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Posted: 6/3/2023 8:23:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: I do sometimes wonder why the US mil hasnt created a targeting system that can track/lock ~50 targets with a sort of Javelin-ER (like an extra 500-1000 meters). It would be neat is some type of "AWACS" drone ID's and designates targets and the various ground vehicles fire whatever they have, either 140mm, 155mm, Switchblade 600 type, or whatever all without ever seeing the enemy or being seen. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 8:33:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XeroSygnal: I've been saying this for years... open up the troop compartment on a surplus M113 and vertically mount however many Javelins as you can there (12? 16?). Kind of like the Vertical Launch System (VLS) on warships. Have a separate aiming unit (wireless if possible but if not then on a long cable) that can be dismounted from the M113 so that whomever is aiming and launching can do so from cover / concealment while the vehicle sits hull down or behind a building. Very good. I could see a future battlefield where the infantry just laze targets instead of shooting bullets or grenades at each other. Their primary "rifle" is a laser designator and they just laze enemy positions, tanks, bunkers, anything and everything while some track or "drone carrier" to the rear is just disgorging drones that swarm out hitting the targets. Probably a retarded idea. But with so many drones, AI, and all the other crazy new shit that someone crawling around in the mud trying to put a little piece of lead into another idiot just seems so old fashioned. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 8:38:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:01:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JQ66: Because as long as its not a humilating route of the Ukrainians, he doesnt care. It won't be another bloack mark on his hideous legacy, like the afghanistan abandonment was. He doesnt care that slow walking weapons is causing more civilian casualties by prolonging the fighting. And you can't dismiss the possibility that this POS is asking for tribute (kickback $j to provide the protection/new weapons. Always a mafia POS slime, thats all he ever has been. I have the same fears and beliefs about our current admin. Their PRIMARY GOAL is to just survive this politically. Their constituents in the dnc are 50% pacifists, beatniks, anti-military "code pink" types who hate all things military and dont believe in the concept of defense (self or national) and actual communist revolutionaries while the other 50% are do-gooder liberal types who see Putin as "make Russia great again conservative" that need to be shut down. So Xiden is trying to thread a needle to make everyone a little happy or only a little upset but keep his coalition together through 2024. If 1 million more Ukrainians have to die so he can stay in power another 4 years to protect his family from prosecution then so be it. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:12:19 AM EDT
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This drone-on-drone dogfight in Ukraine is a glimpse of the future of war
Early this week the Ukrainian armed forces posted a short video to social media showing its drones in operation, flying over convoys, surveilling battlefields and in one brief bit of footage, taking out a Russian drone by crashing into it at top speed. The video, set to electronic music, offers a glimpse into the low-tech approach soldiers are taking to dealing with high-tech tools. The footage of the specific incident is short but shows what is starting to happen more and more in Ukraine. With both Russia and Ukraine making heavy use of uncrewed aerial vehicles, UAV dogfights are starting to pop up as the two warring parties try to keep the skies clear. It’s a risky strategy, given that both drones will likely be taken out, and a pretty rudimentary solution for dealing with 21st century technology. But if it’s dumb and it works, it’s not dumb.  ????????? ??????-????????? ??? «?» ??? ??????? ????????? ????? ?????? ?? ????????? Given the damage drones can do, counter-drone defenses have become a priority as the war has dragged on. Beyond electronic countermeasures, both sides have tried to shoot down enemy UAVs. Given that many are quite small, that can be a challenge, as can trying to ram a similarly small quadcopter into another. However it’s clear that is being tried, and somehow working. Often drones end up targeting groups on the ground, not each other. Ukraine recently used its drone arsenal to strike Russian assets in the east and in Crimea. Both sides in the war are using uncrewed surface vessels and aerial vehicles for a variety of purposes — for reconnaissance, as targeting systems for older artillery systems and to launch attacks on ground forces. Every so often the drones themselves are the weapons, smashing into the targets. Continued... https://taskandpurpose.com/news/drone-dogfights-ukraine/ |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:15:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I agree, I'm just as fascinated by all this, seeing what equipment of theirs and ours works, and what doesn't and why. The tactics being used, etc. A lot to learn from in many various fields of study. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By mancow: Anyone else still amazed at what we are seeing? It's our entire lives of growing up during the cold war and all the threatened conventional forces battles played out in real time and we can watch in near real time in HD. Of course, like everything else nobody I know seems to care but to me this is the single most interesting thing I've witnessed in my entire life. FINALLY, the curtain is pulled back and we can see what is really there and we know now for sure t isn't 'shit. They must have been paralyzed in fear all those years seeing what we have. I agree, I'm just as fascinated by all this, seeing what equipment of theirs and ours works, and what doesn't and why. The tactics being used, etc. A lot to learn from in many various fields of study. The AA equation is enlightening but not surprising. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:16:14 AM EDT
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World class trolling.
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:19:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I agree and have said the same thing. But it's an old Russian tradition NOT to allow civilians to evacuate (until it's too late). So it will be fun to watch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Lt General Ben Hodges doesn't think Ukraine is going to target the Kerch bridge. Makes a fair argument that the Ukrainians would want to keep it open so the Russian troops and civilians can evacuate on it after the land bridge and ship supplies to Crimea are cut off. I agree and have said the same thing. But it's an old Russian tradition NOT to allow civilians to evacuate (until it's too late). So it will be fun to watch. As long as Black Sea Fleet is destroyed I am cool with it ... you always have to have an "olive branch" in your pocket to become the victor ... |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:20:57 AM EDT
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Milley: tanks, F-16s coming, but not in time for Ukraine offensive
PARIS — America’s top military officer says training for Ukrainian forces on advanced U.S. Abrams tanks has started, but those those weapons crucial over the long term in trying to expel Russia from occupied territory will not be ready in time for Kyiv’s imminent counteroffensive. The tank training got underway as the United States and its allies began to work out agreements to train Ukrainians on F-16 fighter jets, another long-sought advanced system. Those aircraft would be part of a security plan to deter future attacks, U.S. Army Gen. Mark Milley said late Thursday as he arrived in France. “Everyone recognizes Ukraine needs a modernized Air Force,” said Milley, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff. “It’s going to take a considerable amount of time.” The intent is to provide capabilities for Ukraine in the mid- to long-term, said Nicolas Vaujour, a vice admiral who is chief operations of France’s Joint Staff and spoke to reporters traveling with Milley. Milley said detailed planning on the size of F-16 training classes, the types of flying tactics and locations for training was being worked out among the U.S. and allies such as the Netherlands and Britain that have pledged to provide the American-made F-16s. The United States has not said whether it will directly provide jets, but President Joe Biden has said the U.S. will support F-16 training as part of the coalition. As those logistics are figured out, the Abrams tank training is moving ahead. About 200 Ukrainian soldiers began an approximately 12-week training course in Germany over the past weekend where they are learning how to maneuver, fire and conduct combined arms operations with the advanced armored system. An additional 200 troops are receiving training on tank fueling and fuel truck maintenance. The U.S. training schedule is timed to get the troops up to speed on the systems before 31 of the 70-ton Abrams tanks the Biden administration has promised to Ukraine are scheduled arrive by this fall. Those tanks will make up part of a force of about 300 tanks in total pledged by Western allies including Challenger tanks from the United Kingdom, Leopard 2 tanks from Spain and Germany, and light tanks from France. The U.S. and its allies balked for months at providing such tanks, citing the significant maintenance and fueling challenges the systems require. Abrams tanks can burn through fuel at a rate of at least 2 gallons per mile (4.7 liters per kilometer), whether the tank is moving or idling. That means a constant supply convoy of fuel trucks must stay within reach so the tanks can keep moving forward. As with the recent decision on F-16 training, the U.S. approval to send its own Abrams systems was a necessary part of the allies’ negotiations on tanks for Ukraine so that no Western nation would be providing the systems alone, possibly incurring direct retaliation from Russia. In January, the Biden administration reversed course and agreed that Ukraine would get the tanks. Milley is in France to mark the 79th anniversary of D-Day, which launched the allies’ World War II massive ground counteroffensive to push back Nazi forces in Europe. The war involved some of the largest armored battles in modern history, including a major Soviet counteroffensive against the Nazis in 1943 along the Dnieper River, the same edge along which tens of thousands of Ukrainian and Russian forces are now entrenched. “You can look back to World War II and some of the biggest armored battles that were ever fought in history were fought, basically, in parts of Ukraine,” Milley told reporters traveling with him. “So tanks are very important, both to the defense and the offense, and upgraded modern tanks, the training that goes with it, the ability to use them, will be fundamental to Ukrainian success.” https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-military/2023/06/02/milley-tanks-f-16s-coming-but-not-in-time-for-ukraine-offensive/ |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:22:43 AM EDT
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until it establishes permanent bases. On top of that, the whole episode showed how weak Russia has become. And no, only fools tell you that this is the way to defend a border. It is not. You preemptively strike at the first sign when seeing the enemy to mass troops along the border, especially in wartime. This event forced redeployments of the Russian regime army which would have been needed along the frontlines in Ukraine. That alone is already another Russian regime defeat. 
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:28:14 AM EDT
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Italian Press
Sabotage of Nord Stream, a 26-year-old Ukrainian is investigated: the DNA evidence found on the boat used for the attack is decisive A sailboat with divers and explosives on board. And one track: the Ukrainian one. According to press rumors circulated in the last 24 hours, German investigators are hunting for a 26-year-old Ukrainian who would be one of the main responsible for the sabotage of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, blown up last September. The trail emerged after traces of DNA were found on the boat that would correspond to those of the young man. According to the latest reconstructions, at the end of September a sailboat sailed on the Baltic Sea in the middle of the night, heading towards Denmark. She had departed from the German island of Ruegen, not far from the Polish border, with six men on board. The boat is called Andromeda, a few hours after its departure the Danish seismographs detect the tremors: they are the result of explosions that damaged the gas pipeline that directly connected Russia to Germany. It will only be discovered later that two of those six men were divers with fake passports and that they spoke to each other in Polish and Czech: they are probably the ones who dived into the waters with explosives in their hands, placing it on the pipes carrying the gas. That boat is rented by a Polish company registered to a 55-year-old woman from Kiev and traces of explosives and DNA of a man were found on board. The search is focusing mainly on a 26-year-old Ukrainian soldier who allegedly used a fake Romanian passport to identify himself in Germany. Investigators searched his ex-partner's apartment in Frankfurt (Oder) in late May and allegedly took evidence of his son's DNA to compare it with those found on the yacht. Evidence that, evidently, has highlighted a match. The woman handed over the mobile phone to the men of the prosecutor's office and would be cooperating. There are other elements that seem to link the attack with Ukraine. In August 2022, the request to moor a boat in Ruegen would have come from a fake Polish travel agency, Feeria Lwowa. But it is an empty box with a president: a 55-year-old woman from Kiev. The metadata of the company's unique email address also leads to Ukraine. To the Süddeutsche Zeitung the woman admitted to being the president of Feeria Lwowa, without saying anything else. However, the track of the "false flag", of evidence intentionally placed to incriminate the Ukrainians, is also not excluded. It is no coincidence that the head of the BND internal secret services, Bruno Kahl, declared that there is still no single version: "No country in the world, no secret service in the world is currently able to understand concretely to whom to attribute it". The 26-year-old soldier who was allegedly part of the crew of the Andromeda, for example, has been in the Ukraine since the beginning of the war, according to relatives interviewed by newspapers. Someone may have appropriated his identity. The tracks are increasing, but in truth it will still take time. https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2023/06/03/sabotaggio-del-nord-stream-si-indaga-su-un-26enne-ucraino-decisiva-la-prova-del-dna-ritrovato-sullimbarcazione-usata-per-lattacco/7182147/ |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:29:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancow: Anyone else still amazed at what we are seeing? It's our entire lives of growing up during the cold war and all the threatened conventional forces battles played out in real time and we can watch in near real time in HD. Of course, like everything else nobody I know seems to care but to me this is the single most interesting thing I've witnessed in my entire life. FINALLY, the curtain is pulled back and we can see what is really there and we know now for sure t isn't 'shit. They must have been paralyzed in fear all those years seeing what we have. Think about that quite often, which leads down several other rabbit holes. Interesting times. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:31:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Interesting panel discussion in Russia. One analyst is saying you have to be insane to start a widespread confrontation with the west. He is very calm and objecting comparing the economy and military of the west versus Russia. Another panel member just keeps claiming he is lying. 😂😂😂
That was a pretty good exchange. As with everything Russian/Soviet if they are being allowed to say that something is going on with their thought process and what they want the people to get behind. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:34:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:34:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Spot the turret.
Holy shit was that a crewman bailing between blow torch and turret toss? |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:36:14 AM EDT
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These are always great assessments similar to ISW but sometimes more easily understood.
.pdf here: https://www.patreon.com/file?h=84005032&i=14410831 |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:38:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Holy shit was that a crewman bailing between blow torch and turret toss? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Spot the turret.
Holy shit was that a crewman bailing between blow torch and turret toss? Yes, he was smoking when he hit the ground. The turret is at the 12 o'clock position just above the center of the video spinning when the tank explodes. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:45:38 AM EDT
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  These T-80BV MBTs are going to the repair factory. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:46:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:57:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DonKey153]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Very good. I could see a future battlefield where the infantry just laze targets instead of shooting bullets or grenades at each other. Their primary "rifle" is a laser designator and they just laze enemy positions, tanks, bunkers, anything and everything while some track or "drone carrier" to the rear is just disgorging drones that swarm out hitting the targets. Probably a retarded idea. But with so many drones, AI, and all the other crazy new shit that someone crawling around in the mud trying to put a little piece of lead into another idiot just seems so old fashioned. Seems like a capability that could be integrated into a mfal sometime in the future while retaining the pew |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 9:59:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: The fancy new automated SPAGs can do direct fire and even fire accurately on the move, Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By maddmatt: Originally Posted By PolarBear416: Originally Posted By voyager3: Dumb civilian's observation: artillery rounds seem to have much easier job destroying tanks than main guns of other tanks. Is this because artillery shoots HEAT munitions that attack from the top? Why even bother with the flat-shooting tank guns of ever larger calibers firing sabot rounds with ever more exotic penetrator designs then? This is why some people think tanks are obsolete. Artillery has a longer range, fires over hills, and can now be guided accurately by drones. That said infantry who encounter a tank that starts firing those big rounds at the building they were using for cover may not feel like tanks are all that obsolete What about a self-propelled howitzer firing at that same building? Thats what I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around. With the advances to 155 mm munitions, and how effective they seem to be, plus the prevalence of small anti armor missile, I'm wondering what the ultimate effect would be if you took something M109 and had it bang an M1. Keep sensors and data links, armor, but a 155 mm turret The problem is that an M109 turret has relatively thin aluminum alloy armor. There is also a huge difference between 155mm Artillery Ammo and 120mm Tank ammo, as in the Arty ammo comes with the projectile, fuse, charge, and primer separate and they have to be loaded in stages during every mission. Plus, the 155mm projectile alone weighs more than a complete 120mm tank round. Even with the rounds pre-fused, it takes at least twice as long (and usually a lot longer) to load and fire a 155mm of any type than a tank round. Though you CAN do direct fire with an M109, it is generally not advisable; sort of like conducting a close combat engagement with a bolt-action .338 Lapua sniper rifle and a 4x scope. The fancy new automated SPAGs can do direct fire and even fire accurately on the move, True. However, that doesn't totally alleviate the fact that the component round with separate charge, fuse, projectile, and primer is always going to at a disadvantage in reload times during a close fight with a system that utilizes a unitary munition. In an armor battle, this "handling time/reload time" between shots can be crucial. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 10:05:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Panzerhaubitze 2000 got no gun stabilisation because it would be counted as a tank.  Direkt fire on Leopard 1 wrecks:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBQe7Ahod34Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By maddmatt: Originally Posted By PolarBear416: Originally Posted By voyager3: Dumb civilian's observation: artillery rounds seem to have much easier job destroying tanks than main guns of other tanks. Is this because artillery shoots HEAT munitions that attack from the top? Why even bother with the flat-shooting tank guns of ever larger calibers firing sabot rounds with ever more exotic penetrator designs then? This is why some people think tanks are obsolete. Artillery has a longer range, fires over hills, and can now be guided accurately by drones. That said infantry who encounter a tank that starts firing those big rounds at the building they were using for cover may not feel like tanks are all that obsolete What about a self-propelled howitzer firing at that same building? Thats what I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around. With the advances to 155 mm munitions, and how effective they seem to be, plus the prevalence of small anti armor missile, I'm wondering what the ultimate effect would be if you took something M109 and had it bang an M1. Keep sensors and data links, armor, but a 155 mm turret The problem is that an M109 turret has relatively thin aluminum alloy armor. There is also a huge difference between 155mm Artillery Ammo and 120mm Tank ammo, as in the Arty ammo comes with the projectile, fuse, charge, and primer separate and they have to be loaded in stages during every mission. Plus, the 155mm projectile alone weighs more than a complete 120mm tank round. Even with the rounds pre-fused, it takes at least twice as long (and usually a lot longer) to load and fire a 155mm of any type than a tank round. Though you CAN do direct fire with an M109, it is generally not advisable; sort of like conducting a close combat engagement with a bolt-action .338 Lapua sniper rifle and a 4x scope. The fancy new automated SPAGs can do direct fire and even fire accurately on the move, Panzerhaubitze 2000 got no gun stabilisation because it would be counted as a tank. Direkt fire on Leopard 1 wrecks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBQe7Ahod34If you get a direct hit on just about anything mobile smaller than a cruiser or battleship with either 8" or 155, it's gonna hurt! Just about anything land-mobile will be done. I'm more concerned about reload times and general utility in "tank" mode. Got to see a bunch of old M57 and M75's taken out by DF 8" and 155mm once; let's just say the BDA on the tracks was Biblical! |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 10:21:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/3/2023 10:24:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/3/2023 10:33:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Just blow up the armory ... its the largest in Europe I believe ... |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 10:35:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Italian Press Sabotage of Nord Stream, a 26-year-old Ukrainian is investigated: the DNA evidence found on the boat used for the attack is decisive A sailboat with divers and explosives on board. And one track: the Ukrainian one. According to press rumors circulated in the last 24 hours, German investigators are hunting for a 26-year-old Ukrainian who would be one of the main responsible for the sabotage of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, blown up last September. The trail emerged after traces of DNA were found on the boat that would correspond to those of the young man. According to the latest reconstructions, at the end of September a sailboat sailed on the Baltic Sea in the middle of the night, heading towards Denmark. She had departed from the German island of Ruegen, not far from the Polish border, with six men on board. The boat is called Andromeda, a few hours after its departure the Danish seismographs detect the tremors: they are the result of explosions that damaged the gas pipeline that directly connected Russia to Germany. It will only be discovered later that two of those six men were divers with fake passports and that they spoke to each other in Polish and Czech: they are probably the ones who dived into the waters with explosives in their hands, placing it on the pipes carrying the gas. That boat is rented by a Polish company registered to a 55-year-old woman from Kiev and traces of explosives and DNA of a man were found on board. The search is focusing mainly on a 26-year-old Ukrainian soldier who allegedly used a fake Romanian passport to identify himself in Germany. Investigators searched his ex-partner's apartment in Frankfurt (Oder) in late May and allegedly took evidence of his son's DNA to compare it with those found on the yacht. Evidence that, evidently, has highlighted a match. The woman handed over the mobile phone to the men of the prosecutor's office and would be cooperating. There are other elements that seem to link the attack with Ukraine. In August 2022, the request to moor a boat in Ruegen would have come from a fake Polish travel agency, Feeria Lwowa. But it is an empty box with a president: a 55-year-old woman from Kiev. The metadata of the company's unique email address also leads to Ukraine. To the Süddeutsche Zeitung the woman admitted to being the president of Feeria Lwowa, without saying anything else. However, the track of the "false flag", of evidence intentionally placed to incriminate the Ukrainians, is also not excluded. It is no coincidence that the head of the BND internal secret services, Bruno Kahl, declared that there is still no single version: "No country in the world, no secret service in the world is currently able to understand concretely to whom to attribute it". The 26-year-old soldier who was allegedly part of the crew of the Andromeda, for example, has been in the Ukraine since the beginning of the war, according to relatives interviewed by newspapers. Someone may have appropriated his identity. The tracks are increasing, but in truth it will still take time. https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2023/06/03/sabotaggio-del-nord-stream-si-indaga-su-un-26enne-ucraino-decisiva-la-prova-del-dna-ritrovato-sullimbarcazione-usata-per-lattacco/7182147/ Court Gentry? |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 10:35:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/3/2023 10:41:20 AM EDT
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The fire of the Russian MiG-31, the crew survived (the video is still up to date, slightly accelerated, the original is here https://t.me/fighter_bomber/12572 )
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Posted: 6/3/2023 10:59:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: I remember reading some articles on him in conservative periodicals from the year before the war started talking about a lot of indicia of corruption on his part being present and that some of the ostensibly conservative legislation (which had some good and bad features) appeared to be set up to divert funds to himself and his friends. I bet he's extremely corrupt, using his nationalist side as a political tool to hold into power (which is a big part of what nationalism is about), and that Russia used that to get its hooks into him. IMO he's most likely compromised. I don't think this aspect of his policy is to Hungary's benefit, either, despite some apologies from certain people here who are from Hungary or have Hungarian ancestry and I don't consider the nuclear power plant issue to be an adequate explanation for most of his behavior, especially at this point. The unfortunate thing about Orban is that the likely alternatives are worse from a domestic policy perspective, as I'm sure if he got the boot the probability of replacement by a Leftist and pro-EU type is considerable. I do find it interesting how the nationalist and populist elements of the Right in Europe have almost entirely across the board come to have a special affinity with Russia, which is also true in the U.S., along with some other Rightists not of that stripe. I agree with most of this (unfortunately). I dont know/think Orban is "extremely corrupt" or extremely nationalistic and maybe got some promises from Putin, either nuke plant help or possible the return of some ex-Hungarian territory that is part of Ukraine. Maybe just promises of very favorable rights for Hungarian minorities living in Ukraine. Whatever the reason, there is little "good" reasons for Orban's stance vis a vis Russia and Ukraine and it is negative for Hungary short term and especially long term. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 11:02:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Italian Press Sabotage of Nord Stream, a 26-year-old Ukrainian is investigated: the DNA evidence found on the boat used for the attack is decisive A sailboat with divers and explosives on board. And one track: the Ukrainian one. According to press rumors circulated in the last 24 hours, German investigators are hunting for a 26-year-old Ukrainian who would be one of the main responsible for the sabotage of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, blown up last September. The trail emerged after traces of DNA were found on the boat that would correspond to those of the young man. According to the latest reconstructions, at the end of September a sailboat sailed on the Baltic Sea in the middle of the night, heading towards Denmark. She had departed from the German island of Ruegen, not far from the Polish border, with six men on board. The boat is called Andromeda, a few hours after its departure the Danish seismographs detect the tremors: they are the result of explosions that damaged the gas pipeline that directly connected Russia to Germany. It will only be discovered later that two of those six men were divers with fake passports and that they spoke to each other in Polish and Czech: they are probably the ones who dived into the waters with explosives in their hands, placing it on the pipes carrying the gas. That boat is rented by a Polish company registered to a 55-year-old woman from Kiev and traces of explosives and DNA of a man were found on board. The search is focusing mainly on a 26-year-old Ukrainian soldier who allegedly used a fake Romanian passport to identify himself in Germany. Investigators searched his ex-partner's apartment in Frankfurt (Oder) in late May and allegedly took evidence of his son's DNA to compare it with those found on the yacht. Evidence that, evidently, has highlighted a match. The woman handed over the mobile phone to the men of the prosecutor's office and would be cooperating. There are other elements that seem to link the attack with Ukraine. In August 2022, the request to moor a boat in Ruegen would have come from a fake Polish travel agency, Feeria Lwowa. But it is an empty box with a president: a 55-year-old woman from Kiev. The metadata of the company's unique email address also leads to Ukraine. To the Süddeutsche Zeitung the woman admitted to being the president of Feeria Lwowa, without saying anything else. However, the track of the "false flag", of evidence intentionally placed to incriminate the Ukrainians, is also not excluded. It is no coincidence that the head of the BND internal secret services, Bruno Kahl, declared that there is still no single version: "No country in the world, no secret service in the world is currently able to understand concretely to whom to attribute it". The 26-year-old soldier who was allegedly part of the crew of the Andromeda, for example, has been in the Ukraine since the beginning of the war, according to relatives interviewed by newspapers. Someone may have appropriated his identity. The tracks are increasing, but in truth it will still take time. https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2023/06/03/sabotaggio-del-nord-stream-si-indaga-su-un-26enne-ucraino-decisiva-la-prova-del-dna-ritrovato-sullimbarcazione-usata-per-lattacco/7182147/ Ukrainian woman and 6 German men rent a boat and DNA found on the boat?. I think I've seen this documentary. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 11:04:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Fantastic interview with Yuri. Lots of good background and comprehensive understanding. I liked what he said about the quick start for F16 training will shorten it even more by having different groups dedicated to different mission so they only need that one tactics block I stead of waiting for all of them. One group focus on ground attack, another on air to air superiority and a third on missile interception. For instance. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Fantastic interview with Yuri. Lots of good background and comprehensive understanding. I liked what he said about the quick start for F16 training will shorten it even more by having different groups dedicated to different mission so they only need that one tactics block I stead of waiting for all of them. One group focus on ground attack, another on air to air superiority and a third on missile interception. For instance. Dam, I think he was speaking directly to the AR15.com crowd when he said (The counter offensive is a show that has been announced to the west and everyone has bought tickets, got popcorn, sat down and saying hey give me the show, we are ready to watch. Be patient, (We are fighting a war for survival and are not in the show business). |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 11:19:36 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Posted: 6/3/2023 11:21:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Part of me wonders if the historical SADF approach to AFVs doesn't match up pretty well with the modern UA requirements? Relatively open terrain, not a lot of obstacles (or cover), "bush" in the form of tree belts? I guess the main difference would be seasonal mud and river obstacles. Hmmm. 🤔💭 Make Ratel IFV Great Again.  But all wheeled vehicles are way the hell heavier than they ever were in the 1970s. And Ukraine isn't a rich country, so all that bridging and support has a cost all its own. I look at what they have done with M113s and MRAPs and a whole mish-mash of everything else, and wonder...maybe wheeled Brigades would suit their style? Motorized Cossacks? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Originally Posted By m35ben: I wouldn't mind seeing what an AML90 could do while hiding in the forrest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCPDkNhqPn4Part of me wonders if the historical SADF approach to AFVs doesn't match up pretty well with the modern UA requirements? Relatively open terrain, not a lot of obstacles (or cover), "bush" in the form of tree belts? I guess the main difference would be seasonal mud and river obstacles. Hmmm. 🤔💭 Make Ratel IFV Great Again. But all wheeled vehicles are way the hell heavier than they ever were in the 1970s. And Ukraine isn't a rich country, so all that bridging and support has a cost all its own. I look at what they have done with M113s and MRAPs and a whole mish-mash of everything else, and wonder...maybe wheeled Brigades would suit their style? Motorized Cossacks? Too muddy twice a year. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 11:34:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: THOT_Vaccine]
[#34]
Good Russian
And he hadn't even managed to turn it completely into an uninhabitable pile of garbage and excrement. Must of just sat down before taking his nap. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 11:37:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/3/2023 11:47:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: 32 artillery and 7 MLRS claimed! How the hell did they do that? Have they fielded a large force of new medium range drones? New tactics with counter battery radar and precision guided artillery hunter/killer teams? HIMARS going cyclic? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By Schmigs: Another big day. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxrI-nfWwAACfuC?format=jpg&name=large How the hell did they do that? Have they fielded a large force of new medium range drones? New tactics with counter battery radar and precision guided artillery hunter/killer teams? HIMARS going cyclic? Speculate two factors, maybe three 1)More and better medium range EW resistant drones for spotting red arty. 2)Better EW/kinetic anti-drone defensive measures means blue arty can work uninterrupted and closer to the front with less fear of being spotted. 3)more and better counterbattery radars would always be welcome. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 11:54:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Interesting panel discussion in Russia. One analyst is saying you have to be insane to start a widespread confrontation with the west. He is very calm and objecting comparing the economy and military of the west versus Russia. Another panel member just keeps claiming he is lying. 😂😂😂
That mook Kazakov is one of the regular guests who is in dire need of a lead pipe party. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 11:58:13 AM EDT
[#38]
I’m surprised by the number of Bulgarian 4-piece style flash hider/boosters being used in this conflict.
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Posted: 6/3/2023 11:59:05 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: Zelensky told the WSJ that Ukraine is ready to start the counter offensive. https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-zelensky-we-are-ready-for-counteroffensive-22f4f3f2 Several other things he said: Would have liked more Patriots and Russian air power will cost a lot of soldiers in the counter-offensive; can't understand why the West is drip-feeding advanced weapons instead of giving what's needed all at once; said he doesn't understand why Trump thinks he can end the war given that he didn't end it when he was in power; wants Ukraine to be part of NATO once the fighting ends. The unfortunate solution to that is to pull SAM defenses from the cities and run them with the Army. Let the cities take the beating for the month or so it will take for a decisive result in the field. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 12:01:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Spot the turret.
Old video I think, maybe last summer or fall. I remember the dude bailing out after it had been on fire. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 12:04:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Highlight of that video was the SAM launch that passed about a foot from the drone without exploding. Otherwise I don’t think it’s certain the rest are even attacks. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 12:05:45 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Italian Press Sabotage of Nord Stream, a 26-year-old Ukrainian is investigated: the DNA evidence found on the boat used for the attack is decisive A sailboat with divers and explosives on board. And one track: the Ukrainian one. According to press rumors circulated in the last 24 hours, German investigators are hunting for a 26-year-old Ukrainian who would be one of the main responsible for the sabotage of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, blown up last September. The trail emerged after traces of DNA were found on the boat that would correspond to those of the young man. According to the latest reconstructions, at the end of September a sailboat sailed on the Baltic Sea in the middle of the night, heading towards Denmark. She had departed from the German island of Ruegen, not far from the Polish border, with six men on board. The boat is called Andromeda, a few hours after its departure the Danish seismographs detect the tremors: they are the result of explosions that damaged the gas pipeline that directly connected Russia to Germany. It will only be discovered later that two of those six men were divers with fake passports and that they spoke to each other in Polish and Czech: they are probably the ones who dived into the waters with explosives in their hands, placing it on the pipes carrying the gas. That boat is rented by a Polish company registered to a 55-year-old woman from Kiev and traces of explosives and DNA of a man were found on board. The search is focusing mainly on a 26-year-old Ukrainian soldier who allegedly used a fake Romanian passport to identify himself in Germany. Investigators searched his ex-partner's apartment in Frankfurt (Oder) in late May and allegedly took evidence of his son's DNA to compare it with those found on the yacht. Evidence that, evidently, has highlighted a match. The woman handed over the mobile phone to the men of the prosecutor's office and would be cooperating. There are other elements that seem to link the attack with Ukraine. In August 2022, the request to moor a boat in Ruegen would have come from a fake Polish travel agency, Feeria Lwowa. But it is an empty box with a president: a 55-year-old woman from Kiev. The metadata of the company's unique email address also leads to Ukraine. To the Süddeutsche Zeitung the woman admitted to being the president of Feeria Lwowa, without saying anything else. However, the track of the "false flag", of evidence intentionally placed to incriminate the Ukrainians, is also not excluded. It is no coincidence that the head of the BND internal secret services, Bruno Kahl, declared that there is still no single version: "No country in the world, no secret service in the world is currently able to understand concretely to whom to attribute it". The 26-year-old soldier who was allegedly part of the crew of the Andromeda, for example, has been in the Ukraine since the beginning of the war, according to relatives interviewed by newspapers. Someone may have appropriated his identity. The tracks are increasing, but in truth it will still take time. https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2023/06/03/sabotaggio-del-nord-stream-si-indaga-su-un-26enne-ucraino-decisiva-la-prova-del-dna-ritrovato-sullimbarcazione-usata-per-lattacco/7182147/ Very interesting. Thanks for posting. Some of us theorized that it was a Polish Op. to try to keep Germany "honest" as possible and maybe try to keep them from funding the invasion/war further with their oil/gas purchases. But a Ukrainian GUR Op. seems more plausible although I didnt think they had the resources. Not without some help from another State actor...Poland? I always doubted the Russian angle and I never thought the US was bold or decisive enough to ever do something like this although we may have "allowed it" unofficially. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 12:09:50 PM EDT
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SLD23, Asian Defense Summit tangent
Seating at the summit is open, so what did China do? Took all the front seats.  
So what did Lloyd Austin do? Gave them a front row talking to.
China did not take it well 
VIP table 
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Posted: 6/3/2023 12:10:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Holy shit was that a crewman bailing between blow torch and turret toss? It's hard to tell with all the crazy editing. The tank seemed to catch fire almost immediately and before stopping but I think the crewman jumped out after it catches fire but just before the blowtorch/subsequent explosion. It's always amazingly horrifying to see people climbing out from vehicles that have been engulfed for a few seconds. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 12:11:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThey look pretty rusty. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 12:12:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/3/2023 12:13:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/3/2023 12:15:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Just blow up the armory ... its the largest in Europe I believe ... No. Surround them and offer good terms for surrender. If they refuse destroy the soldiers and capture the munitions. Free ammo is the best ammo. Russia has no more business in Transnistria than they do in Ukraine. If their soldiers feel heroic, let them die there. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 12:16:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: True. However, that doesn't totally alleviate the fact that the component round with separate charge, fuse, projectile, and primer is always going to at a disadvantage in reload times during a close fight with a system that utilizes a unitary munition. In an armor battle, this "handling time/reload time" between shots can be crucial. It would require an autoloader and maybe something different than the standard multi-part 155mm arty round. Maybe something more "howitzer-ish" that has a smaller charge with a reduced range of maybe 10-15 miles? Or maybe rocket assisted/boosted for typical indirect fire and some sort of tube launched ATGM for direct fire? |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 12:21:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Braking!!! Russia topples leader of free world!!! Unable to rise from mighty blow!! Oh, well I guess it was just a speck of dust! [apologies for OT but too funny, and glad this fossil is not totally in control of Ukraine support]
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