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Posted: 9/6/2015 10:39:52 PM EDT
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So for these identical charges through Private MD labs the cost is $144.00 after the 15% discount
These go through lab corp. You tell me, Private MD labs contracts with Lab corp Lab corp and Private MD labs both make money otherwise they wouldn't do it, right? So you tell me why a hospital lab has to charge this much money? $1859.00??????????? |
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Posted: 9/6/2015 10:56:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy: So for these identical charges through Private MD labs the cost is $144.00 after the 15% discount These go through lab corp. You tell me, Private MD labs contracts with Lab corp Lab corp and Private MD labs both make money otherwise they wouldn't do it, right? So you tell me why a hospital lab has to charge this much money? $1859.00??????????? |
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Posted: 9/6/2015 11:45:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Holden_McRoyne:
Insurance has a negotiated rate, so what they end up paying probably $144, or even less. That $1859 price is so that when they bill for an uninsured patent, the one who actually pays covers the cost for the other 9 who don't. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Holden_McRoyne:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
So for these identical charges through Private MD labs the cost is $144.00 after the 15% discount These go through lab corp. You tell me, Private MD labs contracts with Lab corp Lab corp and Private MD labs both make money otherwise they wouldn't do it, right? So you tell me why a hospital lab has to charge this much money? $1859.00??????????? Exactly. You should see the cost of a single advil administered by the hospital. |
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Posted: 9/6/2015 11:56:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Exactly. You should see the cost of a single advil administered by the hospital. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By Holden_McRoyne:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
So for these identical charges through Private MD labs the cost is $144.00 after the 15% discount These go through lab corp. You tell me, Private MD labs contracts with Lab corp Lab corp and Private MD labs both make money otherwise they wouldn't do it, right? So you tell me why a hospital lab has to charge this much money? $1859.00??????????? Exactly. You should see the cost of a single advil administered by the hospital. It's not just covering the cost of the uninsured or dead beat payers. The cost of that advil includes the facility costs and the cost of all of the human resources involved in the delivery of the pill (physician, pharmacy, nurse, etc.). |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 1:07:31 AM EDT
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Private Md - "Hormonal Panel for Males" - Is that the bloodwork that should be done?
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Posted: 9/7/2015 2:15:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
I was off a little , it was $1859.00 Here are the charges Date Transaction Amount September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - CBC NO CHARGE HGB-HCT $0.00 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - COMPREHEN METABOLIC PANEL $191.75 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - LIPID PROFILE $141.50 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - GLYCOSYLATED HEMOGLOBIN $81.05 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - PSA, SCREENING $69.70 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - ESTRADIOL,SERUM $157.35 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - FSH $174.45 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - LH(LUTEINIZING HORMONE) $197.00 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - VITAMIN D,25-HYDROXY $177.40 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - INSULIN LIKE GROWTH FACTOR $87.10 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - TESTOSTERONE FREE $133.05 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - TESTOSTERONE TOTAL $132.75 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - VENIPUNCTURE $10.80 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - SEX HORMONE BINDING GLOB. $257.90 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - CBC &PLT $47.70 Total Balance (Billed transactions) $1859.50 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
I have new insurance, they cover everything T related ( I was shocked) So I didn't need to pull my own labs through Private MD lab I looked at the hospital portal to get my blood work results, I can also see the billing of those labs too, they billed my insurance $1847.00 for the lab work I paid $144.00 through Private MD labs? JHC? Anyway that was not my question My last T injection was Aug 30th 2pm I waited until today at 2Pm to drop my T level some My blood was pulled on 9-2-15 3 whole days after my T injection of a 1/2 ml My T came back at 1102 I have been doing a 1/2 ml twice per week for 6 months , before I was doing just 1 ml once per week What do you guys think my T level would have dropped to today prior to my shot? "I looked at the hospital portal to get my blood work results, I can also see the billing of those labs too, they billed my insurance $1847.00 for the lab work I paid $144.00 through Private MD labs?" My God, medicine is REALLY out of control in the US. Here are the charges Date Transaction Amount September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - CBC NO CHARGE HGB-HCT $0.00 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - COMPREHEN METABOLIC PANEL $191.75 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - LIPID PROFILE $141.50 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - GLYCOSYLATED HEMOGLOBIN $81.05 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - PSA, SCREENING $69.70 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - ESTRADIOL,SERUM $157.35 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - FSH $174.45 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - LH(LUTEINIZING HORMONE) $197.00 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - VITAMIN D,25-HYDROXY $177.40 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - INSULIN LIKE GROWTH FACTOR $87.10 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - TESTOSTERONE FREE $133.05 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - TESTOSTERONE TOTAL $132.75 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - VENIPUNCTURE $10.80 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - SEX HORMONE BINDING GLOB. $257.90 September 2, 2015 Charge Pending - CBC &PLT $47.70 Total Balance (Billed transactions) $1859.50 HAH! They prolly sent it to LabCorp--- Profit! |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 12:59:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Retzam: Private Md - "Hormonal Panel for Males" - Is that the bloodwork that should be done?
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Posted: 9/7/2015 1:07:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By medicmandan:
It's not just covering the cost of the uninsured or dead beat payers. The cost of that advil includes the facility costs and the cost of all of the human resources involved in the delivery of the pill (physician, pharmacy, nurse, etc.). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By Holden_McRoyne:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
So for these identical charges through Private MD labs the cost is $144.00 after the 15% discount These go through lab corp. You tell me, Private MD labs contracts with Lab corp Lab corp and Private MD labs both make money otherwise they wouldn't do it, right? So you tell me why a hospital lab has to charge this much money? $1859.00??????????? Exactly. You should see the cost of a single advil administered by the hospital. It's not just covering the cost of the uninsured or dead beat payers. The cost of that advil includes the facility costs and the cost of all of the human resources involved in the delivery of the pill (physician, pharmacy, nurse, etc.). A single pill costing as much as entire bottle? No, that's called extreme markup. What's funny is we have a mechanic that we sub out when we don't have time to work on our equipment. He had to go to the hospital for an illness for something I don't remember exactly. The hospital billed him and his insurance 3 dosages of an antibiotic totaling upwards of 3k via intravenous delivery. The thing is, the antibiotic that they said they gave him would have killed him within minutes of it being given to him. They also charged him for the use of 12 q-tips at a nice cost of $17 EACH! And Oh, they never once used one on him. , |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 5:23:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy: This one
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy: Originally Posted By Retzam: Private Md - "Hormonal Panel for Males" - Is that the bloodwork that should be done?
Fast for 24 hours and no ejaculation for 24 hours prior to this test? I think i read that somewhere. I'd like to go to the doctor WITH results so they dont screw me on lab pricing and be prepared myself. |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 5:44:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Retzam: Fast for 24 hours and no ejaculation for 24 hours prior to this test? I think i read that somewhere. I'd like to go to the doctor WITH results so they dont screw me on lab pricing and be prepared myself. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Retzam: Originally Posted By jrzy: Originally Posted By Retzam: Private Md - "Hormonal Panel for Males" - Is that the bloodwork that should be done?
Fast for 24 hours and no ejaculation for 24 hours prior to this test? I think i read that somewhere. I'd like to go to the doctor WITH results so they dont screw me on lab pricing and be prepared myself. should fast for 12-14 hours before collection of the specimen. If using a testosterone cream please be sure you have not rubbed any into the antecubital area of your arm for the last 24 hours as it can give elevated results. For accurate test results, no ejaculation during the 24 hours preceding the test. |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 5:45:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
So for these identical charges through Private MD labs the cost is $144.00 after the 15% discount These go through lab corp. You tell me, Private MD labs contracts with Lab corp Lab corp and Private MD labs both make money otherwise they wouldn't do it, right? So you tell me why a hospital lab has to charge this much money? $1859.00??????????? Your insurance will knock it down to about 150-200 because they have negotiated rates. The sad thing is if you don't have insurance they will try to break that number off in you. From past experience if you're not using PrivateMD labs, labcorp will ask for a CC upfront so they can bill you for the difference after they bill your insurance. I had a lab order from my doc one day, so I was using insurance. The problem is labcorp's billing department is incompetent, they'll have to resubmit charges 2 and 3 times because they screw up the bills. I've seen the activity on my blue cross account, it's every time I use labcorp and my insurance. What do you think will happen if they have a CC on file to cover the bill. Yep they'll just nail your card for $1800+ and tell you to figure it out with your insurance company. |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 6:21:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run: Your insurance will knock it down to about 150-200 because they have negotiated rates. The sad thing is if you don't have insurance they will try to break that number off in you. From past experience if you're not using PrivateMD labs, labcorp will ask for a CC upfront so they can bill you for the difference after they bill your insurance. I had a lab order from my doc one day, so I was using insurance. The problem is labcorp's billing department is incompetent, they'll have to resubmit charges 2 and 3 times because they screw up the bills. I've seen the activity on my blue cross account, it's every time I use labcorp and my insurance. What do you think will happen if they have a CC on file to cover the bill. Yep they'll just nail your card for $1800+ and tell you to figure it out with your insurance company. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run: Originally Posted By jrzy: So for these identical charges through Private MD labs the cost is $144.00 after the 15% discount These go through lab corp. You tell me, Private MD labs contracts with Lab corp Lab corp and Private MD labs both make money otherwise they wouldn't do it, right? So you tell me why a hospital lab has to charge this much money? $1859.00??????????? Your insurance will knock it down to about 150-200 because they have negotiated rates. The sad thing is if you don't have insurance they will try to break that number off in you. From past experience if you're not using PrivateMD labs, labcorp will ask for a CC upfront so they can bill you for the difference after they bill your insurance. I had a lab order from my doc one day, so I was using insurance. The problem is labcorp's billing department is incompetent, they'll have to resubmit charges 2 and 3 times because they screw up the bills. I've seen the activity on my blue cross account, it's every time I use labcorp and my insurance. What do you think will happen if they have a CC on file to cover the bill. Yep they'll just nail your card for $1800+ and tell you to figure it out with your insurance company. I called Private MD labs, they took care of it with in an hour or so. |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 7:10:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Patient Instructions: Patient should fast for 12-14 hours before collection of the specimen. If using a testosterone cream please be sure you have not rubbed any into the antecubital area of your arm for the last 24 hours as it can give elevated results. For accurate test results, no ejaculation during the 24 hours preceding the test. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By Retzam:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By Retzam:
Private Md - "Hormonal Panel for Males" - Is that the bloodwork that should be done?
Fast for 24 hours and no ejaculation for 24 hours prior to this test? I think i read that somewhere. I'd like to go to the doctor WITH results so they dont screw me on lab pricing and be prepared myself. I haven't ever heard of no ejaculation for 24 hours before the test. Does it raise or lower your T? Or is it affect other test results? |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 8:01:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG: I haven't ever heard of no ejaculation for 24 hours before the test. Does it raise or lower your T? Or is it affect other test results? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG: Originally Posted By jrzy: Originally Posted By Retzam: Originally Posted By jrzy: Originally Posted By Retzam: Private Md - "Hormonal Panel for Males" - Is that the bloodwork that should be done?
Fast for 24 hours and no ejaculation for 24 hours prior to this test? I think i read that somewhere. I'd like to go to the doctor WITH results so they dont screw me on lab pricing and be prepared myself. I haven't ever heard of no ejaculation for 24 hours before the test. Does it raise or lower your T? Or is it affect other test results? |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 8:01:55 PM EDT
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That's what I would think. Not sure though.
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Posted: 9/7/2015 9:21:04 PM EDT
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Where you guys ordering insulin syringes/needles from? I grabbed a box off Amazon and apparently wasn't paying close attention and ordered 100 insulin pen needles. Just placed an order through Healthwarehouse.com for 100 30g needles with 1cc syringes for $17 shipped. Are there better deals out there?
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Posted: 9/7/2015 10:06:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By medicmandan:
Where you guys ordering insulin syringes/needles from? I grabbed a box off Amazon and apparently wasn't paying close attention and ordered 100 insulin pen needles. Just placed an order through Healthwarehouse.com for 100 30g needles with 1cc syringes for $17 shipped. Are there better deals out there? I use allegro medical for needles and syringes. Alcohol wipes and other things I just get off Amazon. |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 12:58:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By medicmandan:
Where you guys ordering insulin syringes/needles from? I grabbed a box off Amazon and apparently wasn't paying close attention and ordered 100 insulin pen needles. Just placed an order through Healthwarehouse.com for 100 30g needles with 1cc syringes for $17 shipped. Are there better deals out there? Case lots on eBay. Needle length isn't particularly critical ---other than if it's too short--- just stick it in the appropriate amount. Still 17 cents a shot isn't going to change your life I expect... |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 12:58:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Case lots on eBay. Needle length isn't particularly critical ---other than if it's too short--- just stick it in the appropriate amount. Still 17 cents a shot isn't going to change your life I expect... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Where you guys ordering insulin syringes/needles from? I grabbed a box off Amazon and apparently wasn't paying close attention and ordered 100 insulin pen needles. Just placed an order through Healthwarehouse.com for 100 30g needles with 1cc syringes for $17 shipped. Are there better deals out there? Case lots on eBay. Needle length isn't particularly critical ---other than if it's too short--- just stick it in the appropriate amount. Still 17 cents a shot isn't going to change your life I expect... No, but I'm a cheap SOB. 
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Posted: 9/8/2015 1:00:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By medicmandan: Where you guys ordering insulin syringes/needles from? I grabbed a box off Amazon and apparently wasn't paying close attention and ordered 100 insulin pen needles. Just placed an order through Healthwarehouse.com for 100 30g needles with 1cc syringes for $17 shipped. Are there better deals out there? Come on man really? And you should have gotten 1/2" Unless of course you have a lot of fat? |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 1:20:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Better than .17 cents each? Come on man really? And you should have gotten 1/2" Unless of course you have a lot of fat? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Where you guys ordering insulin syringes/needles from? I grabbed a box off Amazon and apparently wasn't paying close attention and ordered 100 insulin pen needles. Just placed an order through Healthwarehouse.com for 100 30g needles with 1cc syringes for $17 shipped. Are there better deals out there? Come on man really? And you should have gotten 1/2" Unless of course you have a lot of fat? I went with the 5/16". |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 10:11:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
So for these identical charges through Private MD labs the cost is $144.00 after the 15% discount These go through lab corp. You tell me, Private MD labs contracts with Lab corp Lab corp and Private MD labs both make money otherwise they wouldn't do it, right? So you tell me why a hospital lab has to charge this much money? $1859.00??????????? I switched doctors, and I told my doc that and he agreed for me to just use Lab Corp for blood test and just bring him the results. Going through Hospital it was costing 500 out of pocket. The new doc prescribed me a higher dose. Went from 1ML at 100MG to 1ML at 200MG. So I can cut down how much I inject, and get the same results.
Now I just got to man up and start injecting myself in my stomach. 
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Posted: 9/8/2015 1:43:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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My family doc thinks my getting/using PriMDLab's is "unethical" but goes over them with me anyhow.
My HRT doc never said a word abt them and we just use them, and they like me to update with new ones. I cherry pick the lab results I want them each to see... LOL [Sounds like something that would be posted on 'Scary Moms'] |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 1:46:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RedBones:
I switched doctors, and I told my doc that and he agreed for me to just use Lab Corp for blood test and just bring him the results. Going through Hospital it was costing 500 out of pocket. The new doc prescribed me a higher dose. Went from 1ML at 100MG to 1ML at 200MG. So I can cut down how much I inject, and get the same results.
Now I just got to man up and start injecting myself in my stomach. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RedBones:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
So for these identical charges through Private MD labs the cost is $144.00 after the 15% discount These go through lab corp. You tell me, Private MD labs contracts with Lab corp Lab corp and Private MD labs both make money otherwise they wouldn't do it, right? So you tell me why a hospital lab has to charge this much money? $1859.00??????????? I switched doctors, and I told my doc that and he agreed for me to just use Lab Corp for blood test and just bring him the results. Going through Hospital it was costing 500 out of pocket. The new doc prescribed me a higher dose. Went from 1ML at 100MG to 1ML at 200MG. So I can cut down how much I inject, and get the same results.
Now I just got to man up and start injecting myself in my stomach. Not to be picky
But... "Went from 1ML at 100MG to 1ML at 200MG. " Is meaningless without a time factor... [Day, 3 days, week, year, month, etc] 
Sort of like saying "I've got a FAST car ---it goes 75 miles" |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 9:36:23 PM EDT
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LOL
Every 4 days. My Endo hated me getting my own test. And thought T at 388 was good. So I fired him and my family doctor is treating me now. |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 12:04:51 PM EDT
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Well, Total 199, Free 35. I feel like shit.
And that's with 100mg/14 days. IM. Gonna have to go up on the dose. Way up. Fun fun! |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 12:40:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rugerlvr:
Well, Total 199, Free 35. I feel like shit. And that's with 100mg/14 days. IM. Gonna have to go up on the dose. Way up. Fun fun! Injections shouldn't be any more than 7 days apart. |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 1:31:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rugerlvr:
Well, Total 199, Free 35. I feel like shit. And that's with 100mg/14 days. IM. Gonna have to go up on the dose. Way up. Fun fun! After 7 days that 100mg is gone. So you're spending the next 7 with your nuts not producing and your shot not providing. My place does double that, as a starting point, every 7 days. I asked the guy why start so high, his response was "we'd start a 60 year old on 100mg a week. You're young and healthy, other than low T, so you get what you need." |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 5:03:02 PM EDT
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Good advice guys. I'll take it to the doc Monday.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 6:19:45 PM EDT
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When I started TRT, my doctor did the same with prescribing the injections two weeks apart. I'd be great for the first few days and then my levels would crash for the entire second week. Switching to every 7 days made a big difference. I can still tell that my levels are decreasing towards the end of each injection cycle, but it's tolerable. Some posters in this discussion say that they inject twice a week to minimize the peaks and valleys. I just prefer to minimize the number of times I have to puncture myself.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 6:23:00 PM EDT
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I don't much care about injections. My wife is a nurse, and she does it for me. It only hurts once in a while when she hits a nerve. Yow!
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Posted: 9/9/2015 6:24:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shane333:
When I started TRT, my doctor did the same with prescribing the injections two weeks apart. I'd be great for the first few days and then my levels would crash for the entire second week. Switching to every 7 days made a big difference. I can still tell that my levels are decreasing towards the end of each injection cycle, but it's tolerable. Some posters in this discussion say that they inject twice a week to minimize the peaks and valleys. I just prefer to minimize the number of times I have to puncture myself. My GP first had me doing 100mg every three weeks. |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 6:32:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By medicmandan:
My GP first had me doing 100mg every three weeks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
When I started TRT, my doctor did the same with prescribing the injections two weeks apart. I'd be great for the first few days and then my levels would crash for the entire second week. Switching to every 7 days made a big difference. I can still tell that my levels are decreasing towards the end of each injection cycle, but it's tolerable. Some posters in this discussion say that they inject twice a week to minimize the peaks and valleys. I just prefer to minimize the number of times I have to puncture myself. My GP first had me doing 100mg every three weeks. Your GP was either painfully ignorant or a sadist. |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 6:45:09 PM EDT
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A lot of guys are fans of 2x/week injections. I hate injections so it's my opinion that I should just use how ever much it takes to still feel good at the end of 1 week. For me that's a lot but my blood work looks good and has been stable for 2 yrs now so I can't find any reason to put up with a lower dose.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 6:47:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shane333:
Your GP was either painfully ignorant or a sadist. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
When I started TRT, my doctor did the same with prescribing the injections two weeks apart. I'd be great for the first few days and then my levels would crash for the entire second week. Switching to every 7 days made a big difference. I can still tell that my levels are decreasing towards the end of each injection cycle, but it's tolerable. Some posters in this discussion say that they inject twice a week to minimize the peaks and valleys. I just prefer to minimize the number of times I have to puncture myself. My GP first had me doing 100mg every three weeks. Your GP was either painfully ignorant or a sadist. Probably both. Shane Have you tried insulin pins to inject? I'm using them and with a 29G needle the there is very little concern about muscle damage. The only problem I've had is about 1 out of 10 the needle feels like it has a burr on it. Hurts a little but most of the time it's painless. |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 7:59:59 PM EDT
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If you pull the plunger out on the slin pin and fill it with another larger syringe it makes it really easy.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 8:26:38 PM EDT
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So my GP who had agreed to treat my low T and get educated on the protocols freaked out today when he got my labs
My T was 1102 , a day after my T shot, he saw my hematocrit hit 55 and thinks it way too high (I agree) Donating blood on the 14th anyway I went to donate a month ago and my BP was good bt my pulse was up some at 101 and they would not let me donate as it has to be under 100 (fuck me) So now he's afraid he'll lose his license if I have a stroke LOL He said he does not really go by the hematocrit level but rather the Hemoglobin level mine was 18.0 GM/DL the scale is 11.8-17.1 so he said it wasn't that high but needs to come down. Man I wish there was a way to get this down at home. My wife is a phlebotomist but is a little worried doing it and we don't have the right kit for a "donation" Any thoughts on getting some blood gone ? And no slitting my wrists is out LOL Also whats a good way to get my pulse down, it has always ran high |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 8:33:04 PM EDT
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Your wife could easily do it with a needle, tubing and a mason jar. There's youtubes on it. That's all I'm saying
My clinic will do blood draws if my hgb gets too high so I lucked out there. You could ask your doc to prescribe a therapeutic pleb and have your wife do it at the job maybe? |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 8:53:49 PM EDT
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What are you guys seeing in SHBG levels while on T?
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Posted: 9/9/2015 9:21:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
What are you guys seeing in SHBG levels while on T? Mine were 16.something when I started in February. Went over 17 for the second time in a row 3 weeks ago and they made me give blood before they'd give another shot. |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 11:50:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
So my GP who had agreed to treat my low T and get educated on the protocols freaked out today when he got my labs My T was 1102 , a day after my T shot, he saw my hematocrit hit 55 and thinks it way too high (I agree) Donating blood on the 14th anyway I went to donate a month ago and my BP was good bt my pulse was up some at 101 and they would not let me donate as it has to be under 100 (fuck me) So now he's afraid he'll lose his license if I have a stroke LOL He said he does not really go by the hematocrit level but rather the Hemoglobin level mine was 18.0 GM/DL the scale is 11.8-17.1 so he said it wasn't that high but needs to come down. Man I wish there was a way to get this down at home. My wife is a phlebotomist but is a little worried doing it and we don't have the right kit for a "donation" Any thoughts on getting some blood gone ? And no slitting my wrists is out LOL Also whats a good way to get my pulse down, it has always ran high
Would you like me to post the vid how to do your own phlebotomy??? Again??? All you need is a 16 or 18 ga needle, a couple inches of silicone tubing [fuel line] to couple the needle flange and the vinyl tubing [makes it a lot easier], some 3/16 ID vinyl tubing, a mason jar lid/with holes for the tubing and a vent and ring, and a 1 qt jar. Masking tape to pre calibrate the jar. Very simple and easy. You need to get your wife to start thinking outside the box... She can maintain plausible deniability by not touching you, just 'monitoring'. 
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:48:57 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37: Would you like me to post the vid how to do your own phlebotomy??? Again??? All you need is a 16 or 18 ga needle, a couple inches of silicone tubing [fuel line] to couple the needle flange and the vinyl tubing [makes it a lot easier], some 3/16 ID vinyl tubing, a mason jar lid/with holes for the tubing and a vent and ring, and a 1 qt jar. Masking tape to pre calibrate the jar. Very simple and easy. You need to get your wife to start thinking outside the box... She can maintain plausible deniability by not touching you, just 'monitoring'. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37: Originally Posted By jrzy: So my GP who had agreed to treat my low T and get educated on the protocols freaked out today when he got my labs My T was 1102 , a day after my T shot, he saw my hematocrit hit 55 and thinks it way too high (I agree) Donating blood on the 14th anyway I went to donate a month ago and my BP was good bt my pulse was up some at 101 and they would not let me donate as it has to be under 100 (fuck me) So now he's afraid he'll lose his license if I have a stroke LOL He said he does not really go by the hematocrit level but rather the Hemoglobin level mine was 18.0 GM/DL the scale is 11.8-17.1 so he said it wasn't that high but needs to come down. Man I wish there was a way to get this down at home. My wife is a phlebotomist but is a little worried doing it and we don't have the right kit for a "donation" Any thoughts on getting some blood gone ? And no slitting my wrists is out LOL Also whats a good way to get my pulse down, it has always ran high Would you like me to post the vid how to do your own phlebotomy??? Again??? All you need is a 16 or 18 ga needle, a couple inches of silicone tubing [fuel line] to couple the needle flange and the vinyl tubing [makes it a lot easier], some 3/16 ID vinyl tubing, a mason jar lid/with holes for the tubing and a vent and ring, and a 1 qt jar. Masking tape to pre calibrate the jar. Very simple and easy. You need to get your wife to start thinking outside the box... She can maintain plausible deniability by not touching you, just 'monitoring'. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 12:42:54 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Probably both. Shane Have you tried insulin pins to inject? I'm using them and with a 29G needle the there is very little concern about muscle damage. The only problem I've had is about 1 out of 10 the needle feels like it has a burr on it. Hurts a little but most of the time it's painless. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
When I started TRT, my doctor did the same with prescribing the injections two weeks apart. I'd be great for the first few days and then my levels would crash for the entire second week. Switching to every 7 days made a big difference. I can still tell that my levels are decreasing towards the end of each injection cycle, but it's tolerable. Some posters in this discussion say that they inject twice a week to minimize the peaks and valleys. I just prefer to minimize the number of times I have to puncture myself. My GP first had me doing 100mg every three weeks. Your GP was either painfully ignorant or a sadist. Probably both. Shane Have you tried insulin pins to inject? I'm using them and with a 29G needle the there is very little concern about muscle damage. The only problem I've had is about 1 out of 10 the needle feels like it has a burr on it. Hurts a little but most of the time it's painless. No, haven't tried the insulin pins. So far I've had my best results using a 25G needle. Any more thin and I'd worry about the needle snapping during the injection. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 12:45:02 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shane333:
No, haven't tried the insulin pins. So far I've had my best results using a 25G needle. Any more thin and I'd worry about the needle snapping during the injection. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
When I started TRT, my doctor did the same with prescribing the injections two weeks apart. I'd be great for the first few days and then my levels would crash for the entire second week. Switching to every 7 days made a big difference. I can still tell that my levels are decreasing towards the end of each injection cycle, but it's tolerable. Some posters in this discussion say that they inject twice a week to minimize the peaks and valleys. I just prefer to minimize the number of times I have to puncture myself. My GP first had me doing 100mg every three weeks. Your GP was either painfully ignorant or a sadist. Probably both. Shane Have you tried insulin pins to inject? I'm using them and with a 29G needle the there is very little concern about muscle damage. The only problem I've had is about 1 out of 10 the needle feels like it has a burr on it. Hurts a little but most of the time it's painless. No, haven't tried the insulin pins. So far I've had my best results using a 25G needle. Any more thin and I'd worry about the needle snapping during the injection. Slin pins just bend. Not that I've ever been dumb enough to do something like that... |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 1:32:27 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
yeah where is that video? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
So my GP who had agreed to treat my low T and get educated on the protocols freaked out today when he got my labs My T was 1102 , a day after my T shot, he saw my hematocrit hit 55 and thinks it way too high (I agree) Donating blood on the 14th anyway I went to donate a month ago and my BP was good bt my pulse was up some at 101 and they would not let me donate as it has to be under 100 (fuck me) So now he's afraid he'll lose his license if I have a stroke LOL He said he does not really go by the hematocrit level but rather the Hemoglobin level mine was 18.0 GM/DL the scale is 11.8-17.1 so he said it wasn't that high but needs to come down. Man I wish there was a way to get this down at home. My wife is a phlebotomist but is a little worried doing it and we don't have the right kit for a "donation" Any thoughts on getting some blood gone ? And no slitting my wrists is out LOL Also whats a good way to get my pulse down, it has always ran high
Would you like me to post the vid how to do your own phlebotomy??? Again??? All you need is a 16 or 18 ga needle, a couple inches of silicone tubing [fuel line] to couple the needle flange and the vinyl tubing [makes it a lot easier], some 3/16 ID vinyl tubing, a mason jar lid/with holes for the tubing and a vent and ring, and a 1 qt jar. Masking tape to pre calibrate the jar. Very simple and easy. You need to get your wife to start thinking outside the box... She can maintain plausible deniability by not touching you, just 'monitoring'.
About 24 pages back IIRC... |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 4:13:09 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shane333:
No, haven't tried the insulin pins. So far I've had my best results using a 25G needle. Any more thin and I'd worry about the needle snapping during the injection. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
When I started TRT, my doctor did the same with prescribing the injections two weeks apart. I'd be great for the first few days and then my levels would crash for the entire second week. Switching to every 7 days made a big difference. I can still tell that my levels are decreasing towards the end of each injection cycle, but it's tolerable. Some posters in this discussion say that they inject twice a week to minimize the peaks and valleys. I just prefer to minimize the number of times I have to puncture myself. My GP first had me doing 100mg every three weeks. Your GP was either painfully ignorant or a sadist. Probably both. Shane Have you tried insulin pins to inject? I'm using them and with a 29G needle the there is very little concern about muscle damage. The only problem I've had is about 1 out of 10 the needle feels like it has a burr on it. Hurts a little but most of the time it's painless. No, haven't tried the insulin pins. So far I've had my best results using a 25G needle. Any more thin and I'd worry about the needle snapping during the injection. They really are easier. I've never snapped one and I do daily injections. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 4:16:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jrzy]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37: Would there be much waste from pressure injection systems when it comes to loading them, etc.? Maybe SubQ might not be so intimidating. Very simple, there are areas there is no sensation I've found to the left and right of the belly button. Also a short needle is used. Might be worth the psychological investment. Plane, I used to piss around for 1/2 an hour or more, getting up the courage before even pricking my finger for a Wal-Mart DIY cholesterol test.  Now, I may -or may not, have developed the 'courage' to slip a 16 ga needle in my vein for a DIY phlebotomy [home blood letting] of a pint or so for hematocrit management. After a couple times not a big deal.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI9Q1HjIdPk&feature=youtu.beSelf Bleed Topic Try this ---Separates the Men from the boys...  ETA, no need for a cuff, just a modest wrap to keep the BP in the arm somewhere between systolic and diastolic. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 5:18:07 PM EDT
[#48]
Was my 24 page guess -close?
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Posted: 9/10/2015 5:32:15 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
Do I remeber one of yall doing HGH in addition to T? If so what brought that about and how's it going? Been reading some interesting articles on Sermorelin Acetate and what all it can do for you. I think a doc would say I'm too young for it at 32. But he said that about my T levels of an 87 year old too. I take growth hormone but it is because of a pituitary issue. I don't have any experience with the peptides though. If you think getting a doc that can handle low T is tough try getting one that can manage growth hormone, thyroid, testosterone, and cortisol. 
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Posted: 9/10/2015 5:34:22 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sparky:
I take growth hormone but it is because of a pituitary issue. I don't have any experience with the peptides though. If you think getting a doc that can handle low T is tough try getting one that can manage growth hormone, thyroid, testosterone, and cortisol. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sparky:
Originally Posted By cowboy:
Do I remeber one of yall doing HGH in addition to T? If so what brought that about and how's it going? Been reading some interesting articles on Sermorelin Acetate and what all it can do for you. I think a doc would say I'm too young for it at 32. But he said that about my T levels of an 87 year old too. I take growth hormone but it is because of a pituitary issue. I don't have any experience with the peptides though. If you think getting a doc that can handle low T is tough try getting one that can manage growth hormone, thyroid, testosterone, and cortisol. My doctor hates me. I make her learn....
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