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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:11:42 PM EDT
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Any updates on the negotiations from earlier today? Haven't seen shit about it. Estonia calling for a no fly zone is certainly interesting. If they stay alone in this, no big deal. If this becomes a point of contention amongst NATO states it weakens the West. A few outliers here and there is okay, but leaving the resolve of the group up in the air is bad. We'll see how this plays out and I don't expect much other support for a no fly zone.
The no fly zone being established leads into a couple of scenarios: 1. Russia/NATO air conflict- very bad 2. Russia backing down down and honoring the no fly - good, but Russia still continues the artillery slaughter. It would show that Putin is willing to step back from the brink and is operating at least rationally. The end result is still mostly the same IF Putin chooses door number 2. Russian air assets haven't been a key player in this. The biggest thing you get out of a no fly abided by Russia is determining the commitment level and sanity of Putin. At the sincere risk of door number 1. Not worth it. I still want the US or allies to start fucking with Russian puppet states like Belarus, Cuba, Syria, Venezuela. Turn the tables on Putin. Do it without announcing it. Make Putin either spend shit tons of resources to come to his allies rescue, or gain control or leverage over other nations, some much closer to home. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:11:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Russia won't tolerate that again. It might be the last live news broadcast. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:14:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: The moral high ground offers no tactical advantage whatsoever. Drawing Russian resources away from the invasion would help Ukraine. The moral high ground gets you free ATGMs. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:14:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDoes russia even care? The priority is conquering Ukraine. Everything else is secondary at this point. They will just force their troops to fight for no pay if they have to. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:14:23 PM EDT
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Looks like the Iranians want to play too.
Israeli government websites have crashed on Monday evening as they were the target of a cyberattack alleged to be linked to Iranian hacker groups, Israel's Communication Ministry confirmed. Communications Minister Yoaz Hendel is holding a situational assessment to determine the scope of the cyberattack on Israeli online infrastructure. The issue is being addressed, the ministry added. This is the largest-ever cyberattack carried out against official Israeli websites, an Israeli source told Haaretz, adding that Israel initially believes a state actor or large organization had carried out the attack. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:14:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goneshootin: How effective are Patriot missiles now? I know early on in the middle east they struggled knocking down other missiles. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:15:20 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Ukraine already hit targets on Russian territory. I was not aware. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:15:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: Any updates on the negotiations from earlier today? Haven't seen shit about it. Estonia calling for a no fly zone is certainly interesting. If they stay alone in this, no big deal. If this becomes a point of contention amongst NATO states it weakens the West. A few outliers here and there is okay, but leaving the resolve of the group up in the air is bad. We'll see how this plays out and I don't expect much other support for a no fly zone. The no fly zone being established leads into a couple of scenarios: 1. Russia/NATO air conflict- very bad 2. Russia backing down down and honoring the no fly - good, but Russia still continues the artillery slaughter. It would show that Putin is willing to step back from the brink and is operating at least rationally. The end result is still mostly the same IF Putin chooses door number 2. Russian air assets haven't been a key player in this. The biggest thing you get out of a no fly abided by Russia is determining the commitment level and sanity of Putin. At the sincere risk of door number 1. Not worth it. I still want the US or allies to start fucking with Russian puppet states like Belarus, Cuba, Syria, Venezuela. Turn the tables on Putin. Do it without announcing it. Make Putin either spend shit tons of resources to come to his allies rescue, or gain control or leverage over other nations, some much closer to home. @Walleyeguy24 Think negotiations got pushed to tomorrow. That’s what BBC said a while ago. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:16:22 PM EDT
[#9]
A captive Russian conscript says that their country treats them like cannon fodder
 A captive Russian conscript says that their country treats them like cannon fodder |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:16:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By absael: I don't have an answer to that, but in the context of this conflict, it doesn't matter... Ukraine isn't going to be getting any. Why not? They are defensive weapons to protect against cruise missiles. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:17:50 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Does russia even care? The priority is conquering Ukraine. Everything else is secondary at this point. They will just force their troops to fight for no pay if they have to. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:20:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyharriett: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/121296/Alena_in_Poland_at_EURO_championships_jp-2313238.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/121296/Alena_WPA_Euro_championships_sized_jpg-2313242.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/121296/Alena_042217cropped_jpg-2313244.JPG She is retired now from professional power lifting but when competing won over 40 gold medals in her age/56kg weight class and I am beyond proud of her. She has her masters degree and speaks 5 languages. We've been together for 11 1/2 amazing years. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyharriett: Originally Posted By zephyr: Originally Posted By dirtyharriett: My Ukrainian spouse was a professional fitness trainer there for around 7 years so I've had an inside view of this for some time now. Damint man, we still have rules here!  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/121296/Alena_in_Poland_at_EURO_championships_jp-2313238.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/121296/Alena_WPA_Euro_championships_sized_jpg-2313242.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/121296/Alena_042217cropped_jpg-2313244.JPG She is retired now from professional power lifting but when competing won over 40 gold medals in her age/56kg weight class and I am beyond proud of her. She has her masters degree and speaks 5 languages. We've been together for 11 1/2 amazing years. You're married to Vera ?  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:20:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: Die Hard two, all those dumptrucks of gold bars would all have been like tens of tons over weight, tire flattening spring destroying overweight. Ever read about the evacuation of the Fed vault in the WTC after 9/11? @nickmemphis |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:22:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: So does a no fly zone mean Ukrainians can fly? I thought it meant no flying whatsoever Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: Originally Posted By mancow: I would hope we are able to discriminate. So does a no fly zone mean Ukrainians can fly? I thought it meant no flying whatsoever It would be what they say it would be. My guess is Ukraine requests and the country or countries enforcing it gets to decide what is allowed in the air and what isn't. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:22:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: absael]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Why not? They are defensive weapons to protect against cruise missiles. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By absael: I don't have an answer to that, but in the context of this conflict, it doesn't matter... Ukraine isn't going to be getting any. Why not? They are defensive weapons to protect against cruise missiles. BTW, please use Quote All when appropriate; including only the last post in your response makes the conversation difficult for others to follow. 
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:24:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Why not? They are defensive weapons to protect against cruise missiles. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By absael: I don't have an answer to that, but in the context of this conflict, it doesn't matter... Ukraine isn't going to be getting any. Why not? They are defensive weapons to protect against cruise missiles. Because we are not going to send Americans to operate them.. period. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:28:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: doc540]
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LA, USA
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:29:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryVery cool I can dig the vibe |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:32:21 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Estonia (NATO) officially calls for a no fly zone. Estonia's Parliament adopts resolution urging to close sky over Ukraine So they can institute a no fly zone independently with their own Air Force. Right? |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:33:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: At what cost? Leveling of all major cities? Is that considered a win? Russia will throw away alot more men and material into this than Ukraine can. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By SheltiePimp: Pro Russian accounts are up and active, they are posting more content in the past 6 hours since the start of the war. Drones, ambushes, artillery, and guided-missile strikes. Extremely graphic and similar to what we have seen posted by Ukrainian forces. Artillery, especially drone and laser-guided artillery, is coming into play for Russia.  That's war man. Both sides are gonna have casualties. But one things for certain, Ukraine is winning. At what cost? Leveling of all major cities? Is that considered a win? Russia will throw away alot more men and material into this than Ukraine can. Are you suggesting that Ukraine should just give up? Would you just give up if it were your home that was attacked? |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:35:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: The question was about the 30mm cannon.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By mnd6563: Can that 30mm cannon have any significant effect on a T-72bm? From side and rear is a kill possible, front maybe a mission kill if they hit optics or the main gun. But it would be stupid to try one on one, the T-72 can engage a BTR-4 at 4km. Plot twist, the BTR-4 can also engage at 4km with Konkurs or Barrier ATGM. The question was about the 30mm cannon. Can the T-72 see 4km? The B3M maybe (I can't find anything on the Russian optics) but they are still using a lot of plain ERA-upgraded T-72B, especially the Donbass forces. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:36:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By absael: Largely because it's not as simple as just shipping some over there and letting the Ukrainians start using them. They would have to be accompanied by a large team of trained Americans, and that's not happening. BTW, please use Quote All when appropriate; including only the last post in your response makes the conversation difficult for others to follow. Yeah, we don't want them accidentally shooting down an airliner. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:39:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Torqued: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNZs0GyXwAEopI7?format=jpg&name=large Right clock... save as! Thank you @torqued! Slava Ukraini... Heroiam Slava! |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:40:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlueSetter: So they can institute a no fly zone independently with their own Air Force. Right? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlueSetter: Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: Estonia (NATO) officially calls for a no fly zone. Estonia's Parliament adopts resolution urging to close sky over Ukraine So they can institute a no fly zone independently with their own Air Force. Right? Not with their 6 unarmed aircraft. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:41:46 PM EDT
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Plans for a joint Saudi Arabia-China refining and petrochemical complex to be built in northeast China that were shelved in 2020 are now being discussed again, according to sources close to the deal. The original deal for Saudi Aramco and China's North Industries Group (Norinco) and Panjin Sincen Group to build the US$10 billion 300,000 barrels per day (bpd) integrated refining and petrochemical facility in Panjin city was signed in February 2019. However, in the aftermath of the enduring low prices and economic damage that hit Saudi Arabia as a result of the Second Oil Price War it instigated in the first half of 2020 against the U.S. shale oil threat, Aramco pulled out of the deal in August of that year. The fact that this landmark refinery joint venture is back under serious consideration underlines the extremely significant shift in Saudi Arabia's geopolitical alliances in the past few years principally away from the U.S. and its allies and towards China and its allies. Up until the 2014-2016 Oil Price War, intended by Saudi Arabia to destroy the then-nascent U.S. shale oil sector, the foundation of U.S.-Saudi relations had been the deal struck on 14 February 1945 between the then-U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt and the Saudi King Abdulaziz. In essence, but analyzed in-depth in my new book on the global oil markets, this was that the U.S. would receive all of the oil supplies it needed for as long as Saudi had oil in place, in return for which the U.S. would guarantee the security both of the ruling House of Saud and, by extension, of Saudi Arabia. China And Saudi Arabia Strengthen Ties With $10 Billion Petrochemical Plan |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:42:07 PM EDT
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With this talk of Ukraine "winning", I am not at all convinced russia is in a position that they can't continue bringing in more and more and more people and artillery to shell cities. That is the only "winning". The cruise missiles have not stopped. The shelling has not stopped. The expansion of russian activity has not stopped. They have more people and more shells to replace the ones they've used or lost. Russian troops will continue fighting because the punishment of refusing to fight is worse.
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:45:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ryan_Scott]
[#27]
If Ukraine can keep inflicting casualties on Russia like this eventually there will be Russians surrendering.
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:51:40 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
It's called "wounded", Peanut. "Injured" is when you fall out of a tree or something. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:54:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: With this talk of Ukraine "winning", I am not at all convinced russia is in a position that they can't continue bringing in more and more and more people and artillery to shell cities. That is the only "winning". The cruise missiles have not stopped. The shelling has not stopped. The expansion of russian activity has not stopped. They have more people and more shells to replace the ones they've used or lost. Russian troops will continue fighting because the punishment of refusing to fight is worse. It's more a "Ukraine isn't necessarily winning but Russia is definitely losing". |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:54:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: With this talk of Ukraine "winning", I am not at all convinced russia is in a position that they can't continue bringing in more and more and more people and artillery to shell cities. That is the only "winning". The cruise missiles have not stopped. The shelling has not stopped. The expansion of russian activity has not stopped. They have more people and more shells to replace the ones they've used or lost. Russian troops will continue fighting because the punishment of refusing to fight is worse. At what point does their economy collapse? The more force Russia brings to bear, the more dead civilians and the tighter the sanctions will become. It should be noted that outside of the government mandated sanctions, many large corporations are simply deciding they will no longer do business with Russia. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:55:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: It's more a "Ukraine isn't necessarily winning but Russia is definitely losing". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By stone-age: With this talk of Ukraine "winning", I am not at all convinced russia is in a position that they can't continue bringing in more and more and more people and artillery to shell cities. That is the only "winning". The cruise missiles have not stopped. The shelling has not stopped. The expansion of russian activity has not stopped. They have more people and more shells to replace the ones they've used or lost. Russian troops will continue fighting because the punishment of refusing to fight is worse. It's more a "Ukraine isn't necessarily winning but Russia is definitely losing". That's a great way to describe it. This conflict has two theaters: the physical conflict on the ground and the economic "conflict" on Russia's economy. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:59:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: I was not aware. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By Cypher15: Ukraine already hit targets on Russian territory. I was not aware. Well, according to Putin, Ukraine isn't a real nation, and it's Russian territory. So yeah, based on that... |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:03:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: A captive Russian conscript says that their country treats them like cannon fodder  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wExLrR6if0Before sanctions hit he was making the equivalent of $25 per month. That isn’t missing a zero. Russians,for all their supposed love of the military,have conscripts occupying one of the lowest positions of society. Out of that $25 per month they’re having to pay protection money to their NCOs and depending upon where to “thieves in law” who shake them down. There’s not much glorious about being a Russian conscript,saying nothing of living in ancient barracks with no hot water. Honestly it’s a miracle more of them don’t desert but there what the threat of being an enemy of the state is there for as motivation. They have a bizarre death cult where they only care about soldiers after they are dead. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:03:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By feetpiece: It's called "wounded", Peanut. "Injured" is when you fall out of a tree or something. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By feetpiece: Originally Posted By Chokey:
It's called "wounded", Peanut. "Injured" is when you fall out of a tree or something. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:05:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlueSetter: So they can institute a no fly zone independently with their own Air Force. Right? We are not allowed to have armed aircraft,the US and Germany decided that would be too provocative towards Russia. It is also why we have only weak short range air defense;we have zero means to intercept Russian missiles ourselves. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:05:54 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LoBrau: @dillydilly done You da MVP. 😎 |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:07:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: We are not allowed to have armed aircraft,the US and Germany decided that would be too provocative towards Russia. It is also why we have only weak short range air defense;we have zero means to intercept Russian missiles ourselves. That’s fucked up. I was just looking at your “Airforce inventory” on wiki a few minutes ago. Y’all need some f16’s or Saab gripens. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:07:32 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: We are not allowed to have armed aircraft,the US and Germany decided that would be too provocative towards Russia. It is also why we have only weak short range air defense;we have zero means to intercept Russian missiles ourselves. By what mechanism is this enforced? |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:08:23 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Before sanctions hit he was making the equivalent of $25 per month. That isn’t missing a zero. Russians,for all their supposed love of the military,have conscripts occupying one of the lowest positions of society. Out of that $25 per month they’re having to pay protection money to their NCOs and depending upon where to “thieves in law” who shake them down. There’s not much glorious about being a Russian conscript,saying nothing of living in ancient barracks with no hot water. Honestly it’s a miracle more of them don’t desert but there what the threat of being an enemy of the state is there for as motivation. They have a bizarre death cult where they only care about soldiers after they are dead. Seems like you could probably hire them to switch sides or just pay them to surrender. If they demand it you could even report them dead, issue them ID from Donbass and give them a job cleaning up rubble. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:10:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: If there is a no-fly zone established, nato planes will enforce it by shooting down rusian planes and they will fire back. ww3. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By planemaker: V-22s with F-35 escorts bringing food to Mariupol? Announce that's what you're going to do (since the rooskies were crowing about a humanitarian crisis) and tell everybody to cease fire for a few hours. As bad as the Russian comms are, though, it might take a week for word to get thru to all the ground forces.  If there is a no-fly zone established, nato planes will enforce it by shooting down rusian planes and they will fire back. ww3. Seems like if the Russians and Ukraine can agree on a cease-fire, that would be an opportune time for that sort of thing to occur. The potato-in-thief's handlers aren't smart enough to engage with the parties involved to work that kind of arrangement. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:11:21 PM EDT
[#41]
From yesterday...
Commander of the Ukrainian 24th Brigade, Colonel Valeriy Hudz killed in fighting in Luhansk area.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:11:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SmilingBandit]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: By what mechanism is this enforced? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By outofbattery: We are not allowed to have armed aircraft,the US and Germany decided that would be too provocative towards Russia. It is also why we have only weak short range air defense;we have zero means to intercept Russian missiles ourselves. By what mechanism is this enforced? Coercion I imagine. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:13:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:14:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:14:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroEngineer: At what point does their economy collapse? The more force Russia brings to bear, the more dead civilians and the tighter the sanctions will become. It should be noted that outside of the government mandated sanctions, many large corporations are simply deciding they will no longer do business with Russia. Winning this fight is the highest priority for Putin. If they can eventually destroy all of ukraine if necessary, regardless of lost troops, regardless of crashed economy, regardless of starvation of his people, he will take a victory lap and declare that the powerful russian army can't be stopped no matter how long it takes. Many russian people will be proud of the suffering they were able to survive in order to show how tough they are and how strong their army is. If enough people protest to overwhelm the governments machine-guns, that matters. I see no reason to believe that is going to happen. More and more troops and artillery to encircle and lay seige to Ukraine cities until they give up, regardless of the loss. And I definitely think chemical weapons are on the table if necessary to win. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:14:43 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
That lady is going to be in the clink for along time. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:20:39 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: By what mechanism is this enforced? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By outofbattery: We are not allowed to have armed aircraft,the US and Germany decided that would be too provocative towards Russia. It is also why we have only weak short range air defense;we have zero means to intercept Russian missiles ourselves. By what mechanism is this enforced? Probably the same one that has held Germany to it’s commitments over the years. 
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:21:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cobradriver: I always knew china had major issues just from stories 2 of my Cousins told from working in china for their different companies. Both were in completely different areas and had the same type of stories. Then I found ADVriders channel and holy shit that really reinforced my opinion. Both of the companies my Cousins worked for have moved production back to the good ol USA. It took a few years but they were done in 2015/2016. The final straw was having to purchase American made steel, shipping it to china and then being able to make their products. Chinese steel wasn't even close to good enough... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cobradriver: Originally Posted By GTLandser: Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: No flat tires yet.  I laughed so hard milk almost shot out of my nose when I heard Russia was asking China for more military equipment. What a joke. Turns out having Chinese military equipment produced in factories that won their contracts solely due to government corruption then used an apathetic slave labor force working 12 hour days doesn't produce the highly quality of items. Who would have guessed right?  China is so hyper competitive it's created a culture of "get what I can for me at all times and screw everyone else" so that even when it comes to defense related items the defense contractors in China are cutting every corner to maximize their profits or just straight up embezzle. If China starts anything in Taiwan we're going to find out real fast that Chinese military equipment is pure junk. These are people who care so little for one another that they build elementary schools that collapse and kill their neighbors kids, and adulterate baby formula with melamine. They are fucked. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-2DtL-WjkcI always knew china had major issues just from stories 2 of my Cousins told from working in china for their different companies. Both were in completely different areas and had the same type of stories. Then I found ADVriders channel and holy shit that really reinforced my opinion. Both of the companies my Cousins worked for have moved production back to the good ol USA. It took a few years but they were done in 2015/2016. The final straw was having to purchase American made steel, shipping it to china and then being able to make their products. Chinese steel wasn't even close to good enough... |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:21:05 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: By what mechanism is this enforced? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By outofbattery: We are not allowed to have armed aircraft,the US and Germany decided that would be too provocative towards Russia. It is also why we have only weak short range air defense;we have zero means to intercept Russian missiles ourselves. By what mechanism is this enforced? NATO membership and the BAP mission. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:22:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Seems like if the Russians and Ukraine can agree on a cease-fire, that would be an opportune time for that sort of thing to occur. The potato-in-thief's handlers aren't smart enough to engage with the parties involved to work that kind of arrangement. The only reason russia agrees to a cease fire is for tactical reasons in war, and they will break it when breaking it is useful. |
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