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Posted: 8/22/2020 11:11:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't need a really big bomb when your CEP is under 100 meters. Additionally you have to cube the yield to double the destructive power of nukes. At a certain point it just becomes more economical to add another RV with another warhead. 14 x 1 megaton warheads will put just as much area under a 5 PSI ring as a single 57 megaton warhead will, with an overall greater chance of mission success. Above a certain size, it's pointless to go any bigger, because more and more of the energy from the explosion just goes off into space, since at some point, straight up becomes the path of least resistance. |
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Posted: 8/22/2020 11:41:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Above a certain size, it's pointless to go any bigger, because more and more of the energy from the explosion just goes off into space, since at some point, straight up becomes the path of least resistance. Apparently the fireball from the Tsar Bomba didn't even touch the ground because it bumped into its own shock wave. So a lot of energy was left on the table so to speak. |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 4:48:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While I'm no sure of the numbers or in any position to have an opinion on them, just about all the literature on this states it was very clean for a nuclear device. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Insignificant radiation even in the center of the site? Quality Soviet radiation testing equipment?  Instruments showed 3.6 roentgens per hour. Not great, not terrible. While I'm no sure of the numbers or in any position to have an opinion on them, just about all the literature on this states it was very clean for a nuclear device. You're delusional. Take him to the infirmary
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Posted: 8/23/2020 6:24:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nazi glass no doubt. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Soviets had plenty of nice cameras AND glass. Not refined, but plenty good. Nazi glass no doubt. Probably East German at that point. |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 6:32:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The scientist who worked or it deliberately dialed it down to 50 instead of 100 megatons. He was afraid of what 100 megatons could do. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Too bad they didn't go for the full 100 MT. The scientist who worked or it deliberately dialed it down to 50 instead of 100 megatons. He was afraid of what 100 megatons could do. And now we'll never know. 
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Posted: 8/23/2020 6:39:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Insignificant radiation even in the center of the site? Quality Soviet radiation testing equipment? I didn't watch the whole thing yet but did catch that part. Did they explain why there was so little radiation? Was it the type of bomb that made this possible? |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 7:09:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm impressed by the quality of some of the footage. It looks great for being 70 years old. I wasn't under the impression that the soviets had that great of cameras and film. Was I wrong? Foreign equipment? Modern processing? Hollywood film tech. |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 7:18:15 AM EDT
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Has technology advanced enough to get that kind of yield in a smaller package ?
I don't know shit about hydrogen or nuclear bombs except that the technology is amazing and they fuck shit up  I am afraid to Google how to build a hydrogen bomb because I might get a visit from the feds
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Posted: 8/23/2020 7:35:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't watch the whole thing yet but did catch that part. Did they explain why there was so little radiation? Was it the type of bomb that made this possible? Someone smarter than me probably has a better answer but I'll try in the meantime. A hydrogen bomb is actually two bombs- it uses an atomic bomb (nuclear fission- splitting uranium or plutonium) to kick-start a a nuclear fusion reaction. Fusion is how the sun works- hydrogen atoms get fused together and release a lot of energy. How "clean" a bomb is radiation-wise depends on how much of the explosive yield is due to each part. The fission part leaves a lot if radioactive by-products ("fission products") which are highly radioactive. The fusion part does not. The Tsar Bomba got most of its power from the fusion reaction part and therefore it's considered a "clean" device. However they left out a bunch of extra fissionable bits for that test. This reduced the explosion's size by 43 megatons and gave the aircrew a 50/50 chance to escape. If they wanted to get the full 100 megaton power of the design they'd have left those in and a larger fraction of the bomb's explosion would have been from fission so the bomb would have been "dirtier" I'm glad they didn't |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 8:06:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has technology advanced enough to get that kind of yield in a smaller package ? I don't know shit about hydrogen or nuclear bombs except that the technology is amazing and they fuck shit up I am afraid to Google how to build a hydrogen bomb because I might get a visit from the feds There is a theoretical limit of somewhere around 6 kilotons per kilogram with the bombs we have now. If there is technology that improves on that, nobody is saying. |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 8:30:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a theoretical limit of somewhere around 6 kilotons per kilogram with the bombs we have now. If there is technology that improves on that, nobody is saying. Can you explain that so a 6th grader can understand ? Asking for my daughter
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Posted: 8/23/2020 8:43:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you explain that so a 6th grader can understand ? Asking for my daughter Not quite 6th grade level, but a good article about it. http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/12/23/kilotons-per-kilogram/ |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 8:45:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you explain that so a 6th grader can understand ? Asking for my daughter Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is a theoretical limit of somewhere around 6 kilotons per kilogram with the bombs we have now. If there is technology that improves on that, nobody is saying. Can you explain that so a 6th grader can understand ? Asking for my daughter Also the link from the previous page , very well explained : http://www.nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/TsarBomba.html |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 8:49:17 AM EDT
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Thanks guys, will read.
I mean my daughter will
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Posted: 8/23/2020 10:39:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems strange that classified footage would be presented in documentary format. Stalin loved films...this would have been for him and his inner circle. |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 10:47:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love the background music, it makes the video seem like one of those old Encyclopedia Brittanica films about farming or cheese production that they used to show us in the second grade.  "And now the doomsday device is carefully packed and ready for shipment to your local supermarket." Dub it with 'How it's Made' Muzak
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Posted: 8/23/2020 10:50:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dub it with 'How it's Made' Muzak Perfect. |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 10:53:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to know more. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Too bad they didn't go for the full 100 MT. From what I understand there was no way to slow the fall enough to allow the plane to fully escape. As it was with the 50Mt explosion they only gave the pilots a 50/50 chance of living. I read somewhere that the pilot immediately retired/resigned after he landed and never flew again. Prolly one of those stories that's embellished. He had 20 years in at that point, he was made a Hero of the Soviet Union a few months later and retired a few years later in 65. I haven't seen anything about if he flew again or not. I'd like to here more about the crew of the plane that was closest to the explosion, but the USAF has never released anything. I want to know more. The US apparently had an instrumented KC-135R aircraft (Operation SpeedLight)[7] in the area of the test – close enough to have been scorched by the blast.[2]  To think we give Russians shit for being cavalier with the lives of their servicemen 
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Posted: 8/23/2020 10:53:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Soviets had plenty of nice cameras AND glass. Not refined, but plenty good. Thanks to zee East Germans? |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 11:05:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently the fireball from the Tsar Bomba didn't even touch the ground because it bumped into its own shock wave. So a lot of energy was left on the table so to speak. Yep. "The Tsar Bomba's fireball, about 8 km (5.0 mi) wide at its maximum, was prevented from touching the ground by the shock wave, but nearly reached 10.5 km (6.5 mi) altitude in the sky – the altitude of the deploying Tu-95 bomber" 
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Posted: 8/23/2020 11:14:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stalin loved films...this would have been for him and his inner circle. Stalin had been dead for many years by the time the Russians lit this firecracker. |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 11:17:41 AM EDT
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interesting..
watching now. I wonder what the 'white paint' was they were spraying on everything (?) anti-radiation or ? |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 11:19:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Insignificant radiation even in the center of the site? Quality Soviet radiation testing equipment? Nope, ZFG to the safety or well being of their government's disposable tools and the opportunity to study the effects 1st hand. I believe the US did a similar test with army soldiers. Stuck them all in foxholes around the blast. Detonated the nuke. The shockwave blasted over their heads. Then had them march towards ground zero. They all had exposure card on them that the "experts" would look at a determine that you were fine and your hair falling out was male pattern baldness. |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 11:19:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: interesting.. watching now. I wonder what the 'white paint' was they were spraying on everything (?) anti-radiation or ? Reflective so the thermal pulse didn’t cook the plane. |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 11:20:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: interesting.. watching now. I wonder what the 'white paint' was they were spraying on everything (?) anti-radiation or ? Free-fall nuclear bombers had their bellies and sometimes the whole aircraft painted anti-flash white to reflect heat. Other colors would absorb it and burn the plane.  
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Posted: 8/23/2020 11:33:10 AM EDT
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Wow, that's sobering.
It was an even bigger bomb than the last Ghostbusters movie! |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 11:37:55 AM EDT
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It would be fun to watch the archaeologists of the future dig up the hydrogen bomb that is buried in the sludge off the Georgia coast
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Posted: 8/23/2020 11:58:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They weren't going to use it on anyone; it was purely for propaganda purposes, to show the West that the Soviets could build massive weapons in response to Western nuclear buildup. Even if they had any intention to use it they wouldn't have gotten far with it. If your "delivery system" for a massive city-obliterating nuke is a slow-ass Bear bomber flying at 30,000 feet there's no way it would have gotten past Norway in a war against NATO, let alone get to New York City. They would have ended up dropping it on Stockholm, that's about it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder what US/English cities they wanted to use that bomb on?  Commies everywhere. They weren't going to use it on anyone; it was purely for propaganda purposes, to show the West that the Soviets could build massive weapons in response to Western nuclear buildup. Even if they had any intention to use it they wouldn't have gotten far with it. If your "delivery system" for a massive city-obliterating nuke is a slow-ass Bear bomber flying at 30,000 feet there's no way it would have gotten past Norway in a war against NATO, let alone get to New York City. They would have ended up dropping it on Stockholm, that's about it.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 12:41:01 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, that's sobering. It was an even bigger bomb than the last Ghostbusters movie! ^ thread winner |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 4:09:36 PM EDT
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That was neat, thanks for sharing that OP.
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Posted: 8/23/2020 4:11:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/23/2020 4:39:58 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What I always wonder, is if that was what we were capable of 60 years ago, what are we capable of now? Hellfires, with fuckin swords attached. Accuracy is more important than power. |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 9:15:20 PM EDT
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 Tzar Bomba effects on different cities from Google Earth |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 9:24:05 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Too bad they didn't go for the full 100 MT. From what I understand, they wanted to go to 100MT but they had no idea what kind of damage to the Earth it would do. They actually dialed down the strength (from what I understand) |
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Posted: 8/23/2020 11:50:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually that wouldn't surprise me if true. Reminds me of a story I heard about a WW2 P47 pilot who emptied his service pistol into the cockpit of his plane after a really bad mission. I think the plane never flew again. Lots of modifications had to be made to that Tu95 so it could carry that huge bitch. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I read somewhere that the pilot immediately retired/resigned after he landed and never flew again. Prolly one of those stories that's embellished. Actually that wouldn't surprise me if true. Reminds me of a story I heard about a WW2 P47 pilot who emptied his service pistol into the cockpit of his plane after a really bad mission. I think the plane never flew again. Lots of modifications had to be made to that Tu95 so it could carry that huge bitch. Here's where I got it from, right around 10:00:  What Happened to the Nuclear Test Sites? |
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Posted: 8/24/2020 12:17:21 AM EDT
[#36]
I read long ago they didnt go for the 100MT due to fears of igniting the planets atmosphere and literally killing all life on the planet.
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Posted: 8/24/2020 12:52:24 AM EDT
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For those who are curious about EMP blasts from nuclear detonations in the upper atmosphere and in space.
 Why Did We Test Nukes in Space? |
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Posted: 8/24/2020 1:15:59 AM EDT
[#38]
Was that Chopin I heard?
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Posted: 8/24/2020 1:18:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I read long ago they didnt go for the 100MT due to fears of igniting the planets atmosphere and literally killing all life on the planet. Doesn't seem like something that the Russians would have lost much sleep over. |
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Posted: 8/24/2020 1:20:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder what US/English cities they wanted to use that bomb on? Commies everywhere. They weren't going to use it on anyone; it was purely for propaganda purposes, to show the West that the Soviets could build massive weapons in response to Western nuclear buildup. Even if they had any intention to use it they wouldn't have gotten far with it. If your "delivery system" for a massive city-obliterating nuke is a slow-ass Bear bomber flying at 30,000 feet there's no way it would have gotten past Norway in a war against NATO, let alone get to New York City. They would have ended up dropping it on Stockholm, that's about it. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/yQOEgRw-67.gif Leia: But they have no weapons! They are a Peaceful People! 
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Posted: 8/24/2020 1:35:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope, ZFG to the safety or well being of their government's disposable tools and the opportunity to study the effects 1st hand. I believe the US did a similar test with army soldiers. Stuck them all in foxholes around the blast. Detonated the nuke. The shockwave blasted over their heads. Then had them march towards ground zero. They all had exposure card on them that the "experts" would look at a determine that you were fine and your hair falling out was male pattern baldness. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Insignificant radiation even in the center of the site? Quality Soviet radiation testing equipment? Nope, ZFG to the safety or well being of their government's disposable tools and the opportunity to study the effects 1st hand. I believe the US did a similar test with army soldiers. Stuck them all in foxholes around the blast. Detonated the nuke. The shockwave blasted over their heads. Then had them march towards ground zero. They all had exposure card on them that the "experts" would look at a determine that you were fine and your hair falling out was male pattern baldness. |
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Posted: 8/24/2020 2:04:34 AM EDT
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At 26 tons in weight it was never really a practical weapon, it could be carried by a slow bomber but there is no way they could get it on a ballistic missile.
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Posted: 8/24/2020 2:26:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope, ZFG to the safety or well being of their government's disposable tools and the opportunity to study the effects 1st hand. I believe the US did a similar test with army soldiers. Stuck them all in foxholes around the blast. Detonated the nuke. The shockwave blasted over their heads. Then had them march towards ground zero. They all had exposure card on them that the "experts" would look at a determine that you were fine and your hair falling out was male pattern baldness. |
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Posted: 8/24/2020 2:27:05 AM EDT
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Nifty. Excellent video quality for The age of it.
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