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Posted: 1/26/2022 10:48:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: Germany is sending 5000 helmets to Ukraine after refusing to send any weapons.  Tards. I'd refuse delivery and return to sender. 
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Posted: 1/26/2022 10:49:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: Germany is sending 5000 helmets to Ukraine after refusing to send any weapons. I mean... They've probably got a few extra sitting around.   Attached FileProbably just trying to give the Russians better targets. 
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Posted: 1/26/2022 11:02:50 AM EDT
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Video of bridging equipment moving south through Belarus. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 11:12:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OBird: I think this is the most likely outcome as of right now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OBird: Originally Posted By Pred: $20 says Germany gives assurances to Russia tomorrow that they won’t let Ukraine into NATO for a decade and all of this dies down. Putin gets what he wants plus weakens NATO. I think this is the most likely outcome as of right now. What about the other 87 things he wants? |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 11:20:09 AM EDT
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US Air Force deployed F-15's to Estonia today, Danish F-16's arriving in Lithuania as well to bolster Baltic air defenses.
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Posted: 1/26/2022 11:20:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: What about the other 87 things he wants? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By OBird: Originally Posted By Pred: $20 says Germany gives assurances to Russia tomorrow that they won’t let Ukraine into NATO for a decade and all of this dies down. Putin gets what he wants plus weakens NATO. I think this is the most likely outcome as of right now. What about the other 87 things he wants? One should always ask for more than they're willing to settle for. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 11:31:03 AM EDT
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on a recon trip
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2022 11:44:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnT83: Croatia to recall NATO troops in Eastern Europe in case of conflict between Russia and Ukraine https://news.am/eng/news/683762.html So they are already announcing intent to abandon their NATO obligations?? Its not supposed to work that way is it? |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 11:53:09 AM EDT
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Once comrade Kolomoyskyi and comrade Putin come to terms on their revenue sharing agreement for natural gas transit, this show will end. All of the ATGMs that Ukraine is getting for free from the west will be sold on the global markets. The com-block oligarchs will be laughing all the way to the bank. Just like Afghanistan, Ukraine is a bottomless abyss of corruption and incompetence. Every dollar spent on "helping" them is a dollar wasted. Might as well be sending lethal aid to North Korea.
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AL, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2022 12:11:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gene_wi: Once comrade Kolomoyskyi and comrade Putin come to terms on their revenue sharing agreement for natural gas transit, this show will end. All of the ATGMs that Ukraine is getting for free from the west will be sold on the global markets. The com-block oligarchs will be laughing all the way to the bank. Just like Afghanistan, Ukraine is a bottomless abyss of corruption and incompetence. Every dollar spent on "helping" them is a dollar wasted. Might as well be sending lethal aid to North Korea.  Attached File |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2022 12:42:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gene_wi: Once comrade Kolomoyskyi and comrade Putin come to terms on their revenue sharing agreement for natural gas transit, this show will end. All of the ATGMs that Ukraine is getting for free from the west will be sold on the global markets. The com-block oligarchs will be laughing all the way to the bank. Just like Fixed |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 1:40:39 PM EDT
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2022 1:45:29 PM EDT
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Feels like this is going to go hot very soon.
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Posted: 1/26/2022 1:54:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bluegrasscardinal: Feels like this is going to go hot very soon.
Saw a report that the Russians repeated that if their Ukraine demands are not met they will "retaliate." |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 1:59:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/26/2022 2:02:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
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Posted: 1/26/2022 2:06:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gene_wi: Once comrade Kolomoyskyi and comrade Putin come to terms on their revenue sharing agreement for natural gas transit, this show will end. All of the ATGMs that Ukraine is getting for free from the west will be sold on the global markets. The com-block oligarchs will be laughing all the way to the bank. Just like Afghanistan, Ukraine is a bottomless abyss of corruption and incompetence. Every dollar spent on "helping" them is a dollar wasted. Might as well be sending lethal aid to North Korea. I agree with you there for the most part and its refreshing to see someone who understands Ukrainian politics. Although, Putin will not stop until he controls Ukraine. Many don't know the connection between current Ukrainian president Zelensky (former actor and comedian) and the crooked Kremlin "Ukrainian" oligarchs: https://www.kyivpost.com/business/slidstvo-info-journalists-confirm-zelenskys-40-million-tie-with-kolomoisky-video.html . Many also don't know the connection of former Ukrainian president Poroshenko and the "Communist-Lite" Party of Regions (he was a founder) which put Kremlin puppet Yanukovych (Paul Manafort's client he helped get elected with Kremlin money) which sparked this whole mess off. Poroshenko is currently under indictment for corruption involving Russia - https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-ex-leader-petro-poroshenko-accused-of-treason/a-60201206 . The Ukrainian people get screwed by their politicians all the time. (Sounds familiar...) Don't completely blame Ukrainians for the shortcomings and/or corruption of many of their politicians. Ukrainians are partially to blame, but the election process can only do so much to weed these jerks out. See this thread if you haven't' already: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/BREAKING-NEWS-Ukrainian-Government-Approves-Procedures-to-Loosen-Firearms-Restrictions-for-Citizens/5-2524114/?page=1 |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 2:10:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bluegrasscardinal: Feels like this is going to go hot very soon.
This Tweet showed up for me under that one...can't make this shit up:
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Posted: 1/26/2022 2:12:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Baddy: This Tweet showed up for me under that one...can't make this shit up:
That's gotta be a hidden message......or whoever is running that twitter account is autistic |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 2:22:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Baddy: This Tweet showed up for me under that one...can't make this shit up:
Those comments are just moontarded. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 2:25:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Greyswandir: That's gotta be a hidden message......or whoever is running that twitter account is autistic Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Greyswandir: Originally Posted By Baddy: This Tweet showed up for me under that one...can't make this shit up:
That's gotta be a hidden message......or whoever is running that twitter account is autistic Yea, the message is Potatus is tired of dealing with hard stuff, his 1 1/2 hours of press conference last week was enough work for now, and it's time for ice cream! Remember, he said during that presser that he'd be getting out to see the public more. Guess that meant steering clear of the situation room in favor of Jeni's Ice Cream parlor. Back on topic though, Richard Engel fired off a series of tweets right after the above that seem to indicate things are getting ready to crank up. https://twitter.com/RichardEngel He's part of the MSM establishment, but is one of the better ones (not saying much.) Actually did some unbiased coverage during Afg pullout. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 2:44:08 PM EDT
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Some of the youtube analysts are theorizing that as Russia gets closer to kicking off a full fledged invasion there will be some form of cyber attack on either the US or the Western powers at large. Doesn't make sense for Russia to try to antagonize the western powers if they know US and NATO won't do shit other than send thots and prayers. Anyone have thoughts on a pre-game cyber attack?
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Posted: 1/26/2022 2:50:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Greyswandir: Some of the youtube analysts are theorizing that as Russia gets closer to kicking off a full fledged invasion there will be some form of cyber attack on either the US or the Western powers at large. Doesn't make sense for Russia to try to antagonize the western powers if they know US and NATO won't do shit other than send thots and prayers. Anyone have thoughts on a pre-game cyber attack? Banking on the confusion preventing any timely response from any party? |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 2:51:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Greyswandir: Some of the youtube analysts are theorizing that as Russia gets closer to kicking off a full fledged invasion there will be some form of cyber attack on either the US or the Western powers at large. Doesn't make sense for Russia to try to antagonize the western powers if they know US and NATO won't do shit other than send thots and prayers. Anyone have thoughts on a pre-game cyber attack? That could cut both ways. Russians kick off some (small-scale) cyberattacks against US/Western infrastructure, as a warning shot: "Stay out of our affairs, or we'll hit you with the real deal, and send Americans into dark chaos." Could be Vlad testing Potatus to see how serious he was when he pretty-pleased the "these targets should be off-limits for cyberattack." Guess it depends on Russia's capabilities vs. ours to counter. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 3:03:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Banking on the confusion preventing any timely response from any party? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Originally Posted By Greyswandir: Some of the youtube analysts are theorizing that as Russia gets closer to kicking off a full fledged invasion there will be some form of cyber attack on either the US or the Western powers at large. Doesn't make sense for Russia to try to antagonize the western powers if they know US and NATO won't do shit other than send thots and prayers. Anyone have thoughts on a pre-game cyber attack? Banking on the confusion preventing any timely response from any party? Russia thrives on confusion so plausible, IMHO. Maybe not something directly against the US which could be a bit obvious (but not outside the realm of possibility). Maybe something on someone like England, France, or Australia instead who would be less obvious, an ally so it would still distract our attention, and with much less power to retaliate? |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 3:07:15 PM EDT
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Has Admiral Hunter Biden arrived at his CP yet as CINC-Ukraine?
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Posted: 1/26/2022 3:17:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Layer60]
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Falconpilot1: Originally Posted By gene_wi: Once comrade Kolomoyskyi and comrade Putin come to terms on their revenue sharing agreement for natural gas transit, this show will end. All of the ATGMs that Ukraine is getting for free from the west will be sold on the global markets. The com-block oligarchs will be laughing all the way to the bank. Just like Afghanistan, Ukraine is a bottomless abyss of corruption and incompetence. Every dollar spent on "helping" them is a dollar wasted. Might as well be sending lethal aid to North Korea. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/hes_right_you_know-328.jpg No. I most certainly do not know that. Russia plans to roll. They have planned to for quite a while, since they began staging equipment back in the first phase. I have maintained since that time: you don't move that much hardware, at massive expense, without planning to actually throw down. A lot of people are about to die. Just how many - and from which countries - is the question. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 3:22:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By torstin: So they are already announcing intent to abandon their NATO obligations?? Its not supposed to work that way is it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By torstin: Originally Posted By JohnT83: Croatia to recall NATO troops in Eastern Europe in case of conflict between Russia and Ukraine https://news.am/eng/news/683762.html So they are already announcing intent to abandon their NATO obligations?? Its not supposed to work that way is it? NATO has no obligations to Ukraine and member states have no obligation to keep troops in countries close to Russia. Bulgaria is also rumbling about this saying they wont send troops to fight in Ukraine and some in the government are saying they don't want US troops deployed to their country. US has resonded to Russian security proposals but has asked Russia not to make its response public. https://www.rt.com/russia/547447-russia-us-nato-security-response/ |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 3:23:16 PM EDT
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And another case of Ukraine making the situation out to be western hysteria:
Not imminent Ukraine in the past days has made it clear that it thinks both the US and UK's reduction of embassy staff and their families is an overreaction. On Monday and Tuesday, Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov told parliament "there are no grounds to believe" Russia will invade imminently. "Don't worry, sleep well," Reznikov said. "No need to have your bags packed." Ukrainian leaders have expressed anger over the move driven by 'hysteria' while outright rejecting as "premature" a State Department travel advisory for Ukraine on Sunday that cited "the increased threats of Russian military action. Apparently undeterred by the contradiction and what it's eastern European ally is clearly advising against, the Biden administration has pulled the trigger on Wednesday, issuing an urgent advisory telling all American citizens they should depart Ukraine amid signs of an "imminent" Russian offensive. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 3:29:35 PM EDT
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Binkov's content is pretty damn good usually.
 What might happen if Russia does attack Ukraine? |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 3:29:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnT83: NATO has no obligations to Ukraine and member states have no obligation to keep troops in countries close to Russia. Bulgaria is also rumbling about this saying they wont send troops to fight in Ukraine and some in the government are saying they don't want US troops deployed to their country. US has resonded to Russian security proposals but has asked Russia not to make its response public. https://www.rt.com/russia/547447-russia-us-nato-security-response/ |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 3:33:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: I agree with you there for the most part and its refreshing to see someone who understands Ukrainian politics. Although, Putin will not stop until he controls Ukraine. Many don't know the connection between current Ukrainian president Zelensky (former actor and comedian) and the crooked Kremlin "Ukrainian" oligarchs: https://www.kyivpost.com/business/slidstvo-info-journalists-confirm-zelenskys-40-million-tie-with-kolomoisky-video.html . Many also don't know the connection of former Ukrainian president Poroshenko and the "Communist-Lite" Party of Regions (he was a founder) which put Kremlin puppet Yanukovych (Paul Manafort's client he helped get elected with Kremlin money) which sparked this whole mess off. The Ukrainian people get screwed by their politicians all the time. (Sounds familiar...) See this thread if you haven't' already: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/BREAKING-NEWS-Ukrainian-Government-Approves-Procedures-to-Loosen-Firearms-Restrictions-for-Citizens/5-2524114/?page=1 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By gene_wi: Once comrade Kolomoyskyi and comrade Putin come to terms on their revenue sharing agreement for natural gas transit, this show will end. All of the ATGMs that Ukraine is getting for free from the west will be sold on the global markets. The com-block oligarchs will be laughing all the way to the bank. Just like Afghanistan, Ukraine is a bottomless abyss of corruption and incompetence. Every dollar spent on "helping" them is a dollar wasted. Might as well be sending lethal aid to North Korea. I agree with you there for the most part and its refreshing to see someone who understands Ukrainian politics. Although, Putin will not stop until he controls Ukraine. Many don't know the connection between current Ukrainian president Zelensky (former actor and comedian) and the crooked Kremlin "Ukrainian" oligarchs: https://www.kyivpost.com/business/slidstvo-info-journalists-confirm-zelenskys-40-million-tie-with-kolomoisky-video.html . Many also don't know the connection of former Ukrainian president Poroshenko and the "Communist-Lite" Party of Regions (he was a founder) which put Kremlin puppet Yanukovych (Paul Manafort's client he helped get elected with Kremlin money) which sparked this whole mess off. The Ukrainian people get screwed by their politicians all the time. (Sounds familiar...) See this thread if you haven't' already: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/BREAKING-NEWS-Ukrainian-Government-Approves-Procedures-to-Loosen-Firearms-Restrictions-for-Citizens/5-2524114/?page=1 Glad to see folks in the know here. Few in the west understand or even comprehend the level of inbred corruption that permeates eastern Europe. However "Although, Putin will not stop until he controls Ukraine.", why do I keep hearing this. What's there in Ukraine that's worth fighting for? Its a failed state, it has nothing to offer, the population is old etc.. etc... Putin already has Crimea, and that's really the only strategically important region. Cleary you understand post soviet politics and realities. So why do you think Putin wants to annex Ukraine? Ukraine is about 50 million people, where is Putin going to get the budget to feed them if he annexes them. The Russian economy barely survived annexing Crimea. Annexing Ukraine will destroy modern Russia, the financials are simply not there. I think this is regional oligarchs playing their oligarch games. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 3:38:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: I would really like to see that response. Luckily, asking Russia not to make it public ensures they will make it public... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By JohnT83: NATO has no obligations to Ukraine and member states have no obligation to keep troops in countries close to Russia. Bulgaria is also rumbling about this saying they wont send troops to fight in Ukraine and some in the government are saying they don't want US troops deployed to their country. US has resonded to Russian security proposals but has asked Russia not to make its response public. https://www.rt.com/russia/547447-russia-us-nato-security-response/ The agreement ending the cuban missile crisis included the US removing nuclear missiles from Italy and Turkey under the condition that the Soviets didn't publicize that fact. The US wanted public perception on their side. Maybe the US made security concessions to Russia. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 3:39:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rca2222: And another case of Ukraine making the situation out to be western hysteria: Not imminent Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rca2222: And another case of Ukraine making the situation out to be western hysteria: Not imminent Ukraine in the past days has made it clear that it thinks both the US and UK's reduction of embassy staff and their families is an overreaction. On Monday and Tuesday, Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov told parliament "there are no grounds to believe" Russia will invade imminently. "Don't worry, sleep well," Reznikov said. "No need to have your bags packed." Ukrainian leaders have expressed anger over the move driven by 'hysteria' while outright rejecting as "premature" a State Department travel advisory for Ukraine on Sunday that cited "the increased threats of Russian military action. Apparently undeterred by the contradiction and what it's eastern European ally is clearly advising against, the Biden administration has pulled the trigger on Wednesday, issuing an urgent advisory telling all American citizens they should depart Ukraine amid signs of an "imminent" Russian offensive. Although the situation changes almost daily, I do not believe that Putin will try to take the half of the country let alone the whole country as that is an impossibility due to many factors, two of which are rather LARGE: 1) Ukraine's population is 44 million and Ukrainians HATE Russians, 2) The country is geographically big, its the second largest country in Europe (only Russian is larger). The occupation force would have to be unbelievably huge and that is if there isn't much resistance BUT THERE WILL BE MASSIVE RESISTANCE IN CITIES AND LARGE TOWNS. This article is pretty good: Putin's Losing Hand , but the estimates on how large of an occupation force is needed is underestimated in my opinion although the author states that Russia just doesn't have the "boots on the ground" anyway. IF Putin, and their cannon fodder Belorussians, would roll into Kyiv it would be a disaster for them and the capital would relocate to Lviv - THAT'S WHEN POLAND AND EVERYONE GETS INVOLVED. The Donbass ( Donetsk and Luhansk) will probably see Russian troops (officially) move in after some bullshit false flag which is typical Russian strategy. As far as other regions, that is yet to be seen. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 3:48:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mnd6563]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gene_wi: Glad to see folks in the know here. Few in the west understand or even comprehend the level of inbred corruption that permeates eastern Europe. However "Although, Putin will not stop until he controls Ukraine.", why do I keep hearing this. What's there in Ukraine that's worth fighting for? Its a failed state, it has nothing to offer, the population is old etc.. etc... Putin already has Crimea, and that's really the only strategically important region. Cleary you understand post soviet politics and realities. So why do you think Putin wants to annex Ukraine? Ukraine is about 50 million people, where is Putin going to get the budget to feed them if he annexes them. The Russian economy barely survived annexing Crimea. Annexing Ukraine will destroy modern Russia, the financials are simply not there. I think this is regional oligarchs playing their oligarch games. If Ukraine has no value to Russia, why is Putin mobilizing the largest invasion force in Europe since WW2? This is half of Russia's active combat troops, equipment, and supply chain being moved to the border region of Ukraine. It is a massively expensive operation that Russia can not afford without getting some major return. Russia cannot keep those troops and resources tied up in makeshift camps for long without incurring huge costs and productivity losses. So apparently Ukraine is a major issue for Putin. He wants some major return on all of this, my guess is he underestimated the level of push back from the US, UK, Canada, and the Baltics. I don't think his ego will let him back down now. He wants his great conquest for history. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 3:49:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gene_wi: Glad to see folks in the know here. Few in the west understand or even comprehend the level of inbred corruption that permeates eastern Europe. However "Although, Putin will not stop until he controls Ukraine.", why do I keep hearing this. What's there in Ukraine that's worth fighting for? Its a failed state, it has nothing to offer, the population is old etc.. etc... Putin already has Crimea, and that's really the only strategically important region. Cleary you understand post soviet politics and realities. So why do you think Putin wants to annex Ukraine? Ukraine is about 50 million people, where is Putin going to get the budget to feed them if he annexes them. The Russian economy barely survived annexing Crimea. Annexing Ukraine will destroy modern Russia, the financials are simply not there. I think this is regional oligarchs playing their oligarch games. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gene_wi: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By gene_wi: Once comrade Kolomoyskyi and comrade Putin come to terms on their revenue sharing agreement for natural gas transit, this show will end. All of the ATGMs that Ukraine is getting for free from the west will be sold on the global markets. The com-block oligarchs will be laughing all the way to the bank. Just like Afghanistan, Ukraine is a bottomless abyss of corruption and incompetence. Every dollar spent on "helping" them is a dollar wasted. Might as well be sending lethal aid to North Korea. I agree with you there for the most part and its refreshing to see someone who understands Ukrainian politics. Although, Putin will not stop until he controls Ukraine. Many don't know the connection between current Ukrainian president Zelensky (former actor and comedian) and the crooked Kremlin "Ukrainian" oligarchs: https://www.kyivpost.com/business/slidstvo-info-journalists-confirm-zelenskys-40-million-tie-with-kolomoisky-video.html . Many also don't know the connection of former Ukrainian president Poroshenko and the "Communist-Lite" Party of Regions (he was a founder) which put Kremlin puppet Yanukovych (Paul Manafort's client he helped get elected with Kremlin money) which sparked this whole mess off. The Ukrainian people get screwed by their politicians all the time. (Sounds familiar...) See this thread if you haven't' already: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/BREAKING-NEWS-Ukrainian-Government-Approves-Procedures-to-Loosen-Firearms-Restrictions-for-Citizens/5-2524114/?page=1 Glad to see folks in the know here. Few in the west understand or even comprehend the level of inbred corruption that permeates eastern Europe. However "Although, Putin will not stop until he controls Ukraine.", why do I keep hearing this. What's there in Ukraine that's worth fighting for? Its a failed state, it has nothing to offer, the population is old etc.. etc... Putin already has Crimea, and that's really the only strategically important region. Cleary you understand post soviet politics and realities. So why do you think Putin wants to annex Ukraine? Ukraine is about 50 million people, where is Putin going to get the budget to feed them if he annexes them. The Russian economy barely survived annexing Crimea. Annexing Ukraine will destroy modern Russia, the financials are simply not there. I think this is regional oligarchs playing their oligarch games. Controlling Ukraine does not mean annexing and taking care of Ukraine. Ukraine has a vast amount of resources not to mention it has the richest soil in the world. As far as Ukraine being some backward fourth world "failed state" that is simply not true. Too much to write now but take a look here:              LVIV TRAVEL GUIDE | Top 20 Things to do in Lviv, Ukraine  Why You Need to Visit Lviv Ukraine  Exploring BEAUTIFUL LVIV, UKRAINE! This City Will BLOW you AWAY!  Ultimate UKRAINIAN FOOD TOUR of Lviv's Old Town | Ukraine  DON'T MISS THIS AMAZING UKRAINIAN CITY | Lviv City Tour  ???? LVIV, UKRAINE | STREET FOOD NIGHT MARKET AND NAUGHTY UKRAINIAN ANGELS AT NIGHT IBIS Ukrainian gun store chain (Beautiful stores which can rival Cabala's or Bass Pro Shops) - MSR Page, ""hi-cap" magazine page, suppressor page . IBIS YOUTUBE Channel - POF Rifle review:  ???????? ??, ?????? ?16: ???????? ? ???????? POF USA |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 3:58:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BoostKING: FOG Posted their trailer.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU5Qd8-EVhgThat's all that's on their feed is trailers. Where do you see the full content? |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 3:59:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnT83: The agreement ending the cuban missile crisis included the US removing nuclear missiles from Italy and Turkey under the condition that the Soviets didn't publicize that fact. The US wanted public perception on their side. Maybe the US made security concessions to Russia. We're pulling our troops out of Poland? Biden sent the troops to help them start packing up? |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 4:01:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gene_wi: Once comrade Kolomoyskyi and comrade Putin come to terms on their revenue sharing agreement for natural gas transit, this show will end. All of the ATGMs that Ukraine is getting for free from the west will be sold on the global markets. The com-block oligarchs will be laughing all the way to the bank. Just like Afghanistan, Ukraine is a bottomless abyss of corruption and incompetence. Every dollar spent on "helping" them is a dollar wasted. Might as well be sending lethal aid to North Korea. Shame we can't import NFA for non-SOT sales. Who doesn't want a man portable anti-tank weapon? |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 4:05:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Controlling Ukraine does not mean annexing and taking care of Ukraine. Ukraine has a vast amount of resources not to mention it has the richest soil in the world. As far as Ukraine being some backward fourth world "failed state" that is simply not true. Too much to write now but take a look here: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By gene_wi: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By gene_wi: Once comrade Kolomoyskyi and comrade Putin come to terms on their revenue sharing agreement for natural gas transit, this show will end. All of the ATGMs that Ukraine is getting for free from the west will be sold on the global markets. The com-block oligarchs will be laughing all the way to the bank. Just like Afghanistan, Ukraine is a bottomless abyss of corruption and incompetence. Every dollar spent on "helping" them is a dollar wasted. Might as well be sending lethal aid to North Korea. I agree with you there for the most part and its refreshing to see someone who understands Ukrainian politics. Although, Putin will not stop until he controls Ukraine. Many don't know the connection between current Ukrainian president Zelensky (former actor and comedian) and the crooked Kremlin "Ukrainian" oligarchs: https://www.kyivpost.com/business/slidstvo-info-journalists-confirm-zelenskys-40-million-tie-with-kolomoisky-video.html . Many also don't know the connection of former Ukrainian president Poroshenko and the "Communist-Lite" Party of Regions (he was a founder) which put Kremlin puppet Yanukovych (Paul Manafort's client he helped get elected with Kremlin money) which sparked this whole mess off. The Ukrainian people get screwed by their politicians all the time. (Sounds familiar...) See this thread if you haven't' already: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/BREAKING-NEWS-Ukrainian-Government-Approves-Procedures-to-Loosen-Firearms-Restrictions-for-Citizens/5-2524114/?page=1 Glad to see folks in the know here. Few in the west understand or even comprehend the level of inbred corruption that permeates eastern Europe. However "Although, Putin will not stop until he controls Ukraine.", why do I keep hearing this. What's there in Ukraine that's worth fighting for? Its a failed state, it has nothing to offer, the population is old etc.. etc... Putin already has Crimea, and that's really the only strategically important region. Cleary you understand post soviet politics and realities. So why do you think Putin wants to annex Ukraine? Ukraine is about 50 million people, where is Putin going to get the budget to feed them if he annexes them. The Russian economy barely survived annexing Crimea. Annexing Ukraine will destroy modern Russia, the financials are simply not there. I think this is regional oligarchs playing their oligarch games. Controlling Ukraine does not mean annexing and taking care of Ukraine. Ukraine has a vast amount of resources not to mention it has the richest soil in the world. As far as Ukraine being some backward fourth world "failed state" that is simply not true. Too much to write now but take a look here: What does controlling mean to you then? Putin has been very transparent in what he wants from and for Ukraine. That is neutrality and not being part of NATO, that's about it. I think you severely overestimate Putin, and modern Russia. Last election Putin had a plan to unite Russia with Belarus, so he could be the president of a new country. He did not have enough leverage over Lukashenko to achieve that, hence the changes to the Russian constitution. The changes were deeply unpopular internally. If Putin can't even get Lukashenko to play ball, how do you expect him to control Ukraine? |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 4:21:13 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gene_wi: I am well familiar with Ukraine and Russia, I have family in both countries. Glamour shots are just that, glamour and propaganda. The reality is very very different and painful, especially once you get out of major metro areas. What does controlling mean to you then? Putin has been very transparent in what he wants from and for Ukraine. That is neutrality and not being part of NATO, that's about it. I think you severely overestimate Putin, and modern Russia. Last election Putin had a plan to unite Russia with Belarus, so he could be the president of a new country. He did not have enough leverage over Lukashenko to achieve that, hence the changes to the Russian constitution. The changes were deeply unpopular internally. If Putin can't even get Lukashenko to play ball, how do you expect him to control Ukraine? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gene_wi: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By gene_wi: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By gene_wi: Once comrade Kolomoyskyi and comrade Putin come to terms on their revenue sharing agreement for natural gas transit, this show will end. All of the ATGMs that Ukraine is getting for free from the west will be sold on the global markets. The com-block oligarchs will be laughing all the way to the bank. Just like Afghanistan, Ukraine is a bottomless abyss of corruption and incompetence. Every dollar spent on "helping" them is a dollar wasted. Might as well be sending lethal aid to North Korea. I agree with you there for the most part and its refreshing to see someone who understands Ukrainian politics. Although, Putin will not stop until he controls Ukraine. Many don't know the connection between current Ukrainian president Zelensky (former actor and comedian) and the crooked Kremlin "Ukrainian" oligarchs: https://www.kyivpost.com/business/slidstvo-info-journalists-confirm-zelenskys-40-million-tie-with-kolomoisky-video.html . Many also don't know the connection of former Ukrainian president Poroshenko and the "Communist-Lite" Party of Regions (he was a founder) which put Kremlin puppet Yanukovych (Paul Manafort's client he helped get elected with Kremlin money) which sparked this whole mess off. The Ukrainian people get screwed by their politicians all the time. (Sounds familiar...) See this thread if you haven't' already: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/BREAKING-NEWS-Ukrainian-Government-Approves-Procedures-to-Loosen-Firearms-Restrictions-for-Citizens/5-2524114/?page=1 Glad to see folks in the know here. Few in the west understand or even comprehend the level of inbred corruption that permeates eastern Europe. However "Although, Putin will not stop until he controls Ukraine.", why do I keep hearing this. What's there in Ukraine that's worth fighting for? Its a failed state, it has nothing to offer, the population is old etc.. etc... Putin already has Crimea, and that's really the only strategically important region. Cleary you understand post soviet politics and realities. So why do you think Putin wants to annex Ukraine? Ukraine is about 50 million people, where is Putin going to get the budget to feed them if he annexes them. The Russian economy barely survived annexing Crimea. Annexing Ukraine will destroy modern Russia, the financials are simply not there. I think this is regional oligarchs playing their oligarch games. Controlling Ukraine does not mean annexing and taking care of Ukraine. Ukraine has a vast amount of resources not to mention it has the richest soil in the world. As far as Ukraine being some backward fourth world "failed state" that is simply not true. Too much to write now but take a look here: What does controlling mean to you then? Putin has been very transparent in what he wants from and for Ukraine. That is neutrality and not being part of NATO, that's about it. I think you severely overestimate Putin, and modern Russia. Last election Putin had a plan to unite Russia with Belarus, so he could be the president of a new country. He did not have enough leverage over Lukashenko to achieve that, hence the changes to the Russian constitution. The changes were deeply unpopular internally. If Putin can't even get Lukashenko to play ball, how do you expect him to control Ukraine? So you have Russian family there? I am Half Ukrainian and have studied the history for 50 years not to mention speaking the language at the age of 3 after I learned English. As far as propaganda and glamour shots, I also ran international sales for one of the largest defense and firearms companies in the world not to mention working with billion dollar defense companies - I am very familiar with MANY countries as far as their GDP and defense spending capabilities. The people in the villages are not rich by any means but they are also not suffering under Russian brutality (I have a lot of family there). You wrote: "Putin has been very transparent in what he wants from and for Ukraine." What fucking Putin wants from or for Ukraine??? Who the hell is he to want anything for or from Ukraine an independent nation? You obviously are NOT familiar with Ukrainian history and the brutal Russian oppression (and genocide) toward Ukraine UNLESS you are Russian and are coming from that point of view. (And I think you are.) It wasn't time for him to absorb Belarus especially when he needs that country to be stable now with this "new" move BUT Putin certainly runs Belarus. The way he wants to control Belarus, he wants to control Ukraine and he did it for a time until the Kremlin stooge Yanukovych was thrown out. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 4:32:44 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rca2222: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/01/david-stockman/why-the-us-government-is-enforcing-the-dead-hand-of-the-soviet-presidium-in-crimea/ The above link is an article that will likely make heads explode. I think the author’s mail has a forwarding address in Moscow. That was straight Russia/Commie bs. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 4:51:11 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: I think the author's mail has a forwarding address in Moscow. That was straight Russia/Commie bs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: Originally Posted By rca2222: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/01/david-stockman/why-the-us-government-is-enforcing-the-dead-hand-of-the-soviet-presidium-in-crimea/ The above link is an article that will likely make heads explode. I think the author's mail has a forwarding address in Moscow. That was straight Russia/Commie bs. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 4:59:02 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/RUSSIANSCANDAL_jpg-2251575.JPG So true! The Russian/Soviet psyops has worked so well, especially here in GD. You could photo shop Snowden or Assange’s face on there as well. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 5:22:44 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: So you have Russian family there? I am Half Ukrainian and have studied the history for 50 years not to mention speaking the language at the age of 3 after I learned English. As far as propaganda and glamour shots, I also ran international sales for one of the largest defense and firearms companies in the world not to mention working with billion dollar defense companies - I am very familiar with MANY countries as far as their GDP and defense spending capabilities. The people in the villages are not rich by any means but they are also not suffering under Russian brutality (I have a lot of family there). You wrote: "Putin has been very transparent in what he wants from and for Ukraine." What fucking Putin wants from or for Ukraine??? Who the hell is he to want anything for or from Ukraine an independent nation? You obviously are NOT familiar with Ukrainian history and the brutal Russian oppression (and genocide) toward Ukraine UNLESS you are Russian and are coming from that point of view. (And I think you are.) It wasn't time for him to absorb Belarus especially when he needs that country to be stable now with this "new" move BUT Putin certainly runs Belarus. The way he wants to control Belarus, he wants to control Ukraine and he did it for a time until the Kremlin stooge Yanukovych was thrown out. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 5:46:07 PM EDT
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[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gene_wi: If you studied history you should be well familiar with Ukrainian atrocities against Poles, Jews, Belarusians, and Russians. Ukrainian grievances against Russians are valid, however same goes for grievances that Russians (and other minorities) have against Ukrainians. The region is similar to the Balkans in that way, there is plenty of bad blood. I think these grievances are masterfully played on by the oligarchs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gene_wi: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: So you have Russian family there? I am Half Ukrainian and have studied the history for 50 years not to mention speaking the language at the age of 3 after I learned English. As far as propaganda and glamour shots, I also ran international sales for one of the largest defense and firearms companies in the world not to mention working with billion dollar defense companies - I am very familiar with MANY countries as far as their GDP and defense spending capabilities. The people in the villages are not rich by any means but they are also not suffering under Russian brutality (I have a lot of family there). You wrote: "Putin has been very transparent in what he wants from and for Ukraine." What fucking Putin wants from or for Ukraine??? Who the hell is he to want anything for or from Ukraine an independent nation? You obviously are NOT familiar with Ukrainian history and the brutal Russian oppression (and genocide) toward Ukraine UNLESS you are Russian and are coming from that point of view. (And I think you are.) It wasn't time for him to absorb Belarus especially when he needs that country to be stable now with this "new" move BUT Putin certainly runs Belarus. The way he wants to control Belarus, he wants to control Ukraine and he did it for a time until the Kremlin stooge Yanukovych was thrown out. Here we go... just surprised it took this long. So Polish atrocities toward Ukrainians when they occupied western Ukraine were okay? Poles forbid the use of Cyrillic and punished Ukrainians who were Orthodox forcing them into the Latin-rite Catholic churches. My grandmother got a stick shoved into her ear by a Polish official to punish her - she was deaf in that ear all her life and had to turn her head to hear. And that's not near all of it. As far as Jews, four of the top officers in the Ukrainian Insurgent Army were doctors, Jewish doctors (two were surgeons I believe). My grandparents hid their Jewish neighbors in their fruit cellar when the Nazis came to the village looking for them and for Ukrainian partisans - if caught, they would have been shot and I wouldn't be here giving you grief (I am very proud of them for saving their Jewish neighbors). As far as Russian atrocities against Russians, LOL! Stalin committed the Holodomor which murdered 7-12 million Ukrainians in the largest genocide by famine in world history (Harvest of Despair documentary about the Holodomor) not to mention centuries of persecution by Russians/Muscovites. And then there were Ukrainian persecutions by Jewish Communist Russians after WW1 which were quite extensive but no one is "allowed" to speak of that. And then there is the Katyn massacre of Poles by Russians. War sucks and occupiers are going to met with fierce violence AS THEY SHOULD - but for at least the 18th-21st centuries, you don't see Ukrainians invading anyone's land trying to conquer it and subjugate it/them like the Poles and Russians did. Unfortunately, history is written by the victors and unfortunately the Russians were the victors most of the time. I agree with you that "there is plenty of bad blood. I think these grievances are masterfully played on by the oligarchs." |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 6:03:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Here we go... just surprised it took this long. So Polish atrocities toward Ukrainians when they occupied western Ukraine were okay? Poles forbid the use of Cyrillic and punished Ukrainians who were Orthodox forcing them into the Latin-rite Catholic churches. My grandmother got a stick shoved into her ear by a Polish official to punish her - she was deaf in that ear all her life and had to turn her head to hear. And that's not near all of it. As far as Jews, four of the top officers in the Ukrainian Insurgent Army were doctors, Jewish doctors (two were surgeons I believe). My grandparents hid their Jewish neighbors in their fruit cellar when the Nazis came to the village looking for them and for Ukrainian partisans - if caught, they would have been shot and I wouldn't be here giving you grief (I am very proud of them for saving their Jewish neighbors). As far as Russian atrocities against Russians, LOL! Stalin committed the Holodomor which murdered 7-12 million Ukrainians in the largest genocide by famine in world history (Harvest of Despair documentary about the Holodomor) not to mention centuries of persecution by Russians/Muscovites. And then there were Ukrainian persecutions by Jewish Communist Russians after WW1 which were quite extensive but no one is "allowed" to speak of that. And then there is the Katyn massacre of Poles by Russians. War sucks and occupiers are going to met with fierce violence AS THEY SHOULD - but for at least the 18th-21st centuries, you don't see Ukrainians invading anyone's land trying to conquer it and subjugate it/them like the Poles and Russians did. Unfortunately, history is written by the victors and unfortunately the Russians were the victors most of the time. I agree with you that "there is plenty of bad blood. I think these grievances are masterfully played on by the oligarchs." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By gene_wi: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: So you have Russian family there? I am Half Ukrainian and have studied the history for 50 years not to mention speaking the language at the age of 3 after I learned English. As far as propaganda and glamour shots, I also ran international sales for one of the largest defense and firearms companies in the world not to mention working with billion dollar defense companies - I am very familiar with MANY countries as far as their GDP and defense spending capabilities. The people in the villages are not rich by any means but they are also not suffering under Russian brutality (I have a lot of family there). You wrote: "Putin has been very transparent in what he wants from and for Ukraine." What fucking Putin wants from or for Ukraine??? Who the hell is he to want anything for or from Ukraine an independent nation? You obviously are NOT familiar with Ukrainian history and the brutal Russian oppression (and genocide) toward Ukraine UNLESS you are Russian and are coming from that point of view. (And I think you are.) It wasn't time for him to absorb Belarus especially when he needs that country to be stable now with this "new" move BUT Putin certainly runs Belarus. The way he wants to control Belarus, he wants to control Ukraine and he did it for a time until the Kremlin stooge Yanukovych was thrown out. Here we go... just surprised it took this long. So Polish atrocities toward Ukrainians when they occupied western Ukraine were okay? Poles forbid the use of Cyrillic and punished Ukrainians who were Orthodox forcing them into the Latin-rite Catholic churches. My grandmother got a stick shoved into her ear by a Polish official to punish her - she was deaf in that ear all her life and had to turn her head to hear. And that's not near all of it. As far as Jews, four of the top officers in the Ukrainian Insurgent Army were doctors, Jewish doctors (two were surgeons I believe). My grandparents hid their Jewish neighbors in their fruit cellar when the Nazis came to the village looking for them and for Ukrainian partisans - if caught, they would have been shot and I wouldn't be here giving you grief (I am very proud of them for saving their Jewish neighbors). As far as Russian atrocities against Russians, LOL! Stalin committed the Holodomor which murdered 7-12 million Ukrainians in the largest genocide by famine in world history (Harvest of Despair documentary about the Holodomor) not to mention centuries of persecution by Russians/Muscovites. And then there were Ukrainian persecutions by Jewish Communist Russians after WW1 which were quite extensive but no one is "allowed" to speak of that. And then there is the Katyn massacre of Poles by Russians. War sucks and occupiers are going to met with fierce violence AS THEY SHOULD - but for at least the 18th-21st centuries, you don't see Ukrainians invading anyone's land trying to conquer it and subjugate it/them like the Poles and Russians did. Unfortunately, history is written by the victors and unfortunately the Russians were the victors most of the time. I agree with you that "there is plenty of bad blood. I think these grievances are masterfully played on by the oligarchs." Just to be clear with you. Atrocities are atrocities, past crimes do not justify retaliatory crimes etc. This is why I think Ukraine as it is now is absolutely a failed state that will not survive long term and go the way of Yugoslavia. On a side note what we are seeing in the US right now with CRT and general race grievances peddling by our own oligarchs will not end well and will lead to the same outcome. |
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