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Quoted: I’m proud of the politically ignorant, hard core pro lifers that are lining up to adopt black and brown ghetto babies. View Quote This is such a stupid argument. You’re against firearm bans? Are you willing to adopt the children orphaned by gun violence? If you want to be pro-baby murder knock yourself out. But at least come up with an argument better than this. ETA: I don’t know how many illegals you’ve been around, but they definitely aren’t getting abortions, regardless of its legality. |
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Quoted: Dabney? Problem is the right isn't going to win anything anymore, and its going to be transing your unborn child who would have otherwise had an abortion because she/he/they slept with an illegal from China....FOREVER. Most Americans like abortion, A LOT. And its going to keep on keepin' on until the power goes out for the last time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: “It may be inferred again that the present movement for (insert the thing of the moment here) rights will certainly prevail from the history of its only opponent, Northern conservatism. This [Northern conservatism] is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon its timidity and will be succeeded by some third revolution; to be denounced and then adopted in its turn. American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. This pretended salt hath utterly lost its savor: wherewith shall it be salted? Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth, and has no idea of being guilty of the folly of martyrdom. It always when about to enter a protest very blandly informs the wild beast whose path it essays to stop, that its “bark is worse than its bite,” and that it only means to save its manners by enacting its decent role of resistance: The only practical purpose which it now subserves in American politics is to give enough exercise to Radicalism to keep it “in wind,” and to prevent its becoming pursy and lazy, from having nothing to whip.” Dabney? Problem is the right isn't going to win anything anymore, and its going to be transing your unborn child who would have otherwise had an abortion because she/he/they slept with an illegal from China....FOREVER. Most Americans like abortion, A LOT. And its going to keep on keepin' on until the power goes out for the last time. Americans also liked slavery and white superiority and segregation. Also, the founders spent 10-20 years playing footsie with crown and parliament. Betting that things can't change is never a safe bet. |
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Quoted: I can tell you are an irrational Christian (more concisely Christian because you are ALL irrational) without you saying so. When the embryo is 8 weeks old it is not a person yet. I agree with setting a hard deadline and that deadline is a gray area but one absolutely needs to be set. However, there is now a way to prevent the embryo from being born so if you stop someone from using that in a timely manner you ARE forcing them to go forth, no mater what your Christian 'logic' would make you believe. Lets be honest and real here - humans have been on the Earth for a million years, depending on when apes evolved into humans. If you think otherwise just go educate yourself. So all of that time people got pregnant and had no choice. Thankfully for the survival of the species. They didn't have much else to do anyways so it was good for them. Now, we have WAY TOO MANY people on the Earth, and especially way too many people that were born to idiots and terrible parents, many of which are so because they weren't ready for a baby that some self-righteous idiots in some way force them to have. So science comes up with a viable option to prevent this from happening, but these same self-righteous, selfish idiots insist on them birthing regardless of the misery it causes the child or the parents. And you know what else these fucking morons do? They won't give a single penny to then alleviate the financial burden that they caused with their prehistoric ignorance and irrationality. YOU and people like you are as bad as the dumbass Liberals who cause so much pain on others by being irrational. You are two peas in a pod with your logical errors that were inculcated in youth and you don't have the IQ to rise above them and we all suffer because of it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Yes. We should. We did. And it worked. You got her preganant, you married her, you had no choice. Also, don't lie with your choice of words like a hardcore leftist english teacher. "So would you force a young couple to not murder their child when they are NOT READY to take care of it?" <---- this is the truth of the situation you are referring to. Don't hide from that. These are not paralells. They do not apply. There is no innocent person involved who has no choice in the matter who cannot defend themselves who must be intentionally killed to save the person responsible from the consquences of their choice. The mark of pro-intentionally killing people who don't deserve it so I can get what I wants: Utter inability to be coherent on the topic, or face the truth of it. We can work on this and fix it if we want to; it starts with the individual and the mirror. I can tell you are an irrational Christian (more concisely Christian because you are ALL irrational) without you saying so. When the embryo is 8 weeks old it is not a person yet. I agree with setting a hard deadline and that deadline is a gray area but one absolutely needs to be set. However, there is now a way to prevent the embryo from being born so if you stop someone from using that in a timely manner you ARE forcing them to go forth, no mater what your Christian 'logic' would make you believe. Lets be honest and real here - humans have been on the Earth for a million years, depending on when apes evolved into humans. If you think otherwise just go educate yourself. So all of that time people got pregnant and had no choice. Thankfully for the survival of the species. They didn't have much else to do anyways so it was good for them. Now, we have WAY TOO MANY people on the Earth, and especially way too many people that were born to idiots and terrible parents, many of which are so because they weren't ready for a baby that some self-righteous idiots in some way force them to have. So science comes up with a viable option to prevent this from happening, but these same self-righteous, selfish idiots insist on them birthing regardless of the misery it causes the child or the parents. And you know what else these fucking morons do? They won't give a single penny to then alleviate the financial burden that they caused with their prehistoric ignorance and irrationality. YOU and people like you are as bad as the dumbass Liberals who cause so much pain on others by being irrational. You are two peas in a pod with your logical errors that were inculcated in youth and you don't have the IQ to rise above them and we all suffer because of it. Friend you should check out 2 Kings 19. It's all fun and games until it isnt. |
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https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/arizona-presents-a-test-of-pro-life-realism/ This is essentially the same as the situation we saw in Michigan and Wisconsin in 2022 23: A pre-Roe law with minimal exceptions was reinstated by Dobbs, the state's elected government was divided between a Democratic governor and a Republican legislature and did nothing, and the voters ended up adopting a broad pro-abortion proposition in a referendum in Michigan and turning over control of the Wisconsin supreme court to Democrats. Pro-lifers were leaderless and disorganized, pursued no coherent strategy, and got saddled with the worst of all worlds. Can Arizona's famously dysfunctional post-Ducey GOP do better? This will be a test of pro-life realism. Voters are unlikely to be at all sympathetic to just standing pat on a mid-19th-century law with no exceptions. Ideally, the legislature would make a counteroffer. Republicans narrowly control the state legislature, with a 16 14 majority in the state senate and a 31 29 majority in the state assembly. If united during a legislative session, they could pass revisions to send to Governor Katie Hobbs's desk and dare her to veto them which, as a creature of the pro-abortion lobby and party, she would likely feel bound to do. Those revisions could include popular exceptions for rape and incest. They might allow earlier abortions at least up to six weeks and maybe (if unwilling to defend a six-week ban) to a later point (15 weeks is not much of a ban and would not be my preference, but it would be better than nothing). By vetoing the exceptions, Hobbs would have to make clear that she, and not pro-lifers, is the one holding an extreme and unyielding position. Could Arizona Republicans unify around that? Unfortunately, Arizona's legislature meets only in an annual spring session, which is scheduled to end on April 20, and it follows a calendar that likely precludes any new proposals this late in the game. So, the best the legislators could likely do is get together to sign off on a proposal to be introduced later, which Hobbs would likely ignore. But it's better to send a message than to have no message at all. The top statewide Republican candidate, Kari Lake, isn't likely to offer much leadership (she just issued a statement pledging to oppose any federal abortion ban or any federal abortion funding a defensible stance for the office she is seeking but one that suggests she will try to stay out of the state-level debates). View Quote The Kansas ballot referendum keeping a right to abortion had a higher percentage of voter support (59-41) than Trump won the state with in 2020 (56-42). |
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Quoted: The individual candidates position matters little as long as the GOP is seen as the party that wants to control women. This ruling will impact republicans outside of Arizona too View Quote Maybe instead of changing your mind and accepting the framing of their ideology, you should just change their minds. |
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So give them what they want to get elected? How does that do anything? Literal definition of pants on head retarded. Why not just become a Democrat and never lose again!? |
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Quoted: The Kansas ballot referendum keeping a right to abortion had a higher percentage of voter support (59-41) than Trump won the state with in 2020 (56-42). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/arizona-presents-a-test-of-pro-life-realism/ This is essentially the same as the situation we saw in Michigan and Wisconsin in 2022 23: A pre-Roe law with minimal exceptions was reinstated by Dobbs, the state's elected government was divided between a Democratic governor and a Republican legislature and did nothing, and the voters ended up adopting a broad pro-abortion proposition in a referendum in Michigan and turning over control of the Wisconsin supreme court to Democrats. Pro-lifers were leaderless and disorganized, pursued no coherent strategy, and got saddled with the worst of all worlds. Can Arizona's famously dysfunctional post-Ducey GOP do better? This will be a test of pro-life realism. Voters are unlikely to be at all sympathetic to just standing pat on a mid-19th-century law with no exceptions. Ideally, the legislature would make a counteroffer. Republicans narrowly control the state legislature, with a 16 14 majority in the state senate and a 31 29 majority in the state assembly. If united during a legislative session, they could pass revisions to send to Governor Katie Hobbs's desk and dare her to veto them which, as a creature of the pro-abortion lobby and party, she would likely feel bound to do. Those revisions could include popular exceptions for rape and incest. They might allow earlier abortions at least up to six weeks and maybe (if unwilling to defend a six-week ban) to a later point (15 weeks is not much of a ban and would not be my preference, but it would be better than nothing). By vetoing the exceptions, Hobbs would have to make clear that she, and not pro-lifers, is the one holding an extreme and unyielding position. Could Arizona Republicans unify around that? Unfortunately, Arizona's legislature meets only in an annual spring session, which is scheduled to end on April 20, and it follows a calendar that likely precludes any new proposals this late in the game. So, the best the legislators could likely do is get together to sign off on a proposal to be introduced later, which Hobbs would likely ignore. But it's better to send a message than to have no message at all. The top statewide Republican candidate, Kari Lake, isn't likely to offer much leadership (she just issued a statement pledging to oppose any federal abortion ban or any federal abortion funding a defensible stance for the office she is seeking but one that suggests she will try to stay out of the state-level debates). The Kansas ballot referendum keeping a right to abortion had a higher percentage of voter support (59-41) than Trump won the state with in 2020 (56-42). And at one point we either couldn't get votes (onto the ballots or into legislatures) to have shall issue CCLs or couldn't get enough votes, and that was a losing issue. Until it wasn't. Did we stop back than because it was a losing issue? ETA: self defense laws and things like that won because one side was right about reality and the other was wrong, and we provided pressure to assert reality. It is the same thing with abortion. |
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This probably won’t have the effect OP thinks it will. The AG says she won’t allow anyone to be charged under this law. Because there will be no noticeable change to abortion policies in the state, it’s not going to get the feminists fired up.
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Okay, I’ll say what many are thinking. I look around the general population of the US and I kind of wish more people would have had abortions. I’m paying for my own kids, plus a bunch of other people’s kids that are at best, nothing but a lifetime drain on our society.
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Quoted: So give them what they want to get elected? How does that do anything? Literal definition of pants on head retarded. Why not just become a Democrat and never lose again!? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: So give them what they want to get elected? How does that do anything? Literal definition of pants on head retarded. Why not just become a Democrat and never lose again!? Meh, you don't have to give them what they want, though the current path is......you know....gonna give them exactly what they want anyway. |
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Quoted: And at one point we either couldn't get votes (onto the ballots or into legislatures) to have shall issue CCLs or couldn't get enough votes, and that was a losing issue. Until it wasn't. Did we stop back than because it was a losing issue? View Quote you're probably getting close to your internet limit for the day dude... time to go do a lap around the house and cool off, keyboard guy. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I’m proud of the politically ignorant, hard core pro lifers that are lining up to adopt black and brown ghetto babies. This is such a stupid argument. No it’s not. It’s funny to see pro-lifers claim that abortion is racist but, how many of them have actually been willing to adopt an unwanted child of another race? They live in some fantasy world where someone actually wants these unwanted kids, and those kids aren’t going to spend the rest of their childhood in orphanages before becoming sociopaths from lack for proper loving upbringings. |
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So we wanted abortions left to the states, SCOTUS agrees yay! Elections are a disaster. Trump says its a states' rights issue, Yay! A State does a state thing during an election year "its the dems!" The GD tide is so confusing.
Unfortunately abortions (and each other) are our Achilles heel. At least this did not occur a month or two before the election. |
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Quoted: you're probably getting close to your internet limit for the day dude... time to go do a lap around the house and cool off, keyboard guy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: And at one point we either couldn't get votes (onto the ballots or into legislatures) to have shall issue CCLs or couldn't get enough votes, and that was a losing issue. Until it wasn't. Did we stop back than because it was a losing issue? you're probably getting close to your internet limit for the day dude... time to go do a lap around the house and cool off, keyboard guy. What's that? Post 3x as much because someone on the internet said go away, you have no life? Challenge accepted. |
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Quoted: Pretty much. The perfect is the enemy of the good. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Principles mean jack shit if you don’t get elected to office. You’re at home with your principles while the liberal that got elected is making law. Pretty much. The perfect is the enemy of the good. Is this a principal we should always uphold? |
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Quoted: The individual candidates position matters little as long as the GOP is seen as the party that wants to control women. This ruling will impact republicans outside of Arizona too View Quote Depends on if you see criminalizing rape and wife-beating as controlling men. You know, like a retard might. Many of us, including women, are perfectly capable of understanding right and wrong. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Fuck anyone who kills a baby and fuck anyone willing to win an election by ignoring baby killing. /thread Does anyone that's not working for the other side as a troll actually believe this will reduce the total of abortions that occur in AZ in a year? |
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Where'd all these lefty lunatics come from? GD is full of them.
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Quoted: Rejecting this is why conservatism in america has failed so often. It's why leftists beat our faces in. We won't sacrifice, and they KNOW it. View Quote And realizing that the sometimes the end is more important than the means is needed. Sometimes you have to lose a battle to win a war. letting them win every battle and set the rules of war makes you lose the war. The rules they will pass, hate speech, which they will get to define will turn you in to a criminal. But hey we are happy that one state banned abortions, screw the other 20 something states that voted for a republican. But it does not matter, you dont win elections, you dont get a say. |
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Quoted: The number of women who operate as if abortions are completely unavoidable, with no reasonable alternatives, has always surprised me. It's pretty much impossible for me to imagine the mindset of someone who needs on-demand abortion as an essential factor in their daily life. Yet it somehow seems to be a primary motivator for millions of women. View Quote I agree 200%. With birth control free or nearly so, if a woman wants to have sex but not a baby, avail yourself to some FUCKING BIRTH CONTROL. Also, the "right" of a woman to kill their offspring is not a right they need to have. The fuck kind of monster would want to do something like that? Again, birth control. Take it. |
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Quoted: No it’s not. It’s funny to see pro-lifers claim that abortion is racist but, how many of them have actually been willing to adopt an unwanted child of another race? They live in some fantasy world where someone actually wants these unwanted kids, and those kids aren’t going to spend the rest of their childhood in orphanages before becoming sociopaths from lack for proper loving upbringings. View Quote Why is it their responsibility to raise someone else’s kid because they think it’s wrong to murder them? You didn’t respond to the rest of my post. Do you support gun rights? Are you willing to adopt the children orphaned by gun violence? Btw, Christians adopt at 2-3x the rate of non-Christians. Abortion, no fault divorce, the lie of “no strings attached free sex, etc… all prongs of the progressive attack to destroy the nuclear family, leading to the breakdown of society. And many on here support all these things, refusing to see where it leads. You can’t have one without the other. |
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Quoted: I would prefer to have less abortions, not more. I struggle to understand how eating a ballot initiative that will open up more opportunities for abortion, later in gestation, is a win. Does anyone that's not working for the other side as a troll actually believe this will reduce the total of abortions that occur in AZ in a year? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fuck anyone who kills a baby and fuck anyone willing to win an election by ignoring baby killing. /thread Does anyone that's not working for the other side as a troll actually believe this will reduce the total of abortions that occur in AZ in a year? Compromising leftanist satanic cuck talk. Same line of reasoning has been used to justify selling out righteousness for thousands of years. May God have mercy on your soul. |
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Quoted: Yeah, God forbid people have principles and stand by them. Might as well just vote Democrat. Afterall, Democrat positions from 10 years ago are currently a big part of the current GOP platform. Giving in to the other side has worked out great. View Quote Attached File |
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Quoted: And realizing that the sometimes the end is more important than the means is needed. View Quote Well, there it is. Straight up unfiltered "The end justifies the means." You can't win like that. You can only blow your own foot off, and huff the "but we won, even though it's worse now" copium. "We have to do this wrong thing so that a right thing will happen" is never true nor necessary. Saying that is the admission that you won't sacrifice for anything. Ever. Eta: we are not God. We cannot control all outcomes. You can't force the world to be your safe space. |
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Quoted: Why is it their responsibility to raise someone else’s kid because they think it’s wrong to murder them? You didn’t respond to the rest of my post. Do you support gun rights? Are you willing to adopt the children orphaned by gun violence? Btw, Christians adopt at 2-3x the rate of non-Christians. Abortion, no fault divorce, the lie of “no strings attached free sex, etc… all prongs of the progressive attack to destroy the nuclear family, leading to the breakdown of society. And many on here support all these things, refusing to see where it leads. You can’t have one without the other. View Quote Here you go, I started a separate thread just for you. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/If-abortion-is-100-banned-in-the-US-today-what-do-we-do-with-all-the-unwanted-children-/5-2718507/?page=1#top |
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Quoted: Compromising leftanist satanic cuck talk. Same line of reasoning has been used to justify selling out righteousness for thousands of years. May God have mercy on your soul. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fuck anyone who kills a baby and fuck anyone willing to win an election by ignoring baby killing. /thread Does anyone that's not working for the other side as a troll actually believe this will reduce the total of abortions that occur in AZ in a year? Compromising leftanist satanic cuck talk. Same line of reasoning has been used to justify selling out righteousness for thousands of years. May God have mercy on your soul. How many extra abortions in calendar year 2025 are you hoping for? Happy to bet a pmag on that, though I think we'd have to wait until late 2030, since AZ is running 4 years behind on publishing stats. Where has an abortion ballot initiative lead to less? |
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Republicans can't keep any other campaign promise, but they go all-in on whatever will screw them up.
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That Planned Parenthood sign in NM is gonna get a fresh coat of paint lol
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I haven’t doomed in weeks, maybe months. Then I logged into GD and immediately doomed all over the place.
Thanks a lot guys |
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Quoted: LOL. How many extra abortions in calendar year 2025 are you hoping for? Happy to bet a pmag on that, though I think we'd have to wait until late 2030, since AZ is running 4 years behind on publishing stats. Where has an abortion ballot initiative lead to less? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fuck anyone who kills a baby and fuck anyone willing to win an election by ignoring baby killing. /thread Does anyone that's not working for the other side as a troll actually believe this will reduce the total of abortions that occur in AZ in a year? Compromising leftanist satanic cuck talk. Same line of reasoning has been used to justify selling out righteousness for thousands of years. May God have mercy on your soul. How many extra abortions in calendar year 2025 are you hoping for? Happy to bet a pmag on that, though I think we'd have to wait until late 2030, since AZ is running 4 years behind on publishing stats. Where has an abortion ballot initiative lead to less? Apparently you don't understand what Fuck anyone who kills a baby and fuck anyone willing to win an election by ignoring baby killing means, so let me repeat it: Fuck anyone who kills a baby and fuck anyone willing to win an election by ignoring baby killing. |
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