Well-trained?  Knife or bludgeon wil, used properly, of course, deblitate on the first strike.

That’s why they were literally used for millennia in human warfare.

A pocket honey badger.

They have been purposely breed for hundreds of years for the the role.

I understand that reference.

If I've learned anything from playing warzone, it's throwing knives

A radio with an artillery unit at the other end, waiting for a call for fire mission

this one

"Danger close" doesn't even begin to describe the trust you place on your men.

Hand grenade

Yeah, that doesn't make much sense to me.

Change out the cap for that of wd-40 and use the straw.   Get some range.   Hmmm. Might be better to go with the wd-40 anyways.

Damnit, I’ve lost 30 lb + (206 down to under 175) since last Sept, and you’re guilting me into going running this morning.
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If the guy with the knife is in good shape, knows what he is doing, and really wants to kill the guy with the gun then my money is on the guy with the knife being able to kill or seriously injure the guy with the gun. And the guy with the knife might, or might not die from a gunshot wound in the process.

Handgun bullets do not really do that good of a job at stopping an attacker instantly and you can close 12' in well under a second. I've shot bowling pins some in competition and even raising a pistol to get that first shot off (accurately) takes me about a second. So if I thought that maybe someone broke into my house and went to check with a pistol in the low ready position and I suddenly came across a knife wielding attacker from 12' away charging me then I would be doing good to get a wild shot or two off, no way I could get an aimed shot off. Then I am getting sliced up.

Of course a knife wound is not a guaranteed instant kill either, in fact it's really hard to kill someone quickly (within a second or two) with a knife. People may not even realize they have been cut or stabbed. And there is a big difference between a 12" medieval dagger or bowie knife and a 2" lock blade in terms of lethality.

And training is a big part of it too. In the situation I described my reaction would be to get my left arm up between the rest of me and the knife and try to protect my vitals while bringing the pistol back to my hip so it can't easily be grabbed and then shooting the attacker until I'm out of ammo. Maybe that would work and I wouldn't need too many stitches. Maybe there is a better way to deal with that scenario too, I'm not some self defense guru.

If I was the guy with the knife I would charge in, realize that I might take a bullet but accept that as the price I had to pay. Try to grab the gun and get the muzzle pointed away from me with my left hand while my momentum let me drive the knife point into my opponents chest. Then I would stab over and over again repeatedly until one of us was dead.

Anyway, point is that a guy with a "real" knife and the willingness to use it is a real deadly threat to a guy with a gun.

cuddy?  that you?

An ounce of prevention...

The biggest blade you can carry

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Gotta get the Duncan/Conner McLeod trench coat for that.

Hannibal, in the movie 'Hannibal', was a blade master with it.

Great for slashing, but won't thrust worth a damn.  When LT George Patton designed the last combat saber he found that even saber slashes create gory wounds that do not incapacitate a person.  So he designed his saber for thrust and the manual of arms only teaches thrusts, not cuts.  It is sharpened somewhat and can cut, but that is not it's purpose.

I would say, a completely untrained person has a much better chance of fucking someone up with a knife than a handgun.

I'm not buying that. Yes, you can mess someone up with a knife, but it takes just as long to deploy a knife as is does a handgun. If given a choice of the two, I can't think of a situation where I'd rather have a knife over a handgun. For everyone arguing the 21ft rule, are your reaction times going to be any quicker if someone attacks you and you're carrying a concealed knife?

"So if I thought that maybe someone broke into my house and went to check with a pistol in the low ready position and I suddenly came across a knife wielding attacker from 12' away charging me then I would be doing good to get a wild shot or two off, no way I could get an aimed shot off. Then I am getting sliced up."

Please get training. RustedAce said knowing how to position yourself to see and act is more important than shooting excellence. He's right. If you're doing it right, they either won't be able to charge or won't even know you're there. I've been "killed" so many times by skilled gunfighters that I didn't even know were there because they positioned themselves properly.

Cold Steel Rajah II    with MEAT CUTTING !!

A good blade does an excellent amount of tissue damage when used as a cutter/slasher/butcher compared to just a stabber/jabber/hole maker.

My son’s milk shit diapers. A freshly filled diaper ready to burst with fetid seedy yellow ooze. Yeah, I just changed his seeping ass on the tailgate of my truck. I’m sweaty, haven’t slept in a year, and if my cadaverous eyes aren’t enough to warn you not to fuck with me while I’m looking for a place to dispose of his gastrointestinal artwork, well, then, I can always fire a pile of shit right into your face.

I think it’s Chase45 that CCs a Winkler Sayoc?

With a concealable sized knife it can can be surprisingly difficult to slash and chop effectively against a yielding target that''s protected by anything more than a light layer of clothing.

you don't?

I'm a big fan of the deceptive facade, and the Rory. As a bonus, a small flask of bourbon and a zippo are very inocuos items.

The thing to understand about the Tueller 21’ drill is that it can be beaten if you don’t just stand there and try to out draw the attacker.

Move out of way or better yet, move and draw at the same time if possible but moving out of the way is the key.

Short and sharp, thick bladed knife; either fixed or quality lock-back. Easy stabby-stabby and good slice.

Image borrowed from off the web, katogroup

Is that because when people get stabbed, they get stabbed many many times and the circumstances is the person overpowered them and stabs them 30x.


Where shootings are usually with pistols. Which leave knife like ice pick wounds.


If you were to shoot someone 30x, the results would be the same as stabbing them 30x.

Precisely why I bought a karambit. It just screams "hey bud, you wanna know what your insides look like?"

Was waiting for these to get posted.

Spydeco Civilian. It’s a very good knife

Proximity mine.

I have one and took it to work accidentally.  Pulled it out to open a package and the guy sitting in my office freaked out.

The make a cheaper version called the Matriarch.