Now 28 More Copycat Killers Since Lindsay Clancy Murders (Page 3 of 4)
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Originally Posted By Pennsilfaanisch: You have to wonder if this anomaly hasn't always been going on and they're just being caught more frequently now. Think of how high infant mortality rates were even 100-200 years ago. In the 1800s it was as high as 40%. It was probably significantly "easier" to get away with stuff like this and cover up an infant death because death before age 5 was so common. Not suggesting that women were regularly killing their children, but with rates that high it would certainly raise less suspicion back then. - Probably sadly true. - What a depressing thread. I couldn't even read all the way down through all of those. Just sick, Evil, twisted human beings. How could you possibly do that to your kid's? God's judgment will be swift, sure, unalterable - and last for an eternity. |
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Originally Posted By Steamedliver: @BFskinner Since you brought it up, what is the power and the statistical analysis of the data provided? What were your numbers to demonstrate it might be natural variance? Originally Posted By Steamedliver: Originally Posted By BFskinner: That is data but it isn't the same as a statistical analysis across a sufficiently long time frame to determine if it is a meaningful effect (in statistical terms) or just natural variance. @BFskinner Since you brought it up, what is the power and the statistical analysis of the data provided? What were your numbers to demonstrate it might be natural variance? The null hypothesis (that it is random variance) is always the assumption. I don't have to prove it wasn't a statistically-significant increase, the onus is on the person making the argument to prove that it was. Now that we have the statistics issue out of the way I will move on to take issue with your mischaracterization of what I said. I never, even once, said the increase wasn't the result of a "Clancy effect", I simply said that we don't know it was and that doing so in the absence of sufficient evidence is just creating clickbait headlines. |
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Originally Posted By BFskinner: The null hypothesis (that it is random variance) is always the assumption. I don't have to prove it wasn't a statistically-significant increase, the onus is on the person making the argument to prove that it was. Now that we have the statistics issue out of the way I will move on to take issue with your mischaracterization of what I said. I never, even once, said the increase wasn't the result of a "Clancy effect", I simply said that we don't know it was and that doing so in the absence of sufficient evidence is just creating clickbait headlines. Going off those numbers. 84 children killed in a 7 year period puts it at ~12 kids killed a year by their mom. Seems a bit low to be honest. We have nerfed our society from highlighting crimes women commit. |
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Originally Posted By Emeoba69: Going off those numbers. 84 children killed in a 7 year period puts it at ~12 kids killed a year by their mom. Seems a bit low to be honest. We have nerfed our society from highlighting crimes women commit. Originally Posted By Emeoba69: Originally Posted By BFskinner: The null hypothesis (that it is random variance) is always the assumption. I don't have to prove it wasn't a statistically-significant increase, the onus is on the person making the argument to prove that it was. Now that we have the statistics issue out of the way I will move on to take issue with your mischaracterization of what I said. I never, even once, said the increase wasn't the result of a "Clancy effect", I simply said that we don't know it was and that doing so in the absence of sufficient evidence is just creating clickbait headlines. Going off those numbers. 84 children killed in a 7 year period puts it at ~12 kids killed a year by their mom. Seems a bit low to be honest. We have nerfed our society from highlighting crimes women commit. You guys are worried about math and statistics like it’s going to get you an A on your favorite teachers paper. There are quite literally hundreds of thousands of women supporting this vile cunt. That’s the news. These bitches need reigned in real fucking fast. Our country is already ruined by these types of women. Men need to stand the fuck up and start taking back control. Sorry ladies, no more voting. You fucked it up for everyone. |
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Originally Posted By ScoutH57: I mean they aren’t copycats Shit like that happened/ happens. people be crazy Exactly. And if you think women shouldn't vote because of stuff like this then you are as big of fucking moron as the people saying Clancy didn't do it/was tricked into killing her kids. Since guys kill their kids too then I guess no one should be able to vote if you followed the same logic |
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Originally Posted By CAsoldier: You guys are worried about math and statistics like it’s going to get you an A on your favorite teachers paper. There are quite literally hundreds of thousands of women supporting this vile cunt. That’s the news. These bitches need reigned in real fucking fast. Our country is already ruined by these types of women. Men need to stand the fuck up and start taking back control. Sorry ladies, no more voting. You fucked it up for everyone. Lemming like behavior . Dictionary has a definition for humans . Joining a movement that's on a path of destruction and excuses it . |
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Originally Posted By CAsoldier: You guys are worried about math and statistics like it’s going to get you an A on your favorite teachers paper. There are quite literally hundreds of thousands of women supporting this vile cunt. That’s the news. These bitches need reigned in real fucking fast. Our country is already ruined by these types of women. Men need to stand the fuck up and start taking back control. Sorry ladies, no more voting. You fucked it up for everyone. Then just say that instead of making up factuality incorrect assertions for rage bait purposes (ie sparking emotional responses). We are supposed to be the pragmatic logical sex no? I don’t disagree that the woman supporting her are fucked up. 19th will never be repealed. At best it’ll continue to be a social media fantasy. Acting like it’s a possibility is a delusional as these women. Yea yeah yeah there is always a conservative girlfriend in these discussions low key agrees with the fact women voting with emotions is a major issue. Rubber meets the road, repeal was on the ballot, conservative girls aren’t going to vote their own rights away. Obviously leftist would never do it either. It’ll be an easy way to get AOC elected president. I don’t have an answer but, logically, pragmatically, it’ll never happen and we’d lose more ground in any attempt to. |
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Originally Posted By fishing_cabin: Makes me a silent type of angry... This country either needs to bring back mental institutions, as barbaric as they are. Or make a speedy path to the death penalty. I don't see any middle ground. We need both |
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This is nothing new. We have become a Godless society that encourages the murder of babies in the womb. These women are just carrying on the work after they are born. I wish I knew the answer. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By BFskinner: These are all horrible but, unfortunately, parents murder their children all the time. As has already been brought up, I am also calling this bullshit clickbait unless you can show me real data that the murder rate for children has actually increased post-Clancy versus what it was before the Clancy case got this much attention. I am not saying it hasn't but automatically assuming it has just fuels the potential for social contagion rather than reducing it. |
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Originally Posted By Sumo6: Andrea Yates got a lot of attention at the time, but that was before social media. Originally Posted By Sumo6: Originally Posted By fishing_cabin: Originally Posted By Morgan321: How does the rate of moms killing their children now compared to before Clancy became mainstream news? I'm also curious to know. I don't remember another woman, say Susan Smith that did similar get so much attention. Andrea Yates got a lot of attention at the time, but that was before social media. Casey Anthony. How soon we forget. |
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Originally Posted By Torf: That's correct and since no one before 2026 knew to Clancy was, the 2023 date is irrelevant. What is really shows is that cases like this are not uncommon and may* be increasing. *Controlling for better news coverage and attention is not easy. My editorial opinion is that this particular instance seemed to have whatever is necessary to grab headlines and be a stake in the culture war, not that its so unheard of. To state that these are "copycat" crimes is disingenuous. Institutionalization needs to be brought back. This idea that crazy people should live amongst us is asinine and dangerous. Also this idea that if someone is crazy enough we can't punish them, is even more ridiculous. Originally Posted By Torf: Originally Posted By BFskinner: Originally Posted By Notrega: I asked ChatGPT to do a nationwide public-source analysis of maternal child murders, comparing the exact same 1,313-day period before and after Lindsay Clancy became a national story on January 25, 2023. I did not require a mental-health issue or suicide component for a case to count I simply looked for mothers who intentionally killed their children, including murder-suicides, and counted the actual children killed as well as incidents. ChatGPT found 13 maternal child-murder incidents involving 29 children killed in the 1,313 days before Clancy became nationally known, compared with 31 incidents involving 54 children killed in the identical 1,313 days afterward. That's an increase of 18 incidents, or about 138%, and 25 child deaths, or about 86%. ChatGPT also found a suicide component in 12 of the 13 pre-Clancy incidents versus 19 of 31 post-Clancy incidents; successful maternal suicide occurred in 10 pre-Clancy cases versus 13 afterward, while attempted-but-unsuccessful suicide occurred in 2 versus 6. There were also 2 surviving children injured/targeted in the pre-period and 8 in the post-period. So, looking strictly at the publicly identifiable cases, ChatGPT found a substantial increase in both the number of maternal child-murder incidents and the number of children killed after January 25, 2023. MATERNAL CHILD MURDER PRE vs. POST CLANCY PRE-CLANCY NATIONAL ATTENTION June 22, 2019 January 24, 2023 [1,313 days] DATE MOTHER STATE Killed | Injured/Attempted | Mother's Suicide 06/2019 Melissa Partee MI Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 10/31/2019 Ashley Auzenne TX Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 12/25/2019 Erin Pascal MA Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 04/2020 Unnamed mother TX Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/11/2020 Brittany Tucker LA Killed: 4 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 12/08/2020 Oreanna Myers WV Killed: 5 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 04/11/2021 Liliana Carrillo CA Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 02/24/2022 Nicole Strother GA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 03/20/2022 Andrea Langhorst FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 07/27/2022 Sonia Loja CT Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 08/2022 Leandra Andrade VA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 11/10/2022 Jennifer Prescott TX Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 2022 Unnamed mother MI Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted PRE-CLANCY TOTALS: Incidents: 13 Children killed: 29 Children injured/attempted: 0 Mother suicide: 12 Successful: 10 Attempted: 2 POST-CLANCY NATIONAL ATTENTION January 25, 2023 August 30, 2026 [1,313 days] DATE MOTHER STATE Killed | Injured/Attempted | Mother's Suicide 03/03/2023 Shamaiya Hall TX Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 2 | Suicide: No 04/10/2023 Ruth DiRienzo-Whitehead PA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 06/25/2023 Alondra Hobbs GA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 07/17/2023 Patricia Sylvester TN Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 1 | Suicide: Attempted 07/20/2023 Brandy McCaslin OK Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 07/27/2023 Tracy Bondurant IN Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 08/2023 Brandy Hutchins FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 12/12/2023 Naomi Briner IN Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 01/17/2024 Andrea Alarcon NJ Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 02/02/2024 Shirlene Alcime FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 02/18/2024 Makyla Lacey-Robinson WI Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 03/27/2024 Janet Garcia WA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 04/2024 Bernadine Pruessner MO Killed: 4 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/2024 Naomi Elkins NJ Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 08/20/2024 Jennifer Paez MA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 01/2025 Chantell Gardner IN Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 03/19/2025 Saritha Ramaraju CA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 05/18/2025 Rhonda Paulynice FL Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 07/2025 Surah Amon IL Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 07/01/2025 Gbemisola Akayinode TX Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 2025 Nia Williams FL Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 08/18/2025 Emily Long NH Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 02/26/2026 Monika Rubacha FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 04/24/2026 Janette MacAusland MA Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 05/27/2026 Marine Basmajian CA Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/2026 Sarah Myers NY Killed: 4 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/2026 Chardonnay Benavidez OR Killed: 0 | Injured/Attempted: 3 | Suicide: Attempted 07/03/2026 Unnamed Houston mother TX Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful TRIAL STARTS 07/29/2026 Deja Coleman GA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 08/2026 Andrea Faust NC Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 1 | Suicide: Attempted 08/06/2026 Kailey Erhart ND Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 1 | Suicide: Attempted POST-CLANCY TOTALS: Incidents: 31 Children killed: 54 Children injured/attempted: 8 Mother suicide: 19 Successful: 13 Attempted: 6 BOTTOM LINE Pre-Clancy: 13 incidents 29 children killed Post-Clancy: 31 incidents 54 children killed Increase: +18 incidents (+138%) +25 children killed (+86%) Mother suicide: Pre: 12 of 13 Post: 19 of 31 Successful maternal suicide: Pre: 10 Post: 13 Attempted maternal suicide: Pre: 2 Post: 6 That is data but it isn't the same as a statistical analysis across a sufficiently long time frame to determine if it is a meaningful effect (in statistical terms) or just natural variance. What is really shows is that cases like this are not uncommon and may* be increasing. *Controlling for better news coverage and attention is not easy. My editorial opinion is that this particular instance seemed to have whatever is necessary to grab headlines and be a stake in the culture war, not that its so unheard of. To state that these are "copycat" crimes is disingenuous. Institutionalization needs to be brought back. This idea that crazy people should live amongst us is asinine and dangerous. Also this idea that if someone is crazy enough we can't punish them, is even more ridiculous. Bulls**t. They've been glorifying it and perfecting it since the JonBenét Ramsey murder. Then Casey Anthony. |
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Originally Posted By AR15Texan: Bulls**t. They've been glorifying it and perfecting it since the JonBenét Ramsey murder trial. Then Casey Anthony. There was no "JonBenet Ramsey murder trial", no one has been tried in that case. |
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Originally Posted By Im_Awake: I truly believe this: There was the life we knew on 9/10/2001 - and then after 9/11, everything changed. There was the life we knew in January of 2020 - and then after March, everything changed. COVID, and everything that has happened as a result, has broken the West. We are seeing a world that has been flipped upside-down, where good is evil and evil is good. Where laws are wicked, and the wicked becomes law. Where women kill their own children to gain the freedom they'll ultimately lose. Nothing makes sense. People say they're afraid that the End is near - but the truth is, I think it's already here. Take care of each other  Sadly, this is world I see too. Deep in my heart I wish it weren't the case, but the indifference toward our fellow man/woman isn't anything I've ever seen before. I spend more time than I thought I would, trying to caution my kids about the world that may await them. Maybe that comes with middle age, where I realize I could be gone tomorrow, and I want them to be told certain things that only age and wisdom can bring. But this dystopian future is advancing fast. |
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Originally Posted By Jack_Rackham: This is nothing new. We have become a Godless society that encourages the murder of babies in the womb. These women are just carrying on the work after they are born. I wish I knew the answer. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/90884/IMG_5605_jpeg-3819592.JPG We went from the hoax “war on women” to women waging a war on children. |
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Originally Posted By Ops: When a mother kills her child, that almost has to be demonic influence. . What about when a father kills his kids, the mom, and then himself? Plenty of examples of that but they don't make much media since there is never a trial. |
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Originally Posted By Brundoggie: What about when a father kills his kids, the mom, and then himself? Plenty of examples of that but they don't make much media since there is never a trial. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Emeoba69: If it bleeds it leads. Also there was no Jon Benet Ramsey trial. Originally Posted By Emeoba69: Originally Posted By AR15Texan: Bulls**t. They've been glorifying it and perfecting it since the JonBenét Ramsey murder trial. Then Casey Anthony. If it bleeds it leads. Also there was no Jon Benet Ramsey trial. Sorry I thought that they had indicted some family member, not the parents, my bad. |
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Originally Posted By AR15Texan: Bulls**t. They've been glorifying it and perfecting it since the JonBen t Ramsey murder. Then Casey Anthony. Originally Posted By AR15Texan: Originally Posted By Torf: Originally Posted By BFskinner: Originally Posted By Notrega: I asked ChatGPT to do a nationwide public-source analysis of maternal child murders, comparing the exact same 1,313-day period before and after Lindsay Clancy became a national story on January 25, 2023. I did not require a mental-health issue or suicide component for a case to count I simply looked for mothers who intentionally killed their children, including murder-suicides, and counted the actual children killed as well as incidents. ChatGPT found 13 maternal child-murder incidents involving 29 children killed in the 1,313 days before Clancy became nationally known, compared with 31 incidents involving 54 children killed in the identical 1,313 days afterward. That's an increase of 18 incidents, or about 138%, and 25 child deaths, or about 86%. ChatGPT also found a suicide component in 12 of the 13 pre-Clancy incidents versus 19 of 31 post-Clancy incidents; successful maternal suicide occurred in 10 pre-Clancy cases versus 13 afterward, while attempted-but-unsuccessful suicide occurred in 2 versus 6. There were also 2 surviving children injured/targeted in the pre-period and 8 in the post-period. So, looking strictly at the publicly identifiable cases, ChatGPT found a substantial increase in both the number of maternal child-murder incidents and the number of children killed after January 25, 2023. MATERNAL CHILD MURDER PRE vs. POST CLANCY PRE-CLANCY NATIONAL ATTENTION June 22, 2019 January 24, 2023 [1,313 days] DATE MOTHER STATE Killed | Injured/Attempted | Mother's Suicide 06/2019 Melissa Partee MI Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 10/31/2019 Ashley Auzenne TX Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 12/25/2019 Erin Pascal MA Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 04/2020 Unnamed mother TX Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/11/2020 Brittany Tucker LA Killed: 4 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 12/08/2020 Oreanna Myers WV Killed: 5 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 04/11/2021 Liliana Carrillo CA Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 02/24/2022 Nicole Strother GA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 03/20/2022 Andrea Langhorst FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 07/27/2022 Sonia Loja CT Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 08/2022 Leandra Andrade VA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 11/10/2022 Jennifer Prescott TX Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 2022 Unnamed mother MI Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted PRE-CLANCY TOTALS: Incidents: 13 Children killed: 29 Children injured/attempted: 0 Mother suicide: 12 Successful: 10 Attempted: 2 POST-CLANCY NATIONAL ATTENTION January 25, 2023 August 30, 2026 [1,313 days] DATE MOTHER STATE Killed | Injured/Attempted | Mother's Suicide 03/03/2023 Shamaiya Hall TX Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 2 | Suicide: No 04/10/2023 Ruth DiRienzo-Whitehead PA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 06/25/2023 Alondra Hobbs GA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 07/17/2023 Patricia Sylvester TN Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 1 | Suicide: Attempted 07/20/2023 Brandy McCaslin OK Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 07/27/2023 Tracy Bondurant IN Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 08/2023 Brandy Hutchins FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 12/12/2023 Naomi Briner IN Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 01/17/2024 Andrea Alarcon NJ Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 02/02/2024 Shirlene Alcime FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 02/18/2024 Makyla Lacey-Robinson WI Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 03/27/2024 Janet Garcia WA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 04/2024 Bernadine Pruessner MO Killed: 4 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/2024 Naomi Elkins NJ Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 08/20/2024 Jennifer Paez MA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 01/2025 Chantell Gardner IN Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 03/19/2025 Saritha Ramaraju CA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 05/18/2025 Rhonda Paulynice FL Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 07/2025 Surah Amon IL Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 07/01/2025 Gbemisola Akayinode TX Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 2025 Nia Williams FL Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 08/18/2025 Emily Long NH Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 02/26/2026 Monika Rubacha FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 04/24/2026 Janette MacAusland MA Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 05/27/2026 Marine Basmajian CA Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/2026 Sarah Myers NY Killed: 4 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/2026 Chardonnay Benavidez OR Killed: 0 | Injured/Attempted: 3 | Suicide: Attempted 07/03/2026 Unnamed Houston mother TX Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful TRIAL STARTS 07/29/2026 Deja Coleman GA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 08/2026 Andrea Faust NC Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 1 | Suicide: Attempted 08/06/2026 Kailey Erhart ND Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 1 | Suicide: Attempted POST-CLANCY TOTALS: Incidents: 31 Children killed: 54 Children injured/attempted: 8 Mother suicide: 19 Successful: 13 Attempted: 6 BOTTOM LINE Pre-Clancy: 13 incidents 29 children killed Post-Clancy: 31 incidents 54 children killed Increase: +18 incidents (+138%) +25 children killed (+86%) Mother suicide: Pre: 12 of 13 Post: 19 of 31 Successful maternal suicide: Pre: 10 Post: 13 Attempted maternal suicide: Pre: 2 Post: 6 That is data but it isn't the same as a statistical analysis across a sufficiently long time frame to determine if it is a meaningful effect (in statistical terms) or just natural variance. What is really shows is that cases like this are not uncommon and may* be increasing. *Controlling for better news coverage and attention is not easy. My editorial opinion is that this particular instance seemed to have whatever is necessary to grab headlines and be a stake in the culture war, not that its so unheard of. To state that these are "copycat" crimes is disingenuous. Institutionalization needs to be brought back. This idea that crazy people should live amongst us is asinine and dangerous. Also this idea that if someone is crazy enough we can't punish them, is even more ridiculous. Bulls**t. They've been glorifying it and perfecting it since the JonBen t Ramsey murder. Then Casey Anthony. Now if you want to discuss how this is merely the latest example of depravity and how pop culture has come around not only to excuse the murders but to go as far as blame men, or even celebrate it, then fine. No disagreement here. 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Originally Posted By Torf: In order to be a copycat of the crime in question, it has to be substantially similar in many respects as well as take place AFTER the original crime is "popularized". Your examples are lacking. Now if you want to discuss how this is merely the latest example of depravity and how pop culture has come around not only to excuse the murders but to go as far as blame men, or even celebrate it, then fine. No disagreement here. My point is specific to the topic, not a commentary on society. Originally Posted By Torf: Originally Posted By AR15Texan: Originally Posted By Torf: Originally Posted By BFskinner: Originally Posted By Notrega: I asked ChatGPT to do a nationwide public-source analysis of maternal child murders, comparing the exact same 1,313-day period before and after Lindsay Clancy became a national story on January 25, 2023. I did not require a mental-health issue or suicide component for a case to count I simply looked for mothers who intentionally killed their children, including murder-suicides, and counted the actual children killed as well as incidents. ChatGPT found 13 maternal child-murder incidents involving 29 children killed in the 1,313 days before Clancy became nationally known, compared with 31 incidents involving 54 children killed in the identical 1,313 days afterward. That's an increase of 18 incidents, or about 138%, and 25 child deaths, or about 86%. ChatGPT also found a suicide component in 12 of the 13 pre-Clancy incidents versus 19 of 31 post-Clancy incidents; successful maternal suicide occurred in 10 pre-Clancy cases versus 13 afterward, while attempted-but-unsuccessful suicide occurred in 2 versus 6. There were also 2 surviving children injured/targeted in the pre-period and 8 in the post-period. So, looking strictly at the publicly identifiable cases, ChatGPT found a substantial increase in both the number of maternal child-murder incidents and the number of children killed after January 25, 2023. MATERNAL CHILD MURDER PRE vs. POST CLANCY PRE-CLANCY NATIONAL ATTENTION June 22, 2019 January 24, 2023 [1,313 days] DATE MOTHER STATE Killed | Injured/Attempted | Mother's Suicide 06/2019 Melissa Partee MI Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 10/31/2019 Ashley Auzenne TX Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 12/25/2019 Erin Pascal MA Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 04/2020 Unnamed mother TX Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/11/2020 Brittany Tucker LA Killed: 4 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 12/08/2020 Oreanna Myers WV Killed: 5 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 04/11/2021 Liliana Carrillo CA Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 02/24/2022 Nicole Strother GA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 03/20/2022 Andrea Langhorst FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 07/27/2022 Sonia Loja CT Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 08/2022 Leandra Andrade VA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 11/10/2022 Jennifer Prescott TX Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 2022 Unnamed mother MI Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted PRE-CLANCY TOTALS: Incidents: 13 Children killed: 29 Children injured/attempted: 0 Mother suicide: 12 Successful: 10 Attempted: 2 POST-CLANCY NATIONAL ATTENTION January 25, 2023 August 30, 2026 [1,313 days] DATE MOTHER STATE Killed | Injured/Attempted | Mother's Suicide 03/03/2023 Shamaiya Hall TX Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 2 | Suicide: No 04/10/2023 Ruth DiRienzo-Whitehead PA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 06/25/2023 Alondra Hobbs GA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 07/17/2023 Patricia Sylvester TN Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 1 | Suicide: Attempted 07/20/2023 Brandy McCaslin OK Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 07/27/2023 Tracy Bondurant IN Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 08/2023 Brandy Hutchins FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 12/12/2023 Naomi Briner IN Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 01/17/2024 Andrea Alarcon NJ Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 02/02/2024 Shirlene Alcime FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 02/18/2024 Makyla Lacey-Robinson WI Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 03/27/2024 Janet Garcia WA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 04/2024 Bernadine Pruessner MO Killed: 4 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/2024 Naomi Elkins NJ Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 08/20/2024 Jennifer Paez MA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 01/2025 Chantell Gardner IN Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 03/19/2025 Saritha Ramaraju CA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 05/18/2025 Rhonda Paulynice FL Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 07/2025 Surah Amon IL Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 07/01/2025 Gbemisola Akayinode TX Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 2025 Nia Williams FL Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 08/18/2025 Emily Long NH Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 02/26/2026 Monika Rubacha FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 04/24/2026 Janette MacAusland MA Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 05/27/2026 Marine Basmajian CA Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/2026 Sarah Myers NY Killed: 4 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/2026 Chardonnay Benavidez OR Killed: 0 | Injured/Attempted: 3 | Suicide: Attempted 07/03/2026 Unnamed Houston mother TX Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful TRIAL STARTS 07/29/2026 Deja Coleman GA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 08/2026 Andrea Faust NC Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 1 | Suicide: Attempted 08/06/2026 Kailey Erhart ND Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 1 | Suicide: Attempted POST-CLANCY TOTALS: Incidents: 31 Children killed: 54 Children injured/attempted: 8 Mother suicide: 19 Successful: 13 Attempted: 6 BOTTOM LINE Pre-Clancy: 13 incidents 29 children killed Post-Clancy: 31 incidents 54 children killed Increase: +18 incidents (+138%) +25 children killed (+86%) Mother suicide: Pre: 12 of 13 Post: 19 of 31 Successful maternal suicide: Pre: 10 Post: 13 Attempted maternal suicide: Pre: 2 Post: 6 That is data but it isn't the same as a statistical analysis across a sufficiently long time frame to determine if it is a meaningful effect (in statistical terms) or just natural variance. What is really shows is that cases like this are not uncommon and may* be increasing. *Controlling for better news coverage and attention is not easy. My editorial opinion is that this particular instance seemed to have whatever is necessary to grab headlines and be a stake in the culture war, not that its so unheard of. To state that these are "copycat" crimes is disingenuous. Institutionalization needs to be brought back. This idea that crazy people should live amongst us is asinine and dangerous. Also this idea that if someone is crazy enough we can't punish them, is even more ridiculous. Bulls**t. They've been glorifying it and perfecting it since the JonBen t Ramsey murder. Then Casey Anthony. Now if you want to discuss how this is merely the latest example of depravity and how pop culture has come around not only to excuse the murders but to go as far as blame men, or even celebrate it, then fine. No disagreement here. My point is specific to the topic, not a commentary on society. More than one of those murderers in the headlines I posted is pleading insanity, more than one is blaming medication they were taking, more than one attempted suicide and two succeeded, three are from Massachusetts, and all 27 occurred after the Lindsay Clancy murders. Copycats. You don't get to define the word. |
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Originally Posted By Brundoggie: What about when a father kills his kids, the mom, and then himself? Plenty of examples of that but they don't make much media since there is never a trial. The difference is, dudes then don't get together and support the father, throw out wacky claims of someone else doing it, and generally start voicing opinions saying that they have thought about doing it, or else "seeing themselves" in the dirt bag. That is what this is all about. |
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Originally Posted By AR15Texan: More than one of those murderers in the headlines I posted is pleading insanity, more than one is blaming medication they were taking, more than one attempted suicide and two succeeded, three are from Massachusetts, and all 27 occurred after the Lindsay Clancy murders. Copycats. You don't get to define the word. Yeah that still doesn’t mean any of them are copycat incidents. All of the factors you cited are common in cases whether mothers kill their children. Just like there are extremely similar fact patterns when the father does it. |
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Originally Posted By Federov: The difference is, dudes then don't get together and support the father, throw out wacky claims of someone else doing it, and generally start voicing opinions saying that they have thought about doing it, or else "seeing themselves" in the dirt bag. That is what this is all about. What you generally see when the father kills family members is people blaming the mother/spouse, the court system (often in custody/divorce situations) etc. |
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Not gonna read this whole thread, because honestly I don’t need to think about this stuff more than I already do, but I would not call any of this “copycat”, as such horrible crimes have happened many times in the past. One of, if not the absolute worst, incidents I was involved with was a mother tossing her kids off a bridge, killing one. Absolutely horrible to look at a dead little kid, knowing she did it just to spite her ex husband. This happened long ago, because like I said, it has happened forever. Vindictive people kill their kids, men do it as well. They should all see a rope at the gallows, the are broken people and cannot be fixed. |
a loaded gun won’t set you free, so you say…
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Hadn't really followed this case, but the first article I read about postpartum psychosis: 1) incidence is somewhat low, but >1 is unsat 2) there are no screening protocols Not to justify anyone's behavior, but if there's a chance a mother might kill her children, that seems to be a public health emergency that warrants attention and safeguards. Hopefully some sort of screening becomes standard for all mothers.. |
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Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR: Yeah that still doesn’t mean any of them are copycat incidents. All of the factors you cited are common in cases whether mothers kill their children. Just like there are extremely similar fact patterns when the father does it. Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR: Originally Posted By AR15Texan: More than one of those murderers in the headlines I posted is pleading insanity, more than one is blaming medication they were taking, more than one attempted suicide and two succeeded, three are from Massachusetts, and all 27 occurred after the Lindsay Clancy murders. Copycats. You don't get to define the word. Yeah that still doesn’t mean any of them are copycat incidents. All of the factors you cited are common in cases whether mothers kill their children. Just like there are extremely similar fact patterns when the father does it. Would the phrase "correlation does not equal causation" apply here? |
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I am not making excuses, but I think how the medical system treats people that need mental help is broken. This woman knew something was wrong with her mentally and she was trying to get help from medical doctors for months. Look at the list of meds she was being put on and off and on again. Even when someone has phycosis, the doctor relies on what that person says as to how they are doing before the meds and after on meds. It is broken. Someone that has psychosis may be in and out of reality and in and out of paranoia. Someone psychotic can think the doctor is the enemy and lie like crazy making herself seem normal in conversation but actually be completely out of touch with reality, yet the doctor takes what they say, if they say normal things, as truth. They do not rely on family or friends observations because of HIPPA. It is completely broken. Now add psych meds which are trial and error because they don't measure brain chemistry, they just throw brain altering drugs at someone, with no observation and rely on what the patient says about how they feel unless they are in an inpatient facility. It doesn't work. the whole system is ineffective and can make things much worse. I think looking back on it, she should have been in a psych hospital to be put on meds and stabilized, but that shit is expensive, it is much easier to throw dangerous meds at someone and hope for the best. Most SSRIs and SNRIs and psychosis meds carry an FDA suicidal warning, they should also carry a homicidal warning too, because there is not much difference between wanting to kill yourself and wanting to kill your kids to save them from some imagined horrible threat and I think the majority of these cases where the mom or dad kill their kids they are on at lest one of these drugs if not several, yet nothing is done about it. Doctors even prescribe these dangerous drugs off label as sleep aids, pain relievers, and for anxiety, not just depression and people have very different results and reactions. The whole process is fucked up, yet it keeps on happening over and over again. |
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Originally Posted By AgeOne: However, we've never seen and never will see other men supporting a man who murderd a child. Originally Posted By AgeOne: Originally Posted By Windustsearch: Now do a search on men killing off their kids... It's both. However, we've never seen and never will see other men supporting a man who murderd a child. Anyone who does it should be terminated with extreme prejudice |
"The villainy you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction"
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Originally Posted By CAsoldier: There are quite literally hundreds of thousands of women supporting this vile cunt. That’s the news. These bitches need reigned in real fucking fast. Our country is already ruined by these types of women. Men need to stand the fuck up and start taking back control. Sorry ladies, no more voting. You fucked it up for everyone. You mean men like those who make up 94% of the prison population? I mean, if we’re basing voting on perpetration of or support for heinous acts, men are on shaky ground. And the reality of a lot of the support Clancy is getting isn’t supporting what she did. It’s based on the fact that women’s medical concerns are routinely minimized or dismissed or completely mismanaged by the professionals who are supposed to know what they’re doing. Up until 1993, it wasn’t even required to include women in medical studies, even though it’s been understood for ages that medications affect women differently. Many of the “safe” medications and doses were never even tested on women. That’s not just minor oversight. A large number of the “Clancy supporters” are simply saying “this is what can happen when y’all can’t be bothered to actually manage things right. Maybe you should fix that.” |
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Somewhere you jumped the monogomy shark and landed in beastiality - Stickfigure
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Somewhere you jumped the monogomy shark and landed in beastiality - Stickfigure
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Originally Posted By Federov: The difference is, dudes then don't get together and support the father, throw out wacky claims of someone else doing it, and generally start voicing opinions saying that they have thought about doing it, or else "seeing themselves" in the dirt bag. That is what this is all about. Originally Posted By Federov: Originally Posted By Brundoggie: What about when a father kills his kids, the mom, and then himself? Plenty of examples of that but they don't make much media since there is never a trial. The difference is, dudes then don't get together and support the father, throw out wacky claims of someone else doing it, and generally start voicing opinions saying that they have thought about doing it, or else "seeing themselves" in the dirt bag. That is what this is all about. You get a whole lot of “I’m not saying it’s right, but I understand” when a guy kills his wife/girlfried (and sometimes kids) if he finds out she’s leaving or been cheating or the kids aren’t his. Sometimes it’s “yeah, that was messed up, but what did she expect?” Or “family courts need reformed and what did the wife/mother do to provoke him?” |
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24/365 Most Likely to Outshoot Her Spouse
24/365 Most Likely to Eat Your Heart
Somewhere you jumped the monogomy shark and landed in beastiality - Stickfigure
24/365 Most Likely to Outshoot Her Spouse
24/365 Most Likely to Eat Your Heart
Somewhere you jumped the monogomy shark and landed in beastiality - Stickfigure
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Originally Posted By Notrega: I asked ChatGPT to test this from several angles using national homicide data and a public-source review of maternal child murders. ChatGPT found that U.S. child homicide did have a real upward trend after about 2013, increasing roughly 4.3% per year through 2020, before declining again in 2022–2023. So there was already an increase happening before Lindsay Clancy became nationally known. The original media-based comparison also found more maternal child-murder incidents and more children killed after January 25, 2023, but after digging into the national data, you can not claim that proves a Clancy effect. The national data don’t provide a clean enough maternal-only annual series through 2026 to establish that. What ChatGPT did find is that the increase in child homicide generally predates Clancy, meaning the real question is whether maternal child murders increased above the existing trend after her case became nationally known—not simply whether there were more cases afterward. Not enough data yet. How many of those new cases did the defendant's claim innocent by reason of insanity? The real data for if they are copy cats is their defense strategy. |
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Originally Posted By NobodyHere: - Probably sadly true. - What a depressing thread. I couldn't even read all the way down through all of those. Just sick, Evil, twisted human beings. How could you possibly do that to your kid's? God's judgment will be swift, sure, unalterable - and last for an eternity. Originally Posted By NobodyHere: Originally Posted By Pennsilfaanisch: You have to wonder if this anomaly hasn't always been going on and they're just being caught more frequently now. Think of how high infant mortality rates were even 100-200 years ago. In the 1800s it was as high as 40%. It was probably significantly "easier" to get away with stuff like this and cover up an infant death because death before age 5 was so common. Not suggesting that women were regularly killing their children, but with rates that high it would certainly raise less suspicion back then. - Probably sadly true. - What a depressing thread. I couldn't even read all the way down through all of those. Just sick, Evil, twisted human beings. How could you possibly do that to your kid's? God's judgment will be swift, sure, unalterable - and last for an eternity. Medea, Ino, Agave, Althaea, Procne, literature is replete with stories of mothers killing their children, well, at least Greek stories. There are some Indian (subcontinent) stories also. If these stories exist it can perhaps be assumed that such behavior has been of some concern throughout history. |
Liberty is meaningless where the right to utter one's thoughts and opinions has ceased to exist. That, of all rights, is the dread of tyrants. It is the right which they first of all strike down. They know its power. F. Douglass
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Originally Posted By CAsoldier: You guys are worried about math and statistics like it’s going to get you an A on your favorite teachers paper. There are quite literally hundreds of thousands of women supporting this vile cunt. That’s the news. These bitches need reigned in real fucking fast. Our country is already ruined by these types of women. Men need to stand the fuck up and start taking back control. Sorry ladies, no more voting. You fucked it up for everyone. Originally Posted By CAsoldier: Originally Posted By Emeoba69: Originally Posted By BFskinner: The null hypothesis (that it is random variance) is always the assumption. I don't have to prove it wasn't a statistically-significant increase, the onus is on the person making the argument to prove that it was. Now that we have the statistics issue out of the way I will move on to take issue with your mischaracterization of what I said. I never, even once, said the increase wasn't the result of a "Clancy effect", I simply said that we don't know it was and that doing so in the absence of sufficient evidence is just creating clickbait headlines. Going off those numbers. 84 children killed in a 7 year period puts it at ~12 kids killed a year by their mom. Seems a bit low to be honest. We have nerfed our society from highlighting crimes women commit. You guys are worried about math and statistics like it’s going to get you an A on your favorite teachers paper. There are quite literally hundreds of thousands of women supporting this vile cunt. That’s the news. These bitches need reigned in real fucking fast. Our country is already ruined by these types of women. Men need to stand the fuck up and start taking back control. Sorry ladies, no more voting. You fucked it up for everyone. Yep. |
Liberty is meaningless where the right to utter one's thoughts and opinions has ceased to exist. That, of all rights, is the dread of tyrants. It is the right which they first of all strike down. They know its power. F. Douglass
| La Llorona, Mexican woman ghost that is part of the popular culture. Pops up in movies, stories etc. Something to scare the kids. The story goes she drowned her kids then drowned herself. Her ghost searchers for her kids. She mistakes other kids as her kids then drowns them. |
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Originally Posted By Federov: The difference is, dudes then don't get together and support the father, throw out wacky claims of someone else doing it, and generally start voicing opinions saying that they have thought about doing it, or else "seeing themselves" in the dirt bag. That is what this is all about. Originally Posted By Federov: Originally Posted By Brundoggie: What about when a father kills his kids, the mom, and then himself? Plenty of examples of that but they don't make much media since there is never a trial. The difference is, dudes then don't get together and support the father, throw out wacky claims of someone else doing it, and generally start voicing opinions saying that they have thought about doing it, or else "seeing themselves" in the dirt bag. That is what this is all about. If there is no trial and no media attention, you are not going to see a big public outcry by other men. That is what this is all about. |
an event "of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,"