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TN, USA
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Posted: Today 7:49:31 PM EDT
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Usurping the voice of the American voter doesn’t sound like the way to secure “democracy”.
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PA, USA
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Posted: Today 7:49:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mooreshawnm: LOL the guys that couldn't suppress the goat herders are going to control this beast. Not so much. Ya I'll go with this answer also. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: Today 7:50:19 PM EDT
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FAFO
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Posted: Today 7:53:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Are we supposed to disobey trump’s orders or obey them? I’m confused. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Pepperidge farms recalls last time around when there were those meetings and briefings in the military where they were talking about... IIRC ... disobeying his orders. Obama purging the top brass and replacing them with crazy lefties has consquences. Are we supposed to disobey trump’s orders or obey them? I’m confused. Ukrainians don’t take orders from POTUS, you’ll be ok. |
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USA
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Posted: Today 7:59:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Nick_Adams]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By foxxnhound: You are in the guard, you can just stay home. What are they going to do, send the State Police to arrest you for not showing up? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By foxxnhound: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Are we supposed to disobey trump’s orders or obey them? I’m confused. You are in the guard, you can just stay home. What are they going to do, send the State Police to arrest you for not showing up? When Katrina hit NOLA, most cops, firefighters, and Nat. Guard stayed home with their families and didn’t report. No arrests made. “Duty to report” to work is mostly a bluff from an enforcement perspective. |
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Posted: Today 8:12:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: He’s not the commander in chief of the us military. Trump was from 2017-2021. Was milley a bad guy for disobeying trump? He was ready to commit an act of treason by giving the chicoms a head up should Trump have ordered any military action against the chicoms. Given Trump didnt order any stupid actions of the chicoms, that degree of TDS made milley unfit for any command. So would you have agreed with milley? Yes or no Its that simple. |
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Posted: Today 8:19:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: What order did he disobey? Anyway, good on anyone who follows their oath in swearing allegiance to defend the Constitution. Instead of *some jackass* wanting loyalty to only himself. Ok troll, or commie. You were OK with millie saying he would have notified the chicoms if Trump had ordered milit action against the chicoms. WHICH HE NEVER DID. But you cannot seem to comprehend that. But you cannot get over your trump derangement syndrome. So you would be fine with engaging in acts of treason, so no surprise really with you, after seeing all your bullshit over the past few years on this site. You have some major issues with a detachment from reality, at best. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: Today 8:25:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmyInfantryVet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JQ66: Ok troll, or commie. You were OK with millie saying he would have notified the chicoms if Trump had ordered milit action against the chicoms. WHICH HE NEVER DID. But you cannot seem to comprehend that. But you cannot get over your trump derangement syndrome. So you would be fine with engaging in acts of treason, so no surprise really with you, after seeing all your bullshit over the past few years on this site. You have some major issues with a detachment from reality, at best. It was about heading off a possible Chinese first strike on the US as a pre-emptive measure by China that was worried Trump would do anything to stay in power. Your definition of treason seems: "He wasn't totally loyal to Mein Trump!" |
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Posted: Today 8:32:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JQ66: Ok troll, or commie. You were OK with millie saying he would have notified the chicoms if Trump had ordered milit action against the chicoms. WHICH HE NEVER DID. But you cannot seem to comprehend that. But you cannot get over your trump derangement syndrome. So you would be fine with engaging in acts of treason, so no surprise really with you, after seeing all your bullshit over the past few years on this site. You have some major issues with a detachment from reality, at best. |
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USA
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Posted: Today 8:33:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Isenhelm]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OTHP: Ya I'll go with this answer also. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OTHP: Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: LOL the guys that couldn't suppress the goat herders are going to control this beast. Not so much. Ya I'll go with this answer also. It is most likely not necessary for our global enemies, including domestic enemies and their agents.. to completely destroy the USA outright swiftly militarily in order to win. Just think how successful a civil conflict would be to our global enemies. We dont have to be annihilated outright in conflict, just weakened and distracted enough for the global enemies to pile on and take full advantage of a USA that cannot interfere in their action anywhere else while in conflict at home. |
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Posted: Today 8:35:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mooreshawnm: LOL the guys that couldn't suppress the goat herders are going to control this beast. Not so much.  Attached File |
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Posted: Today 8:36:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: What order did he disobey? Anyway, good on anyone who follows their oat to swear allegiance to defend the Constitution. Instead of *some jackass* wanting loyalty to only himself. I believe he said he wouldn’t obey orders from trump if it involved china. I find it fascinating the double standards. |
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Posted: Today 8:39:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fadedsun]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riply21: national guard working under state orders. Were you on fed or state orders when you were showing off the live ammo they gave you in DC in threads on here. Fed orders. Where was I showing off anything? I also “showed off” eating at Buffalo Wild Wings. There’s an entire thread full of people showing off live rounds and weapons that are carried that was pointed out earlier. Are they “showing off” too?  Miley is a traitor for saying he wouldn’t obey trump’s orders and having back channel communication with the CCP. Am I a traitor for obeying Trump’s lawful commands? If I had disobeyed trump’s lawful command I’d be a traitor and a hero. There’s no winning here  |
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MI, USA
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Posted: Today 8:42:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmyInfantryVet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: I believe he said he wouldn't obey orders from trump if it involved china. I find it fascinating the double standards. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: What order did he disobey? Anyway, good on anyone who follows their oat to swear allegiance to defend the Constitution. Instead of *some jackass* wanting loyalty to only himself. I believe he said he wouldn't obey orders from trump if it involved china. I find it fascinating the double standards. Yeah. I guess she should have been totally happy with allowing the nuking of China and causing the destruction of global civilization if he got such a dumbass order. 
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CHN
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Posted: Today 8:44:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morlawn66: If you have a general overview type plan on an insurrection posted on the net you evidently can self- dismiss it if it isn't actually executed ? People caught up in conspiracies or plots to do illegal things get prosecuted all the time but not the TIP. Absolutely am not squaring this up in my mind , J6 was the largest FIB investigation in history and this gets nothing . They were planning to do the exact same thing. J6 was just a protest that turned into a minor riot/capital tour. |
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Posted: Today 8:44:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: It was about heading off a possible Chinese first strike on the US as a pre-emptive measure by China that was worried Trump would do anything to stay in power. Your definition of treason seems: "He wasn't totally loyal to Mein Trump!" The constitution that we all swore to makes POTUS the head of military, and as such until relieved via the 25th Amendment or removed via conviction following impeachment has the absolute authority to do so. Good, bad or indifferent that is the oath we all swore, and inability to follow that oath should result in removal from office. |
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Posted: Today 8:47:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeJGA: The goat herders had a safe haven in Pakistan and got money, weapons and training from Iran, Pakistan and China. Who's gonna support us? They won't show the same restraint or follow any ROE domestically. |
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Posted: Today 8:48:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Morlawn66]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: J6 was just a protest that turned into a minor riot/capital tour. Correct . I should have stated the TIP version of J6 would have been much worse and sustained , an actual insurrection . |
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Posted: Today 8:49:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach: I was an active duty regular USAF Captain and directly disobeyed a direct illegal order by my O5 commander. He ordered me in person with multiple witness's . I told him no I am not doing that and that was an illegal order and I was going to the JAG and walked away while he was yelling at me. It wasnt fun. It's a long story but the JAG did not get involved and he dropped it because he knew he was dead wrong and I prevailed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By ExFed1811: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Soldiers have a duty to disobey illegal orders. When has that ever actually happened? No one sure objected much in the last 80 years. It wasnt fun. It's a long story but the JAG did not get involved and he dropped it because he knew he was dead wrong and I prevailed.  Good man. That’s not as easy as people make it out to be! |
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USA
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Posted: Today 8:51:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: J6 was just a protest that turned into a minor riot/capital tour. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By Morlawn66: If you have a general overview type plan on an insurrection posted on the net you evidently can self- dismiss it if it isn't actually executed ? People caught up in conspiracies or plots to do illegal things get prosecuted all the time but not the TIP. Absolutely am not squaring this up in my mind , J6 was the largest FIB investigation in history and this gets nothing . They were planning to do the exact same thing. J6 was just a protest that turned into a minor riot/capital tour. Well it was a protest that was intentionally manipulated by Feds into a minor riot/capital tour. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: Today 8:53:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: The constitution that we all swore to makes POTUS the head of military, and as such until relieved via the 25th Amendment or removed via conviction following impeachment has the absolute authority to do so. Good, bad or indifferent that is the oath we all swore, and inability to follow that oath should result in removal from office. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: It was about heading off a possible Chinese first strike on the US as a pre-emptive measure by China that was worried Trump would do anything to stay in power. Your definition of treason seems: "He wasn't totally loyal to Mein Trump!" The constitution that we all swore to makes POTUS the head of military, and as such until relieved via the 25th Amendment or removed via conviction following impeachment has the absolute authority to do so. Good, bad or indifferent that is the oath we all swore, and inability to follow that oath should result in removal from office. Millie telling the Chinese he would obstruct the carrying out an illegal order, to preserve peace, is 100% loyal to his Oath. |
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Posted: Today 8:54:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: It was about heading off a possible Chinese first strike on the US as a pre-emptive measure by China that was worried Trump would do anything to stay in power. Your definition of treason seems: "He wasn't totally loyal to Mein Trump!" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Originally Posted By JQ66: Ok troll, or commie. You were OK with millie saying he would have notified the chicoms if Trump had ordered milit action against the chicoms. WHICH HE NEVER DID. But you cannot seem to comprehend that. But you cannot get over your trump derangement syndrome. So you would be fine with engaging in acts of treason, so no surprise really with you, after seeing all your bullshit over the past few years on this site. You have some major issues with a detachment from reality, at best. It was about heading off a possible Chinese first strike on the US as a pre-emptive measure by China that was worried Trump would do anything to stay in power. Your definition of treason seems: "He wasn't totally loyal to Mein Trump!" Treason. Every world leader should be afraid that the President of the United States might take them out. Anytime. But then you have Joe. Where is he, by the way? Rudderless fucking ship for 3.5 years. |
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CHN
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Posted: Today 8:58:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: It was about heading off a possible Chinese first strike on the US as a pre-emptive measure by China that was worried Trump would do anything to stay in power. Your definition of treason seems: "He wasn't totally loyal to Mein Trump!" Sounds like a liar who was committing treason. |
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Posted: Today 9:00:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Millie telling the Chinese he would obstruct the carrying out an illegal order, to preserve peace, is 100% loyal to his Oath. The president has the absolute right to order strike of another nation Whether it is wise or not does not fucking mater, as POTUS he has constitutional authority to do so for any reason To believe he legally cannot order a strike for any reason is either to not have fielty to the constitution or not understand it. |
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Posted: Today 9:02:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fadedsun]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: They won't show the same restraint or follow any ROE domestically. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: They won't show the same restraint or follow any ROE domestically. Actual history shows otherwise. Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Yeah. I guess she should have been totally happy with allowing the nuking of China and causing the destruction of global civilization if he got such a dumbass order. That’s his call until he is relieved and it would have been legal for him until the inauguration. |
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Posted: Today 9:02:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Yeah. I guess she should have been totally happy with allowing the nuking of China and causing the destruction of global civilization if he got such a dumbass order. Except he didn't get such an order. All he did was conspire with the communist PRC. |
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Posted: Today 9:02:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Soldiers have a duty to disobey illegal orders. My Lai comes to mind for soldiers disobeying illegal orders. Soldiers are trained to follow blindly, most will. The leaders will worry about it after the smoke clears. |
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Posted: Today 9:03:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socio: Well it was a protest that was intentionally manipulated by Feds into a minor riot/capital tour. True. Then manipulated for propaganda. |
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CHN
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Posted: Today 9:04:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Actual history shows otherwise. What actual history shows this? |
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Posted: Today 9:05:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Southernman077: I can't wait to have a battlefield pickup M240 or Karl G!  Hmm........good thing I have a truck |
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Posted: Today 9:08:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: What actual history shows this? Numerous DSCA and other missions that have gone on over the last 8 years. I’ve been to 4 of those briefs. Can you tell me what I was supposed to be told? |
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Posted: Today 9:09:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Millie telling the Chinese he would obstruct the carrying out an illegal order, to preserve peace, is 100% loyal to his Oath. Millie hadn't received any such order. He was just conspiring with the communist Chinese. Any such order would have been constitutional. Millie refusing to execute the order would have been insubordination and perhaps more. But no order was given. And Millie talking to the Chinese in advance of any such order is treason. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: Today 9:09:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmyInfantryVet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: The president has the absolute right to order strike of another nation Whether it is wise or not does not fucking mater, as POTUS he has constitutional authority to do so for any reason To believe he legally cannot order a strike for any reason is either to not have fielty to the constitution or not understand it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Millie telling the Chinese he would obstruct the carrying out an illegal order, to preserve peace, is 100% loyal to his Oath. The president has the absolute right to order strike of another nation Whether it is wise or not does not fucking mater, as POTUS he has constitutional authority to do so for any reason To believe he legally cannot order a strike for any reason is either to not have fielty to the constitution or not understand it. It is within a service members discretion to say that order is illegal and not carry it out. If the President is out on a military patrol and orders a guy to shoot a kid that looked at him funny. The Soldier is 100% within his right to say "Sir, I'm not doing that". |
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Posted: Today 9:12:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Numerous DSCA and other missions that have gone on over the last 8 years. I’ve been to 4 of those briefs. Can you tell me what I was supposed to be told? What are the facts related to that and how does that prove anything? I'm not sure what any briefings would prove. It's clear to me that the gloves will be off domestically when things go down. |
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Posted: Today 9:14:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: It is within a service members discretion to say that order is illegal and not carry it out. If the President is out on a military patrol and orders a guy to shoot a kid that looked at him funny. The Soldier is 100% within his right to say "Sir, I'm not doing that". But that's not what happened. No order was given. Yet he was still conspiring with China. Had he been ordered by Trump he could have refused, and then been replaced due to insubordination. If prior coordination with China came to light, it seems to me he could be charged with treason. |
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Posted: Today 9:16:16 PM EDT
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The nevertrump trust for bureaucrats is quite amazing.
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Posted: Today 9:16:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morlawn66: How did they escape Sedition charges ? It was an Insurrection in the making . They had plans that far exceeded anything Trump did . They were all in , BLM and ANTIFA were all spooled up to do it . "Well , actual events on J6 outweigh what might have been " as said by the left. We'll see in several months . Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morlawn66: Originally Posted By mancat: John Podesta and TIP were wargaming a west coast secession movement if Trump won the office in a landslide in 2020 https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/08/02/democrats-war-game-for-election-includes-west-coast-secession-possible-civil-war-john-podesta/ How did they escape Sedition charges ? It was an Insurrection in the making . They had plans that far exceeded anything Trump did . They were all in , BLM and ANTIFA were all spooled up to do it . "Well , actual events on J6 outweigh what might have been " as said by the left. We'll see in several months . |
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Posted: Today 9:17:51 PM EDT
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They are floating the defeatist propaganda to suppress the vote. Don't fall for it. Vote and let God sort em' out.
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Posted: Today 9:19:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: It's not treason if you win? Make no mistake, there was a coup on J6. It just wasn't the people there protesting. And it was successful. Russia collusion coup. Ukraine phone call coup. 2020 coup (covid response, BLM riots, unconstitutional changes to voting in key states, etc) Then the follow ups, what they did with J6, etc. |
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Posted: Today 9:21:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Are we supposed to disobey trump’s orders or obey them? I’m confused. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Pepperidge farms recalls last time around when there were those meetings and briefings in the military where they were talking about... IIRC ... disobeying his orders. Obama purging the top brass and replacing them with crazy lefties has consquences. Are we supposed to disobey trump’s orders or obey them? I’m confused. I hope you get a performance review on your board ops. 
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FM, USA
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Posted: Today 9:21:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MrGoodkat]
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I will listen. I like Mike Benz.
All I can say without listening is that there is no way they will let Trump take power. The machine here overthrows random countries all over the world for far, far less. It's naive to think they can't or won't do it here. Trump with ultimate diplomatic power? Vivek in charge of whatever 3 letter agencies Trump appointments him to? Bobby Kennedy bending the FDA over a barrel and exposing the CIA? Elon putting corrupt .gov spending under a microscope? Yeah right. Not gonna happen. I just don't know how they will stop it. I'm legit scared for these guys. They better not ever get on the same plane together. |
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Posted: Today 9:21:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mooreshawnm: LOL the guys that couldn't suppress the goat herders are going to control this beast. Not so much. They won’t have the ROE they had with Haji….they can go full Dirlewanger on the CHUDs and a blind eye will be turned to it all. Question is….what percentage of front line troops will be with the program. |
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Posted: Today 9:22:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ExFed1811: When has that ever actually happened? No one sure objected much in the last 80 years. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ExFed1811: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Soldiers have a duty to disobey illegal orders. When has that ever actually happened? No one sure objected much in the last 80 years. |
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Posted: Today 9:23:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Need4Guns: I watched half the video. Anyone with eyes and a brain knows what went on in '20 and knows what's likely to happen in '24. I don't need someone to tell me that. I'm actually intrigued at the remote possibility of the PTB allowing him to "win". To what end? Interesting times indeed. @Need4Guns Hit the back half when you can. He goes over other scenarios that are varying levels of doability and likliness. It's interesting. |
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Posted: Today 9:24:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: You'd get mass resignations. But like the Navy SEALs killing political opponents thing. Yeah, unfortunately the President could promote until he finally gets the crazy be needs to run and execute that order Which is why it's good to not have Presidents be given king immunity. But here we are..... No we arent. And Milly wasnt planning to disobey illegal orders. |
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Posted: Today 9:24:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VidaEterna: Usurping the voice of the American voter doesn’t sound like the way to secure “democracy”. "Democracy" to the globalists means that the globalists get to rule. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: Today 9:24:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmyInfantryVet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: That's his call until he is relieved and it would have been legal for him until the inauguration. Yeah, totally. I agree POTUS can give that order. Troops not being given agency or discretion about whether to carry it out is what I disagree with. POTUS can also just relieve them and find someone who will. |
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Posted: Today 9:26:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Millie telling the Chinese he would obstruct the carrying out an illegal order, to preserve peace, is 100% loyal to his Oath. Non sense. |
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Posted: Today 9:28:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fadedsun]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: What are the facts related to that and how does that prove anything? I'm not sure what any briefings would prove. It's clear to me that the gloves will be off domestically when things go down. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: What are the facts related to that and how does that prove anything? I'm not sure what any briefings would prove. It's clear to me that the gloves will be off domestically when things go down. Briefings show what is acceptable conduct and the standard and establish a history. Besides wild claims what do you have that backs up your statements? Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: I hope you get a performance review on your board ops. The citizens consistently deem me fit to receive a paycheck every month. I guess I passed  |
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Posted: Today 9:29:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: It is within a service members discretion to say that order is illegal and not carry it out. If the President is out on a military patrol and orders a guy to shoot a kid that looked at him funny. The Soldier is 100% within his right to say "Sir, I'm not doing that". If he believed it was an illegal order, then he could make the decision to not carry it out. However, that is not what he said. Luckily the chairman is not in the Operational Chain of Command. It is POTUS to SECDEF to the Commander US Strategic Command. |
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