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Posted: 5/13/2021 1:44:21 PM EST
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as someone that spends a lot of time in Poland and can see first hand the communist style right beside the old world style ... it is ugly as fuck and almost depressing once you are out in it enough ... seriously all you guys saying you would love "brutalism and cubism" in your cities should go see it's application in real life ..... it sucks
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Posted: 5/13/2021 1:44:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I kind of like Brutalism. https://www.fodors.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/BrutalistArchitecture__HERO_shutterstock_757094938.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This thread needs more brutalism: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d3/de/c3/d3dec3356691423d07a39285a3d49b9a.jpg I kind of like Brutalism. https://www.fodors.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/BrutalistArchitecture__HERO_shutterstock_757094938.jpg One of my favorite collection of buildings in the world is the Empire State Plaza in Albany. Fucking stunning in person. 
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Posted: 5/13/2021 1:49:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't mean to split hairs but "Art Moderne" is a specific style from a specific period. The term "modern art" is more generic - I has been used in the past reference to many forms including Art Deco, Post-Impressionism, etc., and every new style has had its share of detractors. I think most of us like Van Gogh paintings, and the architecture of the accoutrements of Hoover Dam. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Every piece of art that has ever been made was modern at the time. "Modern Art" refers to a rather specific period, hence why there is now "Post-modern art." There will be a new name for the next generation as well. Maybe it will be "New Mill" for "New Millennium" or something. I don't mean to split hairs but "Art Moderne" is a specific style from a specific period. The term "modern art" is more generic - I has been used in the past reference to many forms including Art Deco, Post-Impressionism, etc., and every new style has had its share of detractors. I think most of us like Van Gogh paintings, and the architecture of the accoutrements of Hoover Dam. I'm not particularly fond of much of the post-1860 movements. I respect the pioneers who did things first, but after that it's mostly people that couldn't hack it in anything that takes talent. (I'll make an exception for Manet, who was talented but made the decision to go splotchy.) So I can respect someone that wants, say, a Jackson Pollock. I have utter disdain for anyone that wants something "like" a Jackson Pollock.  I like things that are a representation of the artist's skill, whether it is bronze, ivory, or painting. I don't like haphazard nonsense people put up for a "splash of color" or some such heresy. |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 1:53:21 PM EST
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I'm gonna get way too caught up in this thread because I planned on making this thread since I've done nothing but splurge on paintings, sculpture, and antique furniture for the last six months... and OP's video is required watching.
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Posted: 5/13/2021 1:57:39 PM EST
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Just hung this over the weekend. I'm guessing most here wouldn't like it.
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Posted: 5/13/2021 1:59:18 PM EST
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Stupid people post videos on the Internet to brag that they don’t know what “Modern Art” means.
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:04:35 PM EST
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:07:35 PM EST
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This monstrosity, titled Okeanos, was made by a British sculptor named William Tucker. It's 13 feet tall, and weighs 3,500 pounds. It was COMMISSIONED for $200,000 in 1987.
It was placed in front of Scripps Green Hospital in La Jolla, CA until 2001, when pressure from patients, staff, and donors convinced Scripps management to wish it into the corn field where few people would see it. Behold. I'll give you three guesses what nickname people gave it, and the first two don't count. 
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:08:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This monstrosity, titled Okeanos, was made by a British sculptor named William Tucker. It's 13 feet tall, and weighs 3,500 pounds. It was COMMISSIONED for $200,000 in 1987. It was placed in front of Scripps Green Hospital in La Jolla, CA until 2001, when pressure from patients, staff, and donors convinced Scripps management to wish it into the corn field where few people would see it. Behold. I'll give you three guesses what nickname people gave it, and the first two don't count. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1087/giant_turd_sculpture-1940913.jpg |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:09:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This monstrosity, titled Okeanos, was made by a British sculptor named William Tucker. It's 13 feet tall, and weighs 3,500 pounds. It was COMMISSIONED for $200,000 in 1987. It was placed in front of Scripps Green Hospital in La Jolla, CA until 2001, when pressure from patients, staff, and donors convinced Scripps management to wish it into the corn field where few people would see it. Behold. I'll give you three guesses what nickname people gave it, and the first two don't count. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1087/giant_turd_sculpture-1940913.jpg |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:14:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: not "Modern Art" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This monstrosity, titled Okeanos, was made by a British sculptor named William Tucker. It's 13 feet tall, and weighs 3,500 pounds. It was COMMISSIONED for $200,000 in 1987. It was placed in front of Scripps Green Hospital in La Jolla, CA until 2001, when pressure from patients, staff, and donors convinced Scripps management to wish it into the corn field where few people would see it. Behold. I'll give you three guesses what nickname people gave it, and the first two don't count. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1087/giant_turd_sculpture-1940913.jpg Certainly not Art Moderne. It's just bad. |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:14:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This monstrosity, titled Okeanos, was made by a British sculptor named William Tucker. It's 13 feet tall, and weighs 3,500 pounds. It was COMMISSIONED for $200,000 in 1987. It was placed in front of Scripps Green Hospital in La Jolla, CA until 2001, when pressure from patients, staff, and donors convinced Scripps management to wish it into the corn field where few people would see it. Behold. I'll give you three guesses what nickname people gave it, and the first two don't count. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1087/giant_turd_sculpture-1940913.jpg The same Oceanus in Rome. 
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:15:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: not “Modern Art” Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This monstrosity, titled Okeanos, was made by a British sculptor named William Tucker. It's 13 feet tall, and weighs 3,500 pounds. It was COMMISSIONED for $200,000 in 1987. It was placed in front of Scripps Green Hospital in La Jolla, CA until 2001, when pressure from patients, staff, and donors convinced Scripps management to wish it into the corn field where few people would see it. Behold. I'll give you three guesses what nickname people gave it, and the first two don't count. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1087/giant_turd_sculpture-1940913.jpg Contemporary art? Whatever, it's still cancer. |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:18:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm gonna get way too caught up in this thread because I planned on making this thread since I've done nothing but splurge on paintings, sculpture, and antique furniture for the last six months... and OP's video is required watching. Where are you buying your art and sculptures? How pricey is shipping ? |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:18:43 PM EST
[#15]
Commie art is pretty one dimensional…serve the state.
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:19:53 PM EST
[#17]
Modern art was cheeky and fun.
Postmodern art is cancer. |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:27:47 PM EST
[#18]
Guess which one is going to last another 1000 years?
Megachurch then:  Megachurch now: 
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:29:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where are you buying your art and sculptures? How pricey is shipping ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm gonna get way too caught up in this thread because I planned on making this thread since I've done nothing but splurge on paintings, sculpture, and antique furniture for the last six months... and OP's video is required watching. Where are you buying your art and sculptures? How pricey is shipping ? From a variety of auction houses. I find Liveauctioneers.com to be the easiest to work with. I try to stick to the bigger name houses, unless I'm quite confident in what I'm looking at. Great Gatsby Auction House in Atlanta is excellent. Hindman is great (multiple locations in the US). Morphy's Auctions are very good. Shipping isn't terrible... you just reach out to one of their recommended shippers, sometimes as easy as their local UPS store, and get a quote. My worst shipping situation was a marble and alabaster bust coming in from Chicago. Couldn't get that #%^$@ crated up for less than $800... and I had previously brought in an 8' wooden crate from Italy for half that! I'm bringing in a 56 lb sculpture from Los Angeles right now for like $300... I told them that sounds cheap and that I authorize more charges for additional material. EDIT: Also, any gun collector know "buy the gun, not the story." Same with art. No provenance and no info? The price reflects that. Note antique oil paintings often labeled as "attributed to," "from the circle of," "in the style of," "from the studio of," etc. Many artists (even famous ones) did copies of other pieces to learn the techniques. Old copies are a legit thing, and paintings done in the style of someone else are a thing. But you can't read much into what a gallery says to sell it. |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:30:13 PM EST
[#20]
 Why is Modern Art so Bad? | 5 Minute Video |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:31:01 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: From a variety of auction houses. I find Liveauctioneers.com to be the easiest to work with. I try to stick to the bigger name houses, unless I'm quite confident in what I'm looking at. Great Gatsby Auction House in Atlanta is excellent. Hindman is great (multiple locations in the US). Morphy's Auctions are very good. Shipping isn't terrible... you just reach out to one of their recommended shippers, sometimes as easy as their local UPS store, and get a quote. My worst shipping situation was a marble and alabaster bust coming in from Chicago. Couldn't get that #%^$@ crated up for less than $800... and I had previously brought in an 8' wooden crate from Italy for half that! I'm bringing in a 56 lb sculpture from Los Angeles right now for like $300... I told them that sounds cheap and that I authorize more charges for additional material. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm gonna get way too caught up in this thread because I planned on making this thread since I've done nothing but splurge on paintings, sculpture, and antique furniture for the last six months... and OP's video is required watching. Where are you buying your art and sculptures? How pricey is shipping ? From a variety of auction houses. I find Liveauctioneers.com to be the easiest to work with. I try to stick to the bigger name houses, unless I'm quite confident in what I'm looking at. Great Gatsby Auction House in Atlanta is excellent. Hindman is great (multiple locations in the US). Morphy's Auctions are very good. Shipping isn't terrible... you just reach out to one of their recommended shippers, sometimes as easy as their local UPS store, and get a quote. My worst shipping situation was a marble and alabaster bust coming in from Chicago. Couldn't get that #%^$@ crated up for less than $800... and I had previously brought in an 8' wooden crate from Italy for half that! I'm bringing in a 56 lb sculpture from Los Angeles right now for like $300... I told them that sounds cheap and that I authorize more charges for additional material. Do you have a photo gallery of your collection that we can view? |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:32:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess which one is going to last another 1000 years? Megachurch then: https://i.imgur.com/pcsy4Kj.jpg Megachurch now: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-R-2WIHTwWF8/UKov55kjclI/AAAAAAAAAMk/sXpBI-Bw5X0/s1600/na-pastor-opens-his-heart-and-church.jpeg |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:41:29 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have a photo gallery of your collection that we can view? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm gonna get way too caught up in this thread because I planned on making this thread since I've done nothing but splurge on paintings, sculpture, and antique furniture for the last six months... and OP's video is required watching. Where are you buying your art and sculptures? How pricey is shipping ? From a variety of auction houses. I find Liveauctioneers.com to be the easiest to work with. I try to stick to the bigger name houses, unless I'm quite confident in what I'm looking at. Great Gatsby Auction House in Atlanta is excellent. Hindman is great (multiple locations in the US). Morphy's Auctions are very good. Shipping isn't terrible... you just reach out to one of their recommended shippers, sometimes as easy as their local UPS store, and get a quote. My worst shipping situation was a marble and alabaster bust coming in from Chicago. Couldn't get that #%^$@ crated up for less than $800... and I had previously brought in an 8' wooden crate from Italy for half that! I'm bringing in a 56 lb sculpture from Los Angeles right now for like $300... I told them that sounds cheap and that I authorize more charges for additional material. Do you have a photo gallery of your collection that we can view? I've been holding off on posting photos to make a couple threads about them once I have things hung-up and in place. I've got two at home to hang, a 6' x 4' oil being restored (that I dropped off in 2020  ), and one sculpture incoming.I previously did a thread series about polearms and thought I'd do the same with gothic furniture and paintings. I've managed to get three antique paintings with polearms in them.  I honestly didn't plan on posting a photo in this thread, but I JUST got that portrait home last night and really wanted to jump in on a traditional art thread. |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:42:12 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: as someone that spends a lot of time in Poland and can see first hand the communist style right beside the old world style ... it is ugly as fuck and almost depressing once you are out in it enough ... seriously all you guys saying you would love "brutalism and cubism" in your cities should go see it's application in real life ..... it sucks This. |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:42:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those weren't megachurches so much as they are expressions of state power and the power of the king. The closest analogy in America would be the capitol building or maybe the pentagon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Guess which one is going to last another 1000 years? Megachurch then: https://i.imgur.com/pcsy4Kj.jpg Megachurch now: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-R-2WIHTwWF8/UKov55kjclI/AAAAAAAAAMk/sXpBI-Bw5X0/s1600/na-pastor-opens-his-heart-and-church.jpeg I'm using the term megachurch as to refer to vast place of worships. They are/were both fuelled by big money. But if we really want to compare apples to apples: Delaware State Capitol: :format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8742923/shutterstock_399798331.jpg) Scottish Parliament: 
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:48:46 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm using the term megachurch as to refer to vast place of worships. They are/were both fuelled by big money. But if we really want to compare apples to apples: Delaware State Capitol: https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/cdVQsEm2qnOUn9Fxut4gzGtbbL0=/0x0:3800x2533/920x0/filters:focal(0x0:3800x2533):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8742923/shutterstock_399798331.jpg Scottish Parliament: https://radmat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Scottish-Parliament-2.jpg |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:49:59 PM EST
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Fine art comes from one of two sources;
Patron funded works in which the Artist works towards the vision of their benefactor. (much of Michelangelo’s work for example) Or Mad obsession that drives the artist to work without care for payment, creature comfort or recognition. (Van Gogh or Pablo Picasso) What you cannot do is combine BOTH, paying an artist to produce what the artist wants. No great art can come from being spoiled. |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:50:10 PM EST
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:56:17 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Speaking of modern art and avatars, what the heck is going on in yours? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @exDefensorMilitas Your avatar is true art. Even if I do say so myself.  Speaking of modern art and avatars, what the heck is going on in yours? https://katraccoon.com/comics/behind-the-gifs/sorority-justice-squad |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 2:56:20 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryIt’s remarkable how proud he is of his ignorance of Art History. |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:04:57 PM EST
[#31]
Quote History"but but but it's all art". No it's not. Some people seems to think a banana taped to a wall or a literal pile of trash deserve to be called art. |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:09:37 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s remarkable how proud he is of his ignorance of Art History. Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s remarkable how proud he is of his ignorance of Art History. And how seriously other people take it 
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:10:50 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s remarkable how proud he is of his ignorance of Art History. Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s remarkable how proud he is of his ignorance of Art History. I studied Art History in school as well. ETA: That guy can paint. I'll take any of his works over a Pollock.  
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:13:07 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A E S T H E T I C S Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @PraesidiumFabrica @whiskersthecat A-E-S-T-H-E-T-I-C-S A E S T H E T I C S Aesthetics is what beauticians learn.
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:13:29 PM EST
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:15:57 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: @exDefensorMilitas Your avatar is true art. Even if I do say so myself. Speaking of modern art and avatars, what the heck is going on in yours? https://katraccoon.com/comics/behind-the-gifs/sorority-justice-squad 
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:17:53 PM EST
[#37]
Quoted: Reject this modern crap. Embrace traditional and classical aesthetics.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Swc9Iu0AMPJW's video here is a work of art. |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:18:50 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Haven't got a clue at the moment. The Templar-cross style military badge was used by many civilian/military orders, so thats no help. The armor isn't particularly distinct. The ruff collar puts us roughly 1650-1750, and the seller distinctly believes it is Spanish. He attributed it to a specific late 18th, early 19th century painter, but I personally find no consistency or evidence of that. I haven't removed it from the frame to look for more clues, but I suspect it's a 19th century study or recreation of an older work. The canvas has been relined but I can see edges of the original, and it looks very old. However, the front condition of it is so good, I have a hard time believing it is pre-1800 at this point. We'll see... lots of studying to do. Seller had it listed for $15k. It previously didn't meet reserve at auction, so I knew I could get it down much lower. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Damn straight. Brought this home last night. Aiming for a portrait gallery in the entryway. Living room just got a 5' wide oil, 7' wide oil, and waiting on the ability to hang a 4 footer about 16 feet up. Reject modernity. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/924/F886Vq.jpg Looking good, who's the lad portrayed? Haven't got a clue at the moment. The Templar-cross style military badge was used by many civilian/military orders, so thats no help. The armor isn't particularly distinct. The ruff collar puts us roughly 1650-1750, and the seller distinctly believes it is Spanish. He attributed it to a specific late 18th, early 19th century painter, but I personally find no consistency or evidence of that. I haven't removed it from the frame to look for more clues, but I suspect it's a 19th century study or recreation of an older work. The canvas has been relined but I can see edges of the original, and it looks very old. However, the front condition of it is so good, I have a hard time believing it is pre-1800 at this point. We'll see... lots of studying to do. Seller had it listed for $15k. It previously didn't meet reserve at auction, so I knew I could get it down much lower. Sitter appears to be Spanish to me as well. Depending on age of painting, the painter could be Fleming or Dutch. There's a bit of the "Flemish polished" look to much of the finery portrayed there. |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:20:48 PM EST
[#39]
Lol. Most true modern artists were classically trained...
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:20:52 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I studied Art History in school as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s remarkable how proud he is of his ignorance of Art History. I studied Art History in school as well. ETA: That guy can paint. I'll take any of his works over a Pollock. https://i.imgur.com/zGxks9g.jpg https://www.syracuse.com/resizer/yLN2ymwv8UiTc8gqXCwLfcJomQE=/1280x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/STOWWSMKERBMFD3L6ML3HPDRCU.jpg I’ll trade you. Even Steven. Deal? |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:23:14 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just hung this over the weekend. I'm guessing most here wouldn't like it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124774/D21E8207-D573-4A25-9DBC-DA91B1CB6BD7-1940907.png I kinda like it! |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:24:50 PM EST
[#42]
My college cut down a live tree in the center of the school grounds, and put up a horrible bronze stump “art” piece. Students fucking hated it.
I will literally never send a nickel their direction as a direct result of that horrible shit. Even if I win a trillion dollars, they won’t get a nickel. Modern art is garbage. |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:26:56 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Victorian and Gothic were the peaks of residential architecture  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/177643/a2494be38756c5533a1e433fa6448026_jpg-1940885.JPG Gratuitous use of gingerbread and color, probably to make up for the bland stoicism of the Victorian era itself... |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:29:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: then how do you not really understand the meaning of the phrase “Modern Art”? I’ll trade you. Even Steven. Deal? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It’s remarkable how proud he is of his ignorance of Art History. I studied Art History in school as well. ETA: That guy can paint. I'll take any of his works over a Pollock. https://i.imgur.com/zGxks9g.jpg https://www.syracuse.com/resizer/yLN2ymwv8UiTc8gqXCwLfcJomQE=/1280x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/STOWWSMKERBMFD3L6ML3HPDRCU.jpg I’ll trade you. Even Steven. Deal? What I am talking about should be pretty evident in this thread. |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:29:57 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "but but but it's all art". No it's not. Some people seems to think a banana taped to a wall or a literal pile of trash deserve to be called art. Kinda depends on what the intent is. Art can be just expression. |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:32:03 PM EST
[#46]
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:34:32 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What I am talking about should be pretty evident in this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It’s remarkable how proud he is of his ignorance of Art History. I studied Art History in school as well. ETA: That guy can paint. I'll take any of his works over a Pollock. https://i.imgur.com/zGxks9g.jpg https://www.syracuse.com/resizer/yLN2ymwv8UiTc8gqXCwLfcJomQE=/1280x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/STOWWSMKERBMFD3L6ML3HPDRCU.jpg I’ll trade you. Even Steven. Deal? What I am talking about should be pretty evident in this thread. Quite evident. |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:36:06 PM EST
[#48]
You sorry bunch of Victorian homos don’t know the difference between art and mere pictures.
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:37:22 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "but but but it's all art". No it's not. Some people seems to think a banana taped to a wall or a literal pile of trash deserve to be called art. Quote HistoryQuoted: "but but but it's all art". No it's not. Some people seems to think a banana taped to a wall or a literal pile of trash deserve to be called art. Or magazine illustrations are art, or TV commercial jingles are music… |
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Posted: 5/13/2021 3:41:03 PM EST
[#50]
Modern Art exists in History.
How is it “Cancer”? Is it spreading? Are new “Modernists” being created? Last time I checked, and for the last 40 or so years, all art schools have been rejecting “Modern Art” |
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