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Posted: 10/16/2022 9:56:53 PM EST
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Ghost of Kyiv page
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Posted: 10/16/2022 10:08:18 PM EST
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Posted: 10/16/2022 10:37:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: Javak]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Ukrainians come in all sizes
Oh man the grease fire on Sgt. Sugarblini if he got lit up. |
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Posted: 10/16/2022 10:59:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: Saltwater-Hillbilly]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Billy_Ringo: NASCAR. Didn't know the Russians were fans. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Billy_Ringo: Originally Posted By Birddog15: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Wish granted.
Must be Billy Preston driving.  Will it go round in circles? NASCAR. Didn't know the Russians were fans. Looks more like USAC or World of Outlaws Dirt Track racing. NASCAR is mostly pavement. |
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Posted: 10/16/2022 11:38:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: What's truly sad is they're taking Ukrainian's youth with them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By DOW: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: During the 1917 Third Battle of Ypres (Passchendaele) took place over about 100 days and reasonable estimates of casualties seem to be about 700,000. So, the rate was about 7,000 casualties per day.  During 1916, the Battle of the Somme took place over 140 days, with close to a million casualties. So, a very similar rate - about 7,000 thousand casualties per day. ... and remember, those were specific campaigns in a small part of the overall theatre, and there was lots of dying going on at the same time on other battlefields. WW1 must have been an absolutely terrifying meatgrinder.  The flower of Europe...wasted. Yes, just like Russia is wasting the flower of their youth. It’s sad. What's truly sad is they're taking Ukrainian's youth with them. A fight to survive is never wasted. Whether it takss 50,000 dead or 100,000, the price has to be paid sometimes. This war will power Ukrainian statehood for hundreds of years. |
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Posted: 10/16/2022 11:49:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Theres a couple explanations 1.Worried the ATACMS might actually be the real Red Line for Russia 2. Desire to save all ATACMs for the fight with China until PrsM is developed 3. Concern ATACMS might end the war too quickly. #3 is the most ruthless but interesting option. Theres a valid case to be made for giving Russia some hope they can win so that they will throw even more resources into the meat grinder, in order to maximize the overall destruction of Russias capabilities. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: The only logical explanation I can come up with as to why we haven't sent ATACMS yet is that some elements of the Biden Administration (probably including Biden himself) are stalling. After all, it has to be remembered that Biden was against the raid to get UBL. The Ukrainians likely have very good intelligence as to what's going on deep in Russia's rear, both through NATO and their own SIGINT and HUMINT, hence why they've been begging for ATACMS for months. It's really a shame that we haven't supplied any, and that the Biden Administration has shown no indication that they're going to supply any in the future. Theres a couple explanations 1.Worried the ATACMS might actually be the real Red Line for Russia 2. Desire to save all ATACMs for the fight with China until PrsM is developed 3. Concern ATACMS might end the war too quickly. #3 is the most ruthless but interesting option. Theres a valid case to be made for giving Russia some hope they can win so that they will throw even more resources into the meat grinder, in order to maximize the overall destruction of Russias capabilities. I’ve argued for 3 for most of the thread, however I would question where the line of maximum benefit to the US and Ukraine lies. That is, what level of attrition are we shooting for? They are probably weak enough not to be an immediate threat to Europe (without nukes) but IMO the goal is the final dissolution of the Russian empire. My guess is there are objective goals in place, like “too weak to stop color revolutions in Georgia. Belarus, Checnya, and Moldova/Transnistria. Given that those nations aren’t military powerhouses, that’s pretty weak. This will be followed by separatism in places like Dagestan etc. Note also that concurrent with Russia throwing mobiks into Ukraine we have also stepped up HIMARS and SAMs. This isn’t just a response to Russian terror bombing. They throw more people into the grinder, we grind faster until they collapse. Russia’s only way out is to say uncle, but their arrogance will prevent that. |
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Posted: 10/16/2022 11:56:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By atavistic: Re: #3, I suspect we don't have a plan for Eurasia politically blasting itself apart. Russia failing in a matter of months is the power vacuum of all power vacuums across the greatest land mass on earth. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By atavistic: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: The only logical explanation I can come up with as to why we haven't sent ATACMS yet is that some elements of the Biden Administration (probably including Biden himself) are stalling. After all, it has to be remembered that Biden was against the raid to get UBL. The Ukrainians likely have very good intelligence as to what's going on deep in Russia's rear, both through NATO and their own SIGINT and HUMINT, hence why they've been begging for ATACMS for months. It's really a shame that we haven't supplied any, and that the Biden Administration has shown no indication that they're going to supply any in the future. Theres a couple explanations 1.Worried the ATACMS might actually be the real Red Line for Russia 2. Desire to save all ATACMs for the fight with China until PrsM is developed 3. Concern ATACMS might end the war too quickly. #3 is the most ruthless but interesting option. Theres a valid case to be made for giving Russia some hope they can win so that they will throw even more resources into the meat grinder, in order to maximize the overall destruction of Russias capabilities. Re: #3, I suspect we don't have a plan for Eurasia politically blasting itself apart. Russia failing in a matter of months is the power vacuum of all power vacuums across the greatest land mass on earth. The main plan is to dangle eastern Russia in front of China to draw them into perennial conflict, then support Russia just enough so that the two can exhaust each other. Southern Russian ex-republics (i.e. Georgia) become the European hinterland. The rest is easy. We’ll make profitable deals with whatever local warlords emerge and let them do what they want so long as the deals are honored. Ultimately a rump European Russia is allowed back into polite European society 50 years from now. |
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Posted: 10/16/2022 11:56:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: I thought I saw a story posted that said they are offering huge bonuses to pilots of foreign countries citizens that were familiar with soviet aircraft. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Originally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By j_hooker: From what I'm understanding, they're recruiting pilots around the world Wow if they are doing that then their training schools must really suck. Does DCS count? |
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Posted: 10/16/2022 11:59:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Does DCS count? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By ludder093: Originally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By j_hooker: From what I'm understanding, they're recruiting pilots around the world Wow if they are doing that then their training schools must really suck. Does DCS count? https://news.yahoo.com/russia-trying-recruit-retired-pilots-145300521.html |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 12:08:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: I’ve argued for 3 for most of the thread, however I would question where the line of maximum benefit to the US and Ukraine lies. That is, what level of attrition are we shooting for? They are probably weak enough not to be an immediate threat to Europe (without nukes) but IMO the goal is the final dissolution of the Russian empire. My guess is there are objective goals in place, like “too weak to stop color revolutions in Georgia. Belarus, Checnya, and Moldova/Transnistria. Given that those nations aren’t military powerhouses, that’s pretty weak. This will be followed by separatism in places like Dagestan etc. Note also that concurrent with Russia throwing mobiks into Ukraine we have also stepped up HIMARS and SAMs. This isn’t just a response to Russian terror bombing. They throw more people into the grinder, we grind faster until they collapse. Russia’s only way out is to say uncle, but their arrogance will prevent that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: The only logical explanation I can come up with as to why we haven't sent ATACMS yet is that some elements of the Biden Administration (probably including Biden himself) are stalling. After all, it has to be remembered that Biden was against the raid to get UBL. The Ukrainians likely have very good intelligence as to what's going on deep in Russia's rear, both through NATO and their own SIGINT and HUMINT, hence why they've been begging for ATACMS for months. It's really a shame that we haven't supplied any, and that the Biden Administration has shown no indication that they're going to supply any in the future. Theres a couple explanations 1.Worried the ATACMS might actually be the real Red Line for Russia 2. Desire to save all ATACMs for the fight with China until PrsM is developed 3. Concern ATACMS might end the war too quickly. #3 is the most ruthless but interesting option. Theres a valid case to be made for giving Russia some hope they can win so that they will throw even more resources into the meat grinder, in order to maximize the overall destruction of Russias capabilities. I’ve argued for 3 for most of the thread, however I would question where the line of maximum benefit to the US and Ukraine lies. That is, what level of attrition are we shooting for? They are probably weak enough not to be an immediate threat to Europe (without nukes) but IMO the goal is the final dissolution of the Russian empire. My guess is there are objective goals in place, like “too weak to stop color revolutions in Georgia. Belarus, Checnya, and Moldova/Transnistria. Given that those nations aren’t military powerhouses, that’s pretty weak. This will be followed by separatism in places like Dagestan etc. Note also that concurrent with Russia throwing mobiks into Ukraine we have also stepped up HIMARS and SAMs. This isn’t just a response to Russian terror bombing. They throw more people into the grinder, we grind faster until they collapse. Russia’s only way out is to say uncle, but their arrogance will prevent that. ATACMS went out of production in 2007 and we have yet to field a replacement, so I figure that’s a factor. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 12:22:06 AM EST
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I laughed:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/y5fin7/razzian_nazis_for_you_the_word_ukraine_and_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 If this seems mysterious, its a riff on this youtube meme which has been riffed quite a lot: https://youtu.be/8483vDG5t0g |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 2:16:10 AM EST
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:40:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fssf158: ATACMS went out of production in 2007 and we have yet to field a replacement, so I figure that’s a factor. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fssf158: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: The only logical explanation I can come up with as to why we haven't sent ATACMS yet is that some elements of the Biden Administration (probably including Biden himself) are stalling. After all, it has to be remembered that Biden was against the raid to get UBL. The Ukrainians likely have very good intelligence as to what's going on deep in Russia's rear, both through NATO and their own SIGINT and HUMINT, hence why they've been begging for ATACMS for months. It's really a shame that we haven't supplied any, and that the Biden Administration has shown no indication that they're going to supply any in the future. Theres a couple explanations 1.Worried the ATACMS might actually be the real Red Line for Russia 2. Desire to save all ATACMs for the fight with China until PrsM is developed 3. Concern ATACMS might end the war too quickly. #3 is the most ruthless but interesting option. Theres a valid case to be made for giving Russia some hope they can win so that they will throw even more resources into the meat grinder, in order to maximize the overall destruction of Russias capabilities. I’ve argued for 3 for most of the thread, however I would question where the line of maximum benefit to the US and Ukraine lies. That is, what level of attrition are we shooting for? They are probably weak enough not to be an immediate threat to Europe (without nukes) but IMO the goal is the final dissolution of the Russian empire. My guess is there are objective goals in place, like “too weak to stop color revolutions in Georgia. Belarus, Checnya, and Moldova/Transnistria. Given that those nations aren’t military powerhouses, that’s pretty weak. This will be followed by separatism in places like Dagestan etc. Note also that concurrent with Russia throwing mobiks into Ukraine we have also stepped up HIMARS and SAMs. This isn’t just a response to Russian terror bombing. They throw more people into the grinder, we grind faster until they collapse. Russia’s only way out is to say uncle, but their arrogance will prevent that. ATACMS went out of production in 2007 and we have yet to field a replacement, so I figure that’s a factor. ATACMs went back into production in 2019. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:55:59 AM EST
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Damn. Went up to new Hampshire for a wedding on Friday and just now got caught up.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:57:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: Individualist]
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Don't think this one has been posted?
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Posted: 10/17/2022 5:01:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: ATACMs went back into production in 2019. Following the press releases via google it appears that an order was placed around 2017 for immediate production of new missiles with an airburst feature and for a SLEP to convert DPICM missiles to unitary. By 2019 there were orders from Bulgaria, Romania and Poland with an estimated completion date of June 30, 2022, and in late 2021 Taiwan ordered 64 missiles. Wonder if the line is still open. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 5:21:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: 3000 per day during WW1 was one number I saw. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Originally Posted By GiggleSmith: When you figure that The Ukraine was losing 100 dead per day At The Start, as a whole, that isn't that bad. I remember reading that during the World Wars, about 1,000 soldiers died Per Day, excluding Major Attacks and offenses. What were the causality rates Per Day during the Iran/Iraq war  It’s really astonishing considering this is a “small” regional conflict with a bordering nation. We are seeing losses that sometimes line up with numbers during the biggest wars. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 5:24:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Does DCS count? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By ludder093: Originally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By j_hooker: From what I'm understanding, they're recruiting pilots around the world Wow if they are doing that then their training schools must really suck. Does DCS count? The survival rate for a DCS pilot is probably higher.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 5:27:36 AM EST
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Posted: 10/17/2022 5:28:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Following the press releases via google it appears that an order was placed around 2017 for immediate production of new missiles with an airburst feature and for a SLEP to convert DPICM missiles to unitary. By 2019 there were orders from Bulgaria, Romania and Poland with an estimated completion date of June 30, 2022, and in late 2021 Taiwan ordered 64 missiles. Wonder if the line is still open. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By R0N: ATACMs went back into production in 2019. Following the press releases via google it appears that an order was placed around 2017 for immediate production of new missiles with an airburst feature and for a SLEP to convert DPICM missiles to unitary. By 2019 there were orders from Bulgaria, Romania and Poland with an estimated completion date of June 30, 2022, and in late 2021 Taiwan ordered 64 missiles. Wonder if the line is still open. Yes they are still producing new ATACMS both for domestic (US Army) and foreign contracts. (Bahrain, Poland, Romania). 2019 "Lockheed Martin officials said to meet the increased demand for ATACMS the company is expanding its precision fires manufacturing facility in Camden, Arkansas, to include capacity to produce ATACMS." https://www.defensedaily.com/army-awards-lockheed-martin-562-million-atacms-including-sales-bahrain-poland-romania/international/ |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 5:32:09 AM EST
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"A very careless step": Medvedev scares Israel over aid to Ukraine
The ex-president of Russia and deputy head of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmytro Medvedev said that the transfer of military aid to Ukraine from Israel would destroy all relations between this country and Russia. He wrote about this in Telegram. "It seems that Israel is going to supply weapons to the Kyiv regime. It is a very reckless step. It will destroy all interstate relations between our countries," Medvedev emphasized. https://www.unian.ua/world/izrajil-ukrajina-medvedyev-prigroziv-izrajilyu-cherez-viyskovu-dopomogu-ukrajini-12014241.html |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 5:58:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: HIPPO]
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— Euan MacDonald (@Euan_MacDonald) October 17, 2022
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Posted: 10/17/2022 6:15:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Individualist: "A very careless step": Medvedev scares Israel over aid to Ukraine The ex-president of Russia and deputy head of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmytro Medvedev said that the transfer of military aid to Ukraine from Israel would destroy all relations between this country and Russia. He wrote about this in Telegram. "It seems that Israel is going to supply weapons to the Kyiv regime. It is a very reckless step. It will destroy all interstate relations between our countries," Medvedev emphasized. https://www.unian.ua/world/izrajil-ukrajina-medvedyev-prigroziv-izrajilyu-cherez-viyskovu-dopomogu-ukrajini-12014241.html Which burns bridges faster, Russia or HIMARS? |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 6:16:25 AM EST
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Posted: 10/17/2022 6:18:50 AM EST
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Posted: 10/17/2022 6:21:20 AM EST
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Posted: 10/17/2022 6:21:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Individualist: "A very careless step": Medvedev scares Israel over aid to Ukraine The ex-president of Russia and deputy head of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmytro Medvedev said that the transfer of military aid to Ukraine from Israel would destroy all relations between this country and Russia. He wrote about this in Telegram. "It seems that Israel is going to supply weapons to the Kyiv regime. It is a very reckless step. It will destroy all interstate relations between our countries," Medvedev emphasized. https://www.unian.ua/world/izrajil-ukrajina-medvedyev-prigroziv-izrajilyu-cherez-viyskovu-dopomogu-ukrajini-12014241.html The Israelies should know the vast majority of antisemitism today comes from russian propaganda trolls. Nearly every pro russian troll i know thinks all of this is part of a jew conspiracy to control the world. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 6:27:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AgeOne: The Israelies should know the vast majority of antisemitism today comes from russian propaganda trolls. Nearly every pro russian troll i know thinks all of this is part of a jew conspiracy to control the world. Like the NAZIs ? Wow |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 6:35:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Which burns bridges faster, Russia or HIMARS? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Individualist: "A very careless step": Medvedev scares Israel over aid to Ukraine The ex-president of Russia and deputy head of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmytro Medvedev said that the transfer of military aid to Ukraine from Israel would destroy all relations between this country and Russia. He wrote about this in Telegram. "It seems that Israel is going to supply weapons to the Kyiv regime. It is a very reckless step. It will destroy all interstate relations between our countries," Medvedev emphasized. https://www.unian.ua/world/izrajil-ukrajina-medvedyev-prigroziv-izrajilyu-cherez-viyskovu-dopomogu-ukrajini-12014241.html Which burns bridges faster, Russia or HIMARS? I suspect that Israel is more concerned about a nuclear Iran than some rhetoric from a pariah state with third rate weapons. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 6:48:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Featureless: I remain flummoxed by the ability of the world to both move into WWI, seeing the political and technological changes from the mid 19th century or so and then after the carnage of WWI, move so quickly into WWII. So does the world, I think. Hence the incredibly strong anti-appeasement sentiment in world politics since. (Not saying that's wrong either, see the outcome of appeasement involving Crimea in 2014). |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:02:58 AM EST
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:04:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
— Euan MacDonald (@Euan_MacDonald) October 17, 2022
“Doodlebug” is perfect. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:10:33 AM EST
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:16:16 AM EST
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"He was not a terrorist, he was an immigrant who was forcibly taken away." The murdered Tajik was identified in Belgorod
https://www.ozodi.org/a/32087649.html Radio Ozodi, with the help of users, identified one of the Tajiks killed in the Belgorod training camp, and he is Ehson Aminzoda (Ehsoni Tajiddin), a 24-year-old citizen of Tajikistan. A source close to the investigative authorities of Russia also confirmed the news in an interview with Radio Ozodi. He also provided us with a list of all those killed in the Belgorod training camp, mostly Russian citizens. According to him, another killed Tajik is 23-year-old Mehrob Rahmonov. The attack on the Belgorod training camp took place on October 15. Russian officials called it the work of two citizens of the Commonwealth of Independent States and a "terrorist attack", but did not name any country. Relatives of Ehson Aminzoda (Ehsoni Tajiddin) say, "he worked in a restaurant based on a patent and had no intention of going to the war in Ukraine." They said that he "disappeared" on October 10 near the Lublino metro station in Moscow, and the news of his death was reported by the Russian authorities on October 16. Tajiddin Aminzoda, Ehson's father, who works in the government of Khatlon region, confirmed the news of his son's death in a phone call on October 17, but said that his mental state does not allow him to talk about his son. Firuz Aminzoda, brother of Ehson Aminzoda, told Radio Ozodi from Moscow on October 17 that he went to Russia seven months ago and worked in a restaurant. "My brother did not have Russian citizenship and worked with a patent. Now I was called to the Military Prosecutor's Office. We don't know how he appeared in Belgorod. My brother was not a terrorist, nor did he have such thoughts. He was an ordinary immigrant who wanted to work and build his life," he added. Aminzoda said that last Sunday, October 10, after work, his brother said he was going to visit his friends, and that's why his phone went off. He said that his brother "was not a bigoted person". A friend of Ehsan, who did not want to be named, told Radio Ozodi that he never intended to go to war and wanted to earn money as soon as possible and go to Tajikistan to marry his lover. "We were all in shock. We were looking for him and thought he might have gone to some friend or to Tajikistan. We wanted to announce that he was missing. He didn't have extreme views and was like other young people. If he was very religious, he would be in a restaurant. did it work?" -- he said. The attack at the Belgorod training camp took place on October 15 this year, and the Russian authorities called it the work of two citizens of the Commonwealth of Independent States and a "terrorist attack". Oleksiy Arestovich, adviser to Volodymyr Zelenskyi, President of Ukraine, said that the attackers were from Tajikistan and opened fire on their colleagues after a dispute over religion. Tajik authorities say that they are investigating the involvement of citizens of the country in the attack on Belgorod. The press office of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Tajikistan wrote in a letter to Radio Ozodi on October 17, "the embassy in Moscow is trying to determine the involvement of citizens of Tajikistan in the incident." |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:18:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: “Doodlebug” is perfect. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
— Euan MacDonald (@Euan_MacDonald) October 17, 2022
“Doodlebug” is perfect. It was also the nickname for the V1 that the nazis used against England in a similarly inaccurate manner so it fits any way you look at it. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:20:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vahog: So does the world, I think. Hence the incredibly strong anti-appeasement sentiment in world politics since. (Not saying that's wrong either, see the outcome of appeasement involving Crimea in 2014). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vahog: Originally Posted By Featureless: I remain flummoxed by the ability of the world to both move into WWI, seeing the political and technological changes from the mid 19th century or so and then after the carnage of WWI, move so quickly into WWII. So does the world, I think. Hence the incredibly strong anti-appeasement sentiment in world politics since. (Not saying that's wrong either, see the outcome of appeasement involving Crimea in 2014). WWI was probably more “inevitable” than WW2. You had clashing European empires behaving like European empires had behaved for 1000 years, while technology had undergone a revolution only within the last 50 years or so. WW1 mostly finished off the European empires although we are seeing the last (Russia) finished off now. WW2 was probably preventable with a more foresighted interwar arrangement and stronger action sooner by the Allies. We learned the lessons of appeasement, but only barely. The Ukraine war could’ve been prevented with stronger action sooner. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:39:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: I'm imagining Bayraktars dropping cupcakes with notes in Korean saying come to our side we have cake. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Tuco22: Operation Big Mac Choco-pies from South Korea. They actually became a form of currency in NoKo so the Regime banned them. Have the manufacturer print up a special wrapper promising a month’s supply if they redeem the wrapper by surrendering. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:42:14 AM EST
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What is Belarus Capable of In the Event of a War Against Ukraine
"Either the strike group of the Kremlin led by the Belarusian army will be able to rapidly break through on one part of the front, but then even more rapidly retreat back. Or the russian generals will "smear" their strike group along the wide front line, and then the end of the Belarusian army in Ukraine will be even more inglorious. According to the example of how russia's 3rd Army Corps was "wiped out" literally in a month of fighting, during the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Kharkiv Oblast in September 2022." |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:45:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: Prime]
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The Ministry of Defense of Belarus spoke about the deployment of a regional group
https://ria.ru/20221017/belorussiya-1824618121.html MINSK, October 17 - RIA Novosti. The Ministry of Defense of Belarus held a briefing for military diplomats accredited in the republic, during which it informed about the procedure and places for the deployment of the regional grouping of troops of the Union State in Belarus, the press service of the Belarusian defense department reports on Monday. The briefing was held by Assistant Minister of Defense for International Military Cooperation, Colonel Valery Revenko. "19 foreign military diplomats accredited at the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Belarus took part in the event. Foreign military representatives were informed in detail about the procedure and places for the deployment of a regional group of troops (forces) on the territory of the Republic of Belarus, the operational and combat training activities planned to be carried out by the group" , - said in a message published on Monday. Colonel Revenko noted the high level of tension around Belarus, which necessitated the adoption of a set of additional strategic containment measures aimed at preventing the situation from destabilizing and unleashing military aggression against the republic and the Union State. "The Assistant Minister of Defense emphasized that the decision to deploy the RGV (C) (regional grouping of troops (forces) - ed.) was made and is being implemented solely to strengthen the defense of the borders of the Union State," the press service said. On October 10, President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko announced that he had agreed with Russian President Vladimir Putin on the involvement of a regional group of troops in connection with the aggravation of the situation on the western borders of the Union State. The Belarusian Defense Ministry clarified that the total number of Russian military personnel in the joint regional grouping of troops in Belarus will be slightly less than 9 thousand.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:49:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: Prime]
[#40]
That last line is what they call “foreshadowing”
  New target-I-mean-bridge
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:01:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By torstin: I think the info graphics show Russia losing around 250 planes. Is it really possible they don't have enough pilots? In the 2008 Georgia war, the Georgians shot down and captured a pilot they found was one of Russia’s most senior Flight Instructors. They probably do have a pilot problem. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:09:16 AM EST
[#42]
They paid ~ $20k for a PR loss.
It looks weak to team Russia and makes them an asshole to anyone else. 
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:20:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: Prime]
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RU TG, Rybar map
The situation as of 12.00 October 17, 2022. In the Zaporozhye direction, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are conducting positional defense and strengthening the grouping of troops. ▪️250 mobilized citizens were transferred to Kamyshevakh to complete the 9th separate special-purpose regiment of the National Guard of Ukraine.100 of them will be distributed to the assault groups on the front lines in the coming days.Several dozen people are planned to be sent to Malaya Tokmachka to replenish the strength of the 2nd battalion of the 9th op NGU.Russian artillery attacked the battalion's stronghold and killed more than ten servicemen. ▪️Due to the increase in the intensity of attacks by the RF Armed Forces, an AN / TPQ-36 counter-battery radar was deployed in the vicinity of Odarovka.And to counter the Russian Geran-2 UAVs, the Strela-10 air defense system was deployed in Dimitrovo. ▪️In the Gulyai-Polye sector, two crews of M777 howitzers and several 120-mm mortars were transferred to the 44th separate artillery brigade to the 102nd TRO Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. ▪️Informants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to operate in Vasilievsky and Kamensko-Dniprovsky districts of the Zaporozhye region, transmitting data on the movement and deployment of Russian troops. ▪️On the right bank of the Dnieper, the additional equipment of the fortified area has begun: the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine predicts an offensive by the Russian Armed Forces on Zaporizhzhia with the subsequent forcing of the Dnieper.The fortified area should prevent the RF Armed Forces from occupying the right-bank Zaporozhye and reaching Nikopol. 
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:26:03 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
— Euan MacDonald (@Euan_MacDonald) October 17, 2022
How are these slipping into Kyiv… |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:27:37 AM EST
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Never seen a drone destroyed like this, not sure which side it belongs to but either way it is an impressive strike.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:31:52 AM EST
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:34:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Never seen a drone destroyed like this, not sure which side it belongs to but either way it is an impressive strike.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D3w3LHXGZcGot hit with a man portable sam from the left side of the frame. It was a big drone, and skylined so the thermal sensor saw it. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:38:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: How are these slipping into Kyiv… Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
— Euan MacDonald (@Euan_MacDonald) October 17, 2022
How are these slipping into Kyiv… Staying at pretty low altitude their entire flight, they are physically smaller than a man and made of some composites and plastic, which makes them difficult to detect on Soviet SAM radar systems. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:38:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Eh who knows. Soviet Union was far a bigger collapse and it ceased to exist without so much as a whimper. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By atavistic: Re: #3, I suspect we don't have a plan for Eurasia politically blasting itself apart. Russia failing in a matter of months is the power vacuum of all power vacuums across the greatest land mass on earth. Eh who knows. Soviet Union was far a bigger collapse and it ceased to exist without so much as a whimper. Gorbachov had cred with the West as a “reformer”, Putin has no friends in the West except the puffers. This is shaping up to be 1917 v2.0: The Electric Boogaloo. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:38:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: How are these slipping into Kyiv… Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
— Euan MacDonald (@Euan_MacDonald) October 17, 2022
How are these slipping into Kyiv… “Quantity has a quality all its own”.
See AT’s post as way better evidence for that argument. |
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