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Originally Posted By NotMrWizard: I'm sure it depends on elevation of the muzzle, but when they are ripping them off like that, what is the dispersion from one to the next? Say you're lobbing them 3-400 yards away, what is the group size for lack of a better term? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By NotMrWizard: Originally Posted By m35ben: I'm sure it depends on elevation of the muzzle, but when they are ripping them off like that, what is the dispersion from one to the next? Say you're lobbing them 3-400 yards away, what is the group size for lack of a better term? A vid from Iraq: MK 19 Grenade Launcher Unleashed During Surge In Ramadi |
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Originally Posted By m35ben: Sounds like they are planning to lose the town. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgpKgfEWIAARwcJ?format=png&name=medium I'm thinking they removed it hoping that building wasn't targeted. Everything I have read so far points to the Russian's fighting a guerilla urban war in Kherson. Soldiers wearing civilian clothes and living in civilian apartments makes me believe they want to slow the Ukrainian armed forces to a crawl. Ukraine should destroy gas, electric and water supplies to the city now. Winter is coming.... |
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Originally Posted By Dominion21: I agree, and I believe Putin promised assistance with Iran's nuclear weapons program. - maybe scientific guidance - maybe highly refined Uranium, or - maybe functioning nuclear weapons (with or without a uranium core). - maybe help getting an Iranian nuke on one of the Iranian's ballistic missiles. In any event, it took more than just money to persuade the Iranians to give this much assistance to Russia at this time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By crwdplsr: Originally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By borderpatrol: Start killing their engineers, destroying their factories, sabotaging their computer systems, sinking any vessels and downing any air transport, setting their oil fields on fire and otherwise doing what should have been done since 1979. AGREED They are such assholes, Ukraine has never done a thing to Iran, even after Iran shot down their passenger plane full of Iranians and Canadians after Solemani got smoked. Iran is in it to gain something from Russia ..hopefully history will show they chose poorly But something is in it for the Iranians besides money I agree, and I believe Putin promised assistance with Iran's nuclear weapons program. - maybe scientific guidance - maybe highly refined Uranium, or - maybe functioning nuclear weapons (with or without a uranium core). - maybe help getting an Iranian nuke on one of the Iranian's ballistic missiles. In any event, it took more than just money to persuade the Iranians to give this much assistance to Russia at this time. |
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Originally Posted By 74HC: Bloody IDs? How about officer scalps? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 74HC: Originally Posted By BlackHoleSon: Sounds like drone dropped leaflets saying "meet at this coordinates, $500 to surrender. $10,000 for the bloody ID of your superior officers" would be a big incentive ears and noses.... |
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My buddies wife is working for a merry maid type of company in budapest with other Ukranian refugee ladies when she told me that they encountered airBnB flats being rented by orcs escaping the war
She can see that they are trying their best to get funds from Sber bank and other Russian banks in Hungary and also living pretty frugally. She knows that in one of the better flats is Russian Dumas son and daughter and this guys all pro nuke Ukraine. I told her to report it to the UA embassy and let their intelligence people know. She is amazed that they think and say out aloud about Hungarians while they are in the flats cleaning it. They are not our friends........ I told my Kepviselo multiple times about Orcs in Hungary and her office keeps brushing me off. I've reported this to TEK, Hungary's counter intelligence unit and anti terrorist unit. I will see what happens. |
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Originally Posted By SoCalExile: 3-400 meters is still kinda close for those, the max range is 2212m. The grenades have a 5m kill radius and IIRC a 15m wound radius. The guy in the video isn't using his T&E so he's letting them spread out. A vid from Iraq: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i6foDtOg9c View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SoCalExile: Originally Posted By NotMrWizard: Originally Posted By m35ben: I'm sure it depends on elevation of the muzzle, but when they are ripping them off like that, what is the dispersion from one to the next? Say you're lobbing them 3-400 yards away, what is the group size for lack of a better term? A vid from Iraq: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i6foDtOg9c I approve this message.... |
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Needs more wings View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fgl3rCDXoAAj46a?format=jpg&name=medium Needs more wings He needs to get our of that horses mouth. And more wings! |
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Originally Posted By NotMrWizard: I'm sure it depends on elevation of the muzzle, but when they are ripping them off like that, what is the dispersion from one to the next? Say you're lobbing them 3-400 yards away, what is the group size for lack of a better term? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By borderpatrol: Israel and the USA support each other, the only stooge is pretty obvious. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Israel is in a pickle! Bibis back The Bibi's back, and you're gonna be in trouble. Hey na, hey na, the Bibi's back. [removed] Israel and the USA support each other, the only stooge is pretty obvious. If that were true they would have given a shit pile more of their weapons and not stood in the way of spike transfer to Ukraine. Israel only cares about Israel unlike the other nations. |
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Originally Posted By stgdz: If that were true they would have given a shit pile more of their weapons and not stood in the way of spike transfer to Ukraine. Israel only cares about Israel unlike the other nations. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Israel is in a pickle! Bibis back The Bibi's back, and you're gonna be in trouble. Hey na, hey na, the Bibi's back. So does that mean we get to be Israelis stooges again and invade a new country? Israel and the USA support each other, the only stooge is pretty obvious. If that were true they would have given a shit pile more of their weapons and not stood in the way of spike transfer to Ukraine. Israel only cares about Israel unlike the other nations. Israel will only care about Ukraine when it effects them. on a logical side, them wasting drones in the Ukraine is logically sound because they aren't using it against Israel is my best guest. What is the goal in helping Ukraine for Israel? What do they get out of it? Don't get me wrong, I want Israel to help Ukraine but I am only seeing them only doing things if it effects their own security and so far, the Persian perversions staying busy in Ukraine with their stuff means Israel is not on their sights. |
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Originally Posted By Circuits: Dat crater, yo! View Quote
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Originally Posted By Jozsi: Israel will only care about Ukraine when it effects them. on a logical side, them wasting drones in the Ukraine is logically sound because they aren't using it against Israel is my best guest. What is the goal in helping Ukraine for Israel? What do they get out of it? Don't get me wrong, I want Israel to help Ukraine but I am only seeing them only doing things if it effects their own security and so far, the Persian perversions staying busy in Ukraine with their stuff means Israel is not on their sights. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Jozsi: Originally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Israel is in a pickle! Bibis back The Bibi's back, and you're gonna be in trouble. Hey na, hey na, the Bibi's back. So does that mean we get to be Israelis stooges again and invade a new country? Israel and the USA support each other, the only stooge is pretty obvious. If that were true they would have given a shit pile more of their weapons and not stood in the way of spike transfer to Ukraine. Israel only cares about Israel unlike the other nations. Israel will only care about Ukraine when it effects them. on a logical side, them wasting drones in the Ukraine is logically sound because they aren't using it against Israel is my best guest. What is the goal in helping Ukraine for Israel? What do they get out of it? Don't get me wrong, I want Israel to help Ukraine but I am only seeing them only doing things if it effects their own security and so far, the Persian perversions staying busy in Ukraine with their stuff means Israel is not on their sights. Maybe not directly….but “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” applies here. No brainer. If Russia is assisting Iran’s nuclear ambitions then your going to have to do something about it. Possibly to Iran first and then Russia…..whether Israeli “wants” to or not. |
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Originally Posted By kncook: Maybe not directly….but “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” applies here. No brainer. If Russia is assisting Iran’s nuclear ambitions then your going to have to do something about it. Possibly to Iran first and then Russia…..whether Israeli “wants” to or not. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By Jozsi: Originally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Israel is in a pickle! Bibis back The Bibi's back, and you're gonna be in trouble. Hey na, hey na, the Bibi's back. So does that mean we get to be Israelis stooges again and invade a new country? Israel and the USA support each other, the only stooge is pretty obvious. If that were true they would have given a shit pile more of their weapons and not stood in the way of spike transfer to Ukraine. Israel only cares about Israel unlike the other nations. Israel will only care about Ukraine when it effects them. on a logical side, them wasting drones in the Ukraine is logically sound because they aren't using it against Israel is my best guest. What is the goal in helping Ukraine for Israel? What do they get out of it? Don't get me wrong, I want Israel to help Ukraine but I am only seeing them only doing things if it effects their own security and so far, the Persian perversions staying busy in Ukraine with their stuff means Israel is not on their sights. Maybe not directly….but “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” applies here. No brainer. If Russia is assisting Iran’s nuclear ambitions then your going to have to do something about it. Possibly to Iran first and then Russia…..whether Israeli “wants” to or not. hmmm.. Israel Shin Bet and Mossad knew about Hezbollah was gonna take out the Marine Barracks and the French paratrooper, they got intelligence on it and they didn't give the warning to the US or France. It would be nice if Israel can do more but ever since the USS Liberty and other wacko stuff, they only care about their own interest and nothing else. |
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IAEA Finds no evidence Ukraine was building a dirty bomb.
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Originally Posted By sq40: I would love to own one. It’s probably the coolest idea since the Ma Deuce. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Every video I have seen coming out of Ukraine using the Mk-19 are whole belt rips. They absolutely love the MK19! I would love to own one. It’s probably the coolest idea since the Ma Deuce. Heresy! |
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Originally Posted By stgdz: If that were true they would have given a shit pile more of their weapons and not stood in the way of spike transfer to Ukraine. Israel only cares about Israel unlike the other nations. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Israel is in a pickle! Bibis back The Bibi's back, and you're gonna be in trouble. Hey na, hey na, the Bibi's back. So does that mean we get to be Israelis stooges again and invade a new country? Israel and the USA support each other, the only stooge is pretty obvious. If that were true they would have given a shit pile more of their weapons and not stood in the way of spike transfer to Ukraine. Israel only cares about Israel unlike the other nations. No. If anyone follows the actual history of Israel/USA defense measures, they will understand that the USA does the heavy lifting when times get hard, Israel does surgical strikes when needed. They are our unsinkable aircraft carrier in the middle East. Reducing their stockpiles of conventional weapons is not needed, or even wanted, now. |
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Originally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Israel is in a pickle! Bibis back The Bibi's back, and you're gonna be in trouble. Hey na, hey na, the Bibi's back. [removed] That's a rather obvious troll/derail attempt. |
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Originally Posted By vahog: Why "cellophane" for trenching? To keep water out? Is it mistranslated from something like Tyvek? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By vahog: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Morale is high...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FglRoRCWYAIjCiB?format=jpg&name=small Why "cellophane" for trenching? To keep water out? Is it mistranslated from something like Tyvek? |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
View Quote Looks like mid summer time not recent |
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Originally Posted By Shockergd: So........ A friend of mine years ago was working for a few independent companies was working on high-loiter military drones. He informed me today, out of the blue, he's heading to Ukraine to help with drone production/ideation/etc for drone based weapon platforms. QUITE interesting, the guy is very, very smart, and has been working on hair-brained schemes for space-planes for the past 5 years, in the 5-ish years prior, his military drones were pretty fantastic (Imagine two engine, two-stroke drones with 2000+ miles of range, with enough payload to do something useful). I, generally, am curious how much of a conversation I can have with him (Who's an Australian national) with regards to weapons and blowing stuff up? I can't get in trouble with ITAR or similar for giving him ideas on how to blow people up, can I? View Quote Thoughts are not regulated by ITAR |
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Originally Posted By AROKIE: Looks like mid summer time not recent View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Looks like mid summer time not recent I thought so too, but satellite data actually puts the date to October 18th
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Originally Posted By borderpatrol: Israel has many options that they are not shy to use. The US isn't shy either when it comes to using Israel as its proxy. There has been a very even hand when it comes to dealing with Iran for over 40 years now. Their behavior both at home and abroad has been reprehensible. They have never been called to the carpet and punished anywhere close to the level of their disrepute. Selective assassinations of chief military and nuclear personnel isn't anywhere close to dealing with them as a nation. If they continue on the course of becoming a nuclear power, I suspect they will be set on fire and turned to rubble. Lately their citizens seem to be finally fed up with medieval religious practices, they naturally return to the human fold without any outside intervention. I'm not holding my breath. View Quote Will the Xiden Admin. support Israel if they decide to strike Iran? I think not. I bet "we" have warned Israel to play nice while we help Iran get nukes. For some reason the FBHO/Xiden gang are obsessed with helping Iran while hurting Israel. |
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Originally Posted By jpk33: This may draw in the Israelis to protect their interests by using preemptive strikes inn Iran. View Quote Yes. I think (prior to this latest RU/IRCG merger) Israel has been playing it cool. They have intel deep in Iran and had a reliable timetable for when Iran could produce some nukes. But I'm sure Russia has totally throwed that out the window and contingency plans for "5 years from now" are being moved up drastically. I dont think Israel could so anything decisive without the full support of the USA, even with the help of the Saudi's etc. I bet they are trying to hold on until the 2024 elections but may run out of time. |
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Originally Posted By Jozsi: My buddies wife is working for a merry maid type of company in budapest with other Ukranian refugee ladies when she told me that they encountered airBnB flats being rented by orcs escaping the war She can see that they are trying their best to get funds from Sber bank and other Russian banks in Hungary and also living pretty frugally. She knows that in one of the better flats is Russian Dumas son and daughter and this guys all pro nuke Ukraine. I told her to report it to the UA embassy and let their intelligence people know. She is amazed that they think and say out aloud about Hungarians while they are in the flats cleaning it. They are not our friends........ I told my Kepviselo multiple times about Orcs in Hungary and her office keeps brushing me off. I've reported this to TEK, Hungary's counter intelligence unit and anti terrorist unit. I will see what happens. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Dominion21: Just speculation here, but if the Ukrainians had any exposure to belt fed grenade launchers before the Mk-19, it was with this full-auto only, Russian 30mm grenade launcher: http://www.military-today.com/firearms/ags_30_l3.jpg https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.Hnbgo-P0H_nFltLBlxFk2gHaFj%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=1fabec86965fd39190617fecbef9474b221608a44310580c2b28b98f284a01ec&ipo=images https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGS-30 It has a 2,100 meter effective range. Almost every photo I’ve seen of this thing shows it angled at maximum elevation. Seems like the Ukrainians (an probably the Russian’s) think of grenade launchers as indirect-fire weapons, mostly for area denial. Or, maybe like a mini full-auto mortar. US soldiers I’ve seen firing the Mk-19 all seem to focus much more on aiming the gun as carefully as they can, and using short bursts or even single shots at targets they can see. Even the videos where US troops are under fire, their training kicks in, and they are firing controlled, aimed bursts. But: whatever works for the Ukrainians. I am happy to send them more Mk-19s to use on Orcs. View Quote My favorite Ukrainian use of the Auto grenade launcher was from earlier this year was them shooting it at max theoretical range, and correcting fire from a small hobby drone on one lone Russian, fire a shot or two observe impact, again, again until the drone guy on his Iphone yells, right there, right there!! and dude lets the rest of the belt rip. War is sometimes like a big college prank. |
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream: That's not on my list. I was thinking it was LockMart. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Star_Scream: Originally Posted By easttxshooter: Aerojet Rocketdyne, AJRD. https://www.rocket.com/defense/tactical-missiles That's not on my list. I was thinking it was LockMart. Yea, you have to start looking at the various components of these systems to see if you want to invest in the subcontractors that make them. Another alternative is FSDAX (Fidelity Select Defense and Aerospace) mutual fund that invests in multiple American defense industries. https://fundresearch.fidelity.com/mutual-funds/summary/316390806 |
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Of course they didn't, I have to wonder if they maintained any of them. While the "they only need 1% to work" is a valid argument, what if it's not even close to that. The atuff they knew they'd need to use was/is shit, can't imagine stuff they think will never be used would get any attention. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Someone said that it would cost 40% of Russias military budget to maintain their nuclear arsenal. If they can’t maintain their own military with the rest of the 60%, what makes anyone think they can maintain their nukes? Of course they didn't, I have to wonder if they maintained any of them. While the "they only need 1% to work" is a valid argument, what if it's not even close to that. The atuff they knew they'd need to use was/is shit, can't imagine stuff they think will never be used would get any attention. Didn’t Hilary under Obama make a uranium deal with Russia and most of it was from their nuclear arsenal to use in our reactors for energy?? Wouldn’t it be great if that through their corruption, they sold off a huge amount but, still have it in their books as on hand, and what’s left wasn’t maintained. |
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View Quote Russia is going to make going in there as ugly as possible. |
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Of course they didn't, I have to wonder if they maintained any of them. While the "they only need 1% to work" is a valid argument, what if it's not even close to that. The atuff they knew they'd need to use was/is shit, can't imagine stuff they think will never be used would get any attention. View Quote "failure to maintain" doesn't mean "the nukes don't go boom" it means the yields are lowered from their design expectations. 1MT becomes 200KT, or maybe down to 100KT. The end state potentially turns a nuke warhead into a simple dirty bomb. The only positive benefit "failure to maintain" buys the west is if their launch vehicles fail to launch, or self-destruct on the way to the target. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I thought so too, but satellite data actually puts the date to October 18th
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Looks like mid summer time not recent I thought so too, but satellite data actually puts the date to October 18th
Well I stand corrected, thank you good sir... you just never know lol |
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Originally Posted By AROKIE: Well I stand corrected, thank you good sir... you just never know lol View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Looks like mid summer time not recent I thought so too, but satellite data actually puts the date to October 18th
Well I stand corrected, thank you good sir... you just never know lol lol, me too, I'm surprised how people can check weather and time lapse satellite imagery, then geo locate the exact field the artillery piece was in and look at how the field was maintained until one artillery piece got struck and the weather conditions at the time of the strike. |
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View Quote VERY rewarding. I wondered if they all went off or maybe some landed 3Km away... |
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