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Link Posted: 5/27/2022 8:26:23 PM EDT
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Ghost page.
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 8:27:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lorazepam:
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Yeah I noticed that - dont think I have seen that happen before
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 8:28:54 PM EDT
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May 27, 7:30pm ET

Russian forces began direct assaults on Severodonetsk on May 27 despite not yet having fully encircled the town. Russian forces have performed poorly in operations in built-up urban terrain throughout the war to date and are unlikely to be able to advance rapidly in Severodonetsk itself. Russian forces continue to make steady and incremental gains around the city but have not yet encircled the Ukrainian defenders. Ukrainian forces continue to maintain defenses across eastern Ukraine and have slowed most Russian lines of advance. Russian forces will likely continue to make incremental advances and may succeed in encircling Severodonetsk in the coming days, but Russian operations around Izyum remain stalled and Russian forces will likely be unable to increase the pace of their advances.

Key Takeaways

Russian forces began direct assaults on built-up areas of Severodonetsk without having fully encircled the city and will likely struggle to take ground in the city itself.
Russian forces in Lyman appear to be dividing their efforts—attacking both southwest to support stalled forces in Izyum and southeast to advance on Siversk; they will likely struggle to accomplish either objective in the coming days.
Russian forces in Popasna seek to advance north to support the encirclement of Severodonestk rather than advancing west toward Bakhmut.
Positions northeast of Kharkiv City remain largely static, with no major attacks by either Russian or Ukrainian forces.
Russian forces continue to fortify their defensive positions along the southern axis and advance efforts to integrate the Kherson region into Russian economic and political structures.
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Main effort—Eastern Ukraine (comprised of one subordinate and three supporting efforts);
Subordinate Main Effort—Encirclement of Ukrainian troops in the cauldron between Izyum and Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts
Supporting effort 1—Kharkiv City;
Supporting effort 2—Southern Axis;
Activities in Russian-occupied Areas
Main Effort—Eastern Ukraine

Subordinate Main Effort—Southern Kharkiv, Donetsk, Luhansk Oblasts (Russian objective: Encircle Ukrainian forces in Eastern Ukraine and capture the entirety of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, the claimed territory of Russia’s proxies in Donbas)

Russian forces began direct assaults on built-up areas of Severodonetsk on May 27 without having fully encircled the city and cut off the Ukrainian defenders. Geolocated videos confirmed that Chechen units seized a hotel located in the northern part of Severodonetsk on May 27. Severodonetsk Military-Civil Administration Head Oleksiy Stryuk reported that Ukrainian forces previously repelled Russian attacks on the hotel on May 26, but Russian forces captured the position sometime on May 27.[1] Luhansk Oblast Head Serhiy Haidai said that Russian forces also conducted offensive operations just southeast of Rubizhne toward Severodonetsk.[2] Russian forces also continued to push on Severodonetsk via Ustynka and Borisvske just 9km and 14km southeast of the city, respectively.[3] The Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) falsely claimed that Russian forces cut off all routes and surrounded Severodonetsk, trapping Ukrainian units in the Severodonetsk cauldron, though this is untrue and Russian forces have not yet fully encircled Ukrainian defenders.[4] Ukrainian sources differed on the extent of Russian advances, with Stryuk estimating that Russian forces have encircled approximately two-thirds of Severodonetsk’s perimeter and Haidai stating Russian forces have only reached the city’s outskirts.[5]
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Russian forces likely seek to advance toward Slovyansk from Lyman to the north due to stalled operations south of Izyum.[6] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian forces shelled two settlements approximately 30km and 35km southeast of Izyum and conducted limited attacks south from Lyman.[7] Russian forces have been unable to advance south from Izyum on the E40 highway due to Ukrainian resistance along the road and may now be changing their approach to attack toward Slovyansk from the northeast. The Ukrainian General Staff also noted that Russian forces in Kharkiv Oblast are training personnel to replenish infantry, tank, and artillery units, and deployed the 29th Separate Railway Brigade from Smolensk to Kharkiv Oblast, likely to generate new forces and restore logistics to attempt to resume stalled offensive operations southeast of Izyum.

Russian forces in Lyman are additionally attacking southeast toward Siversk as part of ongoing efforts to encircle Ukrainian defenders in the town.[9] Russian forces will likely attempt to seize the roads leading to Severodonetsk from the northwest to sever Ukrainian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) in Luhansk Oblast.[10] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian forces fired mortars and rocket-propelled grenades on settlements within a 20km range of northwestern Siversk and launched an airstrike on Siversk on May 27.[11] Russian forces in Lyman appear to be dividing their efforts—attacking both southwest to support stalled forces in Izyum and southeast to advance on Siversk; they will likely struggle to accomplish either objective in the coming days based on past Russian performance.

Russian forces attempted to seize access to two highways east and northeast of Popasna on May 27 in a continued effort to partially disrupt Ukrainian GLOCs to Severodonetsk. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian forces continued assaults against villages adjacent to the T1302 highway from Bakhmut to Lysychansk, just northeast of Popasna.[12] Russian forces also attacked east of Popasna to secure access to the T1303 highway to Lysychansk.[13] Russian forces are likely prioritizing the Lysychansk direction, rather than advancing toward Bakhmut, to support Russia’s main effort operations in Severodonetsk.
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Supporting Effort #1—Kharkiv City (Russian objective: Withdraw forces to the north and defend ground lines of communication (GLOCs) to Izyum)

Russian forces did not launch any ground assaults against Ukrainian defenders north of Kharkiv City on May 27. Russian forces continued systematic shelling of Ukrainian-liberated villages to preserve their defensive positions near the Ukrainian-Russian state border.[14] Ukraine’s Security Service reported that entire Russian units rioted and refused to conduct an offensive operation on Kharkiv City, though ISW cannot independently confirm this claim.[15]
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Supporting Effort #2—Southern Axis (Objective: Defend Kherson against Ukrainian counterattacks)

Russian forces continued to fortify their positions along the southern axis.[16] Ukrainian Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Representative Vadym Skibitsky reported that Russian forces are currently building a third line of defense in Kherson Oblast and are consolidating their control over railroads, airfields, and ports.[17] The Zaporizhia Oblast Military Administration also said that Russian forces transferred land, air, and sea military equipment from Crimea on May 26, including 24 "Grad” MLRS systems.[18] The Ukrainian Southern Operational Command reported that Russian forces also continued to deploy reservists from Crimea.[19] The UK Defense Ministry noted that Russian forces deployed 50-year-old T-62 tanks from storage to the southern axis.[20]

Russian forces launched an unsuccessful ground attack near the Kherson-Mykolaiv Oblast border and continued artillery and airstrikes throughout southern Ukraine, the first attack near Kherson for several weeks.[21] This attack is unlikely to be part of a wider offensive operation. Russian forces also launched a missile strike on the Motor Sich Plant in Zaporizhia City on May 26 but missed the target and damaged residential infrastructure nearby.[22]
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Activity in Russian-occupied Areas (Russian objective: consolidate administrative control of occupied areas; set conditions for potential annexation into the Russian Federation or some other future political arrangement of Moscow’s choosing)

Russian forces continued to set conditions for the long-term occupation of Ukraine’s southern regions. Ukrainian Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Representative Vadym Skibitsky reported that Russian occupation forces are likely preparing for referendums on the occupied territories in September or October.[23] Russian occupation authorities began transitioning Zaporizhia Oblast to the Russian time zone and introducing Russian license plates; they also promised to establish new subsidy and tax systems in the near future.[24] Russian occupation officials are additionally reportedly attempting to create an Internal Ministry subordinate to the Kherson Oblast Civil-Military Administration to support occupation administration and possibly support integration with Russia’s own Internal Ministry.[25] The Zaporizhia Oblast Military Administration reported that Russian authorities continued to hand out Russian passports to Melitopol residents, which will allow the Kremlin to mobilize and control the movements of inhabitants of the occupied territories and conscript them for military service. These efforts will also allow the Kremlin to claim it is protecting Russian citizens, as it did in the DNR and LNR prior to February 24.[26]

Russian occupation officials are struggling to subdue Ukrainian partisan activity in the south. The GUR intercepted a call with a Melitopol resident who noted a rise in unspecified partisan activity in Kyrylivka, a coastal town just south of Melitopol.[27] GUR representative Skibitsky also claimed that Russian forces began avoiding bridges and roads, likely to avoid Ukrainian partisan attacks.[28]

Immediate items to watch

Russian forces are likely reinforcing their grouping north of Kharkiv City to prevent further advances of the Ukrainian counteroffensive toward the Russian border. Russian forces may commit elements of the 1st Tank Army to northern Kharkiv in the near future.
Russian forces are unlikely to advance rapidly in direct assaults against Severodonetsk, but supporting operations to fully encircle the town will likely continue to secure incremental gains.
Occupation forces in Mariupol will continue to strengthen administrative control of the city but are likely unsure of what the ultimate annexation policy will be.
Russian forces are likely preparing for Ukrainian counteroffensives and settling in for protracted operations in southern Ukraine.
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Link Posted: 5/27/2022 8:29:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AzSteven:


Yeah I noticed that - dont think I have seen that happen before
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Originally Posted By lorazepam:
Ghost page.


Yeah I noticed that - dont think I have seen that happen before


It's been happening for a while and will continue to do so.

When staff totally deletes a post out of a thread the change in number of posts doesn't update fully so it 'turns the page' prematurely from that point onward for that thread
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 8:35:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:

The US nor the West has been at a disadvantage against Russian Air Force tech. They've invested more time and resources in Anti-Aircraft systems than us. All those years they knew their own Air Force couldn't match our tech and training. So obviously that's why they went heavy into AA for all those decades.

Also if there is anything this conflict has taught us, is the Russians lie all the time about what their equis capable of. Though I'd argue many of us were calling by on Russian gear claims well before this conflict.

At least we agree on the 29 vs 35 thing.
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No, definitely not at an overall disadvantage, but their air to air missiles are one of the few things they did well.
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 8:38:01 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/27/2022 8:45:01 PM EDT
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When you get so bored schwacking Russians you start to think up new ways to do it lol.
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 8:51:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AzSteven:


Yeah I noticed that - dont think I have seen that happen before
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Originally Posted By lorazepam:
Ghost page.


Yeah I noticed that - dont think I have seen that happen before

Maybe 87 times 10 for this thread and yet it is commented on most every page
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 9:07:02 PM EDT
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The worse part is China will take some lessons learned for Taiwan from all this.
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With any luck, Taiwan will learn some lessons for their own defense.
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 9:15:04 PM EDT
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Did M35 Ben get the ban from this thread or perma? Been busy here,Thanks

Edit:Apologies and sorry for the side track. Nice work on the info guys. Thank you
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 9:19:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Banditman:



Does this look real?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-fKUaFSgP0
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Originally Posted By Glock63:
Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:

I think it's possible with updated sensor package from the west and western A2A missiles. The computers and sensor suites are so good that average fighters can eat a "superior" fighter's lunch. Just because it looks better performance wise on paper doesn't mean it's got the best of the other stuff.

The mig 29 has been equipped with off boresight helmet cued missiles since the mid 80s, a capability we didn't integrate until the early 2000s with th aim9x.  Western missiles aren't superior by any stretch, and there's nothing outlandish about a 29 taking out a 35.



Does this look real?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-fKUaFSgP0



That's a video game, you can see the pixels. I have played ARMA.
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 9:27:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By solid:
Did M35 Ben get the ban from this thread or perma? Been busy here,Thanks

Edit:Apologies and sorry for the side track. Nice work on the info guys. Thank you
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Perma
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 9:30:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By solid:
Did M35 Ben get the ban from this thread or perma? Been busy here,Thanks

Edit:Apologies and sorry for the side track. Nice work on the info guys. Thank you


Perma


Thanks

I sometimes hate it here. Fuck is a word that comes to mind.
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 9:32:40 PM EDT
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Did M35 Ben get the ban from this thread or perma? Been busy here,Thanks

Edit:Apologies and sorry for the side track. Nice work on the info guys. Thank you


Perma



WHAT! For fucksake...this place
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 9:35:19 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/27/2022 9:50:23 PM EDT
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This isn't war related but I spewed Mountain Dew across my key board laughing.

And yes, I'm going to hell for laughing.



Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 9:52:29 PM EDT
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I think that may be a European term, derive from an older German slang for penis.    

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Usually for "nose."  Think back to Jimmy Durante. He often referred to his nose as the schnozzola (Italianization of the American Yiddish slang word schnoz, meaning "big nose"), and the word became his nickname.
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 10:03:45 PM EDT
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RE: dropping bridges with mines

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Nah, just recycling old ones.

Done many times with fire ships and other mines back centuries. Most spectacular failure was against the Than Hoa bridge during Rolling Thunder, with a C-130. They lost one Herc and failed; eventually dropped it with smart bombs from Paveway Phantoms in ‘72 during Linebacker.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/america-built-massive-floating-bombs-to-blast-a-vietnamese-bridge-5b7dd4ff4fcf
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 10:15:25 PM EDT
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Nah, just recycling old ones.

Done many times with fire ships and other mines back centuries. Most spectacular failure was against the Than Hoa bridge during Rolling Thunder, with a C-130. They lost one Herc and failed; eventually dropped it with smart bombs from Paveway Phantoms in ‘72 during Linebacker.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/america-built-massive-floating-bombs-to-blast-a-vietnamese-bridge-5b7dd4ff4fcf
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RE: dropping bridges with mines

Originally Posted By mbinky:


When you get so bored schwacking Russians you start to think up new ways to do it lol.



Nah, just recycling old ones.

Done many times with fire ships and other mines back centuries. Most spectacular failure was against the Than Hoa bridge during Rolling Thunder, with a C-130. They lost one Herc and failed; eventually dropped it with smart bombs from Paveway Phantoms in ‘72 during Linebacker.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/america-built-massive-floating-bombs-to-blast-a-vietnamese-bridge-5b7dd4ff4fcf



I wish they would do that to the Crimea bridge with Putin's yacht.
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 10:20:52 PM EDT
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What do they say about picking a fight with an old man?  Or an old man with an old machine gun??
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If the survival of my homeland and people were at stake, and I was given charge of a Maxim and pile of ammo…  I would be one creative and dangerous man.
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 10:31:05 PM EDT
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That's a video game, you can see the pixels. I have played ARMA.
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Originally Posted By Banditman:
Originally Posted By Glock63:
Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:

I think it's possible with updated sensor package from the west and western A2A missiles. The computers and sensor suites are so good that average fighters can eat a "superior" fighter's lunch. Just because it looks better performance wise on paper doesn't mean it's got the best of the other stuff.

The mig 29 has been equipped with off boresight helmet cued missiles since the mid 80s, a capability we didn't integrate until the early 2000s with th aim9x.  Western missiles aren't superior by any stretch, and there's nothing outlandish about a 29 taking out a 35.



Does this look real?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-fKUaFSgP0



That's a video game, you can see the pixels. I have played ARMA.


It actually says Arma in the title of that video lol
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 10:35:53 PM EDT
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I wish they would do that to the Crimea bridge with Putin's yacht.
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I would LOVE to be part of the team strategizing how to drop that bridge, and how to challenge the Black Sea Fleet asymmetrically.  I'd rather be doing that than win the lottery, I think.
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 10:39:42 PM EDT
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"tank breakthrough near the village of Davydov Brod"

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Originally Posted By Jack67:


I would LOVE to be part of the team strategizing how to drop that bridge, and how to challenge the Black Sea Fleet asymmetrically.  I'd rather be doing that than win the lottery, I think.
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Speaking of the fleet. What happened to all of those drones we sent Ukraine?
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 10:47:12 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/27/2022 11:19:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Featureless:


What do they say about picking a fight with an old man?  Or an old man with an old machine gun??
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Are those cossack hair styles?
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 11:21:59 PM EDT
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You can tell these trench lines are years old. All of the wood is bleached out, and the Hesco fabric has rotted away, and your next clue would be the big fucking bunkers with armored doors.

Unfortunate for the Ukrainians who had to man the line, but just goes to show how meager are the recent Russian gains.
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 11:24:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dracster:
(Patron being a camera whore)

"Two-year-old dog Patron is a mascot of the Chernihiv detachment of sappers  

Together with them, the sapper dog takes part in demining the territory of Chernihiv region after the departure of the occupiers."

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-27_11-40-24_jpg-2399087.JPG

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-05-27_11-40-25_jpg-2399088.JPG

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This was the same dog that barked a PM Sparkle Socks I think:)
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 11:35:32 PM EDT
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What's the defense against this other than to not be there?
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I wonder if Switchblade 300 could be used in proximity detonation mode…
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 11:42:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Ukrainian 45th Artillery hitting Russian equipment in Hulyaipil's'Kyi in Zaporizhia district, good drone footage.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uz545s/footage_of_the_ukrainian_45th_artillery_brigade/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb

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That was fucking awesome as shit.
Link Posted: 5/27/2022 11:50:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Ukrainian 45th Artillery hitting Russian equipment in Hulyaipil's'Kyi in Zaporizhia district, good drone footage.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uz545s/footage_of_the_ukrainian_45th_artillery_brigade/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb

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It looks like it was a very nice and productive farm before Russia invaded.
Link Posted: 5/28/2022 12:00:56 AM EDT
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Russia used T-62s in the 2008 war with Georgia. I'm sure they have plenty of people they can use to put crews into them or at least train younger people to use them. They've only retired them for about a decade at this point.
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Part of the reason they are using T62s is due to its 115mm gun which is more suited for bunker busting and infantry support then the 125mm due to ammo choice.

Otherwise the T62 is an obsolete death trap.  Any decent modern IFV would be able to take it out.
Link Posted: 5/28/2022 12:04:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By stone-age:


It looks like it was a very nice and productive farm before Russia invaded.
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If people would stop fucking with them, it would be like the upper midwest. Farming and manufacturing. Ukraine and Poland could be the driving force of europe.
Link Posted: 5/28/2022 12:05:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By stone-age:


It looks like it was a very nice and productive farm before Russia invaded.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Ukrainian 45th Artillery hitting Russian equipment in Hulyaipil's'Kyi in Zaporizhia district, good drone footage.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/uz545s/footage_of_the_ukrainian_45th_artillery_brigade/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb

Twitter link of above.



It looks like it was a very nice and productive farm before Russia invaded.

It make me sad. Looks like a nice place to live. Like where my parents grew up, and grandparents, on farms in ND.
Link Posted: 5/28/2022 12:25:22 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dominion21:





Russian strategy seems to be:  toss every man into the meat grinder and hope we do not lose.
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It's crazy that the russian noble class use the communist tactic of telling the the lower class people that everybody has a moral obligation to fight oppressive people in support of oppressed people. Russian nobility oppresses the russian people while telling them this and the russian people seem to totally buy into it. Russian people are totally fine with screwing over other groups of people so long as it is their own oppressor who wins. There is something wrong with humans.

Link Posted: 5/28/2022 12:28:07 AM EDT
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I have been hoping that they can actually cut off behind one of the Orc's advances and encircle them instead.
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Yeah, you're not the only one.
Link Posted: 5/28/2022 12:32:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kagetora:

It make me sad. Looks like a nice place to live. Like where my parents grew up, and grandparents, on farms in ND.
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Kansas for me. It's pretty heartbreaking.
Link Posted: 5/28/2022 12:57:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Wolfy42:

Part of the reason they are using T62s is due to its 115mm gun which is more suited for bunker busting and infantry support then the 125mm due to ammo choice.

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HESH?
Link Posted: 5/28/2022 1:24:36 AM EDT
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I wish they would do that to the Crimea bridge with Putin's yacht.
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Originally Posted By Jack67:
RE: dropping bridges with mines

Originally Posted By mbinky:


When you get so bored schwacking Russians you start to think up new ways to do it lol.



Nah, just recycling old ones.

Done many times with fire ships and other mines back centuries. Most spectacular failure was against the Than Hoa bridge during Rolling Thunder, with a C-130. They lost one Herc and failed; eventually dropped it with smart bombs from Paveway Phantoms in '72 during Linebacker.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/america-built-massive-floating-bombs-to-blast-a-vietnamese-bridge-5b7dd4ff4fcf



I wish they would do that to the Crimea bridge with Putin's yacht.


I was actually thinking that exact thing a while back. No one is going to want to be the one to sink Vlad's yacht as it sails into the Azov. That could be just the hesitation needed to get in place. And make for a historic fuck you.


Link Posted: 5/28/2022 1:41:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:

Speaking of the fleet. What happened to all of those drones we sent Ukraine?
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“CW” is that the drones were just surveillance and small coastal defense boats, 30’ to 40’ things.  These are relatively mature systems that have been developed. But no real OSINT on what has actually been sent, or if.  The navy has a lot of different USV and UUV projects at various stages.

In fact, they just shut down a large UUV project - only one prototype built I think.  The point is, lots of things possible, and nothing really known yet.  

In other naval news:

IRAN JUST GOT SOME SKIN IN THE GAME.

A little while ago Greece stopped a Russian tanker under the sanctions. It turned out, it was smuggling contraband Iranian oil.  I can just hear Hannibal Smith saying, “I love it when a plan comes toghether!” ;). And in retaliation, today the Islamofascists of Iran hijacked two Greek tankers in international waters in the Persian Gulf.

https://gcaptain.com/iran-seizes-two-greek-tankers-after-u-s-confiscates-oil-cargo/
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Originally Posted By stone-age:


Kansas for me. It's pretty heartbreaking.
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Originally Posted By Kagetora:

It make me sad. Looks like a nice place to live. Like where my parents grew up, and grandparents, on farms in ND.


Kansas for me. It's pretty heartbreaking.


Yep, looks like everywhere around here in KS. Really weired watching it.
Link Posted: 5/28/2022 3:03:50 AM EDT
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Does this look real?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-fKUaFSgP0
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Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:

I think it's possible with updated sensor package from the west and western A2A missiles. The computers and sensor suites are so good that average fighters can eat a "superior" fighter's lunch. Just because it looks better performance wise on paper doesn't mean it's got the best of the other stuff.

The mig 29 has been equipped with off boresight helmet cued missiles since the mid 80s, a capability we didn't integrate until the early 2000s with th aim9x.  Western missiles aren't superior by any stretch, and there's nothing outlandish about a 29 taking out a 35.



Does this look real?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-fKUaFSgP0



Looks fake as shit. Not even flares agains MANPADS?
Link Posted: 5/28/2022 3:53:30 AM EDT
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12 gauge with some kind of steel load. Or maybe copper coated lead. Practicing to lead them would be pretty expensive.
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Not really. Many of even the loitering munitions, which are not optimized for speed and and penetration and have endurance steady state speeds of roughly 30-75 mph, still have dash speeds of anywhere from 100mph to well over 200mph.

Do the math.  If we're really generous and give the effective range of steel shot as 75m, even the lowest dash speed of 100mph crosses that distance in well under two seconds.  Two seconds to track and effectively manually engage is pretty much fantasy against oncoming drones. And using actual average numbers cuts that in more than half.

Our current radar- and computer-guided 20mm LPWS uses either 50 or 75 rounds per second (depending on what the target is), in bursts of several seconds, to score a few hits on most incoming drones.  I won't share actual engagement details here for obvious reasons- but the general comparison should tell you how useless a shotgun is against all but the lamest drones.
Link Posted: 5/28/2022 4:29:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Abakan:



Looks fake as shit. Not even flares agains MANPADS?
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Originally Posted By Banditman:
Originally Posted By Glock63:
Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:

I think it's possible with updated sensor package from the west and western A2A missiles. The computers and sensor suites are so good that average fighters can eat a "superior" fighter's lunch. Just because it looks better performance wise on paper doesn't mean it's got the best of the other stuff.

The mig 29 has been equipped with off boresight helmet cued missiles since the mid 80s, a capability we didn't integrate until the early 2000s with th aim9x.  Western missiles aren't superior by any stretch, and there's nothing outlandish about a 29 taking out a 35.



Does this look real?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-fKUaFSgP0



Looks fake as shit. Not even flares agains MANPADS?



because it is fake, its from the video game ARMA, it literally says ARMA3:MILSIM  that in the title of the video
Link Posted: 5/28/2022 6:23:07 AM EDT
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Yeah I noticed that - dont think I have seen that happen before
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Happened to me a few days ago.
Link Posted: 5/28/2022 6:39:51 AM EDT
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That is one badass History teacher.
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A good percentage of GD thinks she should be making sammatches.
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