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Posted: 9/23/2022 7:48:42 AM EST
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lots of gunfire heard after that Iranian drone.
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Posted: 9/23/2022 7:48:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Damn, even China stated today at the UN that Ukraine's territorial integrity should be upheld. The Putin regime must feel pretty lonely right now when even China is publicly saying they should end this shit. They are saying that because they consider Taiwan a break away territory. They will cry We are just maintaining our territorial integrity when they try to take it. You can't trust china any more than you can trust russia. Now I want chinese food. Damn it! 
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Posted: 9/23/2022 7:50:04 AM EST
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Posted: 9/23/2022 7:51:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: Jaehaerys]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVxSqYWQAIF1WO?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Hopefully this means that the Bayraktars are going to continue doing work around Kherson. I know it's debatable how useful they are in a war like this, but I really hope we're training Ukrainians on Grey Eagles, Predators, or other systems. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 7:52:10 AM EST
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Posted: 9/23/2022 7:54:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Hopefully this means that the Bayraktars are going to contine doing work around Kherson. I know it's debatable how useful they are in a war like this, but I really hope we're training Ukrainians on Grey Eagles, Predators, or other systems. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVxSqYWQAIF1WO?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Hopefully this means that the Bayraktars are going to contine doing work around Kherson. I know it's debatable how useful they are in a war like this, but I really hope we're training Ukrainians on Grey Eagles, Predators, or other systems. I'm sure the Ukrainian military understands this. They have to keep the pressure up on Russian air defense systems. Small systems can get HARMs and bigger systems can have their radars taken out. Other groups of identified SAM sites can be hit with HIMARS to allow breathing room for the drones and aircraft at the frontlines then. At least until the next Russian deliveries of SAM equipment roll up in a few days and the cycle is repeated. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 7:55:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By josepha1: FBI is probably going to ask Lavrov what he knows about the trump Russia collusion. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By josepha1: Originally Posted By Cypher15: Rumor is gaining steam. There would have to be a HUGE pile of credible evidence for me to believe this. It is rather hilarious what NAFO is doing with this though.
FBI is probably going to ask Lavrov what he knows about the trump Russia collusion. I would be surprised if any of this were to come true. It would be great if it came to pass, for certain, but I don't give it much of a chance. The thing that stands out the most is the part about Lavrov supposedly being lined up to talk to the HKBD.... Oh, I'm sorry.... the FBI. That part right there smells. Why would a former Russian ambassador want to talk to the agency that is the most riddled-with-moles-agency in the U.S. ? He has known this for decades. He would avoid contact with them like they were carrying Ebola. He knows the one group they don't have people inside of, and it damn sure ain't the FBI. From a counter-intel standpoint, the only thing worse than writing FBI in that tweet would have been writing State instead. That dept. got compromised long ago, at the TOP. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 7:56:42 AM EST
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Posted: 9/23/2022 7:57:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By warp_foo: I'm in no way advocating for sympathy or forgiveness for the invaders. Put on your thinking caps: I am talking about stating the "world will be better off without 'them'" is a problem. I'm all for shooting invaders in the face, gifting them HIMARS ballistically, T-72 de-lidding as a sport, and violently informing them that their presence in your country is unwanted. Expressing a desire to kill all of them, everywhere, is ...extreme. m On the battlefield, it is different. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 7:57:56 AM EST
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Posted: 9/23/2022 7:58:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
LoL. Those Crafty Russians! |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2022 7:59:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Russia, if it were smart, would train and equip the bulk of the new mobilization troops up and stage another invasion force. Then use tactical nukes on major Ukrainian cities. Then send in the troops to mop up and take the country. Just feeding the grinder is a loser for them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdR4u9bWYAAYHF5?format=jpg&name=large
Russia, if it were smart, would train and equip the bulk of the new mobilization troops up and stage another invasion force. Then use tactical nukes on major Ukrainian cities. Then send in the troops to mop up and take the country. Just feeding the grinder is a loser for them. Or just put the troops in housing of the "liberated territories" Join army get a free house in the former area of Ukraine. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:00:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
This is the 2nd time they've admitted doing it with an Orlan-30. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:00:31 AM EST
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:01:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: This is the 2nd time they've admitted doing it with an Orlan-30. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
This is the 2nd time they've admitted doing it with an Orlan-30. Yep, they are getting better at it and probably got some fun new tools to make that possible. 
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:02:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: Jaehaerys]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I'm sure the Ukrainian military understands this. They have to keep the pressure up on Russian air defense systems. Small systems can get HARMs and bigger systems can have their radars taken out. Other groups of identified SAM sites can be hit with HIMARS to allow breathing room for the drones and aircraft at the frontlines then. At least until the next Russian deliveries of SAM equipment roll up in a few days and the cycle is repeated. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVxSqYWQAIF1WO?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Hopefully this means that the Bayraktars are going to contine doing work around Kherson. I know it's debatable how useful they are in a war like this, but I really hope we're training Ukrainians on Grey Eagles, Predators, or other systems. I'm sure the Ukrainian military understands this. They have to keep the pressure up on Russian air defense systems. Small systems can get HARMs and bigger systems can have their radars taken out. Other groups of identified SAM sites can be hit with HIMARS to allow breathing room for the drones and aircraft at the frontlines then. At least until the next Russian deliveries of SAM equipment roll up in a few days and the cycle is repeated. That definitely seems like what they're doing, and it seems to be working great in terms of allowing the Ukrainians to conduct CAS and go to work with the Bayraktars. From my perspective, the SEAD missions are going to have a fairly notable influence on the conflict. Russia is already having to bring in S-300s from places like Syria, which says to me that their losses are substantial. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:03:16 AM EST
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:03:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
It’s funny how no one commenting on that tweet got that the person saying that was being sarcastic. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:04:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: That definitely seems like what they're doing, and it seems to be working great in terms of allowing the Ukrainians to conduct CAS and go to work with the Bayraktars. From my perspective, the SEAD missions are going to have a fairly notable influence on the conflict. Russia is already having to bring in S-300s from places like Syria, which says to me that their losses are substantial. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVxSqYWQAIF1WO?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Hopefully this means that the Bayraktars are going to contine doing work around Kherson. I know it's debatable how useful they are in a war like this, but I really hope we're training Ukrainians on Grey Eagles, Predators, or other systems. I'm sure the Ukrainian military understands this. They have to keep the pressure up on Russian air defense systems. Small systems can get HARMs and bigger systems can have their radars taken out. Other groups of identified SAM sites can be hit with HIMARS to allow breathing room for the drones and aircraft at the frontlines then. At least until the next Russian deliveries of SAM equipment roll up in a few days and the cycle is repeated. That definitely seems like what they're doing, and it seems to be working great in terms of allowing the Ukrainians to conduct CAS and go to work with the Bayraktars. From my perspective, the SEAD missions are going to have a fairly notable influence on the conflict. Russia is already having to bring in S-300s from places like Syria, which says to me that their losses are substantial. The movement of numerous S-300 systems from Russia and Syria like you said is another indicator that losses of these big systems might be more substantial than we've been hearing about. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:06:12 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: It’s funny how no one commenting on that tweet got that the person saying that was being sarcastic. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
It’s funny how no one commenting on that tweet got that the person saying that was being sarcastic. I'm surprised how people don't understand sarcastic tones in person, it's easy to not get a point across using text, but in person you should pick up on it.
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:10:32 AM EST
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I'm waiting to see if they mobilize Patrick Lancaster.
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:11:32 AM EST
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:12:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Man what kinda worries me is potential mobilization of all Ukrainian men. They already can’t leave Ukraine but haven’t been sent all to fight Putyas orcs. Now that he’s throwing more men, Ukraine will be forced to do the same. It’s worrisome for me because I have a ton of cousins in Ukraine.  I think UAF will be given more potent weapons to take out incoming cannon fudder…Russia doesn’t have the modern equipment to wage an effective counter offensive… |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:13:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: The movement of numerous S-300 systems from Russia and Syria like you said is another indicator that losses of these big systems might be more substantial than we've been hearing about. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVxSqYWQAIF1WO?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Hopefully this means that the Bayraktars are going to contine doing work around Kherson. I know it's debatable how useful they are in a war like this, but I really hope we're training Ukrainians on Grey Eagles, Predators, or other systems. I'm sure the Ukrainian military understands this. They have to keep the pressure up on Russian air defense systems. Small systems can get HARMs and bigger systems can have their radars taken out. Other groups of identified SAM sites can be hit with HIMARS to allow breathing room for the drones and aircraft at the frontlines then. At least until the next Russian deliveries of SAM equipment roll up in a few days and the cycle is repeated. That definitely seems like what they're doing, and it seems to be working great in terms of allowing the Ukrainians to conduct CAS and go to work with the Bayraktars. From my perspective, the SEAD missions are going to have a fairly notable influence on the conflict. Russia is already having to bring in S-300s from places like Syria, which says to me that their losses are substantial. The movement of numerous S-300 systems from Russia and Syria like you said is another indicator that losses of these big systems might be more substantial than we've been hearing about. Agreed. Not to derail this thread too much, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the Sunni Arab insurgency against Assad pick up again. Prior to Russian intervention in 2015, Assad was on the verge of collapse, with people discussing when he was going to flee the country or get dragged through the streets like Qaddafi. Ultimately, it was Russian air strikes, ISR, and SOF that bailed him out. With the thrashing that Russia is taking in Ukraine, Assad can kiss most of his Russian support goodbye. Without Russian air support and ISR, the SAA is once again likely not going to be able to defeat the Sunni Arab insurgent groups (which aren't gone, but have gone underground and are fighting asymmetrically again). Declining Russian influence is going to significantly alter the world, to be sure. If we play our cards right, the west can come out in a very favorable position. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:16:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:16:16 AM EST
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:17:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
 Attached FileIn for an exciting weekend! |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:22:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdTC87jUUAA4ldR?format=jpg&name=large Can it carry a nuke? |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:23:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: They are saying that because they consider Taiwan a break away territory. They will cry We are just maintaining our territorial integrity when they try to take it. You can't trust china any more than you can trust russia. Now I want chinese food. Damn it! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: Damn, even China stated today at the UN that Ukraine's territorial integrity should be upheld. The Putin regime must feel pretty lonely right now when even China is publicly saying they should end this shit. They are saying that because they consider Taiwan a break away territory. They will cry We are just maintaining our territorial integrity when they try to take it. You can't trust china any more than you can trust russia. Now I want chinese food. Damn it! Except it’s the opposite. Russia claimed Ukraine was theirs in the same way China claims Taiwan is theirs. “Slavic peoples of former rule” is the same as “Chinese people of former rule”. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:24:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Thats actually clever thing do do - fight on departing. Police arrest you for disorderly conduct, you get very short sentence or parole and voila, you are off the hook |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:25:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: It would be worth loading a HIMARS on a ship/barge and take out the storage area. They just need a GPS coordinate so a rocking ship won't matter Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVSyLtWYAU-NwW?format=jpg&name=medium
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVSz0wWYAEbSF1?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVS0BdWIAIO4L5?format=jpg&name=900x900 It is so tantalizingly close to the range of the system. They were able to use standard M-31 rounds and get 120km range with tail control surfaces.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:26:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jebsofnga: I would be surprised if any of this were to come true. It would be great if it came to pass, for certain, but I don't give it much of a chance. The thing that stands out the most is the part about Lavrov supposedly being lined up to talk to the HKBD.... Oh, I'm sorry.... the FBI. That part right there smells. Why would a former Russian ambassador want to talk to the agency that is the most riddled-with-moles-agency in the U.S. ? He has known this for decades. He would avoid contact with them like they were carrying Ebola. He knows the one group they don't have people inside of, and it damn sure ain't the FBI. From a counter-intel standpoint, the only thing worse than writing FBI in that tweet would have been writing State instead. That dept. got compromised long ago, at the TOP. "Mr. Lavrov, if you prefer to stay here and avoid suicide by fall, you will need to tell us that Putin got Trump elected". fbi Washington Field Office |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:26:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
That’s gonna be one huge, deep mass grave wherever they end up. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:27:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Can it carry a nuke? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdTC87jUUAA4ldR?format=jpg&name=large Can it carry a nuke? I think if you really wanted to you could make a B-61 fly like this, but the system is really for turning cheap 500 lb bombs into guided cruise missiles. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:28:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: I don't know what's being said, but I volunteer to be interviewed too. Telegram video Q: 300k to be mobilized. What does it mean to Ukraine A: This means will kill many more of them. I wish their mobilization much of success |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:28:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Concerning for sure. I figured they'd pick up enough blinded true believers for every malcontent. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:29:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: The movement of numerous S-300 systems from Russia and Syria like you said is another indicator that losses of these big systems might be more substantial than we've been hearing about. Do we think that the Ukrainians have been delayed just by good defenses and allocation of resources north or are they intentionally slow rolling the Kherson offensive? They have local air and artillery superiority now and the river means that Russia can only trickle equipment to their guys in plain view. Sounds like a shooting gallery. If they don't throw human waves into frontal assaults they should be able to rack up a very favorable ratio of losses just sitting there, and fighting in the city itself will be a bastard, so I wonder if they might prefer to stretch those circumstances out. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:30:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I'm waiting to see if they mobilize Patrick Lancaster. If Steven Segal gets the call, we/UA are fucked. I've seen him do some shit... |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:31:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MostlyPeaceful: @dillydilly My screen name checks out in a way you will never know. So we have your avatar and claimed nationality as Ukraine. St Javelin and all. Super dooper patriotic. And you have cousins who are not willing to fight. So that makes your family not just dependent on others but actually insistent that others go and defend them. And they don't have the decency to get the fuck out of there so real Ukrainians won't be burdened by them. I can't come up with any religion that prohibits fighting or violence in defense of the family and homeland. Some sects do seem to prohibit expansionist warfare. So cowards is all I can come up with. I have no sympathy towards cowards and those who support their actions. They exist, there are a fair number of Russian Mennonites. It's probably not productive to argue that out here, though. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:33:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVQCFkWYAEdjyX?format=png&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVQCYFXkAUOewa?format=jpg&name=large I guess Recruiting Commissars are like cops when it comes to meeting a quota: You gonna go to the local MMA gym to hand out conscription letters or the local VA where old veterans are lined up for their diabetes meds? |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:34:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It is so tantalizingly close to the range of the system. They were able to use standard M-31 rounds and get 120km range with tail control surfaces.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSowadYz-g8Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:36:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: The movement of numerous S-300 systems from Russia and Syria like you said is another indicator that losses of these big systems might be more substantial than we've been hearing about. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVxSqYWQAIF1WO?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Hopefully this means that the Bayraktars are going to contine doing work around Kherson. I know it's debatable how useful they are in a war like this, but I really hope we're training Ukrainians on Grey Eagles, Predators, or other systems. I'm sure the Ukrainian military understands this. They have to keep the pressure up on Russian air defense systems. Small systems can get HARMs and bigger systems can have their radars taken out. Other groups of identified SAM sites can be hit with HIMARS to allow breathing room for the drones and aircraft at the frontlines then. At least until the next Russian deliveries of SAM equipment roll up in a few days and the cycle is repeated. That definitely seems like what they're doing, and it seems to be working great in terms of allowing the Ukrainians to conduct CAS and go to work with the Bayraktars. From my perspective, the SEAD missions are going to have a fairly notable influence on the conflict. Russia is already having to bring in S-300s from places like Syria, which says to me that their losses are substantial. The movement of numerous S-300 systems from Russia and Syria like you said is another indicator that losses of these big systems might be more substantial than we've been hearing about. In addition to high losses, the Russians have moronically been using S-300 missiles in a ground-attack role. 
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:36:50 AM EST
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If my job was to destabilize Russia I'd mail mobilization summons to another million guys at random.
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:39:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I think if you really wanted to you could make a B-61 fly like this, but the system is really for turning cheap 500 lb bombs into guided cruise missiles. I'm only asking because I'm thinking about the future when Ukraine "may" have nukes and certainly DOES have a delivery system. Just something to cool the Russian heels. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:40:00 AM EST
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:40:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdTC87jUUAA4ldR?format=jpg&name=large Is there word of Ukraine getting those? Holy crap, that would be an even bigger game changer than the HIMARs have been. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:42:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Those Kherson update maps always show a new batch of SAM systems killed, and a rising number of Ukrainian Air Force sorties, which we know to be slinging HARMs. I think Kherson is a black hole that Russia is pouring SAM systems into right now. Do we think that the Ukrainians have been delayed just by good defenses and allocation of resources north or are they intentionally slow rolling the Kherson offensive? They have local air and artillery superiority now and the river means that Russia can only trickle equipment to their guys in plain view. Sounds like a shooting gallery. If they don't throw human waves into frontal assaults they should be able to rack up a very favorable ratio of losses just sitting there, and fighting in the city itself will be a bastard, so I wonder if they might prefer to stretch those circumstances out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: The movement of numerous S-300 systems from Russia and Syria like you said is another indicator that losses of these big systems might be more substantial than we've been hearing about. Do we think that the Ukrainians have been delayed just by good defenses and allocation of resources north or are they intentionally slow rolling the Kherson offensive? They have local air and artillery superiority now and the river means that Russia can only trickle equipment to their guys in plain view. Sounds like a shooting gallery. If they don't throw human waves into frontal assaults they should be able to rack up a very favorable ratio of losses just sitting there, and fighting in the city itself will be a bastard, so I wonder if they might prefer to stretch those circumstances out. Although I do question Chuck's maps showing with any real accuracy where the Ukrainian forces are, his claims of killed vehicles and aircraft do come directly from either Operational Command South or East and other sources I have learned to trust, and so the info tends to be accurate on that count. I think as you do, right now there is a lot of stuff to hit in the South, but Ukraine can sort of slow roll for now and pummel major Russian forces trapped in that area until sufficiently weakened, they then could suddenly make an offensive to take Kherson at some point. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:44:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: If Steven Segal gets the call, we/UA are fucked. I've seen him do some shit...  |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:47:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: In addition to high losses, the Russians have moronically been using S-300 missiles in a ground-attack role. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVxSqYWQAIF1WO?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Hopefully this means that the Bayraktars are going to contine doing work around Kherson. I know it's debatable how useful they are in a war like this, but I really hope we're training Ukrainians on Grey Eagles, Predators, or other systems. I'm sure the Ukrainian military understands this. They have to keep the pressure up on Russian air defense systems. Small systems can get HARMs and bigger systems can have their radars taken out. Other groups of identified SAM sites can be hit with HIMARS to allow breathing room for the drones and aircraft at the frontlines then. At least until the next Russian deliveries of SAM equipment roll up in a few days and the cycle is repeated. That definitely seems like what they're doing, and it seems to be working great in terms of allowing the Ukrainians to conduct CAS and go to work with the Bayraktars. From my perspective, the SEAD missions are going to have a fairly notable influence on the conflict. Russia is already having to bring in S-300s from places like Syria, which says to me that their losses are substantial. The movement of numerous S-300 systems from Russia and Syria like you said is another indicator that losses of these big systems might be more substantial than we've been hearing about. In addition to high losses, the Russians have moronically been using S-300 missiles in a ground-attack role. That is where I noticed desperation on the Russian side. S-300 systems are very expensive and to learn that they can't reliably intercept HIMARS, or even the latest short ranged TOR systems were incapable of the same means they are only good for getting aircraft and helicopters, and forcing the Ukrainians to fly low. They might as well be used as a poor man's inaccurate HIMARS then.
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Posted: 9/23/2022 8:49:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Italy has a per capita GDP slightly lower than Cuba. Turn off the EU money spigot and that tard won't have a paycheck. |
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