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Posted: 3/6/2023 1:27:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: I agree - but I just want to be careful about using a variant of a well-known anti-Semetic phrase on this site. Who cares about something like that? The site owners.  worrying over potential of a repurposed phrase to cause offense, no matter that it has no resemblance to the original in its new context or intention is absurd and bordering on insanity. You realize that? Just be to be careful though, I'll be sure not to use my left hand while typing since hitler was left handed  anyway, subject on it dropped so as not to derail |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 1:28:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shawnmt6601: ... subject on it dropped so as not to derail lol Too late. |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 2:12:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J-Pat: You know how I know it's Karl (or pathetic, fat body Russell) - "Bye." Literal hours later is responding to more comments to dredge up more shit to be assmad about on the Internet Yup |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 2:37:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: AK-12]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof:  Your posts are as hilarious as they are cringeworthy. Please do not stop posting. It is VERY entertaining.  (Just please do familiarize yourself with the Code of Conduct if you intend to genuinely join the site and participate, and didn't just join to play victim and drama-llama in this particular thread) Look, he clearly just enjoys NODS and is paying $500 to specifically attend this particular shoot in order to enjoy his NODS. He just wants to be sure that he'll be able to enjoy his NODS in safety. 
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Posted: 3/6/2023 2:52:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By floridacop: The guy putting the match together is the one clearly issuing death threats. Will the Chaz militia be there? They have a history with bad shoots after dark. |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 2:53:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: Will the Chaz militia be there? They have a history with bad shoots after dark. Ouch. |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 3:00:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NODSenjoyer: Doesn't know the difference between shooting a human being and shooting a piece of cardboard. Lol.. When you went straight for the “poor me PTSD” opener, you can expect some ridicule. We can’t raise your VA rating bro. And if you’re worried about sketchy people affiliated with politically motivated shootings being at the match, you should probably ask Karl about that one. |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 3:21:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: Will the Chaz militia be there? They have a history with bad shoots after dark.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 3:26:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: Will the Chaz militia be there? They have a history with bad shoots after dark. heyooooo! |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 3:30:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NODSenjoyer: Cool, we're on the same page. I'm attending to have fun shooting an interesting course of fire under my $$$ Nods and custom rifle because the NIMBYs who have moved to my rural area have made night shooting almost impossible. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume we both know that this match isn't even close to approximating a deadly encounter. If it was, I wouldn't be interested in going. You guys sound like Nancy Pelosi. Not every AR15 is an "assault weapon," some of us just use them for having fun and blowing off steam after an 80 hour week. Not every match is "combat training," even if it has an interesting course of fire that they're calling a shoothouse (nothing like a real shoothouse or the training involved in using one). Not everyone who attends InRange events is a communist pedophile, in fact I would guess that none of them are. Go outside, touch grass, talk to a girl. Try shooting for fun instead of training for "combat." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NODSenjoyer: Originally Posted By floridacop: I know the difference too. Cardboard doesn't shoot back. Cool, we're on the same page. I'm attending to have fun shooting an interesting course of fire under my $$$ Nods and custom rifle because the NIMBYs who have moved to my rural area have made night shooting almost impossible. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume we both know that this match isn't even close to approximating a deadly encounter. If it was, I wouldn't be interested in going. You guys sound like Nancy Pelosi. Not every AR15 is an "assault weapon," some of us just use them for having fun and blowing off steam after an 80 hour week. Not every match is "combat training," even if it has an interesting course of fire that they're calling a shoothouse (nothing like a real shoothouse or the training involved in using one). Not everyone who attends InRange events is a communist pedophile, in fact I would guess that none of them are. Go outside, touch grass, talk to a girl. Try shooting for fun instead of training for "combat." 87% of mass shooters are leftists. 12% are unaffiliated. It's science. |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 4:19:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: Will the Chaz militia be there? They have a history with bad shoots after dark. They only kill black people. |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 4:53:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jm11513: They only kill black people. Statistically true |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 4:59:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: waterglass]
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mooreshawnm: Are you telling us you have worked out a better and more ingenious way to cleanse the land of commie insurgents? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mooreshawnm: Originally Posted By NODSenjoyer: I was referring to the locked thread. Just scroll through until you hit the posts about woodchippers and throwing people out of helicopters. Shouldn't take long  Are you telling us you have worked out a better and more ingenious way to cleanse the land of commie insurgents? Yeah, communism. Woodchippers, helicopters… Hell the entire production of the B52 series and the entire U S godam Marine corps combined don’t have shit on the communists ability to kill communists. |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 5:04:49 PM EST
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Posted: 3/6/2023 5:15:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WildBoar: Statistically true Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WildBoar: Originally Posted By Jm11513: They only kill black people. Statistically true It’s a night shoot. Everyone there will be black. Think about it. I take it back Mr. NODsenjoyer. You definitely shouldn’t go. |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 5:31:53 PM EST
[#16]
Silhouette targets are racist.
 Attached File Attached FileOr maybe silhouette targets are actually black bloc targets? So problematic. |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 6:23:15 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J-Pat: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/960/078/313.jpg 
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Posted: 3/6/2023 6:38:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass: It’s a night shoot. Everyone there will be black. Think about it. I take it back Mr. NODsenjoyer. You definitely shouldn’t go. If they are using NODs, wont they all be green? Gotta be all racist against the aliens and shit. |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 6:41:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jm11513: If they are using NODs, wont they all be green? Gotta be all racist against the aliens and shit. Depends on whether he has a white or green phosphorous tube. Maybe he enjoys both and has one green and one white in a bridged setup. That way he can enjoy WP and GP NODS at the same time! |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 6:44:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AK-12: Depends on whether he has a white or green phosphorous tube. Maybe he enjoys both and has one green and one white in a bridged setup. That way he can enjoy WP and GP NODS at the same time! The letters WP send that crowd into an apoplectic rage. |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 7:10:05 PM EST
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Posted: 3/6/2023 7:27:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J-Pat: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/960/078/313.jpg 
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Posted: 3/6/2023 7:36:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djohn: Silhouette targets are racist. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28207/97AE94CA-F1A8-46BE-BE0B-FFDA631A29AD_jpe-2736441.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28207/00C4FCCF-6263-4E8D-92CB-286C6DFA6123_jpe-2736442.JPG Or maybe silhouette targets are actually black bloc targets? So problematic. Yes, the unconscious bias is what’s deadly, not the violent criminals who happen to commit 50%+ of violent crime, despite only constituting approximately 7% of the population |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 9:11:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: waterglass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jm11513: If they are using NODs, wont they all be green? Gotta be all racist against the aliens and shit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jm11513: Originally Posted By waterglass: It’s a night shoot. Everyone there will be black. Think about it. I take it back Mr. NODsenjoyer. You definitely shouldn’t go. If they are using NODs, wont they all be green? Gotta be all racist against the aliens and shit. That’s classist Bourgeoisie pigdog speak. It must be cleansed to ensure the glorious revolution remains pure. besides they will probably use up all the batteries making meth and powering their dildoes. Antifa Secure Facility penetration expert doing night work? Sounds like a Copper thief symposium to me. |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 9:15:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/1664721447235193-2577157.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By J-Pat: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/960/078/313.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/1664721447235193-2577157.jpg 
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Posted: 3/6/2023 10:51:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass: So you’re worried that arfcommers are Going to air assault you with Chinooks towing industrial wood chipping equipment? I mean it seems unlikely… I mean I never thought I would see adults in black lulu lemon defending gay burlesque shows for children with ARs so I guess it’s possible. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass: Originally Posted By NODSenjoyer: I was referring to the locked thread. Just scroll through until you hit the posts about woodchippers and throwing people out of helicopters. Shouldn't take long So you’re worried that arfcommers are Going to air assault you with Chinooks towing industrial wood chipping equipment? I mean it seems unlikely… I mean I never thought I would see adults in black lulu lemon defending gay burlesque shows for children with ARs so I guess it’s possible.   |
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Posted: 3/7/2023 1:35:45 AM EST
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"I want to shoot my $$$ NODs so I am going to spend 500 bucks for a few minutes total of trigger time..."
Or, OR you can stop being a basement dwelling, commie LARPing sperg and make friends with normal people who will gladly invite you out to shoot with them at night, of course most of those people are scary, right wing death squad members though so watch your back. Lol |
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Posted: 3/7/2023 7:33:07 AM EST
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I gave my son KE Arms lower on one of his birthdays. Then I showed him this thread. He immediately took the lower off, stripped it and put another lower on. He said he doesn't want anything made by a furry.
I had the lower for at least 5 years before any of this came out. Good job Karl and Russel, you're bleeding current and future gun buyers. Keep supporting the politically left and you'll be out of business soon. I don't think the harm you've done to your reputation is repairable. Funny that dude said arkommers are violent extremists who are going to assault him at a match on the same day antifa burns down a construction site. |
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Posted: 3/7/2023 8:36:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: floridacop]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djohn: Silhouette targets are racist. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28207/97AE94CA-F1A8-46BE-BE0B-FFDA631A29AD_jpe-2736441.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28207/00C4FCCF-6263-4E8D-92CB-286C6DFA6123_jpe-2736442.JPG Or maybe silhouette targets are actually black bloc targets? So problematic. This was addressed several years ago by Ned calling his local Sheriff's Office to complain about the switch from black targets. NSFW.  Ned Calls Black Targets |
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Posted: 3/7/2023 9:52:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickeydown: He said he doesn't want anything made by a furry. Russell is a furry too? This thread has regained my attention. 
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Posted: 3/7/2023 11:42:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickeydown: Funny that dude said arkommers are violent extremists who are going to assault him at a match on the same day antifa burns down a construction site. a training site for law enforcement which will be the guys he hopes to come rescue him from the evil right wingers..... lol |
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Posted: 3/7/2023 12:05:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bedouin2W: Russell is a furry too? This thread has regained my attention. https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/008/913/sopranos.png Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bedouin2W: Originally Posted By mickeydown: He said he doesn't want anything made by a furry. Russell is a furry too? This thread has regained my attention. https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/008/913/sopranos.png He has posted that KE employees furries, at least. |
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Posted: 3/7/2023 12:06:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AK-12: Is this thread about to get mobbed with Karl's Communist Cretins like the last one did? Nah. They're all preoccupied with committing domestic terrorism and/or being arrested at "Cop City". |
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Posted: 3/7/2023 12:30:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brachiosaur: https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/spit-take-gif-13.gif Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brachiosaur: Originally Posted By waterglass: Originally Posted By NODSenjoyer: I was referring to the locked thread. Just scroll through until you hit the posts about woodchippers and throwing people out of helicopters. Shouldn't take long So you’re worried that arfcommers are Going to air assault you with Chinooks towing industrial wood chipping equipment? I mean it seems unlikely… I mean I never thought I would see adults in black lulu lemon defending gay burlesque shows for children with ARs so I guess it’s possible. https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/spit-take-gif-13.gif Back in the fifth grade when my teacher would tell me “in the future, anything is possible,” these weren’t the possibilities that my little mind was picturing. |
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Posted: 3/7/2023 10:37:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By floridacop: This was addressed several years ago by Ned calling his local Sheriff's Office to complain about the switch from black targets. NSFW.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x1vgMm24WIQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By floridacop: Originally Posted By djohn: Silhouette targets are racist. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28207/97AE94CA-F1A8-46BE-BE0B-FFDA631A29AD_jpe-2736441.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28207/00C4FCCF-6263-4E8D-92CB-286C6DFA6123_jpe-2736442.JPG Or maybe silhouette targets are actually black bloc targets? So problematic. This was addressed several years ago by Ned calling his local Sheriff's Office to complain about the switch from black targets. NSFW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x1vgMm24WI
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Posted: 3/7/2023 11:11:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NODSenjoyer: Cool, we're on the same page. I'm attending to have fun shooting an interesting course of fire under my $$$ Nods and custom rifle because the NIMBYs who have moved to my rural area have made night shooting almost impossible. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume we both know that this match isn't even close to approximating a deadly encounter. If it was, I wouldn't be interested in going. You guys sound like Nancy Pelosi. Not every AR15 is an "assault weapon," some of us just use them for having fun and blowing off steam after an 80 hour week. Not every match is "combat training," even if it has an interesting course of fire that they're calling a shoothouse (nothing like a real shoothouse or the training involved in using one). Not everyone who attends InRange events is a communist pedophile, in fact I would guess that none of them are. Go outside, touch grass, talk to a girl. Try shooting for fun instead of training for "combat." *goes out to train for combat by doing some fun shooting* |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 2:43:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: waterglass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: "the 2A applies to everyone" as a philosophical answer and "I, as an individual or organization, have no duty to arm or train specific individuals or groups with whom I have irreconcilable differences about the nature of government, society, and the political economy" as a practical/policy answer are not contradictory. The Satanist and The Fat Man are doing a Motte and Bailey fallacy by trying to confuse the two. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: "the 2A applies to everyone" as a philosophical answer and "I, as an individual or organization, have no duty to arm or train specific individuals or groups with whom I have irreconcilable differences about the nature of government, society, and the political economy" as a practical/policy answer are not contradictory. The Satanist and The Fat Man are doing a Motte and Bailey fallacy by trying to confuse the two. The motte-and-bailey fallacy (named after the motte-and-bailey castle) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy where an arguer conflates two positions that share similarities, one modest and easy to defend (the "motte") and one much more controversial and harder to defend (the "bailey").[1] The arguer advances the controversial position, but when challenged, they insist that they are only advancing the more modest position.[2][3] Upon retreating to the motte, the arguer can claim that the bailey has not been refuted (because the critic refused to attack the motte)[1] or that the critic is unreasonable (by equating an attack on the bailey with an attack on the motte) I didn’t know that it had a formal classification as a rhetorical device. I guess what always kinda makes me squishy on burning a bridge over what someone believes is that it boils down to intention. People can be wrong because their perception is trapped inside a fallacy. I mean functionally it’s moot if they are wrong because of a failure of perception or because they are using rhetoric to intentionally manipulate people. Either way, If your ideology requires victims to function then I oppose it. But, everyone has foibles. Foibles are inherently part of human nature. Self deception is the waters we swim in to make life something coherent and our choices morally acceptable. A lot of people can’t grasp the reality of what they believe. Intentional deception in order to subvert the morality of others is evil. That’s what it is. Think snake and the tree of knowledge. Being a useful idiot is just sad. Karl’s a turd either way. Just saying. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 9:38:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: floridacop]
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Just to continue to point out that Karl says so much he either can't keep it straight or outright lies, this is from reddit and would culminate in when he posted the video of him burning his German camo smock a couple weeks ago:
This meme was posted 14 days ago:  Attached FileKarl replied with:  Attached Fileand a link to Karl burning his inrange tv smock. Well, lets look again at what Karl actually did: On December 19th, Karl shares this meme posted by business partner and Inrange paid collaborator Sinsitral Rifleman.  Attached FileMost everyone here recognized Administrative Results in the upper right corner of the meme. Karl responds to a poster in that same thread:  Attached FileSpecifically asking if he meant the top right indicating that the poster liked Nazis as Nazis are represented, apparently in Karl's view, by Administrative Results. Karl, always the victim, cries he was called a Nazi and forgets what he even posted. I am really surprised Admin let it go considering that Karl really just chimed in directly with Admin after this blew up on social media to thank Admin for allowing Karl to be the victim. Remember, Karl can do no wrong. "I never said anything about him, actually. I was called a nazi..." Such a damn liar. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 11:49:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By floridacop: So it looks like some of Karl's fans are now saying they're afraid to attend Midnight Brutality because of "legit threats" from here and doing "threat assessments"   Karl chimes in to say not attending would be to "let them win"  Midnight Brutality only $500 per person. LOL I started hosting night shoot matches and charged a whopping $40 per shooter for 4 epic high round count field course style USPSA stages. One had the shooter riding in a trailer behind a Gator as the Gator "escaped" from zombies over a 100 yard stretch and you had to engage zombies as they appeared from behind you with targets scored just like USPSA for accuracy.  On the beep the driver took off and you had to engage these poppers as they recede and new targets pop into view on both sides of you.  We did some cool shit! If Karl is going beyond that in terms of stage challenge he's going to end up with people getting shot unless they're limiting it to people with proven NVG experience. Everyone thinks they can be a ninja until they get in the dark and do unknown shit. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 8:51:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lomshek: Midnight Brutality only $500 per person. LOL I started hosting night shoot matches and charged a whopping $40 per shooter for 4 epic high round count field course style USPSA stages. One had the shooter riding in a trailer behind a Gator as the Gator "escaped" from zombies over a 100 yard stretch and you had to engage zombies as they appeared from behind you with targets scored just like USPSA for accuracy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84345/100_3556_JPG-2739222.jpg On the beep the driver took off and you had to engage these poppers as they recede and new targets pop into view on both sides of you. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84345/100_3557_JPG-2739223.jpg We did some cool shit! If Karl is going beyond that in terms of stage challenge he's going to end up with people getting shot unless they're limiting it to people with proven NVG experience. Everyone thinks they can be a ninja until they get in the dark and do unknown shit. There has been a lot of talk about the entry fee when compared to other matches, even national level ones. I guess 500 bucks for a Brutality match put on by Karl, with his practical experience in using and shooting in no light/NODs environments is not too much. Of course he is paying 1Shepherd and using a training facility for the match. Still disappointed to see 1Shepherd still partnering with Karl, but their guys have been ROs at other brutality matches, so their is a friendship there I guess. Personally, attending a night shoot with people using white lights for the poors and various types of and generations of night vision devices, combined with various backgrounds and experiences in a competition, not training venue would be a hard pass from me. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 10:32:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: J-Pat]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By floridacop: There has been a lot of talk about the entry fee when compared to other matches, even national level ones. I guess 500 bucks for a Brutality match put on by Karl, with his practical experience in using and shooting in no light/NODs environments is not too much. Of course he is paying 1Shepherd and using a training facility for the match. Still disappointed to see 1Shepherd still partnering with Karl, but their guys have been ROs at other brutality matches, so their is a friendship there I guess. Personally, attending a night shoot with people using white lights for the poors and various types of and generations of night vision devices, combined with various backgrounds and experiences in a competition, not training venue would be a hard pass from me. We literally do this where I'm from. It's $20 a person. Not $500. Usually it's two courses of fire, i.e. two stages a night; 2ish hours of open range, and usually a dot torture drill for the new guys so we can make sure they're not doing anything obviously stupid. Let's say we doubled the cost to $40; and did 4 stages and 2 skills drills/qualifiers, and 4 hours of open range. To make things simple; let's do 2 hours of daylight range time and 2 hours of darkness range time 60 people ran last event. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 10:40:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lomshek: Midnight Brutality only $500 per person. LOL I started hosting night shoot matches and charged a whopping $40 per shooter for 4 epic high round count field course style USPSA stages. One had the shooter riding in a trailer behind a Gator as the Gator "escaped" from zombies over a 100 yard stretch and you had to engage zombies as they appeared from behind you with targets scored just like USPSA for accuracy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84345/100_3556_JPG-2739222.jpg On the beep the driver took off and you had to engage these poppers as they recede and new targets pop into view on both sides of you. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84345/100_3557_JPG-2739223.jpg We did some cool shit! If Karl is going beyond that in terms of stage challenge he's going to end up with people getting shot unless they're limiting it to people with proven NVG experience. Everyone thinks they can be a ninja until they get in the dark and do unknown shit. That's a fuckin understatement. 
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Posted: 3/9/2023 11:53:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J-Pat: We literally do this where I'm from. It's $20 a person. Not $500. Usually it's two courses of fire, i.e. two stages a night; 2ish hours of open range, and usually a dot torture drill for the new guys so we can make sure they're not doing anything obviously stupid. Let's say we doubled the cost to $40; and did 4 stages and 2 skills drills/qualifiers, and 4 hours of open range. To make things simple; let's do 2 hours of daylight range time and 2 hours of darkness range time 60 people ran last event. My using NODs is extremely dated and goes back to being in the military in the mid 80s to mid 90s. We used them in exercises, and in Korea on midnight shift some NCOs could check them out of the armory and use them while on Fire Teams (Osan the old Fox 1 and Fox 2 fireteams circa 88-89). Anyway, curious how they are gonna a run a match with the shooting and administrative tasks under no light, low light or adding white light. Transitioning from well lit areas to whatever the natural or ambient lighting conditions should be interesting. We use to have a fam fire portion of our Night Rifle qualification that was shot at the very end of night fire. This would be the old USAF Security Police Course that started with day fire and transitioned to night fire. The fam fire as using a weapon mounted IR laser (thing was a box about the size of a 2x4 that mounted under the barrel in place of the lower handguards on the A2) andwe used it with NVGs to fam fire about 10 rounds. When we did the night fire portion it was natural light and then the fam fire. They would only use 1 or 2 of the IR Lasers mounted usually on the lowest ranking Airmen's rifles (sorry but you get the extra rounds and little more cleaning one striper). Before we began, we had to just sit on the bench at the range for like 20 minutes and let our eyes adjust to the night lighting conditions, and I will probably show my age here, but let our eyes develop some "visual purple". The CATM guys had flashlights with red lenses, that they only used when needed for safety checks or admin tasks and also had the NVG's for the later fam fire. I just think this match will be interesting in how they will move shooters around to different stages and if the entire range area will be no light/low light to prevent "spillage" from the areas where staging and travel from range to range will occur. Safety wise, it would be a pass from me. Hell it sounds like Karl is going to do it with some digital night vision he just acquired and may not have much time with. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 12:02:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By floridacop: My using NODs is extremely dated and goes back to being in the military in the mid 80s to mid 90s. We used them in exercises, and in Korea on midnight shift some NCOs could check them out of the armory and use them while on Fire Teams (Osan the old Fox 1 and Fox 2 fireteams circa 88-89). Anyway, curious how they are gonna a run a match with the shooting and administrative tasks under no light, low light or adding white light. Transitioning from well lit areas to whatever the natural or ambient lighting conditions should be interesting. We use to have a fam fire portion of our Night Rifle qualification that was shot at the very end of night fire. This would be the old USAF Security Police Course that started with day fire and transitioned to night fire. The fam fire as using a weapon mounted IR laser (thing was a box about the size of a 2x4 that mounted under the barrel in place of the lower handguards on the A2) andwe used it with NVGs to fam fire about 10 rounds. When we did the night fire portion it was natural light and then the fam fire. They would only use 1 or 2 of the IR Lasers mounted usually on the lowest ranking Airmen's rifles (sorry but you get the extra rounds and little more cleaning one striper). Before we began, we had to just sit on the bench at the range for like 20 minutes and let our eyes adjust to the night lighting conditions, and I will probably show my age here, but let our eyes develop some "visual purple". The CATM guys had flashlights with red lenses, that they only used when needed for safety checks or admin tasks and also had the NVG's for the later fam fire. I just think this match will be interesting in how they will move shooters around to different stages and if the entire range area will be no light/low light to prevent "spillage" from the areas where staging and travel from range to range will occur. Safety wise, it would be a pass from me. Hell it sounds like Karl is going to do it with some digital night vision he just acquired and may not have much time with. Hell, compare the flashlights of then to the ones of today. Karl's Digital NV setup is "JuSt aS GuuD!" - and if I had to guess, the reason he's running it is because it has inbuilt recording, despite crap performance - compared to Gen 3 / 3+ Unfilmed units. It costs more or less the same as Gen3, but with much worse low light performance. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 1:25:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J-Pat: They're not like this at all anymore. The boxes are about the size of an index card, maybe 1/2" deep, and mount on top. Current crop even Civilian NV would blow what you are used to away. Like anything, they get better over time. Hell, compare the flashlights of then to the ones of today. q Karl's Digital NV setup is "JuSt aS GuuD!" - and if I had to guess, the reason he's running it is because it has inbuilt recording, despite crap performance - compared to Gen 3 / 3+ Unfilmed units. It costs more or less the same as Gen3, but with much worse low light performance. 100% agree. With the GWOT and the war in Iraq, Night Vision definitely grew in quality and more widespread use. The AN/PEQ series is a huge advancement over what was fielded in the early 90s. And there will probably be some guys there that actually used them over there. Karl and Russell having their hand in a setting up a match and apparently relying on 1Shepherd to help run the match where there is no standard for night vision with a minimum acceptable performance standard that may impact performance and safety? The guy running ancient Russian stuff or a Starlight scope? No thanks, here's my TQ and a chest seal, I'll be napping in the car. |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 11:22:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lomshek: Midnight Brutality only $500 per person. LOL I started hosting night shoot matches and charged a whopping $40 per shooter for 4 epic high round count field course style USPSA stages. One had the shooter riding in a trailer behind a Gator as the Gator "escaped" from zombies over a 100 yard stretch and you had to engage zombies as they appeared from behind you with targets scored just like USPSA for accuracy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84345/100_3556_JPG-2739222.jpg On the beep the driver took off and you had to engage these poppers as they recede and new targets pop into view on both sides of you. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84345/100_3557_JPG-2739223.jpg We did some cool shit! If Karl is going beyond that in terms of stage challenge he's going to end up with people getting shot unless they're limiting it to people with proven NVG experience. Everyone thinks they can be a ninja until they get in the dark and do unknown shit. I wish I lived closer! That looks like a lot of fun. |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 11:27:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/1664721447235193-2577157.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By J-Pat: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/960/078/313.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/1664721447235193-2577157.jpg I will appropriate your meme comrade. Thank you for your contribution. |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 12:54:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By floridacop: No thanks, here's my TQ and a chest seal, I'll be napping in the car. You might still be too close. It's amusing that the people with communist sympathies get capitalism better than some of us here. Why is it $500 per person? Because people will pay it. If demand is at the sell-out point, raise the price until demand meets supply. It's working too! $500 took a lot of us out of the demand pool, didn't it? The Silver State Challenge (a car race) went this route too. |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 2:32:12 PM EST
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Often, high match fees are the price you pay for cool prize tables. IIRC someone will walk away from that NV match with a new MAWL. BE Meyers didn't give it to them for free.
I decided a long time ago that I'd be better off shooting cheaper matches for the experience and camaraderie, and just buy whatever gear I want, vs. treating a match fee like an expensive raffle ticket. |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 4:46:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Terrato: Often, high match fees are the price you pay for cool prize tables. IIRC someone will walk away from that NV match with a new MAWL. BE Meyers didn't give it to them for free. I decided a long time ago that I'd be better off shooting cheaper matches for the experience and camaraderie, and just buy whatever gear I want, vs. treating a match fee like an expensive raffle ticket. You are not lying! I've had more fun at the free bowling pin shoot which gives the winner a cheap plastic trophy than the paid-for-it sporting clays with a shotgun-I-didn't-even-want first prize. I was even competitive at the sporting clays back then too, I had a chance to win. That chance to win is, I think, what ruined it because it became a quest for the prize and not to have fun. Honestly soured me on using my shotgun at all. |
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