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Posted: 6/13/2023 9:52:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: I think they are 100 percent intentionally hitting crowded apartment buildings. There mindset is not to wear down the military of Ukraine but the civilian will. But it's backfiring on them.. keep in mind this is an army that deploys troops to kill there own soldiers who retreat. Killing civilian s on your enemies ground means absolutely nothing g to them but to degrade the fighting will and spirit of the collective nation of ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Cypher15: Honestly, I don't think theyre doing it willy nilly. I think they are actually trying to target service member residences. Israelis hit terrorist homes but they do that doorknock shit. Best way to dent operations is to kill pilots, commanders, etc and thats what they may be trying to do. Though I AM wodnering how many SU-25's and the like the Ukrainians have left. Same for their HARM trucks. Hasnt been a whole lot of action from those lately. I doubt the Russians could target individual apartment buildings any more than they could target a military target, even if they knew a specific apt housed military families. And it would still be a stupid wasteful tactic. The UA soldier attacking you probably would not know that you stupidly killed his family. And if they did know, would you really want to be facing him? It makes no sense on any level EXCEPT the Russian "level". I think they are 100 percent intentionally hitting crowded apartment buildings. There mindset is not to wear down the military of Ukraine but the civilian will. But it's backfiring on them.. keep in mind this is an army that deploys troops to kill there own soldiers who retreat. Killing civilian s on your enemies ground means absolutely nothing g to them but to degrade the fighting will and spirit of the collective nation of ukraine. Not only that, but I believe it's having a positive effect on the rest of the world supplying more arms to Ukraine. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 9:52:56 AM EDT
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Not the turret toss I was hoping for, but a blowtorch instead.
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Posted: 6/13/2023 9:53:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Worry is setting in? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Worry is setting in? No, just making sure there is enough "weight" to the counteroffensive. 
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Posted: 6/13/2023 9:54:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HIPPO]
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https://twitter.com/region776/status/1668608897631023104
What happened to them? Russia Soldiers dead bodies all over the field in Zaporozhye direction 1:30 video |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 9:55:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: I thought that was supposed to be a mine field  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Videos. NSFW 
That was my first thought also. Which brings us back to the original belief that they just stupidly went out solo (like we have seen before) and were shelled to death. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 9:55:55 AM EDT
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Counter battery, impressive explosion.
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Posted: 6/13/2023 9:57:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: It could be Prigozhin thinks he's publicly serving up Shoigu to putin on a silver platter to be the scapegoat/fallguy for the entire Ukrainian mess. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Birddog15: It is hard for me to pin down what might be going on. The Prigozhin statements of late have gone way past what I thought would be acceptable to Putin. I'm not surprised that they might hate each other, but to feud so publicly at this time makes me suspicious. Are they really that stupid? Also, if Putin doesn't move to get rid of one of them, is it because he doesn't dare? This whole mess will end up in a shooting war between Wagner and Russian MoD. Which very well lead to a civil war. It could be Prigozhin thinks he's publicly serving up Shoigu to putin on a silver platter to be the scapegoat/fallguy for the entire Ukrainian mess. That might be a fair assessment. The talking heads in Moscow have expressed great frustration that the military hasn't got the job done, because they are too nice and need to take the gloves off. That's the rhetoric, anyway. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 9:59:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/13/2023 9:59:58 AM EDT
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More work being done..
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:01:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By klinc: Not only that, but I believe it's having a positive effect on the rest of the world supplying more arms to Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By klinc: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Cypher15: Honestly, I don't think theyre doing it willy nilly. I think they are actually trying to target service member residences. Israelis hit terrorist homes but they do that doorknock shit. Best way to dent operations is to kill pilots, commanders, etc and thats what they may be trying to do. Though I AM wodnering how many SU-25's and the like the Ukrainians have left. Same for their HARM trucks. Hasnt been a whole lot of action from those lately. I doubt the Russians could target individual apartment buildings any more than they could target a military target, even if they knew a specific apt housed military families. And it would still be a stupid wasteful tactic. The UA soldier attacking you probably would not know that you stupidly killed his family. And if they did know, would you really want to be facing him? It makes no sense on any level EXCEPT the Russian "level". I think they are 100 percent intentionally hitting crowded apartment buildings. There mindset is not to wear down the military of Ukraine but the civilian will. But it's backfiring on them.. keep in mind this is an army that deploys troops to kill there own soldiers who retreat. Killing civilian s on your enemies ground means absolutely nothing g to them but to degrade the fighting will and spirit of the collective nation of ukraine. Not only that, but I believe it's having a positive effect on the rest of the world supplying more arms to Ukraine. Lol I read your post wrong G..lol yes I definitely agree with you!! I just wish Biden would send ATACMS and stop fucking around |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:02:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PCUT: That was my first thought also. Which brings us back to the original belief that they just stupidly went out solo (like we have seen before) and were shelled to death. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PCUT: Originally Posted By mcantu: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Videos. NSFW
That was my first thought also. Which brings us back to the original belief that they just stupidly went out solo (like we have seen before) and were shelled to death. Wrong..go back to the last page and see my post. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:02:54 AM EDT
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This pic gives it away.. (IF you know?)
 200+ coming soon!
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:03:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: @mcantu Anti tank mines won't go off with a human stepping on them.. it takes a ton to set them off. Small cars won't set some anti tank mines off. There is a huge difference between anti-personel mines and anti-tank mines and the pressure that sets them off. Again for the people who don't understand how mines work Anti-tank mines usually contain between 2 and 9 kg of explosive, and their fusing mechanism requires a pressure of about 100-300 kg to activate it. AP mines are smaller, with 10-250 g of explosive, and detonate under about 5-50 kg of pressure. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:03:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Reminds me of Jack67 who worked security in one of the towers (before they went down) for Rick Rescorla. We never did get is MacArthur story  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By bikedamon: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By bikedamon: Originally Posted By treelow: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FybqhdHWwAETzaD?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FybqhdJXsAAadCp?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FybqhdMXoAMXEKP?format=jpg&name=large
So no more GD?  Has anyone seen Sketti? How about Oswald? Banned months ago for pretending to be a 9/11 first responder, IIRC. Holy shit, I missed that one. Such an on-the-nose Russian plant it could have only been more 4chan bullshit. Good riddance. Not first responder. He claimed to be a guy in one of the towers hanging out the window in a picture, a guy that died that day by jumping. Some member provided the name of who he claimed to be. Reminds me of Jack67 who worked security in one of the towers (before they went down) for Rick Rescorla. We never did get is MacArthur story @Jack67 was an important contributor to this thread. I wish he hadn’t gotten so frustrated with the noise in GD. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:04:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1st-Armored-Division: This pic gives it away.. (IF you know?) 200+ coming soon!https://i.imgur.com/F01MPn7.jpg |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:06:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:07:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:07:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:08:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: M60A3? DING!.. DING!.. We have a winner- |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:08:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:08:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1st-Armored-Division: This pic gives it away.. (IF you know?) 200+ coming soon!https://i.imgur.com/F01MPn7.jpg We're sending M-60's? 
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:09:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1st-Armored-Division: DING!.. DING!.. We have a winner- Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1st-Armored-Division: Originally Posted By mcantu: M60A3? DING!.. DING!.. We have a winner- |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:09:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blueballs: Free jack67 We need less trash like Oswald and more jack67s Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blueballs: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Free jack67 Free jack67 We need less trash like Oswald and more jack67s Why isn't jack67's ban expired yet? |
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MA, USA
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:10:51 AM EDT
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I knew it was an M60, couldn't have guess the version. It's cool to see them going to good use. Some of the more modern upgrade packages for them look pretty potent.
Will be a good counter for the older soviet crap they are pushing to the front. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:11:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: M60A3? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: Originally Posted By 1st-Armored-Division: https://i.imgur.com/a2WwWjM.jpg Did you catch my post about mines? |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:11:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PCUT: That was my first thought also. Which brings us back to the original belief that they just stupidly went out solo (like we have seen before) and were shelled to death. They are trying to force the russians to spread their forces over a really wide area, in order to thin out the russian front lines, resulting in one of these ukranian probing attacks finding a weak spot. The ukranians simply don't have enough forces to do that with a large force at all of the many, many probing attacks. They need to keep the russians engaged at lots and lots of spots all along the front lines. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:11:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1st-Armored-Division: DING!.. DING!.. We have a winner- Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1st-Armored-Division: Originally Posted By mcantu: M60A3? DING!.. DING!.. We have a winner- So is Ukraine actually getting some M60's? |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:12:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Did you catch my post about mines? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By mcantu: Originally Posted By 1st-Armored-Division: https://i.imgur.com/a2WwWjM.jpg Did you catch my post about mines? Not yet.. I was shocked to see the length of this thread! Wow. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:14:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: I have no idea . . . But it looks awesome! Love it! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: Originally Posted By 1st-Armored-Division: This pic gives it away.. (IF you know?) 200+ coming soon!https://i.imgur.com/F01MPn7.jpg M113 correct ?? (its been a few years ...) lol |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:14:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TiePilot69: I knew it was an M60, couldn't have guess the version. It's cool to see them going to good use. Some of the more modern upgrade packages for them look pretty potent. Will be a good counter for the older soviet crap they are pushing to the front. The A3's had a really kick ass thermal sight that in some ways was superior to the early M1's back in the day. 
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:17:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFP_4073: M113 correct ?? (its been a few years ...) lol ETA -- saw the answer AFAIK -- i thought our 'stocks' of M60s were long gone. i actually researched this like 6 months ago. Now OTHER nations would be a likely source of 'large' quantities of M60s if they are looking to upgrade... based on current battlefield needs / threats -- an upgraded M60 would NOT be a liability imo. get some |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:17:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1st-Armored-Division: This pic gives it away.. (IF you know?) 200+ coming soon!https://i.imgur.com/F01MPn7.jpg Parents have told me my mom sat in that seat while she was pregnant with me and got a bit rambunctious on the tank course one time...
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:19:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFP_4073: ETA -- saw the answer AFAIK -- i thought our 'stocks' of M60s were long gone. i actually researched this like 6 months ago. Now OTHER nations would be a likely source of 'large' quantities of M60s if they are looking to upgrade... based on current battlefield needs / threats -- an upgraded M60 would NOT be a liability imo. get some Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFP_4073: Originally Posted By MFP_4073: M113 correct ?? (its been a few years ...) lol ETA -- saw the answer AFAIK -- i thought our 'stocks' of M60s were long gone. i actually researched this like 6 months ago. Now OTHER nations would be a likely source of 'large' quantities of M60s if they are looking to upgrade... based on current battlefield needs / threats -- an upgraded M60 would NOT be a liability imo. get some Imagine M-60A3's rolling with the Bradley's.
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:19:50 AM EDT
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Are these US m60a3’s out in storage or are they another country’s? :Desire to know more intensifies:
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:22:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Imagine M-60A3's rolling with the Bradley's. Didn't the usmc have several tank battles in the gulf war against republican guard t72s with very decent success? |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:22:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: I think they are 100 percent intentionally hitting crowded apartment buildings. There mindset is not to wear down the military of Ukraine but the civilian will. But it's backfiring on them.. keep in mind this is an army that deploys troops to kill there own soldiers who retreat. Killing civilian s on your enemies ground means absolutely nothing g to them but to degrade the fighting will and spirit of the collective nation of ukraine. They never got the memo that terror bombing doesn't work, and rallies your enemy's popular support. Anybody seen polling data on people's opinions toward Russia before 2022 and now? Even Russian-speaking people in Kharkiv, Zaporizhia, Kherson, etc want nothing to do with Russia anymore. There is generational hate toward Russia now. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:22:47 AM EDT
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Hopefully those M60's are being outfitted as dedicated mine rollers. Burn a few up to clear a lane for the modern armor.
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:24:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shockergd: Didn't the usmc have several tank battles in the gulf war against republican guard t72s with very decent success? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shockergd: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Imagine M-60A3's rolling with the Bradley's. Didn't the usmc have several tank battles in the gulf war against republican guard t72s with very decent success? Yes. https://www.usmcmuseum.com/blog/the-m60s-last-hurrah 
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:26:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:27:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Counter battery, impressive explosion.
A pre-production snip of that first KBoom was leaked on TG a few days ago and I never found it on Twitter. Magnificent. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:28:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1st-Armored-Division: Not yet.. I was shocked to see the length of this thread! Wow. It's a big war Great posts. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:33:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1st-Armored-Division: Not yet.. I was shocked to see the length of this thread! Wow. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1st-Armored-Division: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By mcantu: Originally Posted By 1st-Armored-Division: https://i.imgur.com/a2WwWjM.jpg Did you catch my post about mines? Not yet.. I was shocked to see the length of this thread! Wow. Can you tell us if these tanks will be equipped with the ERA tiles? Because if they aren't the Ukrainians have a tendency to slap Kontakt-1 everywhere. 
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:39:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 1st-Armored-Division:
Somewhere, someplace, and somehow.. 300 of these are being rebuilt and salvaged to help out. Informed (limited) that maybe 200 total will be used. Not funded by the U.S, nor the taxpayers. Can you guess the engine?  https://i.imgur.com/MeJrSCw.png[/qu ote]I can't place it |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:41:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:41:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1st-Armored-Division: https://i.imgur.com/XCqhhMY.jpg https://i.imgur.com/OJrnXGQ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Sn7OWk0.jpg  Thank you for sharing! Is this for robo Patton??
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:42:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KELBEAST: Are these US m60a3's out in storage or are they another country's? :Desire to know more intensifies: |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:42:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Balkan tangent
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Azeri media
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:44:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Yes. https://www.usmcmuseum.com/blog/the-m60s-last-hurrah https://www.usmcmuseum.com/uploads/6/0/3/6/60364049/photo-5-3d-tank-battalion-at-kia_orig.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Shockergd: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Imagine M-60A3's rolling with the Bradley's. Didn't the usmc have several tank battles in the gulf war against republican guard t72s with very decent success? Yes. https://www.usmcmuseum.com/blog/the-m60s-last-hurrah https://www.usmcmuseum.com/uploads/6/0/3/6/60364049/photo-5-3d-tank-battalion-at-kia_orig.jpg A guy I used to work with was in one of those M-60s. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:47:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Toybasher]
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How good is the M60 compared to Ukraine's "native" (what they had prior to the start of the war) tanks?
EDIT: According to wikipedia they have a mishmash of T-72s, T-84s, etc. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 10:47:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 1st-Armored-Division:
This pic gives it away.. (IF you know?) 200+ coming soon!https://i.imgur.com/F01MPn7.jpg[/quo te]Oh my. |
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