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Posted: 10/13/2022 11:53:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: That is great looking gear! Where did the sub gun magazine pouch come from or who makes them? @Kagetora Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By Kagetora: Glad it got there. Slava Ukraine! That is great looking gear! Where did the sub gun magazine pouch come from or who makes them? @Kagetora I'm honestly not sure. At the beginning of the year when i picked up my 509T and a bunch of extra 24 round mags for it, I ordered several pouches like that to see if any of them would work to hold the mags. They're an odd size and most of the pouches ended up being too long/deep and not adjustable enough for them. So, they went in a box. I'm still looking for the others to send along to gentlemanfarmer. I'm sorry that's not an answer. If I remembered, I certainly wouldn't keep it a secret. 
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Posted: 10/14/2022 12:09:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brahm: thank you. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brahm: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Archive link to bypass paywall; it is indeed a terrific article. https://archive.ph/G42wy thank you. Remember Rumsfield saying we need to get away from the mentality of big tanks, big APCs etc and transition to a more lightweight force focused on technology and hard striking power? That article reminded me of just that. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 12:10:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: In Afghanistan units didnt dig in too much. The biggest risks were getting ambushed while on the move, or stepping on an IED while on the move. Stationary, after dark, US had NODs, and the enemy attacking was very unlikely. And digging in could be noisy and give your position away. Under those very specific conditions it was better to be quiet and not let anyone know exactly where you are, so you didn't walk into an ambush the next morning, or let the enemy pinpoint your location and lay mines and IEDs nearby. I cant think of a dismounted unit getting hit in the dark while stationary. Id say it will make a comeback. Picture a recon patrol moving through the jungles of Vietnam. Or Ukrainian SOF behind Russian lines. If the enemy doesn't know where they are, pulling out an e-tool and whanging a hole at 10pm doesn't help. In Afghanistan it was more pronounced as we could see infinitely better, and making a ton of noise is how you would get detected. In a few cases, like if troops were going to occupy a compound and wait for trouble to arrive, they'd bring e-tools, but it was to fill some sandbags to put on the roof. Pretty much this. Fuck day time ops if you could help it in regards to infill. 0200-0330ish was the sweet spot, and we usually rode in our Stykers Recon vehicle, or when 160TH was in the AO, we would taxi with them for raids. Try to occupy a building and then work out of there. Usually 24 hour, sometimes longer. Then its back to the FOB. From a Iraq experience, regardless if you were doing direct action or reconnaissance missions, you usually had a brief down at the TOC, and then you would head out later that night. You would complete the objective/s and then return. No one was "living" out of foxholes. Same thing if you were assigned for QRF, go out respond, come back. Often for us, it was almost a schedule, because we had a warm fuzzy on what missions laid a head, prep, plan and then execute. Like a "job" you get up go to work, come home. Bad guys over there want to hit you with IEDs then follow up with small arms-rpgs. No arty, *mortars sometimes* and they had a decent idea on response time for CAS, so they didnt stick around too long. Just not a lot of reasons to dig a hole over there. It had happened, just not the norm for sure. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 12:31:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Wow, holy shit, if anyone wants to have a few minutes entertainment, go check out the Sons of Liberty International website, and their founder, the poster of this tweet. Dude was either not made for this world, or he's as Looney as a Tune, or both.  |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:12:05 AM EDT
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He seems like the sort of guy that will be training Idahoans to resist the government. Maybe we should give him money.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:31:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FenKi-OaUAASRho?format=jpg&name=large Have they been using those planes or they're concerned about the AA capabilities? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:36:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: In all fairness, why would SpaceX, a private enterprise, be expected to provide free equipment and service in UKR? None of our defense contractors are providing free should be picking up the tab for this. UKR should be picking up the tab for this! |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 1:40:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Good and about time. Hopefully thousands of orcs are captured or shot They generally get blown up. Not shot. Artillery is the king. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:00:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:39:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Winter uniforms are rolling in, https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/CB86855C-7BF7-4EED-B330-A580C22D51FB_jpe-2561071.JPG  Attached FileLooks like she got a little something extra to keep her warm at night  Attached File Sorry. It’s late 
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:41:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762:
That sounds like a plausible reason. That dude is a CNN wonk. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 2:46:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 3:27:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: They also ordered 500 HIMARS, which is insane as that how many the US had in total. For reference, Ukraine has been causing havoc with ~16 of them. https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/06/07/poland-himars-us/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, Poland, you getting scary.
They already ordered almost 5 billion dollars worth of M1 Abrams, plus the new ballistic missile defense systems. 96 Apache helicopter gunships, etc. I feel safer, and hope the rest of Europe follows suit actually.They also ordered 500 HIMARS, which is insane as that how many the US had in total. For reference, Ukraine has been causing havoc with ~16 of them. https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/06/07/poland-himars-us/ Maybe they are going to invade Germany. Or Belarus. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 3:34:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 3:35:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: Maybe they are going to invade Germany. Or Belarus. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, Poland, you getting scary.
They already ordered almost 5 billion dollars worth of M1 Abrams, plus the new ballistic missile defense systems. 96 Apache helicopter gunships, etc. I feel safer, and hope the rest of Europe follows suit actually.They also ordered 500 HIMARS, which is insane as that how many the US had in total. For reference, Ukraine has been causing havoc with ~16 of them. https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/06/07/poland-himars-us/ Maybe they are going to invade Germany. Or Belarus. Word is HIMARS is getting passed over for Chunmoo. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 3:37:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: Maybe they are going to invade Germany. Or Belarus. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, Poland, you getting scary.
They already ordered almost 5 billion dollars worth of M1 Abrams, plus the new ballistic missile defense systems. 96 Apache helicopter gunships, etc. I feel safer, and hope the rest of Europe follows suit actually.They also ordered 500 HIMARS, which is insane as that how many the US had in total. For reference, Ukraine has been causing havoc with ~16 of them. https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/06/07/poland-himars-us/ Maybe they are going to invade Germany. Or Belarus. Most likely they fear that if anything kicked off, they'd be on their own, and they look like they do not want to repeat the last time that happened to them, Can't say as I'd blame them. With neighbours like Germany and Belarus/Russia I'd want to be well armed too... |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 4:18:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Word is HIMARS is getting passed over for Chunmoo. I don’t blame them. They need 500 right now, not in a few years. Lockheed’s facility is inadequate to meet production needs |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 4:24:49 AM EDT
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I suspect that Lockheed is a Tier 1 for Hanwha on Chunmoo also.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 4:25:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By HIPPO: What a waste.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fe-OdNFakAEeHXz?format=jpg&name=900x900  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 4:39:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Wow, holy shit, if anyone wants to have a few minutes entertainment, go check out the Sons of Liberty International website, and their founder, the poster of this tweet. Dude was either not made for this world, or he's as Looney as a Tune, or both. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/bubbles_zps5bf5952f_GIF-110.gif A NGO dedicated to overthrowing/fighting .govs stationed in DC and founded by a dude who fought to remove Gaddafi? Totally not a CIA/DoD asset |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 4:41:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: Maybe they are going to invade Germany. Or Belarus. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, Poland, you getting scary.
They already ordered almost 5 billion dollars worth of M1 Abrams, plus the new ballistic missile defense systems. 96 Apache helicopter gunships, etc. I feel safer, and hope the rest of Europe follows suit actually.They also ordered 500 HIMARS, which is insane as that how many the US had in total. For reference, Ukraine has been causing havoc with ~16 of them. https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/06/07/poland-himars-us/ Maybe they are going to invade Germany. Or Belarus. Or maybe they see what's coming in the next 10 years? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 4:57:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Phocks: Mostly not. I got looked at funny for bringing a small shovel to NTC. I didn't see another the entire time...and I was attached to an engineer BN. I'm sure they had some, but Ft Irwin allows fighting positions but I didn't see a single one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Phocks: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Related to this, when I would look at combat pictures of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, I cant recall them ever having a shovel or spade / entrenching tool in their kit. I guess holes werent dug then? Is carrying an E-tool still SOP, or going to make a comeback? Mostly not. I got looked at funny for bringing a small shovel to NTC. I didn't see another the entire time...and I was attached to an engineer BN. I'm sure they had some, but Ft Irwin allows fighting positions but I didn't see a single one. I wonder if Ukraine will prompt a return to e-tools? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 5:02:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taboot: It would take the rest of my life to dig that hole in my yard with a shovel. Fucking New England. It's all rocks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taboot: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By CharlieR: Yes. The biggest advantage of trenches is they usually have communications trenches leading up to them from the rear, so if you are in a static front for a long time, with snipers galore, NCOs can check up on their grunts, you can come and go, get resupplied with chow, take a dump, do it all below ground. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Schwaben_Redoubt_aerial_photograph_10-05-1916_IWM_HU_91107.jpg/440px-Schwaben_Redoubt_aerial_photograph_10-05-1916_IWM_HU_91107.jpg But a trench is impossible to camouflage, don't have overhead cover, and are very vulnerable to drones and proximity fuses. I suspect both sides got used to them 2014-2021 and don't know any better. The US went to foxholes, along with everyone else, mostly, in WWII. Easier to dig when your halted for a short while, camouflage, and put overhead cover on. Generally, dogfaces had to stay put in their holes sunup to sundown, or get shot. But if the enemy lines aren't that close, and you're getting pounded by artillery and UAVs, a better bet then a trench. https://i.redd.it/e2xmh39ycoaz.jpg You need some lumber for a roof but I can't imagine how we can supply HIMARS and not wood and sandbags. There was a US officer in WWI, named Depuy, who became indignant that Germans dug better holes then us. They would put a berm of dirt in the front and if suppressed, shoot around the side of their cover and catch the attacker in a crossfire. A US trooper had to duck down in the bottom of his hole and couldn't stick his head up. Think of Private Blythe in BoB. 30 years later, Depuy made the Army conduct tests on what the best type of hole was, statistically prove his hole was better, and change the FMs to choose his type of hole. He happened to be correct, and we've done it that way ever since. The US Army fighting position is easier to put overhead cover on, and camouflage. https://media.defense.gov/2013/Jan/15/2001177900/-1/-1/0/801921-U-LUD04-229.jpg https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/NINTCHDBPICT000732855970.jpg Wonderful bit of history, thank you. I spent most of my time in as light infantry, but back in the stone age when I was in, IIRC, the order of construction went: hasty fighting position, primary fighting position with overhead cover, clearing the fields of fire (FoF), secondary fighting position which covered the same FoF, alternate fighting position and then you connected it all with what I think were called communication trenches. Someone whose mind isn't half gone can correct me but I think that was the order. Anyway, it was lots and lots and lots of digging. Related to this, when I would look at combat pictures of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, I cant recall them ever having a shovel or spade / entrenching tool in their kit. I guess holes werent dug then? Is carrying an E-tool still SOP, or going to make a comeback?
It would take the rest of my life to dig that hole in my yard with a shovel. Fucking New England. It's all rocks. That raises an interesting question. How are fighting holes prepared in countries / areas where the soil is rocky, or rock hard? I recall in a sci fi book I read, the mech suited troopers had mini cratering charges for rapidly creating a fighting hole. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 5:05:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Merkel on her Russian energy legacy: 'No regrets' Justifies the decision in part because it helped Germany phase out Nuclear - a reliable carbon free source of power for a country obsessed with going Green. What a fucking tard. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 5:11:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: In Afghanistan units didnt dig in too much. The biggest risks were getting ambushed while on the move, or stepping on an IED while on the move. Stationary, after dark, US had NODs, and the enemy attacking was very unlikely. And digging in could be noisy and give your position away. Under those very specific conditions it was better to be quiet and not let anyone know exactly where you are, so you didn't walk into an ambush the next morning, or let the enemy pinpoint your location and lay mines and IEDs nearby. I cant think of a dismounted unit getting hit in the dark while stationary. Id say it will make a comeback. Picture a recon patrol moving through the jungles of Vietnam. Or Ukrainian SOF behind Russian lines. If the enemy doesn't know where they are, pulling out an e-tool and whanging a hole at 10pm doesn't help. In Afghanistan it was more pronounced as we could see infinitely better, and making a ton of noise is how you would get detected. In a few cases, like if troops were going to occupy a compound and wait for trouble to arrive, they'd bring e-tools, but it was to fill some sandbags to put on the roof. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Related to this, when I would look at combat pictures of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, I cant recall them ever having a shovel or spade / entrenching tool in their kit. I guess holes werent dug then? Is carrying an E-tool still SOP, or going to make a comeback? In Afghanistan units didnt dig in too much. The biggest risks were getting ambushed while on the move, or stepping on an IED while on the move. Stationary, after dark, US had NODs, and the enemy attacking was very unlikely. And digging in could be noisy and give your position away. Under those very specific conditions it was better to be quiet and not let anyone know exactly where you are, so you didn't walk into an ambush the next morning, or let the enemy pinpoint your location and lay mines and IEDs nearby. I cant think of a dismounted unit getting hit in the dark while stationary. Id say it will make a comeback. Picture a recon patrol moving through the jungles of Vietnam. Or Ukrainian SOF behind Russian lines. If the enemy doesn't know where they are, pulling out an e-tool and whanging a hole at 10pm doesn't help. In Afghanistan it was more pronounced as we could see infinitely better, and making a ton of noise is how you would get detected. In a few cases, like if troops were going to occupy a compound and wait for trouble to arrive, they'd bring e-tools, but it was to fill some sandbags to put on the roof. Cool, that makes sense, thanks. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 5:53:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Remember Rumsfield saying we need to get away from the mentality of big tanks, big APCs etc and transition to a more lightweight force focused on technology and hard striking power? That article reminded me of just that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Originally Posted By brahm: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Archive link to bypass paywall; it is indeed a terrific article. https://archive.ph/G42wy thank you. Remember Rumsfield saying we need to get away from the mentality of big tanks, big APCs etc and transition to a more lightweight force focused on technology and hard striking power? That article reminded me of just that. I had to look it up, but now I totally see that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumsfeld_Doctrine Ukraine is many ways has been living as a test bed for that theory, as well as a sort of A2AD strategy typically associated with China. HIMARS almost takes it further, as Rumsfeld talked about relying on airstrikes, but HIMARS+Spotting Drones are conducting effectively short range precision airstrikes at a fraction of the cost and logistics of an airforce. When you look at this sort of 'light and precise/A2AD' hybrid vs conventional heavy armor thinking of the past, its pretty striking. M1 Abrams = $8.9 million 2016 (not counting the enormous fuel, maintainance, training, and transport cost.) -->Can buy 50x Javelin anti tank Missiles for same cost -->Can buy 2x HIMARS for same cost For smaller countries on limited budgets looking strictly for defense against invasion, focussing on Anti Tank, Anti Air, and HIMARS type long range precision fires makes a lot more sense than a traditional 'Tanks and Planes' centric army. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 5:56:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Word is HIMARS is getting passed over for Chunmoo. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By Drakich: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, Poland, you getting scary.
They already ordered almost 5 billion dollars worth of M1 Abrams, plus the new ballistic missile defense systems. 96 Apache helicopter gunships, etc. I feel safer, and hope the rest of Europe follows suit actually.They also ordered 500 HIMARS, which is insane as that how many the US had in total. For reference, Ukraine has been causing havoc with ~16 of them. https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/06/07/poland-himars-us/ Maybe they are going to invade Germany. Or Belarus. Word is HIMARS is getting passed over for Chunmoo. Can they use US/NATO GMLRS Pods? Looks like a sort of HIMARS/M270 hybrid, a 12 shot HIMARS. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 5:56:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: It makes sense to wonder if Poland is doing a shadow buy for Ukrane. Poland gets 300, Ukraine gets 200. With transfer of production technology there will be no way to prevent such a deal by political means. How does Poland pay for their defense? I may be out of touch with Eastern Europe but I can't name a single Polish company, or product produced in Poland or even a resource they might export. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:04:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: But it's one of the worst things when anything happens to the dog. Our four legged buddy took some shrapnel from a granade, 2 guys nearly got killed while rescuing the dog.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By Swampgrass: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
GSD is best dog! It's always struck me how a dog in a combat zone brings most everyone over. Probably a brief return to normal times and a bit of relief. But it's one of the worst things when anything happens to the dog. Our four legged buddy took some shrapnel from a granade, 2 guys nearly got killed while rescuing the dog. Pretty good movie just came out about a military Dog and its handlers.  DOG | Official Trailer | MGM Studios |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:05:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Cool, that makes sense, thanks. In the Big Army up to about 2005, it was informally considered one of those ways you could tell a good unit from the bad. Im talking out in the field, training. Good units roadmarched everywhere, got in little triangle shaped perimeters about 1800, dug little hasty prone positions about 18 inches down, and did stand to, where 1/2 hour before sunrise you are at 100% security, ruck packed, pulling security. Bad units rode in trucks, slept in, and their patrol bases looked like gypsy camps, hootched up 24/7. Bad units were about twice as good as the Russians. You can tell some of these Ukrainians have excellent field discipline. Hunter or hunted types of indicators. The Brits, when I worked with them, had outstanding field discipline. The USMC did as well. These were all the sorts of little useless things that we all incorporated as to "field discipline." There was a period of time when young guys had no combat experience and old guys were Vietnam vets, and to be honest there was a strong crossover between Ranger school, things guys did in Vietnam, and the sorts of things a CSM might be looking for when he eyeballs your perimeter. A lot of leaders were light on garrison discipline, like spitshining boots and barracks inspection, but a good trooper dug in and pulled security, and was up at stand to. A good LT took his turn on radio watch and trooped the lines between 0100 and 0400. Everyone dug their own holes. I would hope it makes a comeback, along with the other sorts of things. In my experience noone really likes discipline, but troopers took pride and would show ownership of field discipline if there was a point to it. Sometimes one unit would ruck by another and there would be eyeballing and sizing each other up. Noone really cared about drill, spit and polish. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:09:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: That makes my blood boil more than many things going on over there. This is why I say sanctions on Russia can't end until they've had a national census overseen by international (western) monitors to ensure EVERY kidnapped Ukrainian has the opportunity to go home. Fuck every Russian who keeps a kidnapped Ukrainian kid, even if they are orphans. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
That makes my blood boil more than many things going on over there. This is why I say sanctions on Russia can't end until they've had a national census overseen by international (western) monitors to ensure EVERY kidnapped Ukrainian has the opportunity to go home. Fuck every Russian who keeps a kidnapped Ukrainian kid, even if they are orphans. Ive watched that video several times. It does not look like kids being displaced and being handed to completely new parents. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:17:52 AM EDT
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 NATO warns Russia not to use nuclear weapons | DW News Russia is estimated to have 2,000 Tactical Nuclear Iskander warheads? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:19:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762:
That sounds like a plausible reason. It absolutely is. I follow SpaceX very closely and this is a real concern. A few things to consider... -They have said it's costing them $80-100 million to keep Ukraine online. This is not only for the terminals and service but they're devoting high value resources to fending off almost daily jamming and hacking attempts. -The Starlink program is suffering due to delays in getting Starship up and running. It is the only vehicle that can launch version 2 of Starlink satellites and they are counting on it to reduce their losses. It's a very costly delay and and was part of the reason for bankruptcy concerns raised last Winter. -The gov just reneged on a $900 million rural internet grant for Starlink. When you think about it, it's pretty shitty that they aren't being compensated when you consider the above and that they are likely saving the taxpayers billions on the ISS and lunar lander contracts. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:23:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By torstin: How does Poland pay for their defense? I may be out of touch with Eastern Europe but I can't name a single Polish company, or product produced in Poland or even a resource they might export. They make quality rifles. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:25:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Russia must have got word to him that it’s going to do something to him and his kids. SpaceX already killed the Russian manned space monopoly, and now the pro Ukraine actions had a major impact. After this is all over, and Putin’s regime is gone, the truth will come out. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:36:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: In the Big Army up to about 2005, it was informally considered one of those ways you could tell a good unit from the bad. Im talking out in the field, training. Good units roadmarched everywhere, got in little triangle shaped perimeters about 1800, dug little hasty prone positions about 18 inches down, and did stand to, where 1/2 hour before sunrise you are at 100% security, ruck packed, pulling security. Bad units rode in trucks, slept in, and their patrol bases looked like gypsy camps, hootched up 24/7. Bad units were about twice as good as the Russians. You can tell some of these Ukrainians have excellent field discipline. Hunter or hunted types of indicators. The Brits, when I worked with them, had outstanding field discipline. The USMC did as well. These were all the sorts of little useless things that we all incorporated as to "field discipline." There was a period of time when young guys had no combat experience and old guys were Vietnam vets, and to be honest there was a strong crossover between Ranger school, things guys did in Vietnam, and the sorts of things a CSM might be looking for when he eyeballs your perimeter. A lot of leaders were light on garrison discipline, like spitshining boots and barracks inspection, but a good trooper dug in and pulled security, and was up at stand to. A good LT took his turn on radio watch and trooped the lines between 0100 and 0400. Everyone dug their own holes. I would hope it makes a comeback, along with the other sorts of things. In my experience noone really likes discipline, but troopers took pride and would show ownership of field discipline if there was a point to it. Sometimes one unit would ruck by another and there would be eyeballing and sizing each other up. Noone really cared about drill, spit and polish. Thanks for this, and other recent posts you’ve made. It’s a reminder what leadership is and what that reality means, and how fights are won. It’s a lot of things. I’ve been disappointed in the thread a few days because of the low signal/noise ratio; this bumps it up. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:45:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Can they use US/NATO GMLRS Pods? Looks like a sort of HIMARS/M270 hybrid, a 12 shot HIMARS. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By Drakich: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, Poland, you getting scary.
They already ordered almost 5 billion dollars worth of M1 Abrams, plus the new ballistic missile defense systems. 96 Apache helicopter gunships, etc. I feel safer, and hope the rest of Europe follows suit actually.They also ordered 500 HIMARS, which is insane as that how many the US had in total. For reference, Ukraine has been causing havoc with ~16 of them. https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/06/07/poland-himars-us/ Maybe they are going to invade Germany. Or Belarus. Word is HIMARS is getting passed over for Chunmoo. Can they use US/NATO GMLRS Pods? Looks like a sort of HIMARS/M270 hybrid, a 12 shot HIMARS. Yes and yes. Makes sense for a country that’s unlikely to deploy by air. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:48:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 6:54:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By torstin: How does Poland pay for their defense? I may be out of touch with Eastern Europe but I can't name a single Polish company, or product produced in Poland or even a resource they might export. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By torstin: Originally Posted By Capta: It makes sense to wonder if Poland is doing a shadow buy for Ukrane. Poland gets 300, Ukraine gets 200. With transfer of production technology there will be no way to prevent such a deal by political means. How does Poland pay for their defense? I may be out of touch with Eastern Europe but I can't name a single Polish company, or product produced in Poland or even a resource they might export. Germany and the EU. Poland is getting billions every year from other states. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:02:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By torstin: How does Poland pay for their defense? I may be out of touch with Eastern Europe but I can't name a single Polish company, or product produced in Poland or even a resource they might export. They made the pcv valve cover for my car..... Other than that... |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:31:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GySgt_D: They made the pcv valve cover for my car..... Other than that... |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:33:03 AM EDT
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Russian river crossing in Kherson.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:40:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: how is this costing that much after the Satellites are in orbit and infrastructure is in place? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: Originally Posted By Birddog15: Originally Posted By mercersfinest4: In all fairness, why would SpaceX, a private enterprise, be expected to provide free equipment and service in UKR? None of our defense contractors are providing free arms. The government should be picking up the tab for this. Musk has pissed me off a bit lately, but he has done more than his share to help, too. how is this costing that much after the Satellites are in orbit and infrastructure is in place? SpaceX paid for the booster SpaceX paid for the satellites: design, testing, build, licensing SpaceX is paying to maintain the software and ground infrastructure SpaceX is paying for the control center and staff It's a huge sunk cost that needs to be repaid. For the non-UKR satellites, that cost is being paid for/recouped by end user subscription fees. m |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 7:49:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By warp_foo: The satellites aren't 'free' just because they've been launched. SpaceX paid for the booster SpaceX paid for the satellites: design, testing, build, licensing SpaceX is paying to maintain the software and ground infrastructure SpaceX is paying for the control center and staff It's a huge sunk cost that needs to be repaid. For the non-UKR satellites, that cost is being paid for/recouped by end user subscription fees. m And the bandwidth of the entire system is not unlimited. One Ukrainian user means one less paid subscriber can use the system. One more potential subscriber on the waiting list...waiting. Its a huge investment, nothing is "free". |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:08:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:09:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: In the Big Army up to about 2005, it was informally considered one of those ways you could tell a good unit from the bad. Im talking out in the field, training. Good units roadmarched everywhere, got in little triangle shaped perimeters about 1800, dug little hasty prone positions about 18 inches down, and did stand to, where 1/2 hour before sunrise you are at 100% security, ruck packed, pulling security. Bad units rode in trucks, slept in, and their patrol bases looked like gypsy camps, hootched up 24/7. Bad units were about twice as good as the Russians. You can tell some of these Ukrainians have excellent field discipline. Hunter or hunted types of indicators. The Brits, when I worked with them, had outstanding field discipline. The USMC did as well. These were all the sorts of little useless things that we all incorporated as to "field discipline." There was a period of time when young guys had no combat experience and old guys were Vietnam vets, and to be honest there was a strong crossover between Ranger school, things guys did in Vietnam, and the sorts of things a CSM might be looking for when he eyeballs your perimeter. A lot of leaders were light on garrison discipline, like spitshining boots and barracks inspection, but a good trooper dug in and pulled security, and was up at stand to. A good LT took his turn on radio watch and trooped the lines between 0100 and 0400. Everyone dug their own holes. I would hope it makes a comeback, along with the other sorts of things. In my experience noone really likes discipline, but troopers took pride and would show ownership of field discipline if there was a point to it. Sometimes one unit would ruck by another and there would be eyeballing and sizing each other up. Noone really cared about drill, spit and polish. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Cool, that makes sense, thanks. In the Big Army up to about 2005, it was informally considered one of those ways you could tell a good unit from the bad. Im talking out in the field, training. Good units roadmarched everywhere, got in little triangle shaped perimeters about 1800, dug little hasty prone positions about 18 inches down, and did stand to, where 1/2 hour before sunrise you are at 100% security, ruck packed, pulling security. Bad units rode in trucks, slept in, and their patrol bases looked like gypsy camps, hootched up 24/7. Bad units were about twice as good as the Russians. You can tell some of these Ukrainians have excellent field discipline. Hunter or hunted types of indicators. The Brits, when I worked with them, had outstanding field discipline. The USMC did as well. These were all the sorts of little useless things that we all incorporated as to "field discipline." There was a period of time when young guys had no combat experience and old guys were Vietnam vets, and to be honest there was a strong crossover between Ranger school, things guys did in Vietnam, and the sorts of things a CSM might be looking for when he eyeballs your perimeter. A lot of leaders were light on garrison discipline, like spitshining boots and barracks inspection, but a good trooper dug in and pulled security, and was up at stand to. A good LT took his turn on radio watch and trooped the lines between 0100 and 0400. Everyone dug their own holes. I would hope it makes a comeback, along with the other sorts of things. In my experience noone really likes discipline, but troopers took pride and would show ownership of field discipline if there was a point to it. Sometimes one unit would ruck by another and there would be eyeballing and sizing each other up. Noone really cared about drill, spit and polish. The USMC teaches SAFE, Security, Automatic Weapon placement, Fields of Fire, Entrenchment (also jokingly known as sleep and fucking eat) as the priority of work when you establish a position. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:10:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Yes and yes. Makes sense for a country that’s unlikely to deploy by air. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By Drakich: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, Poland, you getting scary.
They already ordered almost 5 billion dollars worth of M1 Abrams, plus the new ballistic missile defense systems. 96 Apache helicopter gunships, etc. I feel safer, and hope the rest of Europe follows suit actually.They also ordered 500 HIMARS, which is insane as that how many the US had in total. For reference, Ukraine has been causing havoc with ~16 of them. https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/06/07/poland-himars-us/ Maybe they are going to invade Germany. Or Belarus. Word is HIMARS is getting passed over for Chunmoo. Can they use US/NATO GMLRS Pods? Looks like a sort of HIMARS/M270 hybrid, a 12 shot HIMARS. Yes and yes. Makes sense for a country that’s unlikely to deploy by air. The MFOM has become an unofficial NATO interface standard. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:11:36 AM EDT
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Yeah, those rash guys seem to have had a bad day too t.me/operativnoZSU/… #всрф #роа #потерьнет #RussianUkrainianWar |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:16:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: I do like our European allies and Asian allies making in roads. Sucks we miss out on the money but increases interoperability and makes China think Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, Poland, you getting scary.
I do like our European allies and Asian allies making in roads. Sucks we miss out on the money but increases interoperability and makes China think - and there is the silver lining to US funding the Ukrainian meat-grinder. Successive administrations (R and D alike) tout “pivot to Asia” - because our military, the intelligence community, and the state dept. all understood the threat posed by a strengthening China. Unifying the EU/US response with support from our Asian friends in that region (South Korea, Japan, etc) should give China pause. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:22:53 AM EDT
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This is refreshing.
 'Ashamed': Russians Fleeing Mobilization Talk About The War On Ukraine |
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