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Posted: 9/6/2024 1:55:49 PM EDT
Montgomery Mayor Steven Reed on Friday signed an ordinance that will require people carrying a concealed gun or carrying one in concealed in a vehicle to have a drivers license or another valid photo identification.
The Montgomery City Council passed the ordinance earlier this week. .. “It shows not only that this administration is committed but our City Council is committed to doing everything in our power to try to make sure that our city is safer and doing the things that we can to get guns off the street and empower our police officers more and make our city safer for everyone that lives, works and plays within these limits,” the mayor said. Reed was joined by several members of the City Council and Montgomery Interim Police Chief Jim Graboys. The ordinance, only four sentences long, says that if a person carrying a concealed firearm does not have a photo ID, police will confiscate the weapon. They will hold it for up to 30 days. The owner can reclaim it by showing a valid photo ID, providing proof of ownership, and paying a $150 fine. “This gives law enforcement a tool to ensure proper identification is held in situations where an individual may be stopped, and weapons are recognized,” Reed said. .. https://www.al.com/news/2024/09/montgomery-requires-photo-ids-for-carrying-concealed-guns-on-person-or-in-vehicles.html  Bros don't be carrying ID with that gat in their waistband. The ordinance is illegal upon arrival. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Montgomery-Alabama-has-gone-crazy-/5-2746501/ |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 1:58:01 PM EDT
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lol.
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Posted: 9/6/2024 1:58:25 PM EDT
[#2]
What does AL say? Does AL gun law preempt local gun laws?
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Posted: 9/6/2024 1:59:22 PM EDT
[#3]
Didn't you make this thread yesterday?
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Montgomery-Alabama-has-gone-crazy-/5-2746501/ |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 1:59:57 PM EDT
[#4]
Oh I guess you linked to it.
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Posted: 9/6/2024 2:01:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What does AL say? Does AL gun law preempt local gun laws? It's illegal. AL has preemption. The lawyers who drafted the ordinance know it. Everyone involved knows it. If you are a cop in Montgomery you should know it. Lets see them pass a voter ID ordinance. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 2:03:33 PM EDT
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How does the presence of a photo ID make things safer? What’s the theory there?
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Posted: 9/6/2024 2:09:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does the presence of a photo ID make things safer? What’s the theory there? You have to have one in order to carry, so it is a reason to detain you to check your ID. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:00:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's illegal. AL has preemption. The lawyers who drafted the ordinance know it. Everyone involved knows it. If you are a cop in Montgomery you should know it. Lets see them pass a voter ID ordinance. Yet, those police will just do their job and follow this ordinance until the courts tell them otherwise. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:05:53 PM EDT
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Probably going to cost that city a lot of money...but they don't care since it is paid by the taxpayers.
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:09:39 PM EDT
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Just like voting, right?
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:10:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have to have one in order to carry, so it is a reason to detain you to check your ID. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How does the presence of a photo ID make things safer? What’s the theory there? You have to have one in order to carry, so it is a reason to detain you to check your ID. Do you in Alabama? It’s a constitutional carry state and I didn’t see anything that requires you to carry ID. Also, detaining someone to see if they have ID sounds inappropriate. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:11:13 PM EDT
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So how is me or any number of thugs carrying an ID with our Glizzys making things any safer???
How do ones mind even come up with this shit... I mean if a criminal is going to break one law, why would they not break the rest... |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:11:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just like voting, right? That’s different, that’s racist and this ID requirement is virtuous. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:26:05 PM EDT
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If there's state level preemption, it's not legal. Of course, that doesn't mean they won't stop you, confiscate your firearm, and force you to jump through a bunch of legal loopholes to get it back. Democrats have always ignored laws they find inconvenient, especially if doing so pushes the boot further into the neck.
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:34:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet, those police will just do their job and follow this ordinance until the courts tell them otherwise. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's illegal. AL has preemption. The lawyers who drafted the ordinance know it. Everyone involved knows it. If you are a cop in Montgomery you should know it. Lets see them pass a voter ID ordinance. Yet, those police will just do their job and follow this ordinance until the courts tell them otherwise. It's only 1 isolated department so no need to worry. Someone will get their day in court 5 years later. 
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:39:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet, those police will just do their job and follow this ordinance until the courts tell them otherwise. They should be sued for false arrest. Meemaw should have the state AG threaten to arrest Reed, the council and the entire PD.  |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:42:56 PM EDT
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My picture is on the face of my handgun permit.
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:44:09 PM EDT
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Hopefully one of the 2A orgs is finalizing a civil complaint this week.
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:50:00 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My picture is on the face of my handgun permit. Funny, mine isn't. I keep it at the national archives. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:50:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My picture is on the face of my handgun permit. It's on two of mine, but not on my home state's, which requires you to carry an ID with it. Hell, DC also requires you to carry a copy of the pistol registration for whatever you're carrying. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:53:06 PM EDT
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Florida Conditional Concealed Carry - Requires you to have a ID on you....
When I moved my son to Tuscaloosa Al - I got pulled over for in improper lane change - it was funny the reaction my son and I got when I handed him my CCW and DL. They were so busy running my son and I thru their system and the SN on the guns too that they did not write the ticket. LOL Red |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:53:10 PM EDT
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Yup, that'll fix the problem for sure, this time!
I'm sure of it! |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:54:14 PM EDT
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My state has always required you to have your concealed carry permit on your person if carrying a concealed weapon. If you don't have your permit on you , depending on the circumstances they CAN charge you for carrying a firearm without a license. They seem to use that as a pile on charge for a dirtbag they want to jam up. Infact , when a cop runs your driver's license the dispacher tells them if you are CCP card holder. It looks just like your drivers license with a pic. One time at the bank drive thru I wasn't paying attention and sent my concealed carry license into the bank to make a deposit in the correct account instead of my driver's license. The teller didn't say a word about it and completed the transaction and I noticed it when she sent it back out with the receipt. When I said sorry bout that she just giggled and said no problem. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:57:12 PM EDT
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I mean, in Florida you are supposed to have ID on you all the time if you are over 16 (I think). Pretty sure jogging is an exemption.
I think they should stop, frisk, and ID check all bicyclists on a roadway, pretty sure all of them are on drugs or have committed some sort of crime. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 4:03:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean, in Florida you are supposed to have ID on you all the time if you are over 16 (I think). Pretty sure jogging is an exemption. I think they should stop, frisk, and ID check all bicyclists on a roadway, pretty sure all of them are on drugs or have committed some sort of crime. Gif me zour papers, please. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 4:16:58 PM EDT
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Lol. Good! Place is a crime infested shithole. I'll give you one guess as to why...
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Posted: 9/6/2024 5:21:41 PM EDT
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I'm glad Tejas passed constitutional carry, even though I keep my CHL current.
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Posted: 9/6/2024 5:42:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you in Alabama? It’s a constitutional carry state and I didn’t see anything that requires you to carry ID. Also, detaining someone to see if they have ID sounds inappropriate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: How does the presence of a photo ID make things safer? What’s the theory there? You have to have one in order to carry, so it is a reason to detain you to check your ID. Do you in Alabama? It’s a constitutional carry state and I didn’t see anything that requires you to carry ID. Also, detaining someone to see if they have ID sounds inappropriate. No ID required in AL, except for driving. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 5:45:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No ID required in AL, except for driving. Thanks. That’s what it looked like, but I only put so much time into it. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 11:00:23 AM EDT
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Because someone intending to shoot someone would most certainly not want to run afoul of a law requiring them to carry identification?
The logic of this escapes me. But I could see how the city would like to collect all those $150 fines. I wonder if a handwritten receipt saying something like "On (fill in any date you want) I sold my pistol (serial number 1234XYZ) for $20. Unless the law specifies what qualifies as a receipt almost anything else would suffice, but they still collect the $150. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 11:13:56 AM EDT
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Quoted: Montgomery Mayor Steven Reed on Friday signed an ordinance that will require people carrying a concealed gun or carrying one in concealed in a vehicle to have a drivers license or another valid photo identification. Wouldn't this law be as equally racist because blacks don't have ID cards to vote they wouldn't have them to exercise their 2A rights? Strange that. 
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Posted: 9/7/2024 11:15:59 AM EDT
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It might be an attempt to address the "what day is it so I can tell you my name today" illegal aliens who change names more often than they change their socks.
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Posted: 9/7/2024 11:28:10 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If there's state level preemption, it's not legal. Of course, that doesn't mean they won't stop you, confiscate your firearm, and force you to jump through a bunch of legal loopholes to get it back. Democrats have always ignored laws they find inconvenient, especially if doing so pushes the boot further into the neck. @scuba-steve @Bama-Shooter So then how does Philadelphia get away with it? They seem to have laws of their own. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 11:56:33 AM EDT
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Sorry, don't get the outrage. People should have a drivers license while driving, concealed weapon or not.
Are illegals included in the permitless carry law? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 12:00:24 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's illegal. AL has preemption. The lawyers who drafted the ordinance know it. Everyone involved knows it. If you are a cop in Montgomery you should know it. Lets see them pass a voter ID ordinance. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What does AL say? Does AL gun law preempt local gun laws? It's illegal. AL has preemption. The lawyers who drafted the ordinance know it. Everyone involved knows it. If you are a cop in Montgomery you should know it. Lets see them pass a voter ID ordinance. Exactly. I think I’ll pick and choose what laws I wish to apply to me based on my feelz, or “safety”. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 12:00:50 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, don't get the outrage. People should have a drivers license while driving, concealed weapon or not. Are illegals included in the permitless carry law?  |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 12:02:55 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, don't get the outrage. People should have a drivers license while driving, concealed weapon or not. Are illegals included in the permitless carry law? The problem is this city is trying to enact their own gun laws that contradict state laws. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 12:39:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @scuba-steve @Bama-Shooter So then how does Philadelphia get away with it? They seem to have laws of their own. I know Pennsylvania still had state-level preemption last year, but there have been a number of anti-2A/pro-tyranny groups trying to fight it, so I'm not sure where they stand now. My best guess is that it's still on the books, but Philadelphia politicians, in proud Democrat tradition, are just ignoring the state-level laws that apply to them so they can apply more restrictive laws to you. And you absolutely want to break out your wallet and fund whoever is fighting back because it's a nightmare if you lose preemption. You'll end up in a situation where you have no idea what the law is as you travel between towns and cities and counties. We're dealing with that in Virginia now |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 12:58:59 PM EDT
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I have one PA group I'll donate too, and one on a National level in our fight to restore our freedoms.
I guess Philly is like NYC in that they think they're special and can thumb their noses at the state laws, and you'll go bankrupt before you can make any difference in the corrupted court system. Hopefully Montgomery gets the piss smacked out of them, but for some reason I have my doubts. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:11:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think they should stop, frisk, and ID check all bicyclists on a roadway, pretty sure all of them are on drugs or have committed some sort of crime. If it's a grown-ass man with a backpack riding a kid's bike, I'd say you have at least reasonable suspicion if not outright PC. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:14:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, don't get the outrage. People should have a drivers license while driving, concealed weapon or not. Are illegals included in the permitless carry law? Drivers of vehicles need to have a license on them. Neither passengers nor pedestrians have such a requirement |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:20:53 PM EDT
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Does the 11th circuit have any rulings against stopping someone for merely carrying a firearm? I ask because several circuits have made such rulings. Me being in the 8th certainly has ruled this way. Simply seeing a firearm is NOT a reason to stop/detain anyone and doing so would be an automatic violation of established case law. When I do travel through Bama I am usually OWB anyway. Shirt over if needed. Especially Birmingham and Montgomery.
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:37:43 PM EDT
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So, if I were to carry there, and I dont have my DL or ID, the most you could do to me is, what? A ticket? Because its city law, not state.
Fuck them. This is more useless bullshit for the feelz. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:39:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean, in Florida you are supposed to have ID on you all the time if you are over 16 (I think). Pretty sure jogging is an exemption. I think they should stop, frisk, and ID check all bicyclists on a roadway, pretty sure all of them are on drugs or have committed some sort of crime. No, you are not required to have ID in FL. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:41:18 PM EDT
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Glad they don't have that bullshit here. I never take my ID when I walk my dog and I am always carrying whem I do.
My town has a snakehead fishing tournament where bow fishing was expressly allowed. Years ago cops pull M4s on my son and buddies son for walking along the canal shooting their bows into the water and reeling in dead snakeheads There is no doubt the cops by me wish they had a law like this to fuck people over. Sad because the cops in this town were cool and normal. But then again all the cops in this town also lived in this town. Not the case anymore |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:43:47 PM EDT
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Is a matricula consular valid ID in Alabama yet
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:46:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: Montgomery Mayor Steven Reed on Friday signed an ordinance that will require people carrying a concealed gun or carrying one in concealed in a vehicle to have a drivers license or another valid photo identification. The Montgomery City Council passed the ordinance earlier this week. .. “It shows not only that this administration is committed but our City Council is committed to doing everything in our power to try to make sure that our city is safer and doing the things that we can to get guns off the street and empower our police officers more and make our city safer for everyone that lives, works and plays within these limits,” the mayor said. Reed was joined by several members of the City Council and Montgomery Interim Police Chief Jim Graboys. The ordinance, only four sentences long, says that if a person carrying a concealed firearm does not have a photo ID, police will confiscate the weapon. They will hold it for up to 30 days. The owner can reclaim it by showing a valid photo ID, providing proof of ownership, and paying a $150 fine. “This gives law enforcement a tool to ensure proper identification is held in situations where an individual may be stopped, and weapons are recognized,” Reed said. .. https://www.al.com/news/2024/09/montgomery-requires-photo-ids-for-carrying-concealed-guns-on-person-or-in-vehicles.html Bros don't be carrying ID with that gat in their waistband. The ordinance is illegal upon arrival. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Montgomery-Alabama-has-gone-crazy-/5-2746501/ 
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:46:43 PM EDT
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Aaah, now the other thread makes more sense, AL is Constitutional Carry.
Should have lead with that because the other 90% of the country requires ID. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:22:30 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aaah, now the other thread makes more sense, AL is Constitutional Carry. Should have lead with that because the other 90% of the country requires ID. Actually something like 28 states are now fully Constitutional Carry/Permitless Carry. So way lower than 90% |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:30:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually something like 28 states are now fully Constitutional Carry/Permitless Carry. So way lower than 90% Really? Cool new news to me. 
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