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Posted: 10/10/2022 6:40:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: I was assuming they were doing that. Probably sending them to live with childless Russians. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: It was posted by some Russian government official in education on Twitter. The gist was "when the kids came they had bad attitudes towards Russia, but now they are singing the Russian national anthem". Something to that effect. It was pretty horrifying. I was assuming they were doing that. Probably sending them to live with childless Russians. Likely...or just sent to orphanages...hopefully not. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 6:43:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: perhaps someone has answered and I missed it were those tank cars carrying diesel fuel? perhaps experienced firefighters/petrochem can determine by the way it burned and smoked thanks My guess is it was diesel or TS-1, which is the Russian rough equivalent of Jet A or Jet A-1. I say this as it was quite energetic on the scale of gasoline or diesel, but did not appear as volatile as gasoline. You wouldn’t be able to tell the difference of diesel vs Jet as they burn the same for all intents and purposes. Not an expert but a half-educated guess. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 6:46:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeZ0SjiXwAIL_ru?format=jpg&name=medium Poor Odessa. Year after year of whirlllstar will herald the spring on its beaches. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 6:49:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Many of those UAVs are little more than flying grenades, or flying mines. I bet those will start getting anti-tamper, anti-handling, and spoilsport booby trap devices. If there's a physical capture but the data link is still up, those types of drones will be getting command detonation modes, too - to wound or kill when the capturing forces come close enough trying to recover them. Non-suicide/kamakaze drones may get similar suicide packages to let them light off all their ordnance and/or destroy their onboard electronics, if captured. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 6:51:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: And non-lethal/non-destructive means nobody would complain if you fully automate the response. Air raid alert sounds, guy in charge hits the big red button, a swarm of these automatically fly to designated sectors and start netting anything that doesn't answer IFF. The computer misses and nets somebody's cat? No big deal. Drones turn out to be friendly, or seagulls? No big deal. Bonus points for seagulls. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 6:53:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jack67]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: I was assuming they were doing that. Probably sending them to live with childless Russians. Yes, and it’s one of those things to stick in your mind when people say, “we can negotiate and end all this…”. The only people who can say that have either a) no moral compass, b) no understanding at all of the facts of the war to-date, or c) no understanding of the geopolitical history. Possibly all of the above are required to take that viewpoint. You can’t. You cannot, with the crimes on the table, negotiate a quick compromise solution with the atrocities, the terror attacks, the kidnappings, all on the table. Ukraine won’t do it, and no Western power is so morally bankrupt as to even try to force them to do it. Except maybe the SDP in Germany - but they can’t do it. This war is fighting against the black soul of the Russian regime. It’s not going to end with Putin, or a successor, willing to pull back and declare a truce. Not going to work. Russian ports will be in Ukr missile range and they will hold the ability to literally starve part of European Russia until some fashion of justice is meted out. And they will keep at it until it is. More power to them. Ask yourself - would you create a peace with neighbors who raped your wife and stole your children, and then wanted to forgive and forget so we could all just move along? No. Do you think the Ukrainians will do the same? No. There’s no end to this without a regime change and deep, humiliating reparations by the Russians. It’s a question of how much blood and violence it takes to get to that point. Very hard to predict. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 6:53:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: It's still real crazy that Russia has only done mobilization 3 times in its history. WW1, WW2 and now the "Special military operation" that IS NOT A WAR.... supposedly. Interesting. What did they call their "special operation" for Budapest in 1956 and Prague in 1968? A-stan in 1979? |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 6:53:58 PM EDT
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Somebody posted about this already, but I cant find it. So here's a double tap.
This is a very VERY professional discussion about the complexities in the Ukrainians standing up their army. Purin, who has made made a few similar videos, brings in LTG (ret) Ben Hodges, to comment on Ukrainian Force generation. LTG Hodges is an awesome guy and wicked smart. This video they talk about stuff like Bulgaria quietly cranking up their 152mm munitions factories, the Poles leading a maintenance effort to supplant the Ukrainian lack of depot maintenance, the mystery as to how Iranian 152 rounds are being fired from Ukrainian guns, the complexities of standing up 10-20 UA brigades and equipping their pax, the unprecedently crazy observation the Ukrainians have captured TWO TANK DIVISIONS worth of tanks, and other high level goodness. Like why every major war has had some sort of artillery shell shortage. Expand your mind if you so choose.  Ukrainian mobilisation & force generation - Featuring General Ben Hodges (Ret.) |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 6:55:39 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Send another 80 billion. That will fix it! |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 6:56:58 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somaliskinnypirate: Send another 80 billion. That will fix it! username checks out. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 6:59:25 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Ask yourself - would you create a peace with neighbors who raped your wife and stole your children, and then wanted to forgive and forget so we could all just move along? Yeah you would. That's often how land wars work. Wacky bloodlust is a sea power civilian shtick. Ukraine will probably keep going until they reclaim their borders. Then it will end with a truce or stalemate. Nobody's going to the Hague and no Russian officials will face "justice" from foreigners for the crime of pursuing their national interests in a clumsy way. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 6:59:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: No, war is when you attempt to destroy targets of military importance. Deliberate destruction of civilians and civilian infrastructure and kidnapping isn't war, it's an attempt at genocide. Again,  Oh great, more GD word salad and history learned from breakfast cereal boxes.... 
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Posted: 10/10/2022 6:59:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: What's his conclusion? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
A well-reasoned and logical analysis of the potential for canned sunshine in the Russian-Ukrainian war. Hint: it’s probably not what you think it is. What's his conclusion?
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:02:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Interesting. What did they call their "special operation" for Budapest in 1956 and Prague in 1968? A-stan in 1979? They had very large standing armies in all the SSRs for Budapest and Praque, so made do with forces mostly from their client states. I think they had to recruit heavily and/or mess with the conscript classes for A-stan when things escalated there. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:05:36 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somaliskinnypirate: Send another 80 billion. That will fix it! Is this you?
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:06:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somaliskinnypirate: Oh great, more GD word salad and history learned from breakfast cereal boxes.... https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/02/13/world/13dresden1/merlin_168864645_cdcdb38a-ca93-4b26-accd-7e9b6bb54d27-mediumSquareAt3X.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somaliskinnypirate: Originally Posted By planemaker: No, war is when you attempt to destroy targets of military importance. Deliberate destruction of civilians and civilian infrastructure and kidnapping isn't war, it's an attempt at genocide. Again, Oh great, more GD word salad and history learned from breakfast cereal boxes.... https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/02/13/world/13dresden1/merlin_168864645_cdcdb38a-ca93-4b26-accd-7e9b6bb54d27-mediumSquareAt3X.jpg Ah yes, another failed amateur historian who seems ill-equipped to understand both the meaning and actuality of the difference between war and genocide. Another
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:07:41 PM EDT
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The fact that Russia's temper tantrum consisted of using $700 million worth of precision guided missiles that are in short supply for what amounts to terror bombing tells me that they are not interested in using a nuclear weapon. One tactical nuke would have been much more effective at destroying civilian infrastructure.
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:08:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hondaciv]
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Ah yes, another failed amateur historian who seems ill-equipped to understand both the meaning and actuality of the difference between war and genocide. Another If you don't like people quoting you, perhaps use better words. Allied response in WW2 and Ukraine are both examples of total war. Nothing more. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:09:04 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Ah yes, another failed amateur historian who seems ill-equipped to understand both the meaning and actuality of the difference between war and genocide. Another  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:10:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: If you don't like people quoting you, perhaps use better words. WW2 and Ukraine are both examples of total war. Nothing more. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: Originally Posted By planemaker: Ah yes, another failed amateur historian who seems ill-equipped to understand both the meaning and actuality of the difference between war and genocide. Another If you don't like people quoting you, perhaps use better words. WW2 and Ukraine are both examples of total war. Nothing more. That word "war" doesn't mean what you think it means. Ask Putin... |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:11:53 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheHunstman: That word "war" doesn't mean what you think it means. Ask Putin... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheHunstman: Originally Posted By hondaciv: Originally Posted By planemaker: Ah yes, another failed amateur historian who seems ill-equipped to understand both the meaning and actuality of the difference between war and genocide. Another If you don't like people quoting you, perhaps use better words. WW2 and Ukraine are both examples of total war. Nothing more. That word "war" doesn't mean what you think it means. Ask Putin... And Vietnam was a conflict, right? |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:12:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/download_jpeg-2558838.JPG They sure do be mad about that bridge.. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:12:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: No, war is when you attempt to destroy targets of military importance. Deliberate destruction of civilians and civilian infrastructure and kidnapping isn't war, it's an attempt at genocide. Again, |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:12:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Watch out, Ivan's gonna bomb ur shitters Ukraine. Pathetic. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:12:50 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: And Vietnam was a conflict, right? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: Originally Posted By TheHunstman: Originally Posted By hondaciv: Originally Posted By planemaker: Ah yes, another failed amateur historian who seems ill-equipped to understand both the meaning and actuality of the difference between war and genocide. Another If you don't like people quoting you, perhaps use better words. WW2 and Ukraine are both examples of total war. Nothing more. That word "war" doesn't mean what you think it means. Ask Putin... And Vietnam was a conflict, right? You are asking the wrong person... |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:13:14 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By marlinfan: Is this you?
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By marlinfan: Originally Posted By somaliskinnypirate: Send another 80 billion. That will fix it! Is this you?
Gonna be a lot more of that. Embarrassing. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:13:58 PM EDT
[#27]
Christ. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:15:42 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Gonna be a lot more of that. Embarrassing. The cringe will be off the charts. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:19:06 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: It constitutes war. War is the "thing" that happens when large groups of people fight but it is not the motivation. The nazi attempt to kill all jews was genocide but it wasn't war. It was happening outside of the war. I'm not sure that this invasion is technically "genocide" since Russia and Ukraine are the same race. Maybe calling it an illegal war of "ethnic cleansing"? They want to eradicate the nation, the people, the culture that is Ukraine. Not sure exactly WTF Russia is doing but it IS evil. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:23:03 PM EDT
[#30]
Funker's had a good show tonight....last one till the 26th
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:23:10 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Gonna be a lot more of that. Embarrassing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Originally Posted By marlinfan: Originally Posted By somaliskinnypirate: Send another 80 billion. That will fix it! Is this you?
Gonna be a lot more of that. Embarrassing. Yes it is 
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:23:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jack67]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreyHat: Yeah you would. That's often how land wars work. Wacky bloodlust is a sea power civilian shtick. Ukraine will probably keep going until they reclaim their borders. Then it will end with a truce or stalemate. Nobody's going to the Hague and no Russian officials will face "justice" from foreigners for the crime of pursuing their national interests in a clumsy way. “Often” is a vague and catch-all phrase. We are talking about modern European wars, and that isn’t going to fly. The only way for it to not stick, is to literally disband the UN, the ICCJ, and the EU. That’s not happening. Making parallels to any conflict, wrt to treaty terms and crimes, prior to 1945 is moot. I don’t think a lot of people are perceiving that but it is slowly sinking in. You will eventually figure it out. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:23:48 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
LOL I think once they realize that the nuclear war is ON, it will be too late to get busy. Unless this is a trick to get Putin to give them a warning... That would be my luck...on the rare occasion Mrs. Itchy is not filled with hate and rage, Putin nukes my party 
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:25:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: doolyd]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frankiebagadonuts: The fact that Russia's temper tantrum consisted of using $700 million worth of precision guided missiles that are in short supply for what amounts to terror bombing tells me that they are not interested in using a nuclear weapon. One tactical nuke would have been much more effective at destroying civilian infrastructure. Respectively disagree. They just aren't there yet but I believe the end will result in use of chemical weapons or tactical nuke or worse. We don't now that they are in short supply of precision guided missiles - we have continued to think that based on their shit tactics but I have not seen any concrete evidence of such. They really haven't used very many since the beginning so I would find it hard to believe they are already short. I think the point for Russia is they thought they could win it using bodies. They failed at the start and so they threw a few more bodies at it. Now they go back to what little tactical bombing they were doing in the beginning just to install some fear into civilians and try to get the UA to reconsider current advances. They are also trying to using that Belarusian border to effectively do the same - turn focus off that losing southern front. I expect many more city bombings, more infrastructure bombings and perhaps another northern assault. Putin hasn't even begun to throw as many bodies as he will/can - he hasn't even officially declared war. If UA pushes all the way into Crimea - that's when he will most likely use more serious hardware. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:25:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BustinCaps: Poor Odessa. Year after year of whirlllstar will herald the spring on its beaches. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BustinCaps: Originally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeZ0SjiXwAIL_ru?format=jpg&name=medium Poor Odessa. Year after year of whirlllstar will herald the spring on its beaches. 
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:27:32 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somaliskinnypirate: Send another 80 billion. That will fix it! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somaliskinnypirate: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Send another 80 billion. That will fix it!  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:28:55 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By marlinfan: Is this you?
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:29:00 PM EDT
[#38]
I thought you guys were joking about the other threads in GD. Pulling my leg. I haven't been reading them.
I just took a leisurely stroll through the board, and I'm shocked at the smooth-brained thread there. I guess I'll just stay out of the cesspool for a while, and hang here. Slava Ukraine. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:29:12 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Sympathetic to the 2014 invasion? What made you change your mind? That was my words since I dont remember exactly what Capta wrote about it. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:29:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somaliskinnypirate: Oh great, more GD word salad and history learned from breakfast cereal boxes.... https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/02/13/world/13dresden1/merlin_168864645_cdcdb38a-ca93-4b26-accd-7e9b6bb54d27-mediumSquareAt3X.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somaliskinnypirate: Originally Posted By planemaker: No, war is when you attempt to destroy targets of military importance. Deliberate destruction of civilians and civilian infrastructure and kidnapping isn't war, it's an attempt at genocide. Again, Oh great, more GD word salad and history learned from breakfast cereal boxes.... https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/02/13/world/13dresden1/merlin_168864645_cdcdb38a-ca93-4b26-accd-7e9b6bb54d27-mediumSquareAt3X.jpg “Oh man I just wish there was some way to find out who the good guy and bad guy is in all this” 
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:30:01 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By marlinfan: Is this you?
Utterly unsurprising. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:30:12 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somaliskinnypirate: Send another 80 billion. That will fix it! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somaliskinnypirate: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Send another 80 billion. That will fix it! Worked pretty well so far. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:31:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: If you don't like people quoting you, perhaps use better words. Allied response in WW2 and Ukraine are both examples of total war. Nothing more. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: Originally Posted By planemaker: Ah yes, another failed amateur historian who seems ill-equipped to understand both the meaning and actuality of the difference between war and genocide. Another If you don't like people quoting you, perhaps use better words. Allied response in WW2 and Ukraine are both examples of total war. Nothing more. And one is genocide, and one is not. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:31:42 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By marlinfan: Is this you?
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By marlinfan: Originally Posted By somaliskinnypirate: Send another 80 billion. That will fix it! Is this you?
GD worried about their OPSEC being on the news like that. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:32:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tuco22: The cringe will be off the charts. What are the vegas odds that a percentage of them are plants? |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:33:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kagetora: I thought you guys were joking about the other threads in GD. Pulling my leg. I haven't been reading them. I just took a leisurely stroll through the board, and I'm shocked at the smooth-brained thread there. I guess I'll just stay out of the cesspool for a while, and hang here. Slava Ukraine. The Code Pinkers in the Selective Service thread are the best. Honestly I never knew the right had so many Code Pink members. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:35:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crash_Test_Dhimmi: What are the vegas odds that a percentage of them are plants? Pretty good, the rest of them are gullible enough to follow the leader as long as it contradicts "the thing" |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:44:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
That's consistent with what I've been thinking. I don't think it will get to nukes, but I realize it's possible and those who claim it won't happen are kidding themselves. With what's going on it is always possible things skid out of control, and the lack of good leadership in the West doesn't help. |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:44:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Some great footage. 4 rounds for the most part wiping out entire columns of Russian equipment and personnel. That was glorious! Some super accurate shit dropping on them right there. D'orcs everywhere! |
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Posted: 10/10/2022 7:48:53 PM EDT
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