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Posted: 6/16/2022 1:20:38 AM EDT
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wonder how many would donate today as they did back in WW2?
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Posted: 6/16/2022 1:39:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: For those without Twitter / wanting an easier way to read another dank Kamil thread: Analysis of sanctions and Russias economy https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1537122850745815040.html Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By Jack67: Excellent thread by Kamil Galeev about: a) Why the collapse of imports from sanctions makes the Ruble rise (hint: it's not a good sign that the Ruble is stronger) b) How Germany and France make beaucoup $$ building Russia's war machine and why they don't want it over/back to business as usual. c) How sanctions are crippling wide sectors of the economy: example of SKF and Timken bearing joint ventures shutting down.
Long thread, but here's a teaser. Why France is a surrender monkey: they are filling much of the demand for war supplies since 1st round of sanctions in 2014. Here's the arms-related export licenses from France to Russia, spiking hard in 2015: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/french_supply_jpg-2419574.JPG For those without Twitter / wanting an easier way to read another dank Kamil thread: Analysis of sanctions and Russias economy https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1537122850745815040.html that was a really good analysis, thanks for sharing |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:36:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: that was a really good analysis, thanks for sharing It’s worth opening a twitter account just to follow that guy wrt Russia social/political analysis. And from Ukrinform, two T-90s burning bright. No strike footage, but the cook-offs and brew-ups are quite impressive.  ????????? ?????????? ??????? ??? ???????? ?????????? ????? |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:36:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: My thoughts when the war first started are showing legitimacy: Why didnt NATO design and employ Russkie missiles on NATO planes? Granted its showing with the artillery round issue Ukraine has but still. Do any NATO countries from the former com bloc have the plans and tooling to produce 152mm rounds? Bulgaria, Poland, Czech Republic, and I think Romania still make 152 and 122mm rounds |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:39:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2A373: For a good reason. They crashed 292 out of the 916 F-104s they had with 115 pilots killed. They used an interceptor as a CAS/strike plane. What did they expect? |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 5:51:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Gunslinger808]
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Did the Russians just crash one of their C&C Ilyushin 82s?
Was watching this one as it’s strange to see a Russian plane, much less an 82 which is designated as one of their Command planes. This thing was see sawing up and down from the start, then went into quite the steep decent rate, last showed it at 800 feet which is the barometric ground level. Unless ADS is really of, which it could be, looks like they plowed in…  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached FileHey, it’s a boring night, I know some got upset about ADS screen caps as it was “cluttering the thread”, sorry to offend. And of course I posted the pics in reverse order, read from bottom to top. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 6:14:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: iggy1337]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunslinger808: Did the Russians just crash one of their C&C Ilyushin 82s? Was watching this one as it’s strange to see a Russian plane, much less an 82 which is designated as one of their Command planes. This thing was see sawing up and down from the start, then went into quite the steep decent rate, last showed it at 800 feet which is the barometric ground level. Unless ADS is really of, which it could be, looks like they plowed in… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19372/3DBE3C2F-019E-4930-8745-CC7280A579E2_png-2419825.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19372/683A87B4-417B-4B40-A82C-0D480363A9BA_png-2419826.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19372/5303E4D4-4288-4C00-94FB-B38E97AB89DF_jpe-2419827.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19372/88D44F3B-C2E4-44E6-833B-9834BF78C442_png-2419828.JPG Hey, it’s a boring night, I know some got upset about ADS screen caps as it was “cluttering the thread”, sorry to offend. And of course I posted the pics in reverse order, read from bottom to top. Interdasting. Do the Russian spoof that data? I of course hope fingers cossed that Putin was on it but otherwise i yield the floor to NSA Adviser Pelt: 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2022 6:30:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: How does Eger differ from Aszu? Eger and Tokaj are both towns in Hungary. Tokaj is much smaller and is pretty much just a small mountain surrounded by wineries. They are both touristy, beautiful, and make lots of wine. I was referring to the wine-tasting town experience rather than the specific wine being better. In both places the various wineries have "shops" usually old wine sellers dug into the hillside where you sample and whatever you like you can buy by the bottle or more common in much larger jugs like 2 liter plastic bottles. Unlike in Napa, where the various wineries are far apart and require a good drive, in Takaj and Eger many are close and easy walking distance. I'm NOT a wine expert. Aszu is a sweeter wine, at least what I have sampled. It comes in various grades. Aszu is more "famous" since you will find it at the airport duty-free and lots of tourist shops. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 6:35:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunslinger808: Did the Russians just crash one of their C&C Ilyushin 82s? Was watching this one as it’s strange to see a Russian plane, much less an 82 which is designated as one of their Command planes. This thing was see sawing up and down from the start, then went into quite the steep decent rate, last showed it at 800 feet which is the barometric ground level. Unless ADS is really of, which it could be, looks like they plowed in… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19372/3DBE3C2F-019E-4930-8745-CC7280A579E2_png-2419825.JPG mediaFiles/19372/683A87B4-417B-4B40-A82C-0D480363A9BA_png-2419826.JPG[/url] https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19372/5303E4D4-4288-4C00-94FB-B38E97AB89DF_jpe-2419827.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19372/88D44F3B-C2E4-44E6-833B-9834BF78C442_png-2419828.JPG Hey, it’s a boring night, I know some got upset about ADS screen caps as it was “cluttering the thread”, sorry to offend. And of course I posted the pics in reverse order, read from bottom to top. Fuck the haters. I would much rather see actual information than read stupid opinions. ETA- Not directed at the wine discussion 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2022 6:38:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVSwC6fWQAA2fVc?format=jpg&name=medium I assume this is a much larger, tripod mounted PRG type system. Recoilless-rife and rocket combo like the PRG-7... |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 8:30:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunslinger808: Did the Russians just crash one of their C&C Ilyushin 82s? Was watching this one as it’s strange to see a Russian plane, much less an 82 which is designated as one of their Command planes. This thing was see sawing up and down from the start, then went into quite the steep decent rate, last showed it at 800 feet which is the barometric ground level. Unless ADS is really of, which it could be, looks like they plowed in… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19372/3DBE3C2F-019E-4930-8745-CC7280A579E2_png-2419825.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19372/683A87B4-417B-4B40-A82C-0D480363A9BA_png-2419826.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19372/5303E4D4-4288-4C00-94FB-B38E97AB89DF_jpe-2419827.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19372/88D44F3B-C2E4-44E6-833B-9834BF78C442_png-2419828.JPG Hey, it’s a boring night, I know some got upset about ADS screen caps as it was “cluttering the thread”, sorry to offend. And of course I posted the pics in reverse order, read from bottom to top. I enjoy any information that might help build up a picture of what is going on over there so I don't mind anyone posting info they think might be something interesting or important. 
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Posted: 6/16/2022 8:33:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Here's something new, a Ukrainian R-18 drone watching another R-18 drone drop munitions on Russian vehicles.
As for music choice, I would have used the 1812 overture. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vdhryf/ukrainian_r18_drones_dropping_munitions_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 8:38:51 AM EDT
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Zhytomar paratroopers taking out BMP-2s with Stugna-p atgm.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vdfhs6/zhytomyr_paratroopers_destroyed_two_russian_bmp2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 8:51:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Excellent thread by Kamil Galeev about: a) Why the collapse of imports from sanctions makes the Ruble rise (hint: it's not a good sign that the Ruble is stronger) b) How Germany and France make beaucoup $$ building Russia's war machine and why they don't want it over/back to business as usual. c) How sanctions are crippling wide sectors of the economy: example of SKF and Timken bearing joint ventures shutting down.
Long thread, but here's a teaser. Why France is a surrender monkey: they are filling much of the demand for war supplies since 1st round of sanctions in 2014. Here's the arms-related export licenses from France to Russia, spiking hard in 2015: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/french_supply_jpg-2419574.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Excellent thread by Kamil Galeev about: a) Why the collapse of imports from sanctions makes the Ruble rise (hint: it's not a good sign that the Ruble is stronger) b) How Germany and France make beaucoup $$ building Russia's war machine and why they don't want it over/back to business as usual. c) How sanctions are crippling wide sectors of the economy: example of SKF and Timken bearing joint ventures shutting down.
Long thread, but here's a teaser. Why France is a surrender monkey: they are filling much of the demand for war supplies since 1st round of sanctions in 2014. Here's the arms-related export licenses from France to Russia, spiking hard in 2015: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/french_supply_jpg-2419574.JPG That is a FANTASTIC Tweet with lots of information. Make sure to read some of the linked sources - this one in particular is super fascinating: https://www.bruegel.org/2022/03/the-decoupling-of-russia-high-tech-goods-and-components/ In some high-tech goods industries, the effect of sanctions is already being felt. In the long term, sanctions will also severely affect Russia's growth outlook and ensure that waging war means Russia will cease to be a modern economy. Highly skilled Russians are already leaving, reinforcing the effect of the sanctions. Aircraft need regular maintenance, but providing these services (which Aeroflot has contracted to Lufthansa Technik) is now prohibited and parts can no longer be shipped to Russia. Roughly two thirds of Russia's fleet of civilian aircraft are from Boeing and Airbus and will consequently soon be grounded. Finding alternatives to Western aviation technology will be an impossible task in the near and medium term. Never have sanctions of this scale been enforced on a major economy. The tough financial and trade sanctions have led to an exodus of foreign technology companies and have cut Russia off from global supply chains of high-tech goods. In aviation and digital services, an immediate impact will be felt due to lack of access to crucial parts and services. More generally, the cut-off from global supply chains stifles Russia's economic future. There are already signs of a brain drain, reinforcing already unfavourable demographics. Given a global shortage of talent in high-tech industries, migration will make it harder to keep Russia's high-tech industries alive. The EU should make use of this and provide opportunities to Russian citizens looking for a future elsewhere. Even where alternatives to sanctioned technologies from NATO-aligned countries exist, replacing them will come with significant switching costs and cannot be accomplished overnight. China might provide some alternative technologies, but this will come at a high price and will push Russia into dependency. There is already evidence of reluctance of the Chinese private sector to fill the gap left by Western technology providers. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2022 8:57:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Fuck the haters. I would much rather see actual information than read stupid opinions. ETA- Not directed at the wine discussion My wine discussion has no business in this threat anyway.  |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 9:14:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I assume this is a much larger, tripod mounted PRG type system. Recoilless-rife and rocket combo like the PRG-7... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVSwC6fWQAA2fVc?format=jpg&name=medium I assume this is a much larger, tripod mounted PRG type system. Recoilless-rife and rocket combo like the PRG-7... It's basically the same as the low pressure gun used in the BMP/BMD-1. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 9:35:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: wonder how many would donate today as they did back in WW2? http://www.armoryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/send-gun-to-british-home.jpg Absolutely not. The US and UK govts burned that bridge as thoroughly as a bridge can be burnt. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 10:05:34 AM EDT
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Biden being biden.
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Posted: 6/16/2022 10:09:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/16/2022 10:13:26 AM EDT
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Dutch stopped a RU spy from “interning” at the ICC.
Video of truckloads of grain heading for Crimea.
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Posted: 6/16/2022 10:20:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: There are already signs of a brain drain, reinforcing already unfavourable demographics. Given a global shortage of talent in high-tech industries, migration will make it harder to keep Russia's high-tech industries alive. The EU should make use of this and provide opportunities to Russian citizens looking for a future elsewhere. Yes, welcome these spies with open arms. Give them access to ALL the tech that was cut off by the sanctions. What could possibly go wrong. 
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Posted: 6/16/2022 10:21:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: Agreed. US advisors to ensure they don't end up in Russia but nailing Kilos in Sevastopol should be fair as well as the Kerch bridge With Ukraine not having advanced ASW capabilities, sounds like a great way to eliminate mobile launch platforms. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 10:24:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eat_Beef: Yes, welcome these spies with open arms. Give them access to ALL the tech that was cut off by the sanctions. What could possibly go wrong. With about 6 million Russians in Germany, that horse left the barn long ago. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 10:28:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Dutch stopped a RU spy from “interning” at the ICC.
Video of truckloads of grain heading for Crimea.
Wow @Prime was just about to post that. Spy Sergej Vladimirovitsj Tsjerkasov was posing as a Brazillian. Was a long project for Russia to hide the guy's real identity. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 10:37:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Wow @Prime was just about to post that. Spy Sergej Vladimirovitsj Tsjerkasov was posing as a Brazillian. Was a long project for Russia to hide the guy's real identity. Nice detail Another juicy tidbit today- Melitopol mayor says farmers were getting their crops stolen gave a bunch of poisoned cherries to Russian soldiers. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 10:49:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Nice detail Another juicy tidbit today- Melitopol mayor says farmers were getting their crops stolen gave a bunch of poisoned cherries to Russian soldiers. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By iggy1337: Wow @Prime was just about to post that. Spy Sergej Vladimirovitsj Tsjerkasov was posing as a Brazillian. Was a long project for Russia to hide the guy's real identity. Nice detail Another juicy tidbit today- Melitopol mayor says farmers were getting their crops stolen gave a bunch of poisoned cherries to Russian soldiers. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 11:00:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
Wow! |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 11:05:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: That is a FANTASTIC Tweet with lots of information. Make sure to read some of the linked sources - this one in particular is super fascinating: https://www.bruegel.org/2022/03/the-decoupling-of-russia-high-tech-goods-and-components/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By Jack67: Excellent thread by Kamil Galeev about: a) Why the collapse of imports from sanctions makes the Ruble rise (hint: it's not a good sign that the Ruble is stronger) b) How Germany and France make beaucoup $$ building Russia's war machine and why they don't want it over/back to business as usual. c) How sanctions are crippling wide sectors of the economy: example of SKF and Timken bearing joint ventures shutting down.
Long thread, but here's a teaser. Why France is a surrender monkey: they are filling much of the demand for war supplies since 1st round of sanctions in 2014. Here's the arms-related export licenses from France to Russia, spiking hard in 2015: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/french_supply_jpg-2419574.JPG That is a FANTASTIC Tweet with lots of information. Make sure to read some of the linked sources - this one in particular is super fascinating: https://www.bruegel.org/2022/03/the-decoupling-of-russia-high-tech-goods-and-components/ In some high-tech goods industries, the effect of sanctions is already being felt. In the long term, sanctions will also severely affect Russia's growth outlook and ensure that waging war means Russia will cease to be a modern economy. Highly skilled Russians are already leaving, reinforcing the effect of the sanctions. Aircraft need regular maintenance, but providing these services (which Aeroflot has contracted to Lufthansa Technik) is now prohibited and parts can no longer be shipped to Russia. Roughly two thirds of Russia's fleet of civilian aircraft are from Boeing and Airbus and will consequently soon be grounded. Finding alternatives to Western aviation technology will be an impossible task in the near and medium term. Never have sanctions of this scale been enforced on a major economy. The tough financial and trade sanctions have led to an exodus of foreign technology companies and have cut Russia off from global supply chains of high-tech goods. In aviation and digital services, an immediate impact will be felt due to lack of access to crucial parts and services. More generally, the cut-off from global supply chains stifles Russia's economic future. There are already signs of a brain drain, reinforcing already unfavourable demographics. Given a global shortage of talent in high-tech industries, migration will make it harder to keep Russia's high-tech industries alive. The EU should make use of this and provide opportunities to Russian citizens looking for a future elsewhere. Even where alternatives to sanctioned technologies from NATO-aligned countries exist, replacing them will come with significant switching costs and cannot be accomplished overnight. China might provide some alternative technologies, but this will come at a high price and will push Russia into dependency. There is already evidence of reluctance of the Chinese private sector to fill the gap left by Western technology providers. The response from pretty much all of russia will be something like "Then we will fly on planes that don't have any maintenance because we are tough. We will survive in spite of the fact that the world has ganged up on us because they hate us for attacking nazis. Russia strong." I am NOT joking. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 11:07:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: The response from pretty much all of russia will be something like "Then we will fly on planes that don't have any maintenance because we are tough. We will survive in spite of the fact that the world has ganged up on us because they hate us for attacking nazis. Russia strong." I am NOT joking. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By Jack67: Excellent thread by Kamil Galeev about: a) Why the collapse of imports from sanctions makes the Ruble rise (hint: it's not a good sign that the Ruble is stronger) b) How Germany and France make beaucoup $$ building Russia's war machine and why they don't want it over/back to business as usual. c) How sanctions are crippling wide sectors of the economy: example of SKF and Timken bearing joint ventures shutting down.
Long thread, but here's a teaser. Why France is a surrender monkey: they are filling much of the demand for war supplies since 1st round of sanctions in 2014. Here's the arms-related export licenses from France to Russia, spiking hard in 2015: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/french_supply_jpg-2419574.JPG That is a FANTASTIC Tweet with lots of information. Make sure to read some of the linked sources - this one in particular is super fascinating: https://www.bruegel.org/2022/03/the-decoupling-of-russia-high-tech-goods-and-components/ In some high-tech goods industries, the effect of sanctions is already being felt. In the long term, sanctions will also severely affect Russia's growth outlook and ensure that waging war means Russia will cease to be a modern economy. Highly skilled Russians are already leaving, reinforcing the effect of the sanctions. Aircraft need regular maintenance, but providing these services (which Aeroflot has contracted to Lufthansa Technik) is now prohibited and parts can no longer be shipped to Russia. Roughly two thirds of Russia's fleet of civilian aircraft are from Boeing and Airbus and will consequently soon be grounded. Finding alternatives to Western aviation technology will be an impossible task in the near and medium term. Never have sanctions of this scale been enforced on a major economy. The tough financial and trade sanctions have led to an exodus of foreign technology companies and have cut Russia off from global supply chains of high-tech goods. In aviation and digital services, an immediate impact will be felt due to lack of access to crucial parts and services. More generally, the cut-off from global supply chains stifles Russia's economic future. There are already signs of a brain drain, reinforcing already unfavourable demographics. Given a global shortage of talent in high-tech industries, migration will make it harder to keep Russia's high-tech industries alive. The EU should make use of this and provide opportunities to Russian citizens looking for a future elsewhere. Even where alternatives to sanctioned technologies from NATO-aligned countries exist, replacing them will come with significant switching costs and cannot be accomplished overnight. China might provide some alternative technologies, but this will come at a high price and will push Russia into dependency. There is already evidence of reluctance of the Chinese private sector to fill the gap left by Western technology providers. The response from pretty much all of russia will be something like "Then we will fly on planes that don't have any maintenance because we are tough. We will survive in spite of the fact that the world has ganged up on us because they hate us for attacking nazis. Russia strong." I am NOT joking. Yep, never underestimate a Russians ability to ignore reality to prove a point of how stupid they are. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 11:08:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Wow! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Prime:
Wow! Pretty spectacular auger into the dirt. Do you think they made it? |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 11:11:00 AM EDT
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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2022 11:11:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Nice detail Another juicy tidbit today- Melitopol mayor says farmers were getting their crops stolen gave a bunch of poisoned cherries to Russian soldiers. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By iggy1337: Wow @Prime was just about to post that. Spy Sergej Vladimirovitsj Tsjerkasov was posing as a Brazillian. Was a long project for Russia to hide the guy's real identity. Nice detail Another juicy tidbit today- Melitopol mayor says farmers were getting their crops stolen gave a bunch of poisoned cherries to Russian soldiers. This could turn into a real shit show if poisoned crops are brought to market. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 11:15:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Pretty spectacular auger into the dirt. Do you think they made it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Prime:
Wow! Pretty spectacular auger into the dirt. Do you think they made it? If you mean a smoking hole in the ground, then yes they made it.  |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 11:49:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/16/2022 11:49:43 AM EDT
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MI, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2022 11:53:37 AM EDT
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Looks like a Tula 74. Rare model.
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Posted: 6/16/2022 11:54:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Pretty spectacular auger into the dirt. Do you think they made it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Prime:
Wow! Pretty spectacular auger into the dirt. Do you think they made it? I dunno, we've seen survivors walk out of spectacular explosions before, never underestimate the Russians dumb luck. If they were drunk, they may have just been limp and survived the crash.
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Posted: 6/16/2022 11:56:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Ready for night ops https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-06-16_10-23-25_jpg-2420124.JPG Somebody needs to teach that cat about quiet sling attachments. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 12:07:12 PM EDT
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Higher resolution video of the helicopter shootdown.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2022 12:16:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Higher resolution video of the helicopter shootdown.
Nice. Looks very similar to the heli shoot down early on in the war. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 12:17:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I dunno, we've seen survivors walk out of spectacular explosions before, never underestimate the Russians dumb luck. If they were drunk, they may have just been limp and survived the crash. They probably fall asleep shortly after to never wake back up. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 12:31:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I enjoy any information that might help build up a picture of what is going on over there so I don't mind anyone posting info they think might be something interesting or important. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Gunslinger808: Did the Russians just crash one of their C&C Ilyushin 82s? Was watching this one as it’s strange to see a Russian plane, much less an 82 which is designated as one of their Command planes. This thing was see sawing up and down from the start, then went into quite the steep decent rate, last showed it at 800 feet which is the barometric ground level. Unless ADS is really of, which it could be, looks like they plowed in… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19372/3DBE3C2F-019E-4930-8745-CC7280A579E2_png-2419825.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19372/683A87B4-417B-4B40-A82C-0D480363A9BA_png-2419826.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19372/5303E4D4-4288-4C00-94FB-B38E97AB89DF_jpe-2419827.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19372/88D44F3B-C2E4-44E6-833B-9834BF78C442_png-2419828.JPG Hey, it’s a boring night, I know some got upset about ADS screen caps as it was “cluttering the thread”, sorry to offend. And of course I posted the pics in reverse order, read from bottom to top. I enjoy any information that might help build up a picture of what is going on over there so I don't mind anyone posting info they think might be something interesting or important. Truth. After scrolling through pages and pages of people arguing over who said what, it's nice to see actual information. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 12:52:52 PM EDT
[#43]
Surrealism. Citizens of the Russian Federation from the Free Russia Legion fighting for Ukraine captured Ukrainian citizens from the LDNR formations fighting for Russia 
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Posted: 6/16/2022 1:00:38 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Higher resolution video of the helicopter shootdown.
Dug this out of the low rez post...  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 1:02:58 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVXbTHIXEAIIyBV?format=jpg&name=large They should trade them for the Amercans. If Russia rejects use that as more propaganda about how little Putin cares about people loyal to Russia. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 1:04:17 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVXbTHIXEAIIyBV?format=jpg&name=large  
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Posted: 6/16/2022 1:05:09 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomansland: I wonder if one challenge of providing M109's is the limited number in theater and challenge of air transport. I see a picture of a M109 fitting in a C17 but I don't know if that means you can/should do a transcontinential trip (C5's are getting pretty old but I guess that is an option). The M198 is a lot heavier than the M777 - I don't know if weight or space is the limitation when shipping by C17 if you compare one to the other (do you get much less M198's in the same load). The administration has been operating this pretty decently so there maybe some shipments by sea that were initiated previously that we won't hear about until they are in place. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomansland: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Realistically, how much will this new aid package do in terms of stopping the Russian advance (or driving them back) in the Donbas? I know Ukraine needs artillery and ammo bad, considering they're almost out of 152mm. It is hard to say. I'm going to need to dive deeper into what is actually being promised in this round of aid. Looking at the soundbites, it appears Lloyd Austin is promising 100 GMLRS rockets for each of the systems we are donating (so 400 guided rockets?), another 18 M777 155mm howitzers and trucks to tow them with, along with an additional 36,000 rounds of 155mm projectiles and secure radio systems. Obviously, the guided rockets with U.S. intel for targeting purposes will allow Ukraine to service lots of worthy targets. It will allow them to do quite a bit more damage with the 4 HIMARS systems they receive than one would think when considering such a small number of launchers. And the 36,000 rounds of artillery ammunition will certainly be welcome. But I am disappointed to see we are only offering an additional 18 M777 howitzers in this package. While that is enough to equip an entire battalion and seems like a lot, realistically, Ukraine needs hundreds of new artillery pieces to even the odds with Russia. They already have plenty of 155mm ammo, what they need is more 155mm guns. I do not know what other countries may have pledged today at the NATO meeting, but why haven't we contributed any M109 self propelled howitzers? I know we have some of these in storage in addition to what is equipping our forces. While we may not be able to send many more M777 howitzers without weakening our own forces, why can't we send surplus M109's? Why can't we send the older M198 155mm towed guns? I know we've already donated some of those to other countries, but we still probably have at least several hundred in storage. Ukrainians are desperate for artillery systems. We should send them every single gun we can spare. I wonder if one challenge of providing M109's is the limited number in theater and challenge of air transport. I see a picture of a M109 fitting in a C17 but I don't know if that means you can/should do a transcontinential trip (C5's are getting pretty old but I guess that is an option). The M198 is a lot heavier than the M777 - I don't know if weight or space is the limitation when shipping by C17 if you compare one to the other (do you get much less M198's in the same load). The administration has been operating this pretty decently so there maybe some shipments by sea that were initiated previously that we won't hear about until they are in place. Great Britain has apparently committed 20+ M109s after the meeting yesterday. Canada, Poland and the Netherlands have also reportedly committed to sending more arty. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 1:05:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Wreckshooter]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Russia aims to boot former Soviet nations from NATO Under that logic could just invade a NATO country, thus meaning territory is contested, thus launching the country out of NATO. Rinse, repeat.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 1:06:49 PM EDT
[#49]
"Chairwoman of the German parliamentary defence Committee, Marie-Agnes Strack-Zimmermann, said amid Chancellor Olaf Scholz's visit to Kyiv that the full-scale war against Ukraine unleashed by Russia could only be solved by military means.
She also called on the Italian and French authorities for additional weapons supplies to Ukraine."  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 1:10:58 PM EDT
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A bit of Crimea chatter today...
 Attached File Attached File"France wants to see Ukraine take back Crimea, says French diplomatic source CNN (https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-16-22) citing the french sources France wishes to see Ukraine take back control of Crimea as part of a military victory against Russia, according to a French diplomatic source. The remarks came as French, German and Italian leaders visit Kyiv. The source was speaking to pool journalists traveling with the French delegation on Thursday. "We are for an integral victory with restoration of territorial integrity on all territories conquered by the Russians, including Crimea," the French official said, referring to the Black Sea peninsula that Russia forcibly annexed from Ukraine in 2014." |
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