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Link Posted: 5/25/2022 2:57:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dracster:
"Israel rejected a US request to allow Germany to supply Ukraine with German-made missiles with Israeli technology.
Israel is concerned about the possibility of Russian soldiers being killed by Israeli weapons, which might push Russia to harm Israeli interests in Syria."

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What the hell did the Israelis expect German weapon manufacturers to make their weapons for using Isreali tech?

Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:00:12 PM EST
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TOS-1A impacts, you can see the shockwaves in the humid air.  Edit, was deleted.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:01:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dracster:
"Israel rejected a US request to allow Germany to supply Ukraine with German-made missiles with Israeli technology.
Israel is concerned about the possibility of Russian soldiers being killed by Israeli weapons, which might push Russia to harm Israeli interests in Syria."

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Those fucks have no problem selling our stuff to adversaries though do they?  Pathetic.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:01:27 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:01:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:



It's also worth noting that Russia's initial goals were to take Kiev and install a puppet. That failed...miserably. They have already lost their main objective. Ukraine's objective is to maintain sovereignty. Even if they lose some territory, they have already won that objective.  

Victory in this case may not be black and white, but in the gray area- Ukraine has already won and Russia lost...even if they both sides don't get/lose every objective.
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No. They sent trainees to Kiev to fix Uke troops in place. How does an army take a city of millions guarded by ~100K troops with 30-40K greenies? They don't, and even idiots wouldn't try. Plus, any peace deal would have to be signed by Zelensky. Installing a puppet to sign a deal would be viewed as wildly illegitimate by the entire planet.

Right now the Ruskies have pushed through the Uke's depth of defenses and have advanced ~15km. The Uke's have had serious defensive positions in the east for years, and it slowed the Ruskies down for a while. But they pounded them with arty relentlessly. It's not looking good.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:03:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:


No. They sent trainees to Kiev to fix Uke troops in place. How does an army take a city of millions guarded by ~100K troops with 30-40K greenies? They don't, and even idiots wouldn't try. Plus, any peace deal would have to be signed by Zelensky. Installing a puppet to sign a deal would be viewed as wildly illegitimate by the entire planet.

Right now the Ruskies have pushed through the Uke's depth of defenses and have advanced ~15km. The Uke's have had serious defensive positions in the east for years, and it slowed the Ruskies down for a while. But they pounded them with arty relentlessly. It's not looking good.
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Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:05:05 PM EST
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:


No. They sent trainees to Kiev to fix Uke troops in place. How does an army take a city of millions guarded by ~100K troops with 30-40K greenies? They don't, and even idiots wouldn't try. Plus, any peace deal would have to be signed by Zelensky. Installing a puppet to sign a deal would be viewed as wildly illegitimate by the entire planet.

Right now the Ruskies have pushed through the Uke's depth of defenses and have advanced ~15km. The Uke's have had serious defensive positions in the east for years, and it slowed the Ruskies down for a while. But they pounded them with arty relentlessly. It's not looking good.
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:
Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:



It's also worth noting that Russia's initial goals were to take Kiev and install a puppet. That failed...miserably. They have already lost their main objective. Ukraine's objective is to maintain sovereignty. Even if they lose some territory, they have already won that objective.  

Victory in this case may not be black and white, but in the gray area- Ukraine has already won and Russia lost...even if they both sides don't get/lose every objective.


No. They sent trainees to Kiev to fix Uke troops in place. How does an army take a city of millions guarded by ~100K troops with 30-40K greenies? They don't, and even idiots wouldn't try. Plus, any peace deal would have to be signed by Zelensky. Installing a puppet to sign a deal would be viewed as wildly illegitimate by the entire planet.

Right now the Ruskies have pushed through the Uke's depth of defenses and have advanced ~15km. The Uke's have had serious defensive positions in the east for years, and it slowed the Ruskies down for a while. But they pounded them with arty relentlessly. It's not looking good.


That's bullshit revisionism.  Putin himself has told eastern european leaders to their face that he could have his troops in 6 different capitals in 2 days.  That's exactly what he tried to do, because he thought he actually could, and failed.

eta: To say nothing of the fact that installing puppet leaders is literally his MO.  The previous Ukr president was a Putin puppet.  He has others installed elsewhere right now.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:06:25 PM EST
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"Azovstal continues to fight the racists: karma has overtaken two more

Details: two sappers from the DNR exploded while trying to clear the territory of the plant, - said the adviser to the mayor of Mariupol Petro Andryushchenko.
According to his sources, both were taken to hospital in serious condition. The forecast is disappointing. For the occupiers.
Heroic Azovstal takes revenge on the invaders."

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(There was a separate post yesterday with an additional 2 KIA, 2 WIA.)
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:06:25 PM EST
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No. They sent trainees to Kiev to fix Uke troops in place. How does an army take a city of millions guarded by ~100K troops with 30-40K greenies? They don't, and even idiots wouldn't try. Plus, any peace deal would have to be signed by Zelensky. Installing a puppet to sign a deal would be viewed as wildly illegitimate by the entire planet.

Right now the Ruskies have pushed through the Uke's depth of defenses and have advanced ~15km. The Uke's have had serious defensive positions in the east for years, and it slowed the Ruskies down for a while. But they pounded them with arty relentlessly. It's not looking good.



We get one every week.  Master Russian strategy, the real forces will come later.

Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:08:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dracster:
"Belarusian troops will start manoeuvres near the border with Ukraine tomorrow. Special operations forces of Belarus and aviation will take part in the training. Troops will be trained to cross the water barrier with the support of helicopters and fighters.

As a reminder, Belarus is an ally of Russia. From the territory of this country, Russian troops attacked Kyiv and fired on our territory."

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I bet it is a feint meant to move Ukrainian units there instead of the east.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:09:25 PM EST
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Who thought fixed positions would be a  good idea?  If all those black spots are artillery strikes a fixed position is going to get mauled.  The only way to win this is for UKR to kill Russians, trying to man fixed positions doesn't seem like the best approach.

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Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:11:02 PM EST
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I assume those don't fire tungsten BBs.

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Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:13:02 PM EST
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telegram videos suck
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:16:54 PM EST
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LOL

no shit
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:18:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MBUZICHOMA:



I normally don't watch much CNN but saw this yesterday.  I am not sure how credible the Colonel is, but he laid out the strategy that he thinks the Russians have.  Control the coast of Ukraine and choke off their ability to export crops.

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and lose billions in armor and 50,000 more troops at the same time.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:18:38 PM EST
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Those fucks have no problem selling our stuff to adversaries though do they?  Pathetic.
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Originally Posted By Dracster:
"Israel rejected a US request to allow Germany to supply Ukraine with German-made missiles with Israeli technology.
Israel is concerned about the possibility of Russian soldiers being killed by Israeli weapons, which might push Russia to harm Israeli interests in Syria."

https://t.me/UkrWarRep/5391

Those fucks have no problem selling our stuff to adversaries though do they?  Pathetic.


Yeah, handing over all our technology to the Chincoms pisses me off.

Israel has shown that they are no ally. Just like Germany and France.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:18:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dracster:
"Belarusian troops will start manoeuvres near the border with Ukraine tomorrow. Special operations forces of Belarus and aviation will take part in the training. Troops will be trained to cross the water barrier with the support of helicopters and fighters.

As a reminder, Belarus is an ally of Russia. From the territory of this country, Russian troops attacked Kyiv and fired on our territory."

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Putin probably is reluctant to bring Belarus into the invasion as that would bring it to a multi-national invasion of Ukraine. If Belarus goes into Ukraine, I expect Poland to counter with their forces.

Brits are already talking about using their Navy for a safe passage of commerce ships in the Black Sea. Big question is whether Turkey will grant them an exception to the closure of the straits. Turkey has been playing both sides and is not a consistent ally of NATO.  No wonder because russia is Turkey's largest source of energy, and it's one of their major export markets.  Russia is also one of the two biggest sources for tourists along with Germany.

Germany is fatigued with suppling arms to Ukraine and taking a hit on their economy, more so than they have been.  Polling in the USA is showing that Americans are getting tired of sacrificing their economy for Ukraine.  Stupid sheeple because they have to contend with Biden wrecking the economy no matter what.  Biden probably would prefer the russian invasion to go on up to the re-election season to give me something to blame rather than his disastrous polices.

If he cannot blame the Ukraine invasion for the economy while campaigning for re-election, I think his chances go from slim to slim to none.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:20:53 PM EST
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and lose billions in armor and 50,000 more troops at the same time.
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I normally don't watch much CNN but saw this yesterday.  I am not sure how credible the Colonel is, but he laid out the strategy that he thinks the Russians have.  Control the coast of Ukraine and choke off their ability to export crops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOpAdy8cLzg


and lose billions in armor and 50,000 more troops at the same time.


Do you think Putin cares?  The only question is whether he tossed out some canned sunshine or not to win.  And I'd bet a PMAG if he did he wouldn't bother to pull his troops back out of the fallout area.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:22:41 PM EST
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No. They sent trainees to Kiev to fix Uke troops in place. How does an army take a city of millions guarded by ~100K troops with 30-40K greenies? They don't, and even idiots wouldn't try. Plus, any peace deal would have to be signed by Zelensky. Installing a puppet to sign a deal would be viewed as wildly illegitimate by the entire planet.

Right now the Ruskies have pushed through the Uke's depth of defenses and have advanced ~15km. The Uke's have had serious defensive positions in the east for years, and it slowed the Ruskies down for a while. But they pounded them with arty relentlessly. It's not looking good.
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We all literally just lived through this recent history.   We all saw what color the sky was yesterday.  We all saw that it was blue.

Why are you now saying the sky was actually red all along?
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:23:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dracster:
"Belarusian troops will start manoeuvres near the border with Ukraine tomorrow. Special operations forces of Belarus and aviation will take part in the training. Troops will be trained to cross the water barrier with the support of helicopters and fighters.

As a reminder, Belarus is an ally of Russia. From the territory of this country, Russian troops attacked Kyiv and fired on our territory."

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It sort of reminds me of that time when russian troops built up on the border of ukraine only for maneuvers.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:24:17 PM EST
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No. They sent trainees to Kiev to fix Uke troops in place. How does an army take a city of millions guarded by ~100K troops with 30-40K greenies? They don't, and even idiots wouldn't try. Plus, any peace deal would have to be signed by Zelensky. Installing a puppet to sign a deal would be viewed as wildly illegitimate by the entire planet.

Right now the Ruskies have pushed through the Uke's depth of defenses and have advanced ~15km. The Uke's have had serious defensive positions in the east for years, and it slowed the Ruskies down for a while. But they pounded them with arty relentlessly. It's not looking good.
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Day 89ish of my 3 day war. I remain a master strategist.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:25:14 PM EST
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I wonder what the implications are if Ukraine shells Belarusian troops.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:28:51 PM EST
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No. They sent trainees to Kiev to fix Uke troops in place. How does an army take a city of millions guarded by ~100K troops with 30-40K greenies? They don't, and even idiots wouldn't try. Plus, any peace deal would have to be signed by Zelensky. Installing a puppet to sign a deal would be viewed as wildly illegitimate by the entire planet.

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What?
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:35:56 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:36:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:


No. They sent trainees to Kiev to fix Uke troops in place. How does an army take a city of millions guarded by ~100K troops with 30-40K greenies? They don't, and even idiots wouldn't try. Plus, any peace deal would have to be signed by Zelensky. Installing a puppet to sign a deal would be viewed as wildly illegitimate by the entire planet.

Right now the Ruskies have pushed through the Uke's depth of defenses and have advanced ~15km. The Uke's have had serious defensive positions in the east for years, and it slowed the Ruskies down for a while. But they pounded them with arty relentlessly. It's not looking good.
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:



It's also worth noting that Russia's initial goals were to take Kiev and install a puppet. That failed...miserably. They have already lost their main objective. Ukraine's objective is to maintain sovereignty. Even if they lose some territory, they have already won that objective.  

Victory in this case may not be black and white, but in the gray area- Ukraine has already won and Russia lost...even if they both sides don't get/lose every objective.


No. They sent trainees to Kiev to fix Uke troops in place. How does an army take a city of millions guarded by ~100K troops with 30-40K greenies? They don't, and even idiots wouldn't try. Plus, any peace deal would have to be signed by Zelensky. Installing a puppet to sign a deal would be viewed as wildly illegitimate by the entire planet.

Right now the Ruskies have pushed through the Uke's depth of defenses and have advanced ~15km. The Uke's have had serious defensive positions in the east for years, and it slowed the Ruskies down for a while. But they pounded them with arty relentlessly. It's not looking good.


lmao

VDV and Spetznaz trainees huh hahahahhahaha

They sent so few because they were arrogant and stupid enough to think Ukraine would welcome them as liberators, and/or not put up much of a fight. Putin SAID he wanted Kiev. He personally said it. You bought into Russia's revisionist bullshit.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:37:20 PM EST
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I normally don't watch much CNN but saw this yesterday.  I am not sure how credible the Colonel is, but he laid out the strategy that he thinks the Russians have.  Control the coast of Ukraine and choke off their ability to export crops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOpAdy8cLzg
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Rght now I think UA is just trading land for time.  I don’t expect to see any large scale counteroffensives until late summer, early fall.  

I believe UA is building a very large force but that takes time.  It has been 3 months, about 12 weeks.  Assuming they started training new forces on the day of the invasion that still does not mean they are ready to go.  

I have no idea how long a UA soldiers boot camp is but I imagine they aren’t just handing them a uniform and a rife and sending them to the front.  Not if they want to win anyway.  And not only do they need the training, the need the equipment.  Helmets, boots, individual weapons.  Word is they are trying to field a million man army.  Thats a lot of equipment.

I did a little googling on how long it took the US to basically train a force drone WWII.  From recruit to theater.  If UA is training anywhere close to this (which I assume they are; they seem to follow the western model of training your troops and not the Russian model of just tossing them into the fray).

Found this interesting post on Reddit.

"The length and rigor of training of units was not based upon their composition, but upon their type and role. I’ll use Infantry branch units and replacements as an example, since I have the most documentation on them. Part of the below is taken from an older answer. On February 16, 1942, General Headquarters, U.S. Army (which would give way a month later to the Army Ground Forces, Army Service Forces, and Army Air Forces) dictated 44 weeks (a hair over 10 months) as the period necessary to prepare an newly-activated infantry division for combat. The specified training period was reduced to 35 weeks beginning on November 1, 1942:

Training Length:

Basic and Individual Training
13 weeks

Small Unit Training
11 weeks

Combined Arms Training
11 weeks

On January. 5, 1943, combined arms training was lengthened by a week to allow for more time to conduct a regiment-sized (with one battalion of the regiment utilizing live ammunition) "battle" exercise supported by tank, tank destroyer, and field artillery units. On February 4, 1943, small unit training was lengthened by a week to incorporate new exercises which involved infiltration, close combat, and combat in cities. On April 28, 1943, the War Department mandated that all combat troops complete a course in "transition" firing before moving from basic rifle training to combat exercises. This lengthened basic and individual training by a week;

Training Length:

Basic and Individual Training
14 weeks

Small Unit Training
12 weeks

Combined Arms Training
12 weeks


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What you are failing to understand, that Ukraine already does understand is that they don't have time. There is not an option of giving up land to build up a bigger force. First you need to grasp the fact of "Russia is just blowing its load" is false or past-tense at this stage. Russia has very much learned from there mistakes at the first month of this war. VERY much learned. They are now fighting like a cohesive Combined Arms with strategy, and they are taking land EVERY day. UKRAINE, for the last 5 to 6 days has not been able to stop advances in very strategic places that is imperative for Ukraine to keep. There is no time to spare while they "build up" a force, as you say to stop the Russian onslaught. IF Russia takes DONETSK AND LUHANSK republics then Russia has won. And by all info available as of today it very much looks like that is going to happen, even if russia goes beyond those boundaries and are stopped by Ukraine russia has won this war. You are failing to realize as many are, even world leaders that if Ukraine cannot hold onto those regions NOW. There is no getting them back and a Ukraine that's smaller than Ukraine the day before this invasion started is no Ukraine at all. And the war is lost. Russia will announce they won the war, everythibg will calm down, Ukraine will be smaller and the west's support will come to a stop or close to it.  Then it's back to other world problems and elections and the russo-ukraine war will be old news


I'd have to disagree wholeheartedly with this assessment. First, the UK MOD posting from earlier today seems to indicate that the Russian advances in virtually all areas have stalled. That could be because Ukraine is getting better at stopping them, terrain is working against the Russians, the Russians are running out of massed artillery fire ability (destroyed or no ammo) or some combination thereof (most likely). Next, the Ukrainians appear to be taking a send-it kind of approach to the western gear. When they get a group trained up on it, they send it to "today's" hot spot to integrate with the existing units. How well that works depends on whether 1-5 guns is going to be decisive to thwart a specific localized Russian advance. Third, the Russians aren't really advancing as much as they are flattening anything ahead of them then claiming "success". This tactic doesn't help them "win" or maintain control over the region and, in fact, is counter-productive to that control. They already know they don't have the money to rebuild, re-settle ethnic Russians into a bombed-out area, and try to integrate now-destroyed cities and towns into Russia's SOI. Finally, since the loss-rate of Russian troops and equipment appears to be a multiple of Ukrainian losses, that doesn't lend itself to being able to sustain a war of attrition, it detracts from it. Every day Russia loses more men and materiel, their economy erodes further, and their status as a pariah nation becomes more solidified.

If, as some reports suggest, that the big Russian offensive in the east has, in fact, failed, then Russia is guaranteed to lose the war. Even if the Russian advance is slowed to a crawl, they don't have the wherewithal to maintain a crawl pace long enough to consolidate control of the east or the south. It appears to be a pipe dream at this point.



It's also worth noting that Russia's initial goals were to take Kiev and install a puppet. That failed...miserably. They have already lost their main objective. Ukraine's objective is to maintain sovereignty. Even if they lose some territory, they have already won that objective.  

Victory in this case may not be black and white, but in the gray area- Ukraine has already won and Russia lost...even if they both sides don't get/lose every objective.



I normally don't watch much CNN but saw this yesterday.  I am not sure how credible the Colonel is, but he laid out the strategy that he thinks the Russians have.  Control the coast of Ukraine and choke off their ability to export crops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOpAdy8cLzg



Yeah that might be their new plan. That would be bad too, but I'm not convinced they can pull it off.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:38:24 PM EST
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"Before retreating from the Brovary district, the occupiers threw out several boxes of shells to free up space for loading the loot

The adviser to the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Anton Gerashchenko told about it.

According to him, the orcs robbed the locals, taking away even home canning and kitchen utensils, but faced the problem of how to take it all out ...
And they came up with nothing better than to get rid of the ammunition of their armored vehicle and throw all the shells into the lake

"We are at war with mentally retarded orcs, who sincerely believe that the colander and pickled tomatoes are more important in battle than shells," joked an adviser to the Interior Minister."

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Yeah, handing over all our technology to the Chincoms pisses me off.

Israel has shown that they are no ally. Just like Germany and France.
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"Israel rejected a US request to allow Germany to supply Ukraine with German-made missiles with Israeli technology.
Israel is concerned about the possibility of Russian soldiers being killed by Israeli weapons, which might push Russia to harm Israeli interests in Syria."

https://t.me/UkrWarRep/5391

Those fucks have no problem selling our stuff to adversaries though do they?  Pathetic.


Yeah, handing over all our technology to the Chincoms pisses me off.

Israel has shown that they are no ally. Just like Germany and France.



Then don't read this book about the Clintons handing over our missile technology to the Red Chinese. (and of course, nothing happened to them...)

Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:39:58 PM EST
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I assume those don't fire tungsten BBs.

Must be some type of sonic disrupter.



RF energy in the 2.4 and 5.8 Ghz bands


It was a joke->smiley

Who makes the M777?
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There were Belarusian troops who went with the Russians the first time. From the looks of it then, once they realized where they were, they skeddadled back home pretty quickly.
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It was a joke->smiley

Who makes the M777?
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I assume those don't fire tungsten BBs.

Must be some type of sonic disrupter.



RF energy in the 2.4 and 5.8 Ghz bands


It was a joke->smiley

Who makes the M777?
The Bears
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:42:59 PM EST
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Yeah, handing over all our technology to the Chincoms pisses me off.

Israel has shown that they are no ally. Just like Germany and France.
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Every country does what their leaders say is best for them.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:45:41 PM EST
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" Prince Charles visited evacuated Ukrainians in Romania.

He arrived at a refugee center near Bucharest to support Ukrainians and see what help they receive, the BBC reports.

This is the first time such a high-ranking royal has visited the region since the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Bucharest is located just over 200 kilometers from the border with Ukraine).

Almost a million Ukrainians have found refuge in Romania."

(Old Horse Face not seen. Might have looked better had Charles actually been in the same frame with some refugees.)

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Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:46:13 PM EST
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Russian weaponry is very modernized and equivalent to US and NATO in almost all aspects.  They are better in some areas, worse in others.  They have some significant advantages is areas such as missiles, jamming, spoofing, and cyber warfare.  Half of their old trucks might not start, but they probably have 20k of them.  Their tanks and BMP's will be up to date and ready to roll.
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Wow, this post from page 7 has aged spectacularly.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:46:30 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dracster:
"Before retreating from the Brovary district, the occupiers threw out several boxes of shells to free up space for loading the loot

The adviser to the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Anton Gerashchenko told about it.

According to him, the orcs robbed the locals, taking away even home canning and kitchen utensils, but faced the problem of how to take it all out ...
And they came up with nothing better than to get rid of the ammunition of their armored vehicle and throw all the shells into the lake

"We are at war with mentally retarded orcs, who sincerely believe that the colander and pickled tomatoes are more important in battle than shells," joked an adviser to the Interior Minister."

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The russian military culture is to allow pillaging in return for military service. They use rape and pillaging as a perk, seriously.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:48:28 PM EST
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Obviously, I hate to be wrong, but I seriously doubt Belarus will take active participation in the form of actual combat troops.

Lukashenko is an idiot, but he knows he has a lot to lose. Belarus is still unstable after the 2020 election in the country, and he goes back and forth on some very wishy-washy statements towards supporting the invasion, then calling for and end of the conflict.

The Belarusian military has for the most part been integrated into the Russian command and control, but as far as equipment, numbers and training , they are even below Russian standards. They are also needed for internal security.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:54:00 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:54:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bikedamon:


That's bullshit revisionism.  Putin himself has told eastern european leaders to their face that he could have his troops in 6 different capitals in 2 days.  That's exactly what he tried to do, because he thought he actually could, and failed.

eta: To say nothing of the fact that installing puppet leaders is literally his MO.  The previous Ukr president was a Putin puppet.  He has others installed elsewhere right now.
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I suppose they filled you in on their military strategy then. So you're saying Ruskie General Staff planned to take Kiev with a comparative handful of troops. Right....

Oh, and the OSCE monitored and declared as impressive and fair the 2010 election in which Yanukovych was elected.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:55:30 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:


lmao

VDV and Spetznaz trainees huh hahahahhahaha

They sent so few because they were arrogant and stupid enough to think Ukraine would welcome them as liberators, and/or not put up much of a fight. Putin SAID he wanted Kiev. He personally said it. You bought into Russia's revisionist bullshit.
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That was my analysis, Moscow expected a welcome parade and walked into a bar fight.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:56:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bikedamon:


That's bullshit revisionism.  Putin himself has told eastern european leaders to their face that he could have his troops in 6 different capitals in 2 days.  That's exactly what he tried to do, because he thought he actually could, and failed.

eta: To say nothing of the fact that installing puppet leaders is literally his MO.  The previous Ukr president was a Putin puppet.  He has others installed elsewhere right now.
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:
Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:



It's also worth noting that Russia's initial goals were to take Kiev and install a puppet. That failed...miserably. They have already lost their main objective. Ukraine's objective is to maintain sovereignty. Even if they lose some territory, they have already won that objective.  

Victory in this case may not be black and white, but in the gray area- Ukraine has already won and Russia lost...even if they both sides don't get/lose every objective.


No. They sent trainees to Kiev to fix Uke troops in place. How does an army take a city of millions guarded by ~100K troops with 30-40K greenies? They don't, and even idiots wouldn't try. Plus, any peace deal would have to be signed by Zelensky. Installing a puppet to sign a deal would be viewed as wildly illegitimate by the entire planet.

Right now the Ruskies have pushed through the Uke's depth of defenses and have advanced ~15km. The Uke's have had serious defensive positions in the east for years, and it slowed the Ruskies down for a while. But they pounded them with arty relentlessly. It's not looking good.


That's bullshit revisionism.  Putin himself has told eastern european leaders to their face that he could have his troops in 6 different capitals in 2 days.  That's exactly what he tried to do, because he thought he actually could, and failed.

eta: To say nothing of the fact that installing puppet leaders is literally his MO.  The previous Ukr president was a Putin puppet.  He has others installed elsewhere right now.


Poroshenko is corrupt as hell, but I hadn’t heard about him being a traitor….I think you’re thinking of Yakunovich, who was two Presidents before Zelenskyy.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:56:35 PM EST
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The weaknesses of NATO/EU leaders sure as been exposed. Estonia is a good example of action and unity compared to the Germans.

The Germans send prayers, pending approval, while Estonia sends ammo, tanks and more.

Pathetic.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 3:57:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By iggy1337:
Russia raises it military age to 65 years old

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With Japan and South Korea leading the way with a median age of 50 I won’t be surprised if everyone raises their age limit by 2030. China will need all those 40 something virgins to fight all the ones in India.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 4:00:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 7empest:



Dude is like Keith Richards or the Energizer Bunny but unlike KR and the EB Henry Kissinger is a cunt... Also he is German so....
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Originally Posted By MMcfpd:
Henry Kissinger: Ukraine must give Russia territory



The "West" is hardly unified, but that was in a speech to our would-be overlords at Davos.



Dude is like Keith Richards or the Energizer Bunny but unlike KR and the EB Henry Kissinger is a cunt... Also he is German so....



No - that is not it at all.  

Dr. Kissinger consistently pushes his theory of “Real Politik” - or going after what is realistic, rather than idealistic.

But in this case, I disagree with his conclusion.  

We should press our western advantage against Russia NOW.  Grind them down to nothing.  Only when they are on the ropes (militarily and economically) do we negotiate:

- Russia gives us all its nukes in exchange for its survival.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 4:03:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:


I suppose they filled you in on their military strategy then. So you're saying Ruskie General Staff planned to take Kiev with a comparative handful of troops. Right....

Oh, and the OSCE monitored and declared as impressive and fair the 2010 election in which Yanukovych was elected.
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You know they used many top tier units in the northern push right?  Stop retarding the Q stuff.  It's embarrassing.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 4:05:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:


I suppose they filled you in on their military strategy then. So you're saying Ruskie General Staff planned to take Kiev with a comparative handful of troops. Right....

Oh, and the OSCE monitored and declared as impressive and fair the 2010 election in which Yanukovych was elected.
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Originally Posted By deputyrpa:
Originally Posted By bikedamon:


That's bullshit revisionism.  Putin himself has told eastern european leaders to their face that he could have his troops in 6 different capitals in 2 days.  That's exactly what he tried to do, because he thought he actually could, and failed.

eta: To say nothing of the fact that installing puppet leaders is literally his MO.  The previous Ukr president was a Putin puppet.  He has others installed elsewhere right now.


I suppose they filled you in on their military strategy then. So you're saying Ruskie General Staff planned to take Kiev with a comparative handful of troops. Right....

Oh, and the OSCE monitored and declared as impressive and fair the 2010 election in which Yanukovych was elected.


Your bulllshit couldn't be more transparent.  Yanukovych was a crooked piece of shit funded by the GRU.  There's a reason he lives in fucking Russia today.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 4:06:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Beltfed308:
The weaknesses of NATO/EU leaders sure as been exposed. Estonia is a good example of action and unity compared to the Germans.

The Germans send prayers, pending approval, while Estonia sends ammo, tanks and more.

Pathetic.
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That's because all of the REAL Germans died in WWII
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 4:07:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Tiberius:


Poroshenko is corrupt as hell, but I hadn’t heard about him being a traitor….I think you’re thinking of Yakunovich, who was two Presidents before Zelenskyy.
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Originally Posted By Tiberius:
Originally Posted By bikedamon:
Originally Posted By deputyrpa:
Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:



It's also worth noting that Russia's initial goals were to take Kiev and install a puppet. That failed...miserably. They have already lost their main objective. Ukraine's objective is to maintain sovereignty. Even if they lose some territory, they have already won that objective.  

Victory in this case may not be black and white, but in the gray area- Ukraine has already won and Russia lost...even if they both sides don't get/lose every objective.


No. They sent trainees to Kiev to fix Uke troops in place. How does an army take a city of millions guarded by ~100K troops with 30-40K greenies? They don't, and even idiots wouldn't try. Plus, any peace deal would have to be signed by Zelensky. Installing a puppet to sign a deal would be viewed as wildly illegitimate by the entire planet.

Right now the Ruskies have pushed through the Uke's depth of defenses and have advanced ~15km. The Uke's have had serious defensive positions in the east for years, and it slowed the Ruskies down for a while. But they pounded them with arty relentlessly. It's not looking good.


That's bullshit revisionism.  Putin himself has told eastern european leaders to their face that he could have his troops in 6 different capitals in 2 days.  That's exactly what he tried to do, because he thought he actually could, and failed.

eta: To say nothing of the fact that installing puppet leaders is literally his MO.  The previous Ukr president was a Putin puppet.  He has others installed elsewhere right now.


Poroshenko is corrupt as hell, but I hadn’t heard about him being a traitor….I think you’re thinking of Yakunovich, who was two Presidents before Zelenskyy.


Yes, thanks.  Our comrade in this thread knew exactly who I meant though.  
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 4:09:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:


lmao

VDV and Spetznaz trainees huh hahahahhahaha

They sent so few because they were arrogant and stupid enough to think Ukraine would welcome them as liberators, and/or not put up much of a fight. Putin SAID he wanted Kiev. He personally said it. You bought into Russia's revisionist bullshit.
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No he didn't say he wanted Kiev. EU President Barroso recanted that claim after Putin stated he would make their call public, and it was confirmed by Poroshenko's secretary that Putin never said it as well. The media has not found one public speech in which he stated it either.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 4:14:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dominion21:



No - that is not it at all.  

Dr. Kissinger consistently pushes his theory of “Real Politik” - or going after what is realistic, rather than idealistic.

But in this case, I disagree with his conclusion.  

We should press our western advantage against Russia NOW.  Grind them down to nothing.  Only when they are on the ropes (militarily and economically) do we negotiate:

- Russia gives us all its nukes in exchange for its survival.
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Yep. They are never going to stop attacking their neighbors.
Link Posted: 5/25/2022 4:15:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Beltfed308:
The weaknesses of NATO/EU leaders sure as been exposed. Estonia is a good example of action and unity compared to the Germans.

The Germans send prayers, pending approval, while Estonia sends ammo, tanks and more.

Pathetic.
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Not just the Germans but they’re the stand outs given their size and economy. France and Italy are hardly on par with what Poland has done amongst NATO members.
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