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To be fair, the police have stood by and watched someone in distress die because 1) we thought he was faking 2) we didn't know that not breathing was a bad thing and 3) we're not doctors.
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I am talking about the CO on the video only. I am not talking about the county or any other person. The problem with video cameras is it doesn't show what it doesn't show. That CO could very well have called a supervisor, medical or both. We don't know. Somebody is liable for sure. I am just unwilling to place the blame on the CO without more evidence than this video which does not document his actions after he left the cell area. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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@QCMGR Screw? What were you convicted of? You good with people using the word Pig to describe police officers? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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@QCMGR Screw? What were you convicted of? You good with people using the word Pig to describe police officers? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I'd like to know more about the victim. The 'victim' and 'child porn' could be a 17 year old girlfriend who sent him nudes.
... Benzodiazepine withdrawal is the deadliest drug withdrawal that exists, exceeding even that of alcohol. If you take someone who's been on a moderate-to-high dose benzo med long term and put them through abrupt withdrawal, then risk of death is very high and putting them through a horrifying nightmarish torture is 100% guaranteed as is some level of brain damage. If you're on a benzo med(valium, xanax, ativan, klonopin, librium) then I'd consider getting off of it by talking to your doctor about it and reading about tapering plans and tapering down slowly over time as to how advised by your doctor. Benzos should be outlawed for all but emergency and very short-term usage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine_withdrawal_syndrome also, anyone using benzos and/or alcohol regularly and long-term should know this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindling_(sedative%E2%80%93hypnotic_withdrawal) cliffs: each withdrawal gets worse and worse until your brain and body is FUBAR'd or you die. There are a great many people in jails, prisons, with criminals records, in mental institutions, and graves because of the dangerous effects of benzo medications. |
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Me and it was very rewarding, much more so than being a cop. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Call the medics.
Shrug if he dies after you activate emergency services. Jailer needs jail time for wanton disregard of his charges health. A prisoner is essentially your child. He neglected his duty. |
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Interesting. Honest question how was it more rewarding? Even a cop, seeing the scum of the earth still interacts with decent people. Your life was supervising people every day in a place they didn't want to be. View Quote Then there is the comedy of the institutions. There is nowhere on earth funnier than a prison. I could go on, but i think that suffices. |
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You must have missed where I said they don't come to the cell. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Medical goes to the cell and evaluates the prisoner. If they say the person is faking then I have it documented and move on. If they say they cannot determine if the person is faking or not, I notify my supervisor who will then the majority of time, have an ambulance dispatched to the scene. We will then either send an officer to the hospital with the prisoner or in some cases, get them a signature bond, a court date and send them on their way. |
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That's not an option unless there is a security issue. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Medical goes to the cell and evaluates the prisoner. If they say the person is faking then I have it documented and move on. If they say they cannot determine if the person is faking or not, I notify my supervisor who will then the majority of time, have an ambulance dispatched to the scene. We will then either send an officer to the hospital with the prisoner or in some cases, get them a signature bond, a court date and send them on their way. I have a specific story about this I can tell, that scared me to death. At the time I was Chief of Security at a maximum security prison. if you want I can tell you about it. |
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A few reasons. The biggest being the unsung heroes who fight and survive terrible attacks or who run to the rescue of others, or who save the lives of inmates and staff who would otherwise die. They never get mentioned in the news, or have a movie made about them. The only time they are mentioned is when they screw up or when Hollywood demonizes them. I have seen acts of heroism that rival any in war. Prisons have plenty of decent people. Sometimes even the crooks are decent. many years ago i was terribly injured and in danger of dying. A double murderer in his 17th year of incarceration ran over a mile to call for help. My agency, through individual voluntary employee donations has raised millions of dollars for Special Olympics. You will never see that in the paper. Then, sometimes you get to see or be a part of a real subhuman piece of shit get a big chunk of karma rammed right up his ass, or through his veins. Then there is the comedy of the institutions. There is nowhere on earth funnier than a prison. I could go on, but i think that suffices. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Interesting. Honest question how was it more rewarding? Even a cop, seeing the scum of the earth still interacts with decent people. Your life was supervising people every day in a place they didn't want to be. Then there is the comedy of the institutions. There is nowhere on earth funnier than a prison. I could go on, but i think that suffices. |
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Once you're in custody. They're responsible for that person. Doesn't matter what they did to get there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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You admit you don't know anything about corrections and you say it's not an option? Of course it is an option. I have seen it scores of times. You call medical and say I have a guy exhibiting X symptoms. the nurse says "tell him to put in a sick call" or "he's faking, we have seen him 3 times today". Then they don't show up. You send call the shift supervisor and say, "Hey Captain, inmates Smith is doing x in his cell, I called medical and they said they aren't coming, what should I do?" Captain " You have done your job, I'll call them." Nurse, backed by Health Administrator, "We dont work for you, are you a trained medical professional?" I have a specific story about this I can tell, that scared me to death. At the time I was Chief of Security at a maximum security prison. if you want I can tell you about it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Who cares? Prison should be hell.
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I was the Chief of Security at a large maximum security prison in southeast Texas. An Inmate from a minimum security prison nearby had just received open heart surgery. His home unit was filled to capacity, so they sent him to me. He was housed in transient housing (No air conditioning) in August. As I was making my rounds I discovered this. The temperature was around 100 degrees with no breeze. As a Chief of Security, I am a housing authority and can house inmates anywhere I wish, within reason. I called medical and made sure they know this guy was on the facility. I ensured staff kept him supplied with cold water. I checked to see if medical had any beds open and they did. Medical has A/C. This guys had had open heart surgery the day before this. I ordered him to be moved to the medical bed in the a/c. In about an hour I got a call from the Director of Classification at agency HQ. She told me to move the inmate back to the transient housing. I asked why. She said that only medical and classification could order housing in that area. I knew that was false and she was trying to run over me. I advised her of the situation and my genuine concern that the stifling heat could kill the inmate. She said "Are you a doctor?" I replied, "No but I'm not stupid and anyone can see this is a bad idea". She then said " I'm ordering you to move him". I told her that she wasn't anywhere in my chain of command and he would be staying right where he was. She angrily hung up the phone. In about an hour I was summoned to a phone. It was the Region Director ( my bosses boss). he told me to move the inmate back to transient housing. I said "Yes sir" and moved him. At that point I sort of wanted the inmate to die (not really) but it would have driven home my point. There is so much about the corrections business that people don't understand because they can't see it. Shawshank Redemption is not where you learn about prison or custodial care. I was on video in front of that inmates cell 3 or 4 times that day. For the viewer it would appear that a high ranking official just looked in the cell and did nothing. That would be the opposite of the truth.
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Who cares? Prison should be hell. I don’t care one bit nor would I reprimand the guard. View Quote While they deserve to be in prison, not all inmates are in there for crimes causing bodily injury to others. |
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I would be shocked if the jail didn't have a Doctor that made that decision, and if the inmate's Doctor did not know the jail's (apparent) policy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You can't expect people working in jails to be nurses and doctors. These addicts are having serious withdrawal reactions from very toxic chemicals and drugs and everyone wants to stick them in jail to get them off the streets. You poison yourself and get arrested then you are responsible for your death. As for the DO, two phrases come to mind, and the BIG one is Deliberate Indifference, then add Conditions of Confinement. Throw as little CRIPA, or Constitutional Rights for Incarcerated Persons Act, and you have a shit stew that is going to drown everyone involved in this incident. As for what the inmate DID - I don't care. It doesn't mean i don't care about the victims, or am an inmate lover or any crap like that - the cornerstone of corrections is Firm, Fair, and Consistent. The best way to accomplish that is to NOT look up who you are dealing with unless it's germane to the situation at hand. Some you can't help but know due to notoriety, but you work past it, because no matter what they did, we are charged with keeping them alive and unharmed until their sentence is over. There are many inmates that if they died I wouldn't shed a tear, (got a little hammered the night Manson went to Hell), but I will do everything within my lawful authority and power to keep them alive and kicking while in my care and custody. |
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Quoted: But will proclaim their love for him till that check clears. Ma'am, you have not visited him in the 19 years he has been incarcerated. There are no letters from you in his property. You have never sent money to his commissary account. You don't know me! You bastard! eta: I want his property, all of it, right now. Okay m'am, here it is. Property inventory Gay porn magazine 2 1 old sock he jerked off into Drawings of Satan fucking a baby |
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.... You do know a presumption of innocence is a cornerstone of our nation, and how it was created, correct? You also do understand that not everyone who goes to jail has actually broken a law, and that many are simply suspected of it, right? Furthermore, you also understand that a lot of people who go to jail have charges dropped right? View Quote |
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Quoted: That's muh baaaaby boy! He was my everything and YOU killed him! Ma'am, you have not visited him in the 19 years he has been incarcerated. There are no letters from you in his property. You have never sent money to his commissary account. You don't know me! You bastard! eta: I want his property, all of it, right now. Okay m'am, here it is. Property inventory Gay porn magazine 2 1 old sock he jerked off into Drawings of Satan fucking a baby View Quote |
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Local PD here in RI had to pay out 7 million for standing around a guy in custody not breathing and waiting for an ambulance.
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Not much of bad behavior for public officials (all public officials, not just police) will change as long as the agency pays for any lost law suits. When the agency pays the award for a lawsuit, it is actually the public paying the lawsuit.
What needs to change is that not only would the agency and it's supervising officials be liable, but the individual public official would be PERSONALLY liable, as in they could loose their house, pension, bank accounts. Only then would the public officials begin to really worry about being sued. In stead of a bureaucrat at the planning division ignoring citizens because the agency would pay any suits, they would pay attention if they knew they could loose their pension if they don't do their job properly. It would be unfair to just apply this logic to the police, and I want all public officials to be responsible for their actions. |
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Not much of bad behavior for public officials (all public officials, not just police) will change as long as the agency pays for any lost law suits. When the agency pays the award for a lawsuit, it is actually the public paying the lawsuit. What needs to change is that not only would the agency and it's supervising officials be liable, but the individual public official would be PERSONALLY liable, as in they could loose their house, pension, bank accounts. Only then would the public officials begin to really worry about being sued. In stead of a bureaucrat at the planning division ignoring citizens because the agency would pay any suits, they would pay attention if they knew they could loose their pension if they don't do their job properly. It would be unfair to just apply this logic to the police, and I want all public officials to be responsible for their actions. View Quote |
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Deliberate indifference to what a reasonable person should have recognized was a serious medical condition will likely result in liability in this case.
It does not require doctor level medical knowledge to seek medical attention. Waiting two hours to seek medical attention is just plain stupid. |
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You admit you don't know anything about corrections and you say it's not an option? Of course it is an option. I have seen it scores of times. You call medical and say I have a guy exhibiting X symptoms. the nurse says "tell him to put in a sick call" or "he's faking, we have seen him 3 times today". Then they don't show up. You send call the shift supervisor and say, "Hey Captain, inmates Smith is doing x in his cell, I called medical and they said they aren't coming, what should I do?" Captain " You have done your job, I'll call them." Nurse, backed by Health Administrator, "We dont work for you, are you a trained medical professional?" I have a specific story about this I can tell, that scared me to death. At the time I was Chief of Security at a maximum security prison. if you want I can tell you about it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The Sheriff as well.
The sheriff is generally sued individually in addition to the county. Our last Sheriff was personally sued 13 times before he retired. Just scumbags looking for a payout but they still need to be defended. |
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Quoted: Personally, I prefer funny prison stories. Got any of those? When I was in grad school there was a legitimately crazy guy in the local jail who started going on one of his usual rants. Only this time to drive the point home he stuck his thumb in an eye socket and popped out one of his eyes. He was going for the other eye when COs finally got in there to stop him. Reportedly, after that happened the other inmates started calling him popeye. View Quote Another inmate was a psych patient. he cut his dick off with a razor. He was transported to a local hospital where they re-attached it. he was sent back to the prison, to a psych cell. He managed to get another razor blade, like they do and cut it off again. The janitor, another inmate told him. They are just going to put it back on again, so he flushed it down the toilet. Two very violent inmates doing multiple life sentences were cell mates. They got drunk on home made wine and one of the two began to brag about how he tortured and raped this girl. The other guy told him to stop. He didn't stop. the other guy hit him in the head with a fan motor in a sock, knocking him out. While he was out, he tied him up and surgically castrated him. He then flushed the testicles down the toilet. We recovered them at the bar screen ( a device that catches all solids flowing through the sewer.) |
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