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Posted: 1/8/2018 11:36:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What we need is more of your avatar 
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Posted: 1/8/2018 11:49:25 AM EDT
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FERC spot is $2.44 for January 2018. IOW per FERC, the average price for an MMBTU is $2.44. BTW, I'm currently paying $.06/kw-hr for elec. Lol NG1:COM 2.83USD/MMBtu +0.04 +1.32% The end user will pay the spot price plus all transportation (pipeline) fees plus all applicable taxes. The current demand for natural gas in the nation is crazy high due to the deep freeze most of the nation is/has been in. The beauty of the futures market is it isn't affected very much by transitory weather conditions as the price for delivery today was set some weeks ago...and nobody has a crystal ball. The Eastern seaboard would rather import Russian natural gas than allow domestic production. Pricks. Boston getting Russian natural gas |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 11:52:32 AM EDT
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Anyway the federal government could do some intervention? Isn't this the commerce shit that the whole federal government system was adopted for?
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Posted: 1/8/2018 11:57:14 AM EDT
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Anyway the federal government could do some intervention? Isn't this the commerce shit that the whole federal government system was adopted for? |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 12:00:38 PM EDT
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More for the rest of us.
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Posted: 1/8/2018 12:02:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2018 12:15:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2018 12:22:10 PM EDT
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It is almost like there is a race between the commie states to see who can drastically reduce quality of life the fastest.
I wonder who will no longer have a dependable energy supply system first. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 12:27:21 PM EDT
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Cuomo will let his people pay and pay for his political crap. Don't worry, they will never figure it out.
He is a genius. 
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Posted: 1/8/2018 12:34:46 PM EDT
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The worst governor in the US Crooked, hates the constitution, loves taking more and more from the tax payers, entitled POS. He's an example of what we DONT want in government and a perfect example of why we need a constitution for our protection. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 12:50:01 PM EDT
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Forget about it.......Nothing and I mean nothing will ever be allowed to go through anyplace in NY state that passes through (or anywhere near) the watersheds where NYC gets their water. http://www.riverkeeper.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/watershed_nyc_drinkingwater_dep_lowres_2009.jpg 
Map1: Tennessee (Green), Iroquois (Cyan), Transco (Purple), Dominion (brown), Constitution (Red-dotted/Proposed), Marc-1, Emkey, Williams Central Station, Springville Compressor, Bluestone, Laser, NS line, Red=storage, Catskill Park (pink), NYC watershed (violet |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 12:52:23 PM EDT
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Natural gas is lighter than air. If a pipeline broke open over a reservoir it wouldn't contaminate it. I forgot to mention he's also closing the Indian Point nuclear power station. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 1:50:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm in the industry & have to agree with them on this, underground transmission lines are inside a high pressure dielectric fluid filled pipe & they all eventually leak (For those who do not know, Dielectric Fluid is a particularly nasty type of oil). You do not want Dielectric Fluid anywhere near drinking water. The fluid is used to insulate & cool the cables, massively increasing the current carrying capacity of the feeder. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 1:51:24 PM EDT
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Natural gas is lighter than air. If a pipeline broke open over a reservoir it wouldn't contaminate it. I forgot to mention he's also closing the Indian Point nuclear power station. NG is a clean burning fuel, that does not mean that pipelines are neceassily clean. They can contain iron oxides, salt despoits, lube oil, condensates, or salt water. The pipelines in question are all transmission lines and should be 'clean', but if that were the case they'd not have pigging facilities installed. 
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Posted: 1/8/2018 4:11:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This, NY crooks gonna crook. 
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Posted: 1/8/2018 4:15:07 PM EDT
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Surely, Camp Gitmo could use an Emperor, right?
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Posted: 1/8/2018 5:09:50 PM EDT
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The southern tier wants to break away and be part of PA. They keep voting liberals in up there, they get what they deserve. Not like there isn't any gas up there, NE PA is swimming it, so is the southern tier but they can't drill and they can't build compression stations and they can't lay pipeline.
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Posted: 1/8/2018 5:13:23 PM EDT
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Forget about it.......Nothing and I mean nothing will ever be allowed to go through anyplace in NY state that passes through (or anywhere near) the watersheds where NYC gets their water. http://www.riverkeeper.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/watershed_nyc_drinkingwater_dep_lowres_2009.jpg |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 5:17:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2018 5:22:54 PM EDT
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Spot price (Henry Hub) is currently: NG1:COM 2.83USD/MMBtu +0.04 +1.32% The end user will pay the spot price plus all transportation (pipeline) fees plus all applicable taxes. The current demand for natural gas in the nation is crazy high due to the deep freeze most of the nation is/has been in. The beauty of the futures market is it isn't affected very much by transitory weather conditions as the price for delivery today was set some weeks ago...and nobody has a crystal ball. The Eastern seaboard would rather import Russian natural gas than allow domestic production. Pricks. Boston getting Russian natural gas Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FERC spot is $2.44 for January 2018. IOW per FERC, the average price for an MMBTU is $2.44. BTW, I'm currently paying $.06/kw-hr for elec. Lol NG1:COM 2.83USD/MMBtu +0.04 +1.32% The end user will pay the spot price plus all transportation (pipeline) fees plus all applicable taxes. The current demand for natural gas in the nation is crazy high due to the deep freeze most of the nation is/has been in. The beauty of the futures market is it isn't affected very much by transitory weather conditions as the price for delivery today was set some weeks ago...and nobody has a crystal ball. The Eastern seaboard would rather import Russian natural gas than allow domestic production. Pricks. Boston getting Russian natural gas |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 5:31:04 PM EDT
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The worst governor in the US Crooked, hates the constitution, loves taking more and more from the tax payers, entitled POS. He's an example of what we DONT want in government and a perfect example of why we need a constitution for our protection. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:11:34 PM EDT
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Cuomo is killing that state - but at least in doing so he will never be president and simultaneously proves socialism kills an economy.
I left NY and glad I did. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:18:10 PM EDT
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I would venture to guess that Cuomo's "friends" hold big shares in natural gas and the blocks were meant to enrich individuals by keeping the prices high in a period of high demand?
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:25:31 PM EDT
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A natural gas hot water heater has 1/2 the carbon foot print than electric hot water heater. I thought Democrat Party fat cats were all about saving the environment. When people complain about the price there will be no discussion of NY blocking gas flows only that rich evil corporations make too much money and there is only one solution...government. They'll get everyone so frenzied and against the company that the legislation they come out with to "fix it" will be absolutely horrible and when negotiations start and lobbyists from the gas company try to work on something it will be a "middle ground" favoring the state. When prices remain high to pay for all the taxes and skimming the gas company will still be the bad guy and the government will say they have it under control as they count their winnings. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:30:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:34:01 PM EDT
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In NY, 35 years back about 1/3 of your gas or electric bill was taxes, now its more than half, the utility companys are probably the biggest revenures in NYS.
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:34:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NYSEG recently completed a major power line upgrade near me to bring more juice to NYC. One of the original considerations was to run the line under one of the cities reservoirs instead of it remaining over head, it was flatly rejected by the city. They felt it would put the water quality in jeopardy. The city even dictated to NYSEG how they would work on private property that was near the reservoirs so as to avoid muddy runoff going into the water. Hell the city issued tickets to a logger I know for failing to build a bridge across a tiny creek to access timber. They said without the bridge the log skidder would create mud that would flow into the reservoir and contaminate the water. What I found odd was that the logger was working several miles away down flow from the aqueduct so it could never have impacted the quality of the water flowing to the scum in NYC. The City of NY and the Feds have spent hundreds of millions buying up land around the city reservoirs to keep them as clean as possible so you can bet they will never allow a for profit entity that benefits another state to mess with their water. The city will do anything and everything they can to stave off building a water filtration plant that will cost several billion dollars to construct and upwards of a billion a year to run. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:43:27 PM EDT
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Not saying it's not Cuomo's fault, but that spot price might be due to the incredibly cold temps of late and increased demand.
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:10:03 PM EDT
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Not saying it's not Cuomo's fault, but that spot price might be due to the incredibly cold temps of late and increased demand. It's an artificial scarcity caused by government. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 9:50:21 PM EDT
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They just go around: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5UxipSxeUTo/UK8OdMI52BI/AAAAAAAAA5I/JK3syl2FNDI/s1600/master+pipeline+map+lots+of+layers-FINAL-NY-PA-1.png Map1: Tennessee (Green), Iroquois (Cyan), Transco (Purple), Dominion (brown), Constitution (Red-dotted/Proposed), Marc-1, Emkey, Williams Central Station, Springville Compressor, Bluestone, Laser, NS line, Red=storage, Catskill Park (pink), NYC watershed (violet Now the big new project is the Atlantic Sunrise pipeline which will take gas originally intended to use the Constitution pipeline and send it south to existing pipelines that run to: New York City. So NYC will have huge amounts of cheap natural gas from Pennsylvania while New England gets zero US-produced natural gas and has to rely on hideously expensive Russian natural gas that has to be liquefied and transported by tanker from Russian-annexed Ukrainian ports on the Baltic all the way to Boston. Cuomo: good for cheap natural gas in NYC and American gas payments to Putin for expensive natural gas in New England. If somebody doesn't do ads like that against Cuomo if he runs for president they need to be smacked up side the head. Because the interesting Cuomo-Putin collusion angle over New England's natural gas supply is something that could reach as high as Obama and Clinton as Secretary of State. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 9:55:38 PM EDT
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The southern tier wants to break away and be part of PA. They keep voting liberals in up there, they get what they deserve. Not like there isn't any gas up there, NE PA is swimming it, so is the southern tier but they can't drill and they can't build compression stations and they can't lay pipeline. There will surely be court challenges but the gas companies think they have a good legal approach since nothing will be hydraulic by definition and if this test case works they are going to work in upstate New York over Cuomo's protests. It ought to be hilarious to watch. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 9:58:13 PM EDT
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@FlyingGorilla didn't realize you were a pipeliner, nice.
Isn't that an energy embargo of sorts? |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:04:10 PM EDT
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@FlyingGorilla didn't realize you were a pipeliner, nice. Isn't that an energy embargo of sorts? So I keep up with the industry as much as I can as well as keeping track of New York politics about how the politicians are trying to tax landowners off their properties in the New York State Marcellus and Utica shale zones. It's obvious that when the politicians own all the land with gas rights that New York will allow the gas industry to start working in New York. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:07:08 PM EDT
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Anyone have a news article yet about government blaming the gas companies for price gouging?
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:07:23 PM EDT
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Needs more gov subsidy! |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:28:22 PM EDT
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Not a pipeliner. I'm just a guy in PA who lives on top of a 9000ft deep horizontal bore of a well about one mile away. They're currently fracking the well and I expect royalty checks to start coming in later this spring. So I keep up with the industry as much as I can as well as keeping track of New York politics about how the politicians are trying to tax landowners off their properties in the New York State Marcellus and Utica shale zones. It's obvious that when the politicians own all the land with gas rights that New York will allow the gas industry to start working in New York. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@FlyingGorilla didn't realize you were a pipeliner, nice. Isn't that an energy embargo of sorts? So I keep up with the industry as much as I can as well as keeping track of New York politics about how the politicians are trying to tax landowners off their properties in the New York State Marcellus and Utica shale zones. It's obvious that when the politicians own all the land with gas rights that New York will allow the gas industry to start working in New York. 
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:30:38 PM EDT
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Our wonderful senator Blumenthal as our attorney general helped stop a nat gas depot bin New Haven harbor.
POS. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:36:17 PM EDT
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Forget about it.......Nothing and I mean nothing will ever be allowed to go through anyplace in NY state that passes through (or anywhere near) the watersheds where NYC gets their water. http://www.riverkeeper.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/watershed_nyc_drinkingwater_dep_lowres_2009.jpg |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:40:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most likely you are correct. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:41:12 PM EDT
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I don't know about that. Stuttering Dan Malloy might just be up to the challenge. Completely ignores what the majority of his constituents want, is possibly even more anti-gun than Cuomo, and has absolutely no concept of fiscal responsibility. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The worst governor in the US Crooked, hates the constitution, loves taking more and more from the tax payers, entitled POS. He's an example of what we DONT want in government and a perfect example of why we need a constitution for our protection. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:45:32 PM EDT
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To be honest, most all of New England and the northeast I’ve seen is visually stunning. Things I can remember from my childhood in the south, mainly storefronts and buildings that rotted down due to climate or were changed due to cultural diversity are functional and much more well maintained in the northeast and were very nostalgic sights for me. For some strange reason, there were quite a few kids that moved down here that I became friends with from Boston, NYC and NJ in elementary school, middle school and college and most all went out of their way to fit in. In my experience, get rid of the insane taxes and regulations, get more affordable and I’d look at getting a retirement cabin up there for the summer and fall. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shame it’s an area led by decades of corruption. I enjoy NYC, and really was awed by the beauty and serenity of the Adirondacks and Catskills.  Great fishing seen some big deer taken. Bear coming back. Tons of turkey. More wooded land. Shitty politics controlled by shity urban zones. Eta I use propane. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:21:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What it needs are the NE state governors to mobilize their NG units and invade NY, and make for Albany in a blitzkrieg style assault. Lay siege to the city, shell the capitol building, and cut off all ultilties, while the rats starve and freeze out before the weather starts getting warmer. 240 years ago, we had the yankee-pennemite war. whatever that was. What Cuomo has done has been the spark for wars abroad. I see no reason why it shouldn't be so here. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 12:53:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Constitution pipeline is the one that is needed to increase natural gas supply to New England. Cuomo put the ki-bosh on it just after land acquisition and clearing had been done in Susquehanna county here in PA. Now the big new project is the Atlantic Sunrise pipeline which will take gas originally intended to use the Constitution pipeline and send it south to existing pipelines that run to: New York City. So NYC will have huge amounts of cheap natural gas from Pennsylvania while New England gets zero US-produced natural gas and has to rely on hideously expensive Russian natural gas that has to be liquefied and transported by tanker from Russian-annexed Ukrainian ports on the Baltic all the way to Boston. Cuomo: good for cheap natural gas in NYC and American gas payments to Putin for expensive natural gas in New England. If somebody doesn't do ads like that against Cuomo if he runs for president they need to be smacked up side the head. Because the interesting Cuomo-Putin collusion angle over New England's natural gas supply is something that could reach as high as Obama and Clinton as Secretary of State. Makes no sense to me. Txl |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 5:19:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you're gonna buy from Russia with a Dominion LNG facility on the east coast? Makes no sense to me. Txl Dominion's Cove Point, MD facility is only now coming on-line. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 5:29:17 AM EDT
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Thats what enron used to do with power grid to manipulate prices. Probably done on gas co. orders, lots of profits in fucking people over for basic requirements.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 6:18:06 AM EDT
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The gas companies must not have offered a big enough bribe, |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 6:24:31 AM EDT
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he gets reelected though so..... Total. Not lead. There are allegedly 18 million voters in NY. Maybe they are lazy. Maybe they genuinely believe that the fix is in. Maybe the entire election process in NY is a sham. But that's how people like Cuomo win. And that's how low the bar is set... yet every election year, the state GOP sits on their hands.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 6:39:30 AM EDT
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Anyone have a news article yet about government blaming the gas companies for price gouging? |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 7:08:52 AM EDT
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In NY, 35 years back about 1/3 of your gas or electric bill was taxes, now its more than half, the utility companys are probably the biggest revenures in NYS. |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 7:37:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or, you could simply use solid dielectric cable, with no oil. I guess someday the solid dielectric tech will work out, but for now it is not there. |
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