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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:20:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Obo2: smacking a bunch of russian locomotives would go a long way to fucking up their logistics Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Obo2: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
The trucks and trains must die. And any C2. smacking a bunch of russian locomotives would go a long way to fucking up their logistics I wonder if locomotives have transponders? |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:24:00 PM EST
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Mariupol Street fighting still rages
 Ukraine war : Mariupol Street fighting still rages |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:24:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: Sooners Beanie? American? US, UK, and EU SF vets |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:25:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: Much of the American Right has been opposed to nationalism for a very long time, myself included, as well as being in opposition to other ideas originating in the French Revolution (such as socialism). I don't consider it a good ideological trait at all and it tends to lead to bad things, whether intended or not. Also, some of what Orban has been doing is dangerous and can easily lead to outright tyranny, which is why most of the Right has opposed moves in that direction in this country, as tempting as it can be, especially given how much a threat the Left has become (I can definitely sympathize with Orban on that note). American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:25:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: Dammit 
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN1AGynXMAQYW4T?format=jpg&name=small https://t.me/ukrainenowenglish/4230 "A six-year-old boy, Sasha, who the whole of Ukraine was looking for, had been shot dead by the occupiers The parents have been looking for the little boy since March 10. It was then that the child and his grandmother on a boat tried to evacuate from the village of Sukholuchcha in the Kyiv region to the opposite bank of the Kyiv reservoir. The attempt was unsuccessful. And the parents believed that their child was still alive. Only weeks later, the boy's body was found, he had died of a gunshot wound." RIP poor child. May those bastard rot in hell. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:26:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: If you get an answer from him perhaps maybe he can also explain why he is dishonest about it being illegal to speak Hungarian in Ukraine 🤷🏼♂️ It is nonsense that other nations won’t sell Hungarian products in supermarkets,it is just a matter of demand. I buy Spanish produce because they have a nice growing climate. I do not buy Spanish soft drinks or snacks for the same reason Spanish shops don’t carry things like Kelluke or Tere kohukesed. It’s not discrimination,it’s the very economics of supply and demand. I didn’t know I was supposed to feel oppressed that Coca Cola and Lays sells more potato chips and soft drinks here than any Estonian company. Good God…with this ability to reason no wonder they voted for Orban🤦🏼♂️ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By Miracle_Pants: If the EU and NATO are untrustworthy and such a problem to be part of then why does Hungary stay? Neither organizations are suicide pacts, it is possible for nations to freely leave them at any time. If you get an answer from him perhaps maybe he can also explain why he is dishonest about it being illegal to speak Hungarian in Ukraine 🤷🏼♂️ It is nonsense that other nations won’t sell Hungarian products in supermarkets,it is just a matter of demand. I buy Spanish produce because they have a nice growing climate. I do not buy Spanish soft drinks or snacks for the same reason Spanish shops don’t carry things like Kelluke or Tere kohukesed. It’s not discrimination,it’s the very economics of supply and demand. I didn’t know I was supposed to feel oppressed that Coca Cola and Lays sells more potato chips and soft drinks here than any Estonian company. Good God…with this ability to reason no wonder they voted for Orban🤦🏼♂️ NATO and the EU is what was offered and we accepted like everyone else. I have been to the very same Lidl and Aldis in Germany and also Austria and France and I don't see ANY Hungarian made or eastern made products. Good heavens does everyone think that the best cheese comes from the Netherlands or does anyone do cheddar better than Wisconsin or Oregon or the UK? In the end, the EU is filled with hypocrisy in regards to products and no one is stupid to think they are doing it to protect their own agricultural and their own economy. Don't get me wrong...I love the German, French and Italian stuff in Hungary..but why can't Hungarian or Polish made wine or sausages offered in western Europe? I saw Hungarian style kolbasz and salamis in Vienna made in Austria and Germany..when I know for a fact that there is a Hungarian product made much better and cheaper. And please go back to what I said..I never said it was illegal to speak Hungarian in those areas of Ukraine.I said the laws made it illegal to TEACH it or use it for everyday purposes. Isn't that closer to it being illegal to speak it if you can't learn to use it or study it? 🙄 |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:28:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: Sooners Beanie? American? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPnDnU3WUAwAQei?format=jpg&name=large Sooners Beanie? American? OU yes. Great eye |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:32:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miracle_Pants:
If the EU and NATO are untrustworthy and such a problem to be part of then why does Hungary stay? Neither organizations are suicide pacts, it is possible for nations to freely leave them at any time. But the Warsaw Pact should totally get back together - without Russia. Let Eastern Europe form its own free trade zone and mutual defense pact without the Brussels BS. Baltics, Poland, Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia, Romania, Ukraine, Belorussia (if they can sort out their puppet status and get clear of Moscow). They're the ones most affected by Russia, and for all the posing Russia couldn't beat them all. Let them form a trade agreement with western Europe limited to trade matters, not social policy as the EU wants to be a United States of Europe with an un-elected and unaccountable government in Brussels. Back to Ukraine conflict! |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:33:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr: The striped Tshirt could go either way. The pouches could have been checked so that bs. The camera claim is straight up conspiracy shit. Clean cut and clean uniforms is evidence. City defenders after weeks are going to be a bit disheveled. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr: The striped Tshirt could go either way. The pouches could have been checked so that bs. The camera claim is straight up conspiracy shit. Clean cut and clean uniforms is evidence. City defenders after weeks are going to be a bit disheveled. Agreed, Russian troops have been colossal fuck ups this entire war and now all of a sudden we think they’re going to do a superb job of searching and moving POWs? Also, if you’re in combat wouldnt you be wearing a helmet and not a beret? The helmet is probably next to their rifles in a stack. Personally if I were a POW on camera I wouldn’t be trying to show I was a Marine by waving my EGA and such, I’d be damn ashamed even if I didn’t have any real options. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:33:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/hellyeah-175.jpg Don't ignore your Laser warnings kids Notice the kept the marker off the target until the last second? No warning if its not being painted 
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:35:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Ukrainian army inspect weapons 'left by Russian army' in Bucha  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFIMHWLyqhQThe UXO and mine clearing guys are freaking incredible to me. Heroes. No weapons, just repeatedly picking up and moving around with munitions that may or may not blow up in their faces at any second. I would rather take my chances with any of the other 10,000 ways to die in a war zone, than voluntarily clearing UXO. Holy fuck.  |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:35:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Mariupol Street fighting still rages https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF6Df2segZUNeed more dead invading orcs. Child-raping pieces of shit.  FIGHT, Ukraine! 
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:35:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: Don't get me wrong...I love the German, French and Italian stuff in Hungary..but why can't Hungarian or Polish made wine or sausages offered in western Europe? I saw Hungarian style kolbasz and salamis in Vienna made in Austria and Germany..when I know for a fact that there is a Hungarian product made much better and cheaper. You can buy original Hungarian products in Aldi and Lidl and every "Supermarkt". Original made in Hungary. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:35:58 PM EST
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Lots of swag on ebay..
 
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:38:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. I won't tell you what it means to be Estonian and you won't tell me what it means to be American, deal? 
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:39:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: Sooners Beanie? American? BOOMER!!! |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:39:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Looking close at their facial features, it looks like a pair of women. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Originally Posted By Chokey: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By Dracster: This has to be a mistranslation "T-80BV tanks of the Russian Armed Forces given to the fighters of the People's Militia of the People's Republic of China in the battles near Severodonetsk." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-05_12-32-46_jpg-2338806.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-05_12-32-47_jpg-2338807.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-05_12-32-48_jpg-2338808.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-05_12-32-48__2__jpg-2338809.JPG Source? Tanks T-80BV of the RF Armed Forces given to the soldiers of the People's Militia of the LPR in the battles near Severodonetsk. Photo: Alexey Maishev. ... or Democrats.  |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:42:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. Then its regionalist or localist...and conservative doesnt mean the same thing across the country...thats why you dont understand americans Seen plenty of...conservatives...from the north east whos beliefs are democratic in my area...so yes i have condemnation for them Im proud of what this country was founded as...but because of several factors it has been warped |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:45:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crash_Test_Dhimmi: I wonder if locomotives have transponders? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crash_Test_Dhimmi: Originally Posted By Obo2: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
The trucks and trains must die. And any C2. smacking a bunch of russian locomotives would go a long way to fucking up their logistics I wonder if locomotives have transponders? Their TE10 series have an equivalent to Locotrol and the lead/slave engines communicate via RF. Look at pics online. There are discone antennas atop each. If they're running in multiple unit configuration they'll be squawking quite often. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:46:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Ironically, it would be straight from Russia's playbook. There's obviously a bunch of ethnic Poles in that region that need protecting. *wink* *nod* Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By GreenMushroom: Originally Posted By m35ben: Polish peacekeeping forces on the northern border can help with this. I've generally been against outside involvement but it's an interesting idea. The Russians have had their shit pushed in hard but show no signs of giving up. While I'm sure the Poles would jump at the chance they might not be the best choice  Would be interesting to see if the northern front could effectively be sealed off by some sort of peace keeping action. Backroom deal for Chinese peacekeepers? Vlad wouldn't know whether to shit or go blind  Ironically, it would be straight from Russia's playbook. There's obviously a bunch of ethnic Poles in that region that need protecting. *wink* *nod* Poland could “invade” and “annex” that part of Ukraine. There is no rule book that says the Poles have to try to impose thier will on the Ukrainians or that the Ukrainians have to resist. It sounds ridiculous, but what could Manlet and Lapdog say? |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:46:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. Just stop there. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:46:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: RIP poor child. May those bastard rot in hell. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By M-1975: Dammit
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN1AGynXMAQYW4T?format=jpg&name=small https://t.me/ukrainenowenglish/4230 "A six-year-old boy, Sasha, who the whole of Ukraine was looking for, had been shot dead by the occupiers The parents have been looking for the little boy since March 10. It was then that the child and his grandmother on a boat tried to evacuate from the village of Sukholuchcha in the Kyiv region to the opposite bank of the Kyiv reservoir. The attempt was unsuccessful. And the parents believed that their child was still alive. Only weeks later, the boy's body was found, he had died of a gunshot wound." RIP poor child. May those bastard rot in hell. They have to be sent there first. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:47:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scooter1942: BOOMER!!! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scooter1942: Originally Posted By cryo_tech: Sooners Beanie? American? BOOMER!!! SOONER!!! |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:51:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mokerr: I won't tell you what it means to be Estonian and you won't tell me what it means to be American, deal? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mokerr: Originally Posted By outofbattery: American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of "being an American means I believe in freedom" but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn't matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee's tomorrow that it's impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. I won't tell you what it means to be Estonian and you won't tell me what it means to be American, deal? He is not entirely wrong. The term nation outside the US often also carries a racial implication. We simply do not have this here as we are a nation of many races. I would argue that political affiliation is far more important than race or any other consideration here in terms of group identity. This racial meaning to nation is why Russia uses the excuse of ethnic Russia in other countries in order to invade or why our Hungarian member here is so concerned for ethnic Hungarians who are Ukrainian citizens. I think this is important to understand why European behavior often seems bizarre to us. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:51:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Burning Russian tank running through neighborhood. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/tx5ge2/burning_russian_tank_running_away_from_shots_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb This is fine meme.
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:51:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: It is an entirely predictable outcome, as Zeihan established. It's also subject to plausible denial. Russia can't be proven to be deliberately causing famine. Can the West foresee the effects well enough to get ahead of issues like mass migration? I doubt it. Western leadership is mostly very transactional and un-strategic, in my opinion. When your national leadership can't see beyond the next election cycle and is always posturing against the other domestic political parties, the strategic advantage goes to the authoritarian dictatorship (which also comes with a whole lot of disadvantages as Russia is proving). I think if Western leadership had any kind of vision, they'd be trying to pacify the Black Sea to get cargo moving. If Putin refused efforts to allow commercial cargo movement, then it becomes clear that the food crisis is an intended effect, for whatever you can wring out of that. Maybe then it would prod the Western leaders to push more against Moscow. People like Macron, Scholz, Johnson, and Biden are incredibly feckless IMO, and shallow thinkers when it comes to moral and international matters. They may be shrewd domestic politicians (obviously not Biden), but their total intellectual capital doesn't impress me much. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Cypher15: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: This is intentional, and part of the larger strategic campaign against the West. Second order effects from the conflict in Ukraine will lead to major food disruptions. We've already heard Zeihan and others talk about the major disruption in fertilizer markets, which will drive down grain yields, which will drive up hunger, leading to another massive refugee crisis. Zeihan said famine could cause a population loss of two billion, which would be literally Biblical: Zeihan may be overstating things, but the disruptive effects of blocking trade in grain is real and genuine. Places like Turkey and Egypt get a lot of grain from Ukraine. Russia means to destroy Ukraine, and destroying their markets is one of the tools. By destroying markets for Ukrainian grain, the food crisis will drive millions to flee countries with food crises, seeking access to Europe and America that have better agricultural bases able to withstand the short-term grain shock. The migration crisis will destabilize Western nations (you can't say no to starving people!), and take their attention from Russian aggression against their neighbors. That gives cover for the Ukrainian genocide they've already planned and announced. Then the question becomes: Is the man made famine threat enough to get the West much more involved? It is an entirely predictable outcome, as Zeihan established. It's also subject to plausible denial. Russia can't be proven to be deliberately causing famine. Can the West foresee the effects well enough to get ahead of issues like mass migration? I doubt it. Western leadership is mostly very transactional and un-strategic, in my opinion. When your national leadership can't see beyond the next election cycle and is always posturing against the other domestic political parties, the strategic advantage goes to the authoritarian dictatorship (which also comes with a whole lot of disadvantages as Russia is proving). I think if Western leadership had any kind of vision, they'd be trying to pacify the Black Sea to get cargo moving. If Putin refused efforts to allow commercial cargo movement, then it becomes clear that the food crisis is an intended effect, for whatever you can wring out of that. Maybe then it would prod the Western leaders to push more against Moscow. People like Macron, Scholz, Johnson, and Biden are incredibly feckless IMO, and shallow thinkers when it comes to moral and international matters. They may be shrewd domestic politicians (obviously not Biden), but their total intellectual capital doesn't impress me much. It will be interesting to see how those western leaders react to the media latching on to stories of famine when it comes. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:52:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Just stop there. No actually, he should keep going. I like these dissections of American Nationalism viz Euro Nationalism. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:52:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Much of the American Right has been opposed to nationalism for a very long time, myself included, as well as being in opposition to other ideas originating in the French Revolution (such as socialism). I don't consider it a good ideological trait at all and it tends to lead to bad things, whether intended or not. Also, some of what Orban has been doing is dangerous and can easily lead to outright tyranny, which is why most of the Right has opposed moves in that direction in this country, as tempting as it can be, especially given how much a threat the Left has become (I can definitely sympathize with Orban on that note). American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. I'm fairly sure we are a nation. I guess you'll never get it though. Try the decaf. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:53:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. While I'm sure he doesn't need it but coming to @outabattery defense, he is correct... from an "old world" perspective. Having lived throughout the world, the United States is an enigma. From human history and everyone else's perspective, we should exist, yet we do. We exist because of an idea which is completely foreign to all of human history. It's an idea born in the taverns and farm fields and grown in the fields with the blood of our past and present. It's an idea whereby "I" am the most important thing and together, the "I's" become a nation. This is also why we see such a fracturing of the United States today. This nation, who's basis is built on the "I", has balkanized to the point where we cannot even agree on what the concept of our nation is. That being said and as other's have mentioned many times before, I'd like to stay on topic and not weed through multiple pages of pearl clutching, purse swinging. Back to lurking... |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:54:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miracle_Pants: He is not entirely wrong. The term nation outside the US often also carries a racial implication. We simply do not have this here as we are a nation of many races. I would argue that political affiliation is far more important than race or any other consideration here in terms of group identity. This racial meaning to nation is why Russia uses the excuse of ethnic Russia in other countries in order to invade or why our Hungarian member here is so concerned for ethnic Hungarians who are Ukrainian citizens. I think this is important to understand why European behavior often seems bizarre to us. Ethnic nationalism is one specific type of nationalism. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:54:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: No actually, he should keep going. I like these dissections of American Nationalism viz Euro Nationalism. It doesn't even make sense though. *mainly the hating each other bit |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:55:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Ukrainian government allows even street signs to be in Hungarian: https://media2.malaymail.com/uploads/articles/2022/2022-03/ukraine-hungary-border-AFP.jpg And Orbon pumps money into elections to get Hungarians elected over Ukrainians in this border area. I stated back around page 20 that Orbon may have gotten a guarantee from Putin that Hungary will get SW Ukraine when Russia takes over if he stays "neutral". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By HIPPO: From one (former) Oregonian to another, thank you for sharing insights and perspective here. I, and others, sincerely appreciate your contributions. What would it take for Hungary to take a more overt role in confronting Russian aggression in Ukraine? What is preventing Orban from aligning more with the rest of the EU against Russia? We hear a lot about how Germany and Hungary are the big hold-outs in that bloc. Genuinely trying to understand more about this part of the conflict. Thanks! You need to understand that he is either misinformed or is a liar. He has told people that Ukraine has outlawed speaking of Hungarian and the teaching of it in school and this is absolutely untrue. Do you think that schools in the dark red parts of Texas would be best served to only teach in Spanish or do you think they would be best served to allow students to speak Spanish at home and be taught in English at school? This is exactly the “discrimination” he is not exactly being truthful about. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/3B87E364-14F7-4C06-AD85-ED8B44429A7C_jpe-2338867.JPG All Hungarians want is to suck off the EU teat and Putin’s dick at the same time. Ukrainian government allows even street signs to be in Hungarian: https://media2.malaymail.com/uploads/articles/2022/2022-03/ukraine-hungary-border-AFP.jpg And Orbon pumps money into elections to get Hungarians elected over Ukrainians in this border area. I stated back around page 20 that Orbon may have gotten a guarantee from Putin that Hungary will get SW Ukraine when Russia takes over if he stays "neutral". Where are the street signs in Hungarian? If you think those in the picture you posted are in Hungarian you are mistaken. They are not. "may have" is how bullshit propaganda is spread in the press. Trump "may have" colluded with Russia... oops he never did. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:57:53 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Single Ukrainian tank takes on entire Russian column https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsKYg7vbA-EIs that molotovs being thrown out of the house? |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:58:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Much of the American Right has been opposed to nationalism for a very long time, myself included, as well as being in opposition to other ideas originating in the French Revolution (such as socialism). I don't consider it a good ideological trait at all and it tends to lead to bad things, whether intended or not. Also, some of what Orban has been doing is dangerous and can easily lead to outright tyranny, which is why most of the Right has opposed moves in that direction in this country, as tempting as it can be, especially given how much a threat the Left has become (I can definitely sympathize with Orban on that note). American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. Wow you're really going down the deep end with that one. I suggest reconsidering this tact before you piss off everyone on this site. There is absolutely such a thing as "American Nation" and to think otherwise is woefully ignorant. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 5:58:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: CenterMass762]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: No actually, he should keep going. I like these dissections of American Nationalism viz Euro Nationalism. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Just stop there. No actually, he should keep going. I like these dissections of American Nationalism viz Euro Nationalism. He can talk about it all he wants but as soon as he says Americans have no common heritage or history, I know his knowledge of American nationalism is laughable. We're a young nation, that doesn't mean we're a not a nation. ETA- this is the wrong thread for this discussion and I don't want to steer it away from the war so I'll leave it alone. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:00:33 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By solid: I'm fairly sure we are a nation. I guess you'll never get it though. Try the decaf. We are not a nation. We haven't ever been a nation. There was some illusion of nationhood that existed from 1941-1980/90ish. There has always been sectionalist conflict and now its urban/rural plus the massive numbers of new and 1/2nd generation immigrants. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:04:41 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vampgrrl: We are not a nation. We haven't ever been a nation. There was some illusion of nationhood that existed from 1941-1980/90ish. There has always been sectionalist conflict and now its urban/rural plus the massive numbers of new and 1/2nd generation immigrants. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vampgrrl: Originally Posted By solid: I'm fairly sure we are a nation. I guess you'll never get it though. Try the decaf. We are not a nation. We haven't ever been a nation. There was some illusion of nationhood that existed from 1941-1980/90ish. There has always been sectionalist conflict and now its urban/rural plus the massive numbers of new and 1/2nd generation immigrants. I was not talking to you at all. Merely stating fact without derailing from our ( yes our goal) goal to keep info flowing. Thank you |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:08:21 PM EST
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:08:35 PM EST
[#40]
The only reason the Donbass situation with the DNR/LPR has festered for so long was the now-defunct Minsk Agreement:
Withdrawal of all heavy weapons by both sides by equal distances in order to create a security zone of at least 50km wide from each other for the artillery systems of caliber of 100 and more, a security zone of 70km wide for MLRS and 140km wide for MLRS Tornado-S, Uragan, Smerch and Tactical Missile Systems (Tochka, Tochka U) You can't make an advance against WWI style fortifications if you can't bring artillery over 100mm within 50 km of the front line; and you can't bring BM-21 within 50 km of the lines (seeing as the range of BM-21 is 45 km and you'd like some distance between you and the front line anyway). These restrictions no longer apply, and show once again that arms control, in whatever form it may take, is insane. Ukraine should start gathering heavy caliber artillery and preparing for the liberation of the Donbass -- a smart officer with a programmable calculator, GPS locator, and radio/drone access should be enough to walk fire onto WWI style trenches and crush them with a minimum of shells now that you can wheel 122mm D-30 Howitzers up to within 5 km of the frontlines (it has a range of 15 km) and start raining hate down. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:09:05 PM EST
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:09:15 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Put some chains around it and it would make a nice little roadside attraction. Similar to the buried Cadillacs along Rte 66. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:10:48 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By solid: I'm fairly sure we are a nation. I guess you'll never get it though. Try the decaf. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By solid: Originally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Much of the American Right has been opposed to nationalism for a very long time, myself included, as well as being in opposition to other ideas originating in the French Revolution (such as socialism). I don't consider it a good ideological trait at all and it tends to lead to bad things, whether intended or not. Also, some of what Orban has been doing is dangerous and can easily lead to outright tyranny, which is why most of the Right has opposed moves in that direction in this country, as tempting as it can be, especially given how much a threat the Left has become (I can definitely sympathize with Orban on that note). American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. I'm fairly sure we are a nation. I guess you'll never get it though. Try the decaf. He has bordered on full retard more than once in this thread. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:13:26 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: https://i.imgur.com/b13bYZY.jpeg |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:13:44 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of "being an American means I believe in freedom" but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn't matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee's tomorrow that it's impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. I'm sure you mean well, but this is why most Americans here view Europeans as smug and arrogant to include myself. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:13:56 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroEngineer: Come on, that's not even a remotely reasonable assessment of what was going on. Can't we be slightly smarter than this sort of off the cuff, edgey but total BS remark? Is it remotely possible to even consider that infantry operating in an effective screen for armor is different than infantry sitting inside an APC and then running out as soon as an ambush is sprung? Can you not comprehend how, in both of those situations there are infantry present, but the function is very different? The constant lumping of very complicated scenarios into some vastly oversimplified statement for an edgey, sarcastic remark is the absolute worst thing about this site. It's like people don't want to think one bit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroEngineer: Originally Posted By mcantu: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Ukrainian tank ambushing a Russian armored column. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/twynap/a_single_ukrainian_tank_engaging_a_large_russian/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb Come on, that's not even a remotely reasonable assessment of what was going on. Can't we be slightly smarter than this sort of off the cuff, edgey but total BS remark? Is it remotely possible to even consider that infantry operating in an effective screen for armor is different than infantry sitting inside an APC and then running out as soon as an ambush is sprung? Can you not comprehend how, in both of those situations there are infantry present, but the function is very different? The constant lumping of very complicated scenarios into some vastly oversimplified statement for an edgey, sarcastic remark is the absolute worst thing about this site. It's like people don't want to think one bit. In the beginning, like WWI, when the threat was machine guns and barbed wire, tanks led the way, always. In WWII, if you are up against machine guns and infantry, tanks lead the way. Mostly because comms is always bad and the tanks like a nice sector of fire in front of them. And hiding behind a tank is bad because they draw fire. There is value added in mounted assaults to maneuver around defenders but seeing as the Rus cant defend their LOCs, they will win this fight dismounted, at 3mph, or not at all. If you are in close in terrain, like the bocage/woods/urban terrain, and the defenders have short range rocket launchers, you can put the infantry in the lead, and their job is to shoot up enemy rocket teams. And if they hit a patch of machine guns you call the tanks up. The problem with this is grunt math. A mech company of say, four tanks and ten BMPs at full strength has 70 dismounts. More likely 50. The AT weapons aren't bazookas with 100 meter range. They have 2000 meter range. You dont hav e the people to get out front and clear javelins, unless you partner light infantry with mech units to get lots of bodies, which actually is a good technique the Russians aren't doing. By all means feel free to dismount infantry in front of tanks in an urban environment, not running down the street like these FOOLS in the :57 minute mark. Realistically, as an analogy, if tanks are facing AT weapons with a 2000 meter kill range, that seems to me to be analogous to something like the German 88mms in the Western Desert in 1942. They go through British tanks like butter. And a mech force doesn't have enough infantry to go run out 2000 meters and take out AT guns, because the 88s will be protected by machine guns and mortars and such. This particular case was a tank fight, which is unusual, at least as far as videos show. The answer, like in the desert, is combined arms. Basically HE. Rotary wing is out, or debatable, because of stingers. Infantry isn't appropriate. The more realistic answer will be artillery. I'm not sure if in terms of training the Russians can pull this off but armor/infantry cooperation clearly sucks. Given the tech that is flowing into the country, Id see the Russians trying to be more artillery-centric, and the Ukrainians need to think about how to fight in depth. Artillery or UAVs to target artillery and C2 deeper then javelins can reach. Or, I guess, SOF, but I suppose SOF in the rear of the Russians gets harder IF they mass on a narrow front and have lots of Rus infantry in a small space. So: Phase I: Ukrainian infantry with NLAWs and javelins has been very successful against Russian mech that hasnt been synched with their own infantry and artillery. Next: Russians try to use HE throwers against AT and Ukrainians try to find a way to neutralize Russian artillery, or perhaps, if the Russians cant get their CAS and rotary wing together, local tank counterattacks against Russians. It seems like the Russians got beat in the first few rounds of combined arms rock paper scissors, and they'll try something new, which will lead to future problems to solve, or they'll do more of the same, with more guys, and then this will get ugly. For them. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:14:10 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: They say her name is Irina. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-05_11-58-56_jpg-2338875.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-05_11-58-55_jpg-2338876.JPG |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:14:33 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: Dammit
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN1AGynXMAQYW4T?format=jpg&name=small https://t.me/ukrainenowenglish/4230 "A six-year-old boy, Sasha, who the whole of Ukraine was looking for, had been shot dead by the occupiers The parents have been looking for the little boy since March 10. It was then that the child and his grandmother on a boat tried to evacuate from the village of Sukholuchcha in the Kyiv region to the opposite bank of the Kyiv reservoir. The attempt was unsuccessful. And the parents believed that their child was still alive. Only weeks later, the boy's body was found, he had died of a gunshot wound."
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:15:13 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miracle_Pants: If the EU and NATO are untrustworthy and such a problem to be part of then why does Hungary stay? Neither organizations are suicide pacts, it is possible for nations to freely leave them at any time. Hungary stays in NATO for the same reason most countries stay in.... defense insurance provided by USA. If USA drops out of NATO, they would be like rats leaving a sinking ship. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:15:13 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vampgrrl: We are not a nation. We haven't ever been a nation. There was some illusion of nationhood that existed from 1941-1980/90ish. There has always been sectionalist conflict and now its urban/rural plus the massive numbers of new and 1/2nd generation immigrants. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vampgrrl: Originally Posted By solid: I'm fairly sure we are a nation. I guess you'll never get it though. Try the decaf. We are not a nation. We haven't ever been a nation. There was some illusion of nationhood that existed from 1941-1980/90ish. There has always been sectionalist conflict and now its urban/rural plus the massive numbers of new and 1/2nd generation immigrants.  Attached FileThat may be your opinion but it's objectively and categorically wrong. A single unified ethnic group does not a nation make, and hardly any country would qualify as a nation if the definition required monolithic ethnicity. No nation in Europe consists 100% of a single ethnic group. So that idea is totally false. Also, no nation exists where everyone agrees with everyone else all the time. So, just because there are political factions and disagreements in a country that does not mean that it's not a nation. Again, by that standard no country could be considered a nation because there are different points of view and people with clashing agendas everywhere. The United States is definitely a nation, or if it isn't then there is no such thing as a "nation" at all. It's actually been one of the strongest and most clearly defined nations in the world, and even now it would be if not for the corruption of the American political class. Everyday Americans agree on more than they disagree. |
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