanese mayor.

Top Israeli security and military officials discussed how to deal with the threats on Israel’s northern border.  Israeli war cabinet minister and former defense minister Benny Gantz discussed security in northern Israel in a phone call with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken.  Gantz said he conveyed that LH’s heightened aggression and attacks mean that Israel must “remove” the threat from northern Israel.

Israel conducted an airstrike targeting IRGC headquarters in Sayyida Zainab, Damascus, and Damascus International Airport on December 10.

Harakat Hezbollah al Nujaba Political Council called for simultaneous political and military actions to expel the United States from Iraq.

The Islamic Resistance in Iraq—a coalition of Iranian-backed Iraqi militias—claimed responsibility for three attacks on US positions in Iraq and Syria.  

The Islamic Resistance in Iraq claimed a single rocket attack targeting US forces at al Shaddadi, Hasakah Province, Syria.  The group has claimed nine attacks on al Shaddadi since October 18. The Islamic Resistance in Iraq claimed two one-way drone attacks on Ain al Asad Airbase in Anbar Province, Iraq.  The group has claimed more than 20 attacks on Ain al Asad Airbase since October 18.  

US officials are continuing to pressure the Iraqi central government to protect US personnel in Iraq.
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Link Posted: 12/11/2023 11:56:07 PM EST
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That is pretty sad.
Link Posted: 12/12/2023 12:14:22 AM EST
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Originally Posted By brass:


I'm referring to how it will be written in the future history books.    Right now, up is down right is wrong, etc.   Whether or not that stays the case is kind of up to us to remember and make sure others are aware of the truth by documenting it as completely as possible even if we aren't the MSM.
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Originally Posted By michigan66:
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They could spin it and say they were utility/water routing and access tunnels beneath those buildings, not terrorist hide out network.  Maybe some of them actually are carrying power and water and data lines around, but when they store munitions in them, the "civilian" excuse gets muddled, but the propaganda networks will try to spin it that only innocent stuff was damaged.


They don't even bother making up lies.  No point--nobody who matters calls or will ever call them on their bullshit.  



I'm referring to how it will be written in the future history books.    Right now, up is down right is wrong, etc.   Whether or not that stays the case is kind of up to us to remember and make sure others are aware of the truth by documenting it as completely as possible even if we aren't the MSM.



"Who controls the past controls the future."

George Orwell



Link Posted: 12/12/2023 12:15:00 AM EST
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Dupe
Link Posted: 12/12/2023 12:33:17 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:


Possibly, no one is sure yet.

I found this info interesting.



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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Originally Posted By BM1455:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
More shenanigans, 20 minutes ago.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBGxerRW0AE3UYH?format=png&name=900x900



Possibly same boat?


Possibly, no one is sure yet.

I found this info interesting.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBGxRnqXUAAvpCX?format=jpg&name=large




This "lack of western cellphone security" is (are) backdoors that governments worldwide demand the manufacturers to leave open.  The well-known demand by the Saudis to Blackberry to create one so the company could get the permit to operate there is just one example.  Here in the US the whores (google, apple, microsoft, facebook, and several others) just sell whatever info their pimps require.  


Link Posted: 12/12/2023 1:05:10 AM EST
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Link Posted: 12/12/2023 7:52:11 AM EST
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Haaretz | News Israel-Hamas War Day 67 |  Dec 12, 2023

Rockets fired from Lebanon land in open areas in Israel's north ■ Yemen's Houthis fire missile at ship scheduled to arrive in Israel ■ Four Palestinian militants killed in Israeli drone attack in the West Bank city of Jenin ■ Seven IDF soldiers killed, six in Gaza fighting, one in military car accident ■ IDF updates number of soldiers wounded in war to 1,645 ■ At least 1,200 civilians and soldiers killed in Israel since Oct. 7; over 138 hostages still held in Gaza ■ Hamas-run health ministry claims 18,205 killed, 49,645 wounded

IDF: Since start of Gaza ground op, 13 Israeli soldiers were killed in Strip shot after being mistakenly identified as terrorists

Yemen's Houthis say they attacked a Norwegian oil tanker en route to Israel in the Red Sea

West Bank Health Ministry says death toll in Israeli drone attack rises to four

Israeli source: Since collapse of previous deal, neither Israel nor Hamas has presented a proposal for fresh truce

RECAP: Hamas' Health Ministry raises death toll to over 18,000 as representatives of UN Security Council states make way to Rafah crossing
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Link Posted: 12/12/2023 8:02:34 AM EST
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Originally Posted By x248716x:

Biden is drafting up a strongly-worded letter, bundled with aid.
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Originally Posted By BM1455:
reagan wouldve reduce Yemen to craters by now.

Biden is drafting up a strongly-worded letter, bundled with aid.


Don’t forget the cargo plane loaded with crisp new $100 bills.
Link Posted: 12/12/2023 8:12:55 AM EST
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Link Posted: 12/12/2023 8:49:02 AM EST
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Originally Posted By brass:


Not just info, but pre-compiled summaries and compilations with summaries from data fusion of all sources, not just their phone details.    Then they have the ability to see what sections of a group would be most likely to do something and then either provoke or prevent them on doing something they wouldn't do on their own.   Or advertise to them, the way most others do it.  It is beyond extremely invasive.

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Originally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Originally Posted By BM1455:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
More shenanigans, 20 minutes ago.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBGxerRW0AE3UYH?format=png&name=900x900



Possibly same boat?


Possibly, no one is sure yet.

I found this info interesting.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBGxRnqXUAAvpCX?format=jpg&name=large




This "lack of western cellphone security" is (are) backdoors that governments worldwide demand the manufacturers to leave open.  The well-known demand by the Saudis to Blackberry to create one so the company could get the permit to operate there is just one example.  Here in the US the whores (google, apple, microsoft, facebook, and several others) just sell whatever info their pimps require.  



Not just info, but pre-compiled summaries and compilations with summaries from data fusion of all sources, not just their phone details.    Then they have the ability to see what sections of a group would be most likely to do something and then either provoke or prevent them on doing something they wouldn't do on their own.   Or advertise to them, the way most others do it.  It is beyond extremely invasive.

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Remember how Hamas openly declared that it studied Israel and its defenses as well as behavioral patterns during the attack's planning phase?

Now it appears that other terrorist organizations are using cellphone data through backdoors or other tools intentionally left open by the companies that want to suck as much data about their users as terrorists want to learn behavioral patterns to maximize the effects of their attacks.

If all that stuff is really being exploited as it seems, this conflict just shows how deadly it can be when weaponized.


Link Posted: 12/12/2023 8:57:40 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Rossi:


Remember how Hamas openly declared that it studied Israel and its defenses as well as behavioral patterns during the attack's planning phase?

Now it appears that other terrorist organizations are using cellphone data through backdoors or other tools intentionally left open by the companies that want to suck as much data about their users as terrorists want to learn behavioral patterns to maximize the effects of their attacks.

If all that stuff is really being exploited as it seems, this conflict just shows how deadly it can be when weaponized.


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It just goes to demonstrate that in order for the west to have a high trust society, with all of the benefits and conveniences therein, that some people might have to do some things.

And to think, people used to fear us.
Link Posted: 12/12/2023 9:08:18 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Kanati:
It just goes to demonstrate that in order for the west to have a high trust society, with all of the benefits and conveniences therein, that some people might have to do some things.

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Better yet, people used to respect us and we used to pretend to act in the interests of our population, free markets and freedom.
Link Posted: 12/12/2023 9:22:52 AM EST
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Link Posted: 12/12/2023 9:45:08 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FreeToProsper:


Better yet, people used to respect us and we used to pretend to act in the interests of our population, free markets and freedom.
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Originally Posted By FreeToProsper:
Originally Posted By Kanati:
It just goes to demonstrate that in order for the west to have a high trust society, with all of the benefits and conveniences therein, that some people might have to do some things.

And to think, people used to fear us.


Better yet, people used to respect us and we used to pretend to act in the interests of our population, free markets and freedom.



The writing is on the wall as well as all the red flags over what happened in Israel also happening here in the US, but in a much larger and horrific scale.  And, worse, contrary to what happened in Israel, it's more likely that the "authorities" here will persecute and arrest whoever defend themselves against the terrorists.


Link Posted: 12/12/2023 9:49:03 AM EST
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Yikes!  Fighting in those long alleys.

Link Posted: 12/12/2023 10:45:04 AM EST
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Yikes!  Fighting in those long alleys.

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Good case for flame throwers right there.
Link Posted: 12/12/2023 11:13:20 AM EST
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Fuckers.



Israel-Hamas war: Israeli Govt. on hostage operations | LiveNOW from FOX
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Perhaps the Norwegians should send their navy to protect their ships?
Link Posted: 12/12/2023 11:34:22 AM EST
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Disgusting and beta behavior that the current administration is pushing 'humanitarian' aid while hostages are being held.
Link Posted: 12/12/2023 11:37:21 AM EST
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Until the commanders in Yemen, their Hezbollah and Iranian advisers, and more general officers in the training group of the IRGC are targeted this crap will escalate.  Sink or capture that Iranian vessel that gives intel to the Houthis.

They will eventually kill more people and sink ships. At that point, the US will have to take extreme measures or look like a paper tiger. That will lead to a serious regional war nobody wants.
Link Posted: 12/12/2023 11:55:18 AM EST
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Disgusting and beta behavior that the current administration is pushing 'humanitarian' aid while hostages are being held.
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Disgusting and beta behavior that the current administration is pushing 'humanitarian' aid while hostages are being held.

I said last week Biden and his F Troop of foreign policy should link humanitarian aid to an inspection visit by the Red Cross to the kidnap victims.

This crap needs to be publicized, too, in blunt language.  Hamas lets its people die while they hide out underground eating food stolen from Palestinian children.  If they have a hard time coming up with the right harsh words and aggressive tone, just pretend Hamas was in DC on January 6th or wouldn't get a COVID shot.
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Haaretz:  Israeli Army Says 13 Soldiers Killed in Gaza Were Mistakenly Identified as Hamas Members

Good summary of IDF casualties in Operstion Iron Swords.  105 KIA so far in Gaza, with an additional 6 killed in accidents. They are reporting 13 KIA by friendly fire, mostly during air strikes or from armored units.  This is frankly what I would have expected, especially during urban operations.

Article also mentions Israeli civilian and military casualties on October 7th caused by the IDF. Again, given what was going on and the unprecedented numbers of Hamas terrorists all over southern Israel the only surprise is there weren't more casualties from "friendly fire".  These cases are getting a lot of attention from the usual "bash Israel" crowd.

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Israeli army says 13 soldiers killed in Gaza were mistakenly identified as Hamas members

The Israeli army adds that an additional seven soldiers were killed in other operational accidents during the war. So far, 105 soldiers have been killed in Gaza since the ground operation began

The Israeli army estimates that 13 soldiers who were killed in fighting in Gaza were shot after being mistakenly identified as Hamas members, and that another seven soldiers were killed in other operational accidents during the war.

Since the beginning of the Israeli army's ground operation, 105 soldiers have been killed in the Gaza Strip, including the Israeli hostage Noa Marciano. According to the army's data, six soldiers were killed in weapon-related accidents, bullet discharges, being run over by a military vehicle, or by incidental damage following an explosion. One soldier died after being hit by a stray bullet.

The army stated that most of the cases in which soldiers were killed by IDF fire were during armored corps and air force attacks. At least publicly, no distinction is made between accidents that occurred during combat and those caused by misconduct and disciplinary issues.

Israeli soldiers fought hundreds of Hamas terrorists during the massacre. There were a limited number of cases of civilian and Israeli forces being mistakenly identified as enemy actors. Sources in the Israeli military believe these cases are isolated and small compared to the number of Israelis killed by Hamas' Nukhba force, which perpetrated the October 7 attack, though the army has not investigated the extent of such incidents involving civilians.

According to military sources, the army's avoidance in examining the events of October 7 stems from the unusual circumstances in which its forces operated: The intense fighting against an unprecedented number of terrorists who had taken control of Israeli communities bordering Gaza, the surprise element of the attack, the extended duration of fighting, the conditions under which soldiers engaged terrorists and the traumatic nature of the scenes they encountered, including whole families murdered. The Israeli military estimates that the number of civilian-involved incidents may never be investigated.

Since the start of the war, some 1,200 civilians have been killed. Most of them were slaughtered by Hamas terrorists on October 7 and a few were killed by Hezbollah fire. 434 Israeli soldiers were killed since the start of fighting.

The Israeli military began to release numbers of soldiers who were wounded since the war began only earlier this week, after Haaretz reported that the military had refused to do so. The army has only occasionally informed the public of wounded soldiers, and, unlike in past operations and wars, did so when naming those who were killed in battle.

On Tuesday, it was reported that in addition to those who were killed, 1,683 soldiers have also been wounded in the same period, including about 600 who were wounded in the Gaza Strip. As of noon on Tuesday, 33 soldiers were hospitalized in serious condition.

According to an examination of the numbers of wounded soldiers still hospitalized as provided by the IDF, there is a considerable discrepancy between it and the data provided by the hospitals.
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Link Posted: 12/12/2023 12:25:08 PM EST
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Houthis take credit for attacking Norwegian ship. Houthi spokesman looks like he's in a SNL skit when SNL was funny:

Yemen’s Houthis claim missile attack on Norwegian ship Strinda
Link Posted: 12/12/2023 12:31:05 PM EST
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Fuckers.



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Palestinians deserve a Dresden style fire bombing campaign
Link Posted: 12/12/2023 12:40:09 PM EST
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It just goes to demonstrate that in order for the west to have a high trust society, with all of the benefits and conveniences therein, that some people might have to do some things.

And to think, people used to fear us.
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Western society should be called commonism because it is the only one able to produce, maintain and defend a high trust commons. Well, was able to. It's been undermined and now defending it is an antiphobeism.
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