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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:19:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail:  I bought my first one, a Colt SP-1 in 1978, I have my late brother in laws SP-1 with a 1973 SN# |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:19:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brok3n: Seems like the first missile missed? Either way big bada boom at the end! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brok3n: Originally Posted By outofbattery: TOS-1 is disabled by a Jav,second hit goes boom.
Seems like the first missile missed? Either way big bada boom at the end! No. It hit the front of the tank chassis (t72 chassis) and not the missiles. Second hit the missiles. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:19:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi:
I get it. They're going to catch a ton of shit for voting no, but I get it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Originally Posted By Shenanigunz: Glenn Grothman Thomas Massie Matt Gaetz Lauren Boebert Andy Biggs Marjorie Taylor Greene Chip Roy Dan Bishop
I get it. They're going to catch a ton of shit for voting no, but I get it. Shhhhhh.....dont stop them, its fun to watch |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:20:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi:
I get it. They're going to catch a ton of shit for voting no, but I get it. Sounds like congressional approval to do what has been done via EO for years. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:20:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:20:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi:
I get it. They're going to catch a ton of shit for voting no, but I get it. Like evil Trump supporters? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:21:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pivoproseem: As much I I want to see the Russian Army ground to a pulp, I think there needs a "golden bridge" for a Russian exit to Ukraine, before Putin gets too desperate and does something so stupid that we have to kick their teeth in and stomp them in such a way as to make WWIII a bit too much of likely result. Yep. We don't want him in the position that he has to win no matter what it takes. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:21:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:22:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: No, that was a wire guided munition, like an AT-5 spandrel (Konkurs) The jerky movement is it adjusting. as the gunner is supposed to be tracking the target. It looks like at 10 seconds it clipped the wire on a bush or something and went crazy (straight up, then down. It was a near miss.) You could see someone unassed the second track and the second round was a hit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Originally Posted By outofbattery: TOS-1 is disabled by a Jav,second hit goes boom.
No, that was a wire guided munition, like an AT-5 spandrel (Konkurs) The jerky movement is it adjusting. as the gunner is supposed to be tracking the target. It looks like at 10 seconds it clipped the wire on a bush or something and went crazy (straight up, then down. It was a near miss.) You could see someone unassed the second track and the second round was a hit. You’ve never seen a top attack mode before? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:22:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: The no votes: Boebert Massie Gaetz Biggs Greene Bishop Roy Grothman They claim by Massie and Biggs is that the Bill had a hidden clause that could allow the President to revoke anyone's rights, maybe for being an abortion supporter. I think that's not all what's possible, The text of the bill is very clear, and its part of legislation that deals specifically with foreign world leaders who are being sanctioned, not random foreigners. These foreigners in fact appear to have more rights in some cases than US Citizens. [tweet]https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1504562598615863303/photo/1[/tweet] I am against giving the President to much power as it is, Presidents should have to come before congress, but that ship has sailed years ago. This is an odd no vote, and combined with the continued dragging of heals on Russia matter concerning with the mid-terms coming up. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:22:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: odiedodi]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: Sounds like congressional approval to do what has been done via EO for years. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:22:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: Russia isn’t gaining ground. It just isn’t. Their top forces are completely decimated. Ukraine has never been more dug in and Russia’s economy is going to zero. I don’t know if id bet on Russia to conventionally win this outright. It might come down to whether or not they can surround and cut off Kyiv. Al the maps I've seen in this entire thread and I read every page, shows where they are on roads and glosses over the simple fact that having a Kubelwagon, two MBTs and a half dozen platoons of infantry on a road doesn't mean you actually control that territory 87 miles all around. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:22:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brok3n: Seems like the first missile missed? Either way big bada boom at the end! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brok3n: Originally Posted By outofbattery: TOS-1 is disabled by a Jav,second hit goes boom.
Seems like the first missile missed? Either way big bada boom at the end! Looked more like TOW missiles than Jav. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:22:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi:
I get it. They're going to catch a ton of shit for voting no, but I get it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Originally Posted By Shenanigunz: Glenn Grothman Thomas Massie Matt Gaetz Lauren Boebert Andy Biggs Marjorie Taylor Greene Chip Roy Dan Bishop
I get it. They're going to catch a ton of shit for voting no, but I get it. There it is. Exactly what I figured. I would have voted no too. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:22:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi:
You have to pass the bill to see what is in the bill. I get it. They're going to catch a ton of shit for voting no, but I get it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Originally Posted By Shenanigunz: Glenn Grothman Thomas Massie Matt Gaetz Lauren Boebert Andy Biggs Marjorie Taylor Greene Chip Roy Dan Bishop
You have to pass the bill to see what is in the bill. I get it. They're going to catch a ton of shit for voting no, but I get it. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:22:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: TOS-1 is disabled by a Jav,second hit goes boom.
Holy chit, Big bada boom |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:22:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SilverBearX]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: Glenn Grothman Thomas Massie Matt Gaetz Lauren Boebert Andy Biggs Marjorie Taylor Greene Chip Roy Dan Bishop Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic: Originally Posted By bikedamon:
Who were the 8 idiots? Glenn Grothman Thomas Massie Matt Gaetz Lauren Boebert Andy Biggs Marjorie Taylor Greene Chip Roy Dan Bishop Putin is attacking Ukraine! Lets all give up some Liberty! It is not like we did not know this is one of the objectives Democrats have been aiming for for two decades. Amazing that after the last two years of Covid BS, that many are still so easily fooled. It is fine to sanction Putin, hell as far as I am concerned, stick a missile up his ass, but this legislation appears to be...problematic. With your track record, I am not surprised that you defend it. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:22:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnny_Utah_88: Somebody's full of s***, I don't think ARs were available to the public until 89 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnny_Utah_88: Originally Posted By CurseOfKatyn: Originally Posted By ottodog8: I bought my first AR-15 in 1972, a couple of years before I was issued one. You? Knock off the bullshit or step out of the thread. Your choice. 1964 
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:23:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SkiShooter: Here’s the Putinbot list, Eight Republicans voted against the bill: Representatives Glenn Grothman of Wisconsin; Thomas Massie of Kentucky; Matt Gaetz of Florida; Lauren Boebert of Colorado; Andy Biggs of Arizona; Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia; Chip Roy of Texas; Dan Bishop of North Carolina. What reasons did they give? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:23:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverBearX: Putin is attacking Ukraine! Lets all give up some Liberty! It is not like we did not know this is one of the objectives Democrats have been aiming for for two decades. Amazing that after the last two years of Covid BS, that many are still so easily fooled. It is fine to sanction Putin, hell as far as I am concerned, stick a missile up his ass, but this legislation appears to be...problematic. What liberty are US citizens giving up? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:24:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GlockZen: They claim by Massie and Biggs is that the Bill had a hidden clause that could allow the President to revoke anyone's rights, maybe for being an abortion supporter. I think that's not all what's possible, The text of the bill is very clear, and its part of legislation that deals specifically with foreign world leaders who are being sanctioned, not random foreigners. These foreigners in fact appear to have more rights in some cases than US Citizens. [tweet]https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1504562598615863303/photo/1[/tweet] I am against giving the President to much power as it is, Presidents should have to come before congress, but that ship has sailed years ago. This is an odd no vote, and combined with the continued dragging of heals on Russia matter concerning with the mid-terms coming up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GlockZen: Originally Posted By outofbattery: The no votes: Boebert Massie Gaetz Biggs Greene Bishop Roy Grothman They claim by Massie and Biggs is that the Bill had a hidden clause that could allow the President to revoke anyone's rights, maybe for being an abortion supporter. I think that's not all what's possible, The text of the bill is very clear, and its part of legislation that deals specifically with foreign world leaders who are being sanctioned, not random foreigners. These foreigners in fact appear to have more rights in some cases than US Citizens. [tweet]https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1504562598615863303/photo/1[/tweet] I am against giving the President to much power as it is, Presidents should have to come before congress, but that ship has sailed years ago. This is an odd no vote, and combined with the continued dragging of heals on Russia matter concerning with the mid-terms coming up. Shhh…don’t tell the GDers who k ow they are playing 7D chess. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:24:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: TOS-1 is disabled by a Jav,second hit goes boom.
Big boom 💥 |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:24:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: You’ve never seen a top attack mode before? Yes, in Afghanistan, and I was a TOW antitank platoon leader also a loong time ago,. Watch this snackbar video, starting at eight second. It is a TOW missile. It is SACLOS (Semi automatic command line of sight). It is NOT fire and forget. You keep the sight on the target and the sensor sees where the missile is in relation to the crosshairs, and makes small corrections. https://funker530.com/video/tow-missile-cuts-car-in-half-nsfw/ SACLOS, wire guided missile tracks are parallel to the ground, slow, and jerky. But clip the wire and they go crazy. Jerk the sight to hard and the wire can snap. Its very thin. This was some sort of Russian wire guided SACLOS antitank missile. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:25:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ServusVeritatis]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverBearX: Putin is attacking Ukraine! Lets all give up some Liberty! It is not like we did not know this is one of the objectives Democrats have been aiming for for two decades. Amazing that after the last two years of Covid BS, that many are still so easily fooled. It is fine to sanction Putin, hell as far as I am concerned, stick a missile up his ass, but this legislation appears to be...problematic. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverBearX: Originally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic: Originally Posted By bikedamon:
Who were the 8 idiots? Glenn Grothman Thomas Massie Matt Gaetz Lauren Boebert Andy Biggs Marjorie Taylor Greene Chip Roy Dan Bishop Putin is attacking Ukraine! Lets all give up some Liberty! It is not like we did not know this is one of the objectives Democrats have been aiming for for two decades. Amazing that after the last two years of Covid BS, that many are still so easily fooled. It is fine to sanction Putin, hell as far as I am concerned, stick a missile up his ass, but this legislation appears to be...problematic. It’s for foreign citizens. Please tell me you actually read the bill and aren’t just trusting tweets? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:25:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: I disagree with their vote, but I don't think it is fair to call them putinbots. I don't know exactly what their motivation was but legislation is often filled with clauses, or stuff that doesn't have anything to do with the point of the bill, and disingenuous crap. I'd like to know their motivation as to why they voted against it before they are burned too hard. Some of those are pretty solid conservatives, no one gets it right 100% of the time. Like most my initial thought is definitely disappointment, but they deserve to have the chance to explain why. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By SkiShooter: Originally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic: Originally Posted By bikedamon:
Who were the 8 idiots? GD heroes Boebert and MTG were 2. Here’s the Putinbot list, Eight Republicans voted against the bill: Representatives Glenn Grothman of Wisconsin; Thomas Massie of Kentucky; Matt Gaetz of Florida; Lauren Boebert of Colorado; Andy Biggs of Arizona; Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia; Chip Roy of Texas; Dan Bishop of North Carolina. I disagree with their vote, but I don't think it is fair to call them putinbots. I don't know exactly what their motivation was but legislation is often filled with clauses, or stuff that doesn't have anything to do with the point of the bill, and disingenuous crap. I'd like to know their motivation as to why they voted against it before they are burned too hard. Some of those are pretty solid conservatives, no one gets it right 100% of the time. Like most my initial thought is definitely disappointment, but they deserve to have the chance to explain why. I sorta like Chip Roy. I'm not sure what drove the vote but the man is anything but a Putin puffer. He utterly despises backroom money laundering and maybe there was something I don't see. Fart in a windstorm though. Maybe he'll say why. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:25:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:25:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PAspeedmaster: Biden to press Xi to get in line over condemnation of Russia https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220317-biden-to-press-xi-to-get-in-line-over-condemnation-of-russia Ok, cool. "US President Joe Biden will warn his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping on Friday that he will face "costs" if Beijing rescues fellow authoritarian ally Russia from intense Western sanctions aimed at punishing Moscow's invasion of Ukraine." |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:26:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Yes, and I was a TOW antitank platoon leader. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Originally Posted By kncook: You’ve never seen a top attack mode before? Yes, and I was a TOW antitank platoon leader. So you’re telling me it went straight up as a malfunction but managed to come down and hit the tos? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:26:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: I like him, but I wonder what max headroom's mindset is here.
Its a poorly written bill... |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:27:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnny_Utah_88: I just realized I was wrong, I actually got my first one in about 83  1964 or 65 |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:28:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: So you're telling me it went straight up as a malfunction but managed to come down and hit the tos? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By CharlieR: Originally Posted By kncook: You've never seen a top attack mode before? Yes, and I was a TOW antitank platoon leader. So you're telling me it went straight up as a malfunction but managed to come down and hit the tos? Javelins don't fly level then up and over. They go up, then straight, then down. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:28:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: It’s for foreign citizens. lol. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:29:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:29:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: I sorta like Chip Roy. I'm not sure what drove the vote but the man is anything but a Putin puffer. He utterly despises backroom money laundering and maybe there was something I don't see. Fart in a windstorm though. Maybe he'll say why. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By SkiShooter: Originally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic: Originally Posted By bikedamon:
Who were the 8 idiots? GD heroes Boebert and MTG were 2. Here’s the Putinbot list, Eight Republicans voted against the bill: Representatives Glenn Grothman of Wisconsin; Thomas Massie of Kentucky; Matt Gaetz of Florida; Lauren Boebert of Colorado; Andy Biggs of Arizona; Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia; Chip Roy of Texas; Dan Bishop of North Carolina. I disagree with their vote, but I don't think it is fair to call them putinbots. I don't know exactly what their motivation was but legislation is often filled with clauses, or stuff that doesn't have anything to do with the point of the bill, and disingenuous crap. I'd like to know their motivation as to why they voted against it before they are burned too hard. Some of those are pretty solid conservatives, no one gets it right 100% of the time. Like most my initial thought is definitely disappointment, but they deserve to have the chance to explain why. I sorta like Chip Roy. I'm not sure what drove the vote but the man is anything but a Putin puffer. He utterly despises backroom money laundering and maybe there was something I don't see. Fart in a windstorm though. Maybe he'll say why. I edited my post because it was explained from some why they voted no, sounds like the right vote honestly there should have been more against it. Sadly the media and democrats will portray things different and they'll try to have the narrative its about Russia rather then the BS in the bill. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:29:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnny_Utah_88: Somebody's full of s***, I don't think ARs were available to the public until 89 Thats it, this thread is absolutely fucked. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:31:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:32:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi:
I get it. They're going to catch a ton of shit for voting no, but I get it. In this world and this country it seems like we no longer have good options. We have options that are not as bad as other options. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:32:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:33:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: They are using "Hind" on their patches? Wow.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By elcope:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOE1p1pXsAorlzM?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOE1qMJXwAcdhei?format=jpg&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOE1qVcXIAYkADu?format=jpg&name=medium They are using "Hind" on their patches? Wow. Not sure, but the wreckage is a Hip, not a Hind |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:34:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: So you’re telling me it went straight up as a malfunction but managed to come down and hit the tos? No, it went straight up as a malfunction, hit in front of the target, and missed. Then they both stopped, the guys in the track on the right dismounted and ran like hell. I assume the other crew did also. What makes you think the first shot was a hit? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:34:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: LOL Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By Johnny_Utah_88: Somebody's full of s***, I don't think ARs were available to the public until 89 LOL The first AR ad, which you could order it by mail to your doorstep direct, from 1960: https://soldiersystems.net/2016/06/21/a-1963-colt-ar-15-advertisment/ |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:34:26 PM EDT
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 Emergency workers rescue cat stuck beneath rubble amid Russian strikes in Kharkiv, Ukraine |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:34:39 PM EDT
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A group of European politicians addressed the Nobel Committee with a corresponding open letter. They asked the Nobel Committee to extend the nomination procedure for the Nobel Peace Prize until March 31, 2022, to allow for a Nobel Peace Prize nomination for President Zelensky and the people of Ukraine. Officially, the deadline for nomination for the award expired on January 31. "We are witness to the courage of the people of Ukraine withstanding this war waged upon them by the Russian Federation. Brave Ukrainian men and women are fighting to preserve democracy and self-government. From the defiance democratically elected Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to the man with tears in his eyes saying goodbye to his family to fight for his country, people all over Ukraine are rising up to resist the forces of authoritarianism. We believe that now is the time to show the people of Ukraine that the world is on their side," reads the letter. The letter to the Nobel Committee was signed by 36 European politicians from the Netherlands, Great Britain, Germany, Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, Romania and Slovakia. The letter is open to co-sign by political leaders across the world until March 30th. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:35:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
They’ve saber rattling since this conflict started. What else is new. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:35:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: lol. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: Originally Posted By kncook: It’s for foreign citizens. lol. They said that 20 years ago too |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:35:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: And now comes a few pages of when the AR was first available for civilian purchase. heh |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:36:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: No, it went straight up as a malfunction, hit in front of the target, and missed.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:36:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: A group of European politicians addressed the Nobel Committee with a corresponding open letter. They asked the Nobel Committee to extend the nomination procedure for the Nobel Peace Prize until March 31, 2022, to allow for a Nobel Peace Prize nomination for President Zelensky and the people of Ukraine. Officially, the deadline for nomination for the award expired on January 31. "We are witness to the courage of the people of Ukraine withstanding this war waged upon them by the Russian Federation. Brave Ukrainian men and women are fighting to preserve democracy and self-government. From the defiance democratically elected Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to the man with tears in his eyes saying goodbye to his family to fight for his country, people all over Ukraine are rising up to resist the forces of authoritarianism. We believe that now is the time to show the people of Ukraine that the world is on their side," reads the letter. The letter to the Nobel Committee was signed by 36 European politicians from the Netherlands, Great Britain, Germany, Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, Romania and Slovakia. The letter is open to co-sign by political leaders across the world until March 30th. Technically, he's waging war. ITts not a war of his choice on instigation, but still... I figured they'd give Fauci one, just because. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:37:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
So basically we don’t know if they are or not lol. Got it. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:37:46 PM EDT
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