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Link Posted: 8/16/2023 11:40:22 AM EDT
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More details on the drafting of foreigners in Russia with work passports.




For this purpose, law enforcers conduct raids and bring migrants to military enlistment offices. In St. Petersburg the police raided a vegetable warehouse and brought migrants with Russian passports to the district enlistment office.

During a two-day raid at the vegetable warehouse, police found almost a hundred men from Central Asia with Russian citizenship who were not registered in the military register. All of them were brought to military enlistment offices.

The police called this practice a "new option" to check compliance with migration laws.

Previously,  head of the Human Rights Council suggested issuing Russian passports to foreigners only with concurrent registration in the military register.

A few days ago, residents of St. Petersburg began to report that they received messages demanding to arrive to the military enlistment office for "clarification of data." The authors of the messages threaten to initiate administrative proceedings in case of non-appearance.

Similar summonses also began to arrive to men in Krasnoyarsk, Ulyanovsk and Chelyabinsk. A resident of Ulyanovsk told to the Govorit NeMoskva Telegram channel that those who come are offered to sign a contract with the Ministry of Defense. In case of refusal, their identity data is checked, and then they are free to go.
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Link Posted: 8/16/2023 11:42:56 AM EDT
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Never gets old to see the shredder in action!  That was a good strike on radar and launcher.
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 11:43:33 AM EDT
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That would be sweet, but we need to be careful how many sticks we poke the bear with.  

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The bear is toothless, the preponderance of the Russian military “might” is engaged in Ukraine, Russian strategic forces are ineffective and virtually blind against incoming threats….. now is the time to poke, and poke as hard as we possibly can. Look back to the failed “readiness exercise” when FJB visited not long ago.
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 11:44:27 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DKUltra:
I literally hate that saying

It is spoken by cowards, and/or people trying to protect the bear.
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Meanwhile the bear in question.


Link Posted: 8/16/2023 11:45:41 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:

Good!  Republicans need to recapture for their brand that they are the party of strong defense and the definitive opponent to Russian aggression.
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This will stir the GD Pro-Russia hive

Good!  Republicans need to recapture for their brand that they are the party of strong defense and the definitive opponent to Russian aggression.


It’s about time!!
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 11:45:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

That's where you're wrong. Russia provoked this conflict. They own it, and ALL the consequences. Not only Moldova, but Japan should get the Kurils back. Faced with a devastating war in Ukraine, losing Transnistria and Kurils might be enough for even the siloviki to turn on Putin. We should keep poking until the Kremlin loses the ability to export unrest, war, and destruction.

Sure, some people fear what happens if Russia collapses, is wracked by popular uprising and/or civil war. But in a way, having that happen would remove Russia's ability to generate trouble for the rest of the world.
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Originally Posted By fadedsun:
Originally Posted By Birddog15:
Giving up land for entrance into NATO is a pragmatic idea.  We may not like it, but if Ukraine eventually chooses that path, I'd understand.  

For those who say that this will just delay Russia's next attack; Russia has shown no inclination to go to war with NATO.  If they do decide to attack NATO down the road at some point, then all of this worry over Ukraine and its territory will be a moot point.  The world will have much bigger worries.

Whether Russia loses to Ukraine next year and goes back home with no Ukrainian territory, or goes home with a little Ukrainian territory, really doesn't make much difference in the long run, as far as long term security goes for Ukraine.  Either way, Ukraine is ending up in NATO and Russia will be very unlikely to attack it again.  

Obviously, we all hope that Ukraine keeps every square inch of its territory and that every Russian that set foot in Ukraine ends up as dirt.  But Ukraine is the one with more and more families visiting grave sites every day, so how this ends is their decision alone to make.  


That's why I say give up Crimea and Russia loses Donetsk and Luhansk.

The defensive line in northern Crimea is going to be a tough nut to crack. It's a win for Ukraine and a major loss for Russia.

BUT before that deal happens Ukraine needs to liberate Transnistria and send it back to Moldova.

That would be the ultimate defeat for Russia.
That would be sweet, but we need to be careful how many sticks we poke the bear with.  

That's where you're wrong. Russia provoked this conflict. They own it, and ALL the consequences. Not only Moldova, but Japan should get the Kurils back. Faced with a devastating war in Ukraine, losing Transnistria and Kurils might be enough for even the siloviki to turn on Putin. We should keep poking until the Kremlin loses the ability to export unrest, war, and destruction.

Sure, some people fear what happens if Russia collapses, is wracked by popular uprising and/or civil war. But in a way, having that happen would remove Russia's ability to generate trouble for the rest of the world.

True.
As one analyst recently stated, the internal unpredictability is baked into the Russian culture and politics and will occur regardless of what the West does or doesn’t do. We need to abandon the idea we influence Russian internal situation from the outside.
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 11:46:36 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By governmentman:

Good ol' heart attack is very possible. I imagine leading an unwinnable war is extremely bad for your blood pressure.
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Also, being in charge of a failing war may have you being gvien this option after many months of poor results:



Link Posted: 8/16/2023 11:47:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:

Seems to be a lot more T-80s getting smacked these days rather than the slew of T-72s is past months.
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Originally Posted By Brok3n:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9_BcDd5lk4

Seems to be a lot more T-80s getting smacked these days rather than the slew of T-72s is past months.


I believe that according to Oryx, they’re just about out of T-72 trash cans….
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enough capacity to restore these losses in the Russian naval forces. All the details





By: Ivanna Shepel

Defense forces of Ukraine disabled five large amphibious ships of the Black Sea Fleet of Russia . As noted by the Navy, the occupiers do not have enough capacity to restore these losses in the Russian Navy.

The spokesman of the Naval Forces Dmytro Pletenchuk said this on the FREEDOM broadcast. According to him, the role of the Russian fleet in the Black Sea can currently be observed to be weakening , and its future perspective is even more disappointing for the occupiers.

"Let me remind you, they only drove six large amphibious ships to the six that were already there. But the result is known: five of them are no longer in service. This number may grow," Pletenchuk said.

So, now the Russian Navy has seven border ships and six border boats in the Black Sea that monitor the security of the Crimean bridge.

"As for the fleet itself, it's exactly the same - now, in principle, the possibility of replenishing it is blocked. Under the guise of exercises, they pumped it up as much as they could before a full-scale invasion," said the spokesman of the Navy.

Pletenchuk also emphasized that theoretically there is a possibility of moving ships from the Baltic and Northern Fleets of the Russian Federation to the Black Sea, but it is difficult to implement in practice. In addition, Russia's ability to build ships at shipyards in the Black Sea region itself is also limited.

Earlier it was reported that the representative of the Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Andriy Yusov said that the Russian occupiers will not be able to restore the large amphibious assault ship "Olenegorsky Hornyak" in the near future. According to him, the recent events in the Black Sea eloquently showed the vulnerability of the Russian Navy .
https://war.obozrevatel.com/ukr/gur-pro-udari-po-korablyah-rf-najblizhchim-chasom-mi-olenogirskogo-girnika-ne-pobachimo.htm

It will be recalled that a naval drone attacked the Russian amphibious assault ship "Olenegorsky Gornyak" in Novorossiysk Bay in the Krasnodar Territory of the Russian Federation. The ship received a serious hole, fell overboard and can no longer perform its combat tasks.
https://news.obozrevatel.com/ukr/russia/u-novorosijsku-progrimili-vibuhi-bulo-chutno-strilyaninu-zayavlyayut-pro-ataku-droniv-foto-i-video.htm

The greatest land navy in history 😂 dismantles the navy of the former super power ship by ship.
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 11:49:38 AM EDT
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Saw that in an earlier video and it was beautiful!

Good gif!
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 11:50:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DKUltra:
I literally hate that saying

It is spoken by cowards, and/or people trying to protect the bear.
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Originally Posted By Birddog15:




That would be sweet, but we need to be careful how many sticks we poke the bear with.  

I literally hate that saying

It is spoken by cowards, and/or people trying to protect the bear.

Yeah, when the bear is already in full on mauling attack, better do more than poke it unless you are using bullets and knives to poke.

Needs more pokes with tomahawks.
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 11:56:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Like I mentioned in my previous reply: You think we can just carefully excise those comments without also gutting the essence of GD? You're thinking in narrow terms confined to the Ukr-Rus conflict, but whatever moderating decisions are reached will affect ALL of Arfcom. It ain't as easy as it looks. Believe me, I wish it were...
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Originally Posted By sywagon:
The provocations are trolling, with a capitol T. You are saying you see them. They are a COC violation. What is being done about it - has anyone gotten a warning even for trolling?

This is a situation where propaganda from one of our country's biggest enemies, which is unarguably also a terrorist state, is being promoted actively and vigorously on this site. That is beyond trolling, but also fits that definition. Is anything being done about the people who constantly start those threads. e.g. with a Ritter or Zero Hedge link to kick it off?

Like I mentioned in my previous reply: You think we can just carefully excise those comments without also gutting the essence of GD? You're thinking in narrow terms confined to the Ukr-Rus conflict, but whatever moderating decisions are reached will affect ALL of Arfcom. It ain't as easy as it looks. Believe me, I wish it were...



I like the process used on other forums: thumbs-up and thumbs-down for individual comments.  

How I'd implement it: if a single comment gets enough thumbs-down, it becomes hidden AND unquotable.  If that same user posts, say, three total comments in the same thread and they get enough thumbs-down that all three become hidden, the user is automatically locked out of posting in that thread.  

In real life, if a person goes inside a gun show or gun rights convention and starts preaching about gun control and/or badmouthing gun owners, he WILL get escorted out of the event.  I've seen it.

There's no reason we shouldn't be able to implement something like this.  Change my mind, if you can.
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 12:06:21 PM EDT
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Beat.
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 12:16:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:



Not laughing, but watching the consequences of some peoples bad decision making tree, and am amused at their decision.
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Most of those poor souls are from Central Asia countries whose names end with "stan" and which make Russia look civilized.
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 12:21:04 PM EDT
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The pattern kinda reminds me of a turkey track.
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 12:25:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By voyager3:

Most of those poor souls are from Central Asia countries whose names end with "stan" and which make Russia look civilized.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:



Not laughing, but watching the consequences of some peoples bad decision making tree, and am amused at their decision.

Most of those poor souls are from Central Asia countries whose names end with "stan" and which make Russia look civilized.



I do feel sorry for them, but it shows Russia to be desperate to resort to such measures to keep their army in this fight.  Many probably got clues from family and friends over the past year and a half about what the Russians are doing by now, and I know if I didn't want to be drafted in the Russian army, I would look for alternative employment in a nearby country.

The fact they are being drafted means Russia seems fine driving the civilized out of their country and throwing them away.

Link Posted: 8/16/2023 12:28:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
These replacement missiles to be made are the new wireless TOW, with extended range.  


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3mf0BeXYAAvlQz?format=jpg&name=small
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This means jobs in the US.
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 12:28:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lorazepam:

This means jobs in the US.
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Originally Posted By lorazepam:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
These replacement missiles to be made are the new wireless TOW, with extended range.  


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3mf0BeXYAAvlQz?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3mf0OoXEAEKaI7?format=jpg&name=small

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This means jobs in the US.


Yes, on many different systems they are hiring.

And we are getting rid of older TOW systems that use the wire, and replace our own stockpiles with these newer systems that have some of the advantages you've seen with the Stugna ATGM made by Ukraine.
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 12:30:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:


Yeah, lots of heavy metals.  I think the kids from that property were selling parts from that tank for good prices last year.
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Yeah, lots of heavy metals.  I think the kids from that property were selling parts from that tank for good prices last year.

Instead of a lemonade stand a T-72 Parts and Souvenir stand.
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 12:33:09 PM EDT
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That is beautiful. It has to be one of the most lethal, and accurate field weapons ever developed.
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 12:33:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:

Instead of a lemonade stand a T-72 Parts and Souvenir stand.
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:


Yeah, lots of heavy metals.  I think the kids from that property were selling parts from that tank for good prices last year.

Instead of a lemonade stand a T-72 Parts and Souvenir stand.



lol, they were!  A brother and sister painted the panels with their own art and sold the pieces.   Usually with a sunflower motif, and the Ukrainian trident.
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 12:34:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:

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Link Posted: 8/16/2023 12:41:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:


TRANSLATED MESSAGE]
"So, citizens, you will be taken to the military commissariat for further registration."

There was a video of the work of the St. Petersburg security forces.
It is reported that similar actions will be held in all cities of Russia. If foreigners with Russian passports are identified, they will be sent to the military registration and enlistment office with a further prospect of being at the front in order to prove in practice that they deserve to have a Russian passport.






Great way to evaporate your immigrant work force!  Further crippling Russian agriculture and industry!  

Boris, my feet are cold. Throw another peasant on the fire!
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Waiting for footage.


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Great stuff.

Reference material.


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Link Posted: 8/16/2023 12:42:55 PM EDT
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Lol. There absolutely was its well documented. It was never put on paper though that was the rub. And russia has screamed about it for the past 30 years. It was just a matter of time before they decided to do something about it.
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Um, documented means on paper.
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Originally Posted By voyager3:

Before you injure yourself laughing, remember that any male under the age of 27 permanently residing in the US even if they aren't citizens, green card holders for example, must register with the Selective Service Office. And when you do become a US Citizen, you swear the Pledge of Allegiance that specifically states that you're willing to serve in the military and/or do defense-related work if needed.
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Originally Posted By voyager3:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:



Before you injure yourself laughing, remember that any male under the age of 27 permanently residing in the US even if they aren't citizens, green card holders for example, must register with the Selective Service Office. And when you do become a US Citizen, you swear the Pledge of Allegiance that specifically states that you're willing to serve in the military and/or do defense-related work if needed.

It isn’t funny from the workers’ perspective. It is funny that Russia actually uses it, which will further cripple its work force. I’m not aware we have ever exercised that option. Our corporations would howl.
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Again, how is russia fucked by Ukraine in nato? The only reason would be they could no longer use them as a puppet state.
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Beautiful. Watched it 20 times enjoying that dispersion. Right on the mark.
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 12:56:06 PM EDT
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I believe that according to Oryx, they’re just about out of T-72 trash cans….
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:
Originally Posted By Brok3n:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9_BcDd5lk4

Seems to be a lot more T-80s getting smacked these days rather than the slew of T-72s is past months.


I believe that according to Oryx, they’re just about out of T-72 trash cans….

That is an important milestone. They had more T-72s likely able to be refurbed than all other models combined.
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Just realized “long illness” could mean 23 stories.
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:

Beautiful. Watched it 20 times enjoying that dispersion. Right on the mark.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:

Beautiful. Watched it 20 times enjoying that dispersion. Right on the mark.



It's geolocated in my previous post.  You can look at the rifle range in the bottom right of the video get hit by tungsten pellets far from the main building that got hit.  I want to go back and measure that distance from the rifle range to the building hit, for research.

With Russian equipment hit by the tungsten, you can measure how far away they were from ground zero by the number of pellets they got.
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Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire:



I like the process used on other forums: thumbs-up and thumbs-down for individual comments.  

How I'd implement it: if a single comment gets enough thumbs-down, it becomes hidden AND unquotable.  If that same user posts, say, three total comments in the same thread and they get enough thumbs-down that all three become hidden, the user is automatically locked out of posting in that thread.  

In real life, if a person goes inside a gun show or gun rights convention and starts preaching about gun control and/or badmouthing gun owners, he WILL get escorted out of the event.  I've seen it.

There's no reason we shouldn't be able to implement something like this.  Change my mind, if you can.
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Sounds like tyranny of the majority
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:

It isn’t funny from the workers’ perspective. It is funny that Russia actually uses it, which will further cripple its work force. I’m not aware we have ever exercised that option. Our corporations would howl.
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Originally Posted By voyager3:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:



Before you injure yourself laughing, remember that any male under the age of 27 permanently residing in the US even if they aren't citizens, green card holders for example, must register with the Selective Service Office. And when you do become a US Citizen, you swear the Pledge of Allegiance that specifically states that you're willing to serve in the military and/or do defense-related work if needed.

It isn’t funny from the workers’ perspective. It is funny that Russia actually uses it, which will further cripple its work force. I’m not aware we have ever exercised that option. Our corporations would howl.


We did in the Civil War, WWI, WWII, and to a lesser extent in the Cold War.  There are several accounts of both former German Army soldiers and Holocaust survivors who ended up in the US Army during the Korean War, occasionally in the same unit!
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Documentary of my 3rd hmmwv loss.
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Those sea drones can be picked up by radar and thermal, range to detect them would depend on the sea state.  They aren't as stealthy as they could be, but that would make them much more expensive to produce, and it's amazing they are able to get close to the Russian ships and bridge as is.  The advantage of a sea container with a Harpoon is you only need to get about 120 nautical miles from the enemy ship.  The Harpoon can do the rest.  If the enemy ship is hit, then great!  I think for the most part a single Harpoon would obliterate any of the Russian ships left in the Black Sea.  I don't believe they have the capability to shoot down a sea skimming missile fired at night through a rain squall to minimize it's thermal signature for example.  Nor could their ships guns handle a Harpoon that decides to suddenly climb and do a terminal dive onto the ship.  

Also, the drone ships could be modified to ride lower in the water with the Harpoon container on top.


https://en.missilery.info/files/m/harpoon/harpoon_bl2.jpg

They can skim the water closer than 15 meters lol.
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The SBU used a new experimental Sea Baby sea drone to attack the Crimean Bridge in July 2023, CNN.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3oIkiYW0AAovuD?format=jpg&name=small



Man, there is no reason the Ukrainians couldn't strap on a Harpoon missile in a container on that and hunt Russian warships.   Then drive in and finish the job.  


It’s a great idea, but anything taller than those water drones can be picked up by surface radar and harpoons are large missles. I’m not sure they could make a craft to hold one and stay stealthy



Those sea drones can be picked up by radar and thermal, range to detect them would depend on the sea state.  They aren't as stealthy as they could be, but that would make them much more expensive to produce, and it's amazing they are able to get close to the Russian ships and bridge as is.  The advantage of a sea container with a Harpoon is you only need to get about 120 nautical miles from the enemy ship.  The Harpoon can do the rest.  If the enemy ship is hit, then great!  I think for the most part a single Harpoon would obliterate any of the Russian ships left in the Black Sea.  I don't believe they have the capability to shoot down a sea skimming missile fired at night through a rain squall to minimize it's thermal signature for example.  Nor could their ships guns handle a Harpoon that decides to suddenly climb and do a terminal dive onto the ship.  

Also, the drone ships could be modified to ride lower in the water with the Harpoon container on top.


https://en.missilery.info/files/m/harpoon/harpoon_bl2.jpg

They can skim the water closer than 15 meters lol.
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Yeah, the drone is just a means of getting the missile in range….they are going to be firing from over the horizon at the target, which makes detection very hard. Use a stealthy drone to ID targets, then the operators program the Missile over the datalink and launch it then recall the drone to be reloaded. Lots of possibilities, depending on how many Harpoons they can get onto one drone and how many of them they can control at once. The more they can put in the air at once, the more that will get through.
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 1:27:47 PM EDT
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Does anyone feel like we are on the cusp of some major developments?

I've been impatient watching the slow rolling, but when looking at the big picture, there is definitely a method to the madness.

I feel like even ONE major line break on the RUS side could cascade. I would love to see the Eastern front cut right in half, an isolated south east line and Crimea, and then a push North to clear the rest of the country.

And then push into Russia to DMZ that shit. Ok, that's maybe wishful thinking, but I digress.

Let's go!
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 1:35:11 PM EDT
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Strv122 in UA

Link Posted: 8/16/2023 1:41:21 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/16/2023 1:41:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Paraflare:
Does anyone feel like we are on the cusp of some major developments?

I've been impatient watching the slow rolling, but when looking at the big picture, there is definitely a method to the madness.

I feel like even ONE major line break on the RUS side could cascade. I would love to see the Eastern front cut right in half, an isolated south east line and Crimea, and then a push North to clear the rest of the country.

And then push into Russia to DMZ that shit. Ok, that's maybe wishful thinking, but I digress.

Let's go!
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It may be about to happen but its hard to say from what we can see. Our lack of knowing enough is making predictions difficult.
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 1:43:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jungatheart:

Go ahead, throw logic at me, I can take it.
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Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire:



With all that stuff inside the crater that clearly was not incinerated?  

Go ahead, throw logic at me, I can take it.






Seriously though, I don't have any idea what the size of a tactical nuke crater would or could be.  I just know that anything *inside* that crater and still intact should be as dark as scorched toast.  


I'm open to a nuke 'splosion expert providing any additional insight.    

Link Posted: 8/16/2023 1:51:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lorazepam:

Again, how is russia fucked by Ukraine in nato? The only reason would be they could no longer use them as a puppet state.
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It’s not, and you’re right. NATO countries already border Russia and Kaliningrad. Hell, they pulled soldiers out of Kaliningrad to go fight in Ukraine. If NATO was a threat, why did they leave it defenseless? It makes no sense, and it’s bullshit. Russia sees Ukraine as part of itself. When the Maidan revolution happened and the pupper government fled, Russia invaded because it saw itself losing power, and losing Ukraine. That’s what this is all about. NATO is just an excuse
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 1:53:52 PM EDT
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We stepped up the training schedule. Now we will be training multiple classes that overlap in the schedule. Lots of people are coming through, and we are trying to get them into pre-training asap and prepare then for the accelerated program of real training.

It may seem silly, but without a contract, guys can't take possession of a rifle before they are under contract. Funds are limited so I ordered some of these for training in rifle stances/squad movements. During a class they are hands on with our firearms, but with these they can practice the daily lessons after hours. They are under contract during their official training, so this is a temporary learning aid while they wait.

Attachment Attached File


We always have other training aids and gear that can help these guys. Thanks guys.
https://spe-tactical-surplus.com/Donate-to-Ukraine-_c_85.html
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 1:54:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire:






Seriously though, I don't have any idea what the size of a tactical nuke crater would or could be.  I just know that anything *inside* that crater and still intact should be as dark as scorched toast.  


I'm open to a nuke 'splosion expert providing any additional insight.    

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Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire:
Originally Posted By jungatheart:
Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire:



With all that stuff inside the crater that clearly was not incinerated?  

Go ahead, throw logic at me, I can take it.






Seriously though, I don't have any idea what the size of a tactical nuke crater would or could be.  I just know that anything *inside* that crater and still intact should be as dark as scorched toast.  


I'm open to a nuke 'splosion expert providing any additional insight.    



A small tactical nuke is like a really big conventional shell.

Link Posted: 8/16/2023 1:57:57 PM EDT
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I'll bet the Motor Sergeant cringes every time he dispatches a vehicle
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 2:05:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MarkNH:


I would disagree on giving up Crimea, fight to the sea and cut off the land route, take out the bridge, long range missiles can hit any point in Crimea, no resupply and they will surrender without a costly land invasion.
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Originally Posted By fadedsun:


That's why I say give up Crimea and Russia loses Donetsk and Luhansk.

The defensive line in northern Crimea is going to be a tough nut to crack. It's a win for Ukraine and a major loss for Russia.

BUT before that deal happens Ukraine needs to liberate Transnistria and send it back to Moldova.

That would be the ultimate defeat for Russia.


I would disagree on giving up Crimea, fight to the sea and cut off the land route, take out the bridge, long range missiles can hit any point in Crimea, no resupply and they will surrender without a costly land invasion.



The killer is Crimea water supplies have been drastically reduced.  Even without conflict the lack of water is going to be an issue.
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The size of Western tanks always surprises me  
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Originally Posted By DKUltra:
I literally hate that saying

It is spoken by cowards, and/or people trying to protect the bear.
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That would be sweet, but we need to be careful how many sticks we poke the bear with.  

I literally hate that saying

It is spoken by cowards, and/or people trying to protect the bear.



Rgr that.
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