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Posted: 10/9/2023 10:02:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brok3n: Russian demographics were shit before this war even started and now even shittier. Combine it with the PTSD and anger the surviving Russians will have when this war is over and Putin has quite an interesting dilemma on his hand. Or maybe not as the Russian people seems to love suffering under dictatorships of various flavors. On this, Zeihan is right. This will be Russia's last major, large-scale war. With 300K casualties and climbing and no end in sight, domestic repression that drives down everything from the economy, technology, and birth rates, Putin is creating the greatest "lost generation" since France lost a huge proportion of its young men in WWI. Putin aimed at making Russia greater by restoring its empire. Unless all of Ukraine is absorbed into Russia, he will be net negative for Russia, and even then the repression and corruption endemic to his rule make it bad anyway. Strategically, Russia may be augmenting its power in certain measures, but overall the Russian society and people are diminished. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 10:02:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/9/2023 10:06:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/9/2023 10:09:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
This is what’s worrisome. It’s not ideal and is unfortunate but Iran must be eliminated as soon as possible. I could see russia parking their own nukes there in Iran. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 10:10:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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The next step should be accusing the Ukrainian military of selling Western weapons to terrorists on a regular basis. As part of the Kremlin’s disinformation campaign, these fakes should form the basis of a number of ‘revelatory publications’ & ‘investigations’ in Western media.”  GD is the barometer. 
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Posted: 10/9/2023 10:10:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: This is what’s worrisome. It’s not ideal and is unfortunate but Iran must be eliminated as soon as possible. I could see russia parking their own nukes there in Iran. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
This is what’s worrisome. It’s not ideal and is unfortunate but Iran must be eliminated as soon as possible. I could see russia parking their own nukes there in Iran. Yep, glad we have some allies that have enough power to take care of that on their own for now. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 10:11:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Arty is about 39 off….odd indeed. Wonder if an incomplete report? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By burnka871: Slow day https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371724/F7-sSwwW4AAsTNJ_png-2984576.JPG Unusually slow. Arty is about 39 off….odd indeed. Wonder if an incomplete report? Everyone’s on their phones watching Twitter. Half kidding. Crazy times. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 10:52:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith: Ship's name Hutton? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith: Originally Posted By RockNwood:https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_4165-2984553.jpg If it talks, I’ll listen.  |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 10:56:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7_45tKW0AAQO0s?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7_452RXEAAbeoR?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8ABdlFXYAACWLv?format=jpg&name=large GD is the barometer. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7_45tKW0AAQO0s?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7_452RXEAAbeoR?format=jpg&name=large
The next step should be accusing the Ukrainian military of selling Western weapons to terrorists on a regular basis. As part of the Kremlin’s disinformation campaign, these fakes should form the basis of a number of ‘revelatory publications’ & ‘investigations’ in Western media.” https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8ABdlFXYAACWLv?format=jpg&name=large GD is the barometer. Shit is getting messy because we (the US and NATO) have been too slow to help Ukraine end the Russian occupation. The lukewarm support, at times, has given Russia many opportunities to back door support enemies of the west from NK to Iran and Hamas… and on and on. If we had made a full push to end this conflict quickly, Russia would be too weak and in no place to build a new axis powers. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 10:56:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/9/2023 10:59:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Shit is getting messy because we (the US and NATO) have been too slow to help Ukraine end the Russian occupation. The lukewarm support, at times, has given Russia many opportunities to back door support enemies of the west from NK to Iran and Hamas… and on and on. If we had made a full push to end this conflict quickly, Russia would be too weak and in no place to build a new axis powers. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7_45tKW0AAQO0s?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7_452RXEAAbeoR?format=jpg&name=large
The next step should be accusing the Ukrainian military of selling Western weapons to terrorists on a regular basis. As part of the Kremlin’s disinformation campaign, these fakes should form the basis of a number of ‘revelatory publications’ & ‘investigations’ in Western media.” https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8ABdlFXYAACWLv?format=jpg&name=large GD is the barometer. Shit is getting messy because we (the US and NATO) have been too slow to help Ukraine end the Russian occupation. The lukewarm support, at times, has given Russia many opportunities to back door support enemies of the west from NK to Iran and Hamas… and on and on. If we had made a full push to end this conflict quickly, Russia would be too weak and in no place to build a new axis powers. Exactly, I wish people in power would learn this simple lesson. It's easier to stop a problem when it's small now, than to have to resort to painful amounts of effort later to stop that problem once it has grown. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 11:00:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F77XeHpWcAACUhg?format=jpg&name=small
Video with no audio, which makes it…sketchy
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uPoHeYiljUBut on the other hand, this makes sense https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F77ZQaKWsAAujcV?format=jpg&name=medium
😂. It was funny to see WarMonitors and OSINTDefender get into a pissing match and then both realizing the other is also a disinfo account. Gold. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 11:12:26 AM EDT
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World will be at war soon ...
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Posted: 10/9/2023 11:14:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFP_4073: amen: 1. Jesus is the risen savior 2. Love for family 3. Freedom (RKBA) and capitalism -- private property ownership and free market economy 4. Maintain fitness and mental development 5. Support law and order / defense in our USA society that's pretty much my moral compass. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFP_4073: Originally Posted By borderpatrol: A lot of the stupid is the result of Russian disinformation campaigns. They spend most of their waking hours trying to undermine western resolve. If you can't win on the facts, baffle them with bull shit! I have a very good moral compass, it usually ends up wishing every Communist a painful death. People who don't have that moral compass are easily side tracked. amen: 1. Jesus is the risen savior 2. Love for family 3. Freedom (RKBA) and capitalism -- private property ownership and free market economy 4. Maintain fitness and mental development 5. Support law and order / defense in our USA society that's pretty much my moral compass. You have my vote. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 11:37:29 AM EDT
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I wish this thread was able to show relevant Apache strike videos. Fucking awesome where it happens.
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Posted: 10/9/2023 11:37:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Mrs. Girkin/Strelkov Yesterday, a meeting in support of Igor Strelkov took place at the Lisva bookstore. Even the weather conditions did not prevent true like-minded people from gathering. We watched a wonderful film about Igor, "The Power of One," directed by Oksana Kravtsova, wrote letters, and talked for a long time. About the Russian spring, volunteers, military operations, and, of course, about the future. In one hall they gathered and talked about the daily issues: the historian, associate professor of the Russian State University for the Humanities, Alexander Krushelnitsky, and the journalist-political scientist Maxim Kalashnikov, and the poet-playwright Yuri Yurchenko, the author of "Soldier's Truth" Mikhail Polynkov, the wife of a political prisoner (that is, me), and so producers, students, humanitarians, young political scientists, and other equally important guests with their unique experience and opinions. We were all united by one thing: the desire for truth... and freedom for Igor Strelkov. Thank you very much, friends, for your support! I believe that next time we will gather at the same table with Igor Ivanovich. https://t.me/i_strelkov_2023/265 Letter from Igor, with Dmitri translation and Google translated original as posted to TG by Mrs. Girkin
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F79AHcxWsAA29tD?format=png&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F79AH7PXQAE1wOj?format=png&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F79AIKbWwAA1P7B?format=png&name=medium Only now, bypassing all the "offices" of the pre-trial detention center, they gave back Igor Strelkov's letter dated September 29. I publish it in full: My comment regarding the strategic situation 09.29.2023 Reason: V.V. Putin's meeting with Evkurov and Troshev, a statement by the RF Ministry of Defense that the Ministry of Defense does not have any plans regarding mobilization activities. Additionally: 1) very reduced, compared to the past, US assistance to maintain the combat capability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 2) narrowing and changing the directions of attacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, transferring efforts from areas where strategic successes were (theoretically) possible (Melitopol, Berdyansk, Mariupol directions) to areas of Donetsk and Bakhmut, where (if successful) it is possible to achieve only local operational or even tactical objectives, but success can provide opportunities for successful propaganda in Ukraine itself. The situation at the front at the moment: a strategic impasse ("PAT" cannot be called, since both sides - the Russian Federation and NATO - have not yet moved their main figures). Ukraine cannot return the lost territories with its own forces, the Russian Federation is not able to clear the territories of the DPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Actions of the Russian Federation: with a 99 percent probability, the Kremlin decided to freeze the war until the elections, that is, until March 2024. No actions related to a significant strengthening of the RF Armed Forces that could seriously aggravate the social, economic and internal political situation in the country will be taken until spring. The RF Armed Forces will continue strategic defense on ("plus or minus") existing lines, with the only task being to prevent deep breakthroughs or sensitive operational successes of the enemy. The question of what the strategy for the next spring/summer campaign will be was put on the back burner. Perhaps in the hope of some events in the enemy camp that will ease the foreign policy situation of the Russian Federation (the success of Trump and the like). Action of the USA/NATO: I am sure that this strategy of the Russian Federation (mentioned above) is not a secret for the enemy elites and completely suits them as part of the strategic plan to exhaust and undermine Russia from within. The strategic defense of the Russian Federation also does not pose any risks for the United States/NATO. The enemy is confident that he will be able to maintain the internal stability and relative defense capability of the so-called "Ukraine" in the current conditions for as long as necessary. The United States is more than content to continue a low-intensity war without any side gaining the upper hand. The Russian Federation (Putin) is not ready to "put everything on the line?" - "Wonderful! That's what we planned. Let it weaken little by little, we won't rush." It is this position that explains the significant reduction in the amount of aid to "Ukraine" and the extreme slowness in the supply of already promised weapons. I assume that the major military success of "Ukraine" for the United States now seems unnecessary and even (maybe) dangerous, because it could provoke the Kremlin to "increase the degree of confrontation" and take any decisive action in preparation for the liquidation of "Ukraine" itself. And this may in the future affect the situation in the US/NATO itself, which Washington is not ready for now. Therefore, the logic is this: we will feed Ukraine little by little, without frightening Putin, who is still relatively firmly in the chair and in control of the situation. Let's give him the impression that we are "close to surrendering" to Ukraine and are tired of the war. When the time comes, we can easily ramp up supplies in a matter of weeks, whereas the Russians will need many months of preparation for a full-scale offensive. I believe that the US position is secretly and openly lobbied in the Kremlin by numerous supporters of reconciliation at any cost, i.e., capitulation. They all remained in their places. Official propaganda "shouts out" to the population of the Russian Federation that "there will be no personnel changes!" (before and after the "elections"), and given the continuation of the current situation, they should not be expected "from the word at all." https://t.me/i_strelkov_2023/275
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F79Bh0NXwAA_4Mj?format=png&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F79BiTCXMAIm-13?format=png&name=large Conclusions: - The Kremlin has completely lost (or even deliberately conceded) the foreign policy initiative and is "waiting by the sea for weather", since this allows VIP officials not to strain (or do nothing at all, which they can masterfully) in the USA NATO is in no hurry. and the opinion of the so-called "Ukraine" is of no interest to anyone - the prostitute is "paid in advance" and is not going anywhere. - For the coming months, probably for the autumn-winter campaign, I predict positional battles without significant changes in the strategic situation. Separate operations are possible on both sides for propaganda purposes (Russian Federation - we are moving forward! We have already improved our positions! Victory is coming soon. "Ukra" - "we are moving forward, liberating the territory, victory is inevitable!"). - The mutual exchange of attacks on rear areas and infrastructure will continue and increase. its tension depends only on the scale of production of ammunition (in the Russian Federation) and on its receipt from NATO (for "Ukraine"). "Bloody push-pull," which I had been warning about as the main danger since the fall of 2014, has become our unalternative reality. Unless a miracle happens, it will almost inevitably lead Russia to disaster and collapse (in whole or in part). The reluctance of the Russian authorities to "fight for real" is understandable and justified, since it poses a threat to their power, which was clearly demonstrated by the so-called "Prigozhinsky rebellion." However, "swimming with the flow" will ultimately lead (almost inevitably) to the same disastrous result, but with "no options" and then, along with the collapse of the state, the VIP elite will lose not only power and money, but also their lives. If not all, then very, very many, however, they also do not believe in this "from the word at all." In the domestic political aspect, I predict a gradual increase in repression against everyone "who does not keep pace with the party," no matter what camp they come from. They will try to disguise this before the elections. After "Putin's triumphant victory" (it simply cannot be otherwise), options are possible, although one cannot expect a harsh dictatorship either - Putin does not know how to do it, just as he does not know how to do absolutely anything more than halfway. This text does not take into account completely possible "black swans" that can radically change the picture in a matter of days (or maybe even hours, as was the case in June). Recorded one day before the 40-day date, the murder of Prigozhin and Utkin. I. V. Girkin (I. I. Strelkov) 09.29.2023 https://t.me/i_strelkov_2023/276 Yeah, that's an eerily accurate assessment of the situation. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 11:45:17 AM EDT
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Run away! Run away!
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Posted: 10/9/2023 11:47:39 AM EDT
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I am going to take a break for a couple days before I get banned. Keep up the good fight everyone.
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Posted: 10/9/2023 11:51:26 AM EDT
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https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/labour-promise-to-rearm-britain-in-speech/ |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 11:51:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: I wish this thread was able to show relevant Apache strike videos. Fucking awesome where it happens. I know, there's some incredible footage. That mosque getting hit with secondaries.
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Posted: 10/9/2023 11:52:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: I am going to take a break for a couple days before I get banned. Keep up the good fight everyone. Just read the posts that have a twitter link in them and skip over the others.
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Posted: 10/9/2023 11:54:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Run away! Run away! Video https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_4167-2984830.jpg Translated ETA- and longer
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:02:35 PM EDT
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Kuleba: 'If Ukraine loses the war, it will be end of Europe' 
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:04:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/labour-promise-to-rearm-britain-in-speech/ That is great to hear. UK has been a stand up leader of action but until now no mention of increased defense spending. Good follow through ya limeys. 😁 |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:06:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I know, there's some incredible footage. That mosque getting hit with secondaries.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By RockNwood: I wish this thread was able to show relevant Apache strike videos. Fucking awesome where it happens. I know, there's some incredible footage. That mosque getting hit with secondaries.
Dome toss! Perfect!  |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:07:41 PM EDT
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It would seem to me that WW III is shaping up pretty nicely.
We are all choosing sides. Pretty much the big players have formed their lines But it will get a lot more intense and the involvement will be much greater for all. When did WWII start. Well that depends. Lets see if you were China and Japan going at it in the early 1930's, That was a "start", The bloodless annexation of the "Sudetenland" and Austria in 1938 certainly seem familiar. Crimea in 2014 anyone. The infiltration of the "little green men" in the Donbass. Yes this all has parallels to WWII. How about the invasion of Poland on Sept 1, 1939? Yeah that was the big one that got the Western European Allies involved. But we here in the US stuck it out for over 2 years, and the ignorant isolationists (just like we have now) said "lets sit this one out. We had enough of war in the big war to end all wars" The results are the same, the strategy is the same. Oh sure we sat and watched our own allies get over ran (France, Netherlands, Belgium Norway etc) and Britain bombed into ruble, but even then we would not join in with our men. No, just a steady stream of supplies to try to keep the British isles afloat. Stick your head in the sand, and pretend you are not at war. But we were at war. And we are at war now. The historians will look back and say WW III main events started in 2014 in Ukraine. But then the "big push" started Feb 2022 Now the second front on the war with the west has opened. Oh sure many of you would like to think "no, this is a regional conflict that has been going on for century's". Yep that is true as far as it goes, but who is on the side of Israel?, and who is on the other side? Well it is the same players as the war in Ukraine/Russia. Same allies, Russia, Iran, Arab Terrorist's North Korea, China all allied to one degree or another against the "west". Only the "west" now includes players like Japan and Germany on our side now. I once watched a very good TV miniseries called "The Winds of War". It went thru the 30's leading up to World War 2. How you would have been a fool to not see the war coming. I believe the same is happening now. You would be a fool to not see World War 3 shaping up on the horizon. And the world is running towards that horizon at a rapid pace. This latest front opening up was planned and has already met many of its goals. It has stopped the peace process in the Middle East, It has changed focus of politicians and aid to the main war effort in Ukraine, And while it may turn out to be a desperate act by Putin and Iran to open this front, and it will bring down a wrath of fire from the Israelis, It has certainly widened the war with "the west". Where were you Grandpa when WWIII started? That is a good question. We don't call it World War 3 yet, but then back in World War 2, no one called it that either. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:12:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: World will be at war soon ... Most likely, and the slow response by the west in general, and the U.S. in particular to russia's invasion of UA, has caused this. WWII didn't start with the invasion of Poland or Pearl Harbor. It started started when Japan invaded Manchuria, the world just didn't understand that WWII had started. That's how this goes though. Deception and attack. Moves and counter moves. It doesn't go the way you think, so more moves and counter moves. Still isn't going how you thought. You get allies to open new fronts to relieve pressure on you, and/ or to punish non active combatant countries for supporting your adversaries. More and more countries get drawn into active combat status and next thing you know, the world is in flames and you aren't sure how it happened. When it's all over, and you look back at it with hindsight you go, Oh yeah, I see where we could have headed all this off! A firm and fast response to the initial aggression would have stopped all this! Gee, lets never make that mistake again. And that lesson is promptly forgotten, or ignored, by future generations because, well... they know better.  |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:13:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Just read the posts that have a twitter link in them and skip over the others. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By 7empest: I am going to take a break for a couple days before I get banned. Keep up the good fight everyone. Just read the posts that have a twitter link in them and skip over the others. I made the mistake and clicked on the Israel thread. 
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:14:24 PM EDT
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Seems like every day now Tokmak is getting hit. Hopefully it is severely disrupting Russian logistics and command.
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:21:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_4160-2984027.jpg
The third vessel, the bulk carrier Castor, is currently loading in Pivdennyi. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:24:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Russian TG
I'm not an expert, but I'll try to express my opinion. The front line of this war has become much larger than passing through Ukraine. What will this do for us? Significant weakening of the enemy, with strengthening of his potential. Missiles 800+ km with the right to use them, with a constant front line. The war will either end soon or will just begin. Only this will be full-fledged terror on both sides. The next two months will show that. ✏️ @ieZekiil_9 2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣ https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1128 There is no doubt about the participation of our specialists in the attack on Israel. Preparation in modern combat conditions is clearly visible. ✏️ @ieZekiil_9 2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣ https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1130 Now we got around to seeing what Israel has with Palestine again. Well, as if the question is not in Palestine, but in Iran (and its proxies). The picture is now seen very differently, so I will adjust the current vision of the situation for us. Firstly, the death of civilians during intense hostilities is collateral damage, which may be more or less, but it always happens. And all sides are trying to hide such results from their side (ALL sides, ALL), but here there is a demonstrative shooting of civilians by the Palestinians and an open recruitment of hostages. Accordingly, this will cause a lot of consequences even for us. Secondly, with a chance for us - cancellation. And with the chance to bargain favorably with Iran, cancellation is even more so. Now is the time to push Syria to China (it seems like it’s already been agreed upon, so why are we delaying?) and transfer all the forces here, where these forces are critically needed. A regional distracting conflict is one thing, but to get involved in an international war on the side of dashing and frostbitten guys, but technologically backward - let's leave it without us for now, we are still having our own party with excesses here. And moving on to attempts to resolve the Ukrainian issue “taking advantage of the opportunity” is a bad time. Thirdly, the question of diplomacy arises. I’m a military man, I don’t go there, but a nuance has arisen: in terms of the level of attention, the Arab-Israeli conflict has eclipsed the topic of the Northern Military District in a big way. This means that the scale of Russia in world geopolitics is much inferior to the scale of Israel. It's obscenely strong. And if it turns out that the enemy succeeds in creating a kind of “Palestinization of the perception of Russians” in the world, then military problems for us will become a matter of time. Fourthly, we now need to negotiate with the Palestinians and Iranians about only one thing: so that they do not copy our rhetoric to justify their actions. Because this is a setup of such a level that it’s better not to. Fifthly, it is better not to condescendingly spit at the IDF or Mossad, who “missed everything.” Because at the beginning of summer, some columns almost reached Moscow, and neither the FSB, nor the Ministry of Internal Affairs, nor the Russian Guard responded in any way. Sixth, if our entire strategy rests on waiting until “they stop helping Ukraine,” then we need to do something with such strategists. Because we didn’t give an ultimatum to Ukraine, because now such “conflicts” will receive unpleasantly more attention. Well, because the scale of what is happening clearly hints that someone will ultimately be charged for all the chaos that is happening in the world. And there is only one viable candidate emerging. https://t.me/shouvalov/131 The topic of nuclear tests and "Sarmat" on combat duty somehow abruptly faded into the shadows. But for us this topic - just like in the old song - is both dangerous and difficult. But as is my habit, I’ll start with distant examples. Checks in the army are the norm and routine, and a special ritual that does not relate to monitoring the combat condition of people and equipment. The fence must be painted, the equipment must shine. Even if the equipment does not travel without a tow, but shines beautifully in orderly rows, this is often better than if it cuts through the roads in dust and dirt in front of the hands. And technical systems have one peculiarity: the more complex the system, the more difficult it is for someone to personally verify its functionality. The same Yars should not shoot when a hand appears - he should inspire fear with his very appearance. And I also have to ride, especially in the parade. If it drives in the parade and generally looks beautiful (the wheels are washed, the car is shiny, there are no scratches) - everything is great. Of course, special tests are carried out to verify this. And in tests, it is not the single result that is important, but the statistics. If you didn’t succeed the first time, then engineering or parachute jumping simply wasn’t for you, but with complex systems, even mistakes are nothing to worry about. Statistics are important. It’s like with the Armata: we can produce it, but we can’t supply the troops with it. Therefore, in theory everything is good and even very good, but in practice there is room for confusion. And there is another secret rule in the army, well known even to young lieutenants: if some area is controlled only according to reports, but without inspections, everything there is not at all as in the reports. Because the situation, left to chance, flows towards failure. These are the basics of the service. So this is what I've been getting at for so long. Nuclear weapons are an area that cannot be controlled by practical tests - there are only reports. And all - in closed mode, when it is impossible to double-check. Because nuclear weapons are something that should lie and scare, not shoot. And even in the most ideal case, the real assessment on nuclear weapons can be characterized as “in principle, it seems to work.” This is in the most ideal case. But if tanks, air defense and other systems can be tested in real conditions and defects can be seen, then “testing” of nuclear weapons takes place under conditions of a stream of theoretical assumptions: we assume how our missile will behave, we assume how the enemy’s defense will behave in response, we assume how our rocket system will behave in response - etc. We also assumed until 02/24/22. And I still consider the Russian army, modeled after the very beginning of the Great Patriotic War, as the standard of the armed forces of all modern Russia. Because in the army of that type, the officers, at best, would have sent volunteers very far away with their “loaves” and civilian Nivas, and not kissed them in the ass, as they do today. And in the case of full-fledged nuclear weapons tests, anything can happen, but it will no longer be “as before.” Because if we succeed, the enemy may get scared in different ways: maybe he will become more accommodating, or maybe he will open up a new front for us in Transcaucasia, Poland and from Finland. There are a lot more options there, but that’s not the point. Or maybe we won’t succeed, but even if we don’t succeed, it can happen in different ways: from “Holy crap, report the losses!” to “Uh-huh, it didn’t start.” But any failure, even the slightest, in testing nuclear weapons is a shot in the leg from a grenade launcher. Because one significant failure sends us into Naked King mode. Only our Naked King will be filmed with elements of horror, porn and black comedy. It’s like the splits, but with Dzhigurda instead of Volochkova, like a military parade of participants in House-2, like a naked man in a raincoat who opens his raincoat in a pond with piranhas. And I, of course, believe that our Sarmatians are completely serviceable and are going on combat duty en masse. That we didn’t pull out the Almaty, but we did it entirely with the workers “Voevoda”. That we don’t know how to mass-produce our own drones without Chinese chips, but we rivet nuclear-powered missiles in bulk. I believe it completely. But because of the autumn aggravation, I experience a strange and unsubstantiated feeling of anxiety. https://t.me/shouvalov/132 |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:27:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Kuleba: 'If Ukraine loses the war, it will be end of Europe' https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_4168-2984863.jpg
I'm used to propaganda from pro-Ukraine accounts, but the foreign minister? I don't see how this is existential for western Europe. Eastern Europe, sure. Putin and his cronies are out loud talking about full restoration of the Russian Empire to all their "historical lands." Regardless of their current level of capability, their intentions are out loud. But western Europe is not on the table, even for Putin. Unless he goes full Hitler. Hard to see that happening but, it has happened before. Anyway, seems to me Kuleba is just rhetorically pushing extra hard to keep the support flowing. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:29:11 PM EDT
[#33]
Great posts by BigGrumpyBear and KOUA.
WWW started with those ancient rivalries and they were just considered the same old shit getting stirred again. Until it drags more and more nations in. And now Serbia is still in the mix as is Eastern Europe and the Middle East. Europe has not instigated this one, yet Russia is again there to help drive the aggression. Russia and Iran are determined to control the region and mute the US. If successful, Europe is a ripe plum to pick. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:34:48 PM EDT
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[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Russian TG I'm not an expert, but I'll try to express my opinion. The front line of this war has become much larger than passing through Ukraine. What will this do for us? Significant weakening of the enemy, with strengthening of his potential. Missiles 800+ km with the right to use them, with a constant front line. The war will either end soon or will just begin. Only this will be full-fledged terror on both sides. The next two months will show that. ✏️ @ieZekiil_9 2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣ https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1128 There is no doubt about the participation of our specialists in the attack on Israel. Preparation in modern combat conditions is clearly visible. ✏️ @ieZekiil_9 2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣ https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1130 Now we got around to seeing what Israel has with Palestine again. Well, as if the question is not in Palestine, but in Iran (and its proxies). The picture is now seen very differently, so I will adjust the current vision of the situation for us. Firstly, the death of civilians during intense hostilities is collateral damage, which may be more or less, but it always happens. And all sides are trying to hide such results from their side (ALL sides, ALL), but here there is a demonstrative shooting of civilians by the Palestinians and an open recruitment of hostages. Accordingly, this will cause a lot of consequences even for us. Secondly, with a chance for us - cancellation. And with the chance to bargain favorably with Iran, cancellation is even more so. Now is the time to push Syria to China (it seems like it’s already been agreed upon, so why are we delaying?) and transfer all the forces here, where these forces are critically needed. A regional distracting conflict is one thing, but to get involved in an international war on the side of dashing and frostbitten guys, but technologically backward - let's leave it without us for now, we are still having our own party with excesses here. And moving on to attempts to resolve the Ukrainian issue “taking advantage of the opportunity” is a bad time. Thirdly, the question of diplomacy arises. I’m a military man, I don’t go there, but a nuance has arisen: in terms of the level of attention, the Arab-Israeli conflict has eclipsed the topic of the Northern Military District in a big way. This means that the scale of Russia in world geopolitics is much inferior to the scale of Israel. It's obscenely strong. And if it turns out that the enemy succeeds in creating a kind of “Palestinization of the perception of Russians” in the world, then military problems for us will become a matter of time. Fourthly, we now need to negotiate with the Palestinians and Iranians about only one thing: so that they do not copy our rhetoric to justify their actions. Because this is a setup of such a level that it’s better not to. Fifthly, it is better not to condescendingly spit at the IDF or Mossad, who “missed everything.” Because at the beginning of summer, some columns almost reached Moscow, and neither the FSB, nor the Ministry of Internal Affairs, nor the Russian Guard responded in any way. Sixth, if our entire strategy rests on waiting until “they stop helping Ukraine,” then we need to do something with such strategists. Because we didn’t give an ultimatum to Ukraine, because now such “conflicts” will receive unpleasantly more attention. Well, because the scale of what is happening clearly hints that someone will ultimately be charged for all the chaos that is happening in the world. And there is only one viable candidate emerging. https://t.me/shouvalov/131 Wow. Those are powerful observations. Especially the closing. Well, because the scale of what is happening clearly hints that someone will ultimately be charged for all the chaos that is happening in the world. And there is only one viable candidate emerging. And this gem: That we don’t know how to mass-produce our own drones without Chinese chips, but we rivet nuclear-powered missiles in bulk. I believe it completely. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:34:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: Call your congress critters and ask that spending for both be rolled into a single omnibus aid package for Nations Fighting Terrorism and Aggression. Make them vote on both at the same time and you would pull votes from each side of the isle that wouldn't vote for both independently. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Great news if true.
Let's see Congress inevitably discuss sending Israel an aid package while denying Ukraine Call your congress critters and ask that spending for both be rolled into a single omnibus aid package for Nations Fighting Terrorism and Aggression. Make them vote on both at the same time and you would pull votes from each side of the isle that wouldn't vote for both independently. Quoted because it's a good idea and needs visibility. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:36:24 PM EDT
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[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Most likely, and the slow response by the west in general, and the U.S. in particular to russia's invasion of UA, has caused this. WWII didn't start with the invasion of Poland or Pearl Harbor. It started started when Japan invaded Manchuria, the world just didn't understand that WWII had started. That's how this goes though. Deception and attack. Moves and counter moves. It doesn't go the way you think, so more moves and counter moves. Still isn't going how you thought. You get allies to open new fronts to relieve pressure on you, and/ or to punish non active combatant countries for supporting your adversaries. More and more countries get drawn into active combat status and next thing you know, the world is in flames and you aren't sure how it happened. When it's all over, and you look back at it with hindsight you go, Oh yeah, I see where we could have headed all this off! A firm and fast response to the initial aggression would have stopped all this! Gee, lets never make that mistake again. And that lesson is promptly forgotten, or ignored, by future generations because, well... they know better. I submit that all governments are inherently unable to do the "right" thing. Even if it is known that appeasement doesn't work, some kind of appeasement will be tried, or at least discussed while stalling action. Even if it is known that a large re-ordering of domestic policy and spending is required to maintain the long-term stability of the currency and the economy, it will not be done when doing so would be easier and more effective. Even if it is known that warfighting capability needs improvement, resources will not be reallocated to that purpose. Change is HARD, and sometimes the change is painful, and humans do nothing better than avoid pain, even necessary pain. Especially when organized in governments where competing interests must be considered, balanced, and addressed, where sinecures and bureaucratic fiefs must be secured and protected, painful changes are easy to avoid. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:40:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: I made the mistake and clicked on the Israel thread. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By 7empest: I am going to take a break for a couple days before I get banned. Keep up the good fight everyone. Just read the posts that have a twitter link in them and skip over the others. I made the mistake and clicked on the Israel thread. Yeah, it's like that, 10 pages of noise for one page of good info.
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:41:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: It would seem to me that WW III is shaping up pretty nicely. We are all choosing sides. Pretty much the big players have formed their lines But it will get a lot more intense and the involvement will be much greater for all. When did WWII start. Well that depends. Lets see if you were China and Japan going at it in the early 1930's, That was a "start", The bloodless annexation of the "Sudetenland" and Austria in 1938 certainly seem familiar. Crimea in 2014 anyone. The infiltration of the "little green men" in the Donbass. Yes this all has parallels to WWII. How about the invasion of Poland on Sept 1, 1939? Yeah that was the big one that got the Western European Allies involved. But we here in the US stuck it out for over 2 years, and the ignorant isolationists (just like we have now) said "lets sit this one out. We had enough of war in the big war to end all wars" The results are the same, the strategy is the same. Oh sure we sat and watched our own allies get over ran (France, Netherlands, Belgium Norway etc) and Britain bombed into ruble, but even then we would not join in with our men. No, just a steady stream of supplies to try to keep the British isles afloat. Stick your head in the sand, and pretend you are not at war. But we were at war. And we are at war now. The historians will look back and say WW III main events started in 2014 in Ukraine. But then the "big push" started Feb 2022 Now the second front on the war with the west has opened. Oh sure many of you would like to think "no, this is a regional conflict that has been going on for century's". Yep that is true as far as it goes, but who is on the side of Israel?, and who is on the other side? Well it is the same players as the war in Ukraine/Russia. Same allies, Russia, Iran, Arab Terrorist's North Korea, China all allied to one degree or another against the "west". Only the "west" now includes players like Japan and Germany on our side now. I once watched a very good TV miniseries called "The Winds of War". It went thru the 30's leading up to World War 2. How you would have been a fool to not see the war coming. I believe the same is happening now. You would be a fool to not see World War 3 shaping up on the horizon. And the world is running towards that horizon at a rapid pace. This latest front opening up was planned and has already met many of its goals. It has stopped the peace process in the Middle East, It has changed focus of politicians and aid to the main war effort in Ukraine, And while it may turn out to be a desperate act by Putin and Iran to open this front, and it will bring down a wrath of fire from the Israelis, It has certainly widened the war with "the west". Where were you Grandpa when WWIII started? That is a good question. We don't call it World War 3 yet, but then back in World War 2, no one called it that either. Yes. My question is: are we in "1938" now or "1941"? The players are forming up into the two teams now. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:53:25 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Most likely, and the slow response by the west in general, and the U.S. in particular to russia's invasion of UA, has caused this. WWII didn't start with the invasion of Poland or Pearl Harbor. It started started when Japan invaded Manchuria, the world just didn't understand that WWII had started. That's how this goes though. Deception and attack. Moves and counter moves. It doesn't go the way you think, so more moves and counter moves. Still isn't going how you thought. You get allies to open new fronts to relieve pressure on you, and/ or to punish non active combatant countries for supporting your adversaries. More and more countries get drawn into active combat status and next thing you know, the world is in flames and you aren't sure how it happened. When it's all over, and you look back at it with hindsight you go, Oh yeah, I see where we could have headed all this off! A firm and fast response to the initial aggression would have stopped all this! Gee, lets never make that mistake again. And that lesson is promptly forgotten, or ignored, by future generations because, well... they know better. "This is not Peace. It is an Armistice for twenty years." allegedly Marshall Foch. WW1 was the great seminal catastrophe of the 20th century and we are still feeling the consequences over 100 years later. 
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:56:37 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F77XeHpWcAACUhg?format=jpg&name=small
Video with no audio, which makes it…sketchy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uPoHeYiljUBut on the other hand, this makes sense https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F77ZQaKWsAAujcV?format=jpg&name=medium
Does not appear to be the same guy. If so, could he have been rescued before getting brought into Gaza? Seems unlikely but possible. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 12:57:34 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By toaster: Love when the drunk and unshaven Flork shows up with his bottle of xxx. Always makes me laugh.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By toaster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/201300/aKEyVnW_700b_jpg-2982642.JPG Love when the drunk and unshaven Flork shows up with his bottle of xxx. Always makes me laugh. You and me both.
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Posted: 10/9/2023 1:02:22 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: I'm used to propaganda from pro-Ukraine accounts, but the foreign minister? I don't see how this is existential for western Europe. Eastern Europe, sure. Putin and his cronies are out loud talking about full restoration of the Russian Empire to all their "historical lands." Regardless of their current level of capability, their intentions are out loud. But western Europe is not on the table, even for Putin. Unless he goes full Hitler. Hard to see that happening but, it has happened before. Anyway, seems to me Kuleba is just rhetorically pushing extra hard to keep the support flowing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Kuleba: 'If Ukraine loses the war, it will be end of Europe' https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_4168-2984863.jpg
I'm used to propaganda from pro-Ukraine accounts, but the foreign minister? I don't see how this is existential for western Europe. Eastern Europe, sure. Putin and his cronies are out loud talking about full restoration of the Russian Empire to all their "historical lands." Regardless of their current level of capability, their intentions are out loud. But western Europe is not on the table, even for Putin. Unless he goes full Hitler. Hard to see that happening but, it has happened before. Anyway, seems to me Kuleba is just rhetorically pushing extra hard to keep the support flowing. I believe he is speaking of long term, like over the next 30 years. If Europe decides to sit this one out and let Ukraine fall, then they will likely do the same with Moldova and Romania and the Baltics. At what point does France and Germany and Italy and Spain bestir themselves to confront Russia directly? Or does the US? One doesn’t go jelly kneed when one of the big kids gets thrashed by a bully and then suddenly rise up the champion over less consequential fights. And by the time the vacillating West does gather itself will it be too late? With Russia nearly doubling in size and resources will the late awakened Europe survive? Looking at the trend of US presidents since 1992 it would be reasonable to give good odds the US will be diplomatically adrift and not respond in 20 years. Hopefully that is not the trajectory but we better be decisive soon or we will get in the habit of fretting and backing away from Russia. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 1:08:32 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: World will be at war soon ... We are at war, we just don't know it yet. Russia is fermenting conflict in Africa and the Middle-East in the hope that it will ignite a world war. They want the west's resources divided and expended to reduce pressure on their Ukrainian adventure. They feel they have a chance if they can coerce their allies into the fray. Pretending to be their friend, they willing lead them to destruction and chaos. What are friends for? |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 1:11:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
One helluva shot, blow the walls out and the roof collapses |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 1:15:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: World will be at war soon ... It already is. It just doesn't look like all the other ones. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 1:16:43 PM EDT
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This was my first thought watching that HAMAS rampage. This is horrible and barbaric, but no different than what Russia has done through occupied areas in Ukraine. Perhaps the shock of seeing it fresh on videos will wake up the West that a much larger outrage is in progress for 19 months already. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 1:19:13 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7_45tKW0AAQO0s?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7_452RXEAAbeoR?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8ABdlFXYAACWLv?format=jpg&name=large GD is the barometer. Of course they did, even if it was only a few, for this specific current propaganda campaign. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 1:23:18 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: It would seem to me that WW III is shaping up pretty nicely. We are all choosing sides. Pretty much the big players have formed their lines But it will get a lot more intense and the involvement will be much greater for all. When did WWII start. Well that depends. Lets see if you were China and Japan going at it in the early 1930's, That was a "start", The bloodless annexation of the "Sudetenland" and Austria in 1938 certainly seem familiar. Crimea in 2014 anyone. The infiltration of the "little green men" in the Donbass. Yes this all has parallels to WWII. How about the invasion of Poland on Sept 1, 1939? Yeah that was the big one that got the Western European Allies involved. But we here in the US stuck it out for over 2 years, and the ignorant isolationists (just like we have now) said "lets sit this one out. We had enough of war in the big war to end all wars" The results are the same, the strategy is the same. Oh sure we sat and watched our own allies get over ran (France, Netherlands, Belgium Norway etc) and Britain bombed into ruble, but even then we would not join in with our men. No, just a steady stream of supplies to try to keep the British isles afloat. Stick your head in the sand, and pretend you are not at war. But we were at war. And we are at war now. The historians will look back and say WW III main events started in 2014 in Ukraine. But then the "big push" started Feb 2022 Now the second front on the war with the west has opened. Oh sure many of you would like to think "no, this is a regional conflict that has been going on for century's". Yep that is true as far as it goes, but who is on the side of Israel?, and who is on the other side? Well it is the same players as the war in Ukraine/Russia. Same allies, Russia, Iran, Arab Terrorist's North Korea, China all allied to one degree or another against the "west". Only the "west" now includes players like Japan and Germany on our side now. I once watched a very good TV miniseries called "The Winds of War". It went thru the 30's leading up to World War 2. How you would have been a fool to not see the war coming. I believe the same is happening now. You would be a fool to not see World War 3 shaping up on the horizon. And the world is running towards that horizon at a rapid pace. This latest front opening up was planned and has already met many of its goals. It has stopped the peace process in the Middle East, It has changed focus of politicians and aid to the main war effort in Ukraine, And while it may turn out to be a desperate act by Putin and Iran to open this front, and it will bring down a wrath of fire from the Israelis, It has certainly widened the war with "the west". Where were you Grandpa when WWIII started? That is a good question. We don't call it World War 3 yet, but then back in World War 2, no one called it that either. qft |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 1:46:09 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: The constant barrage of existential threats broke many. GD reminds me of this lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLxPIOxgkM0That was...something else.
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Posted: 10/9/2023 1:48:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Yes. My question is: are we in "1938" now or "1941"? The players are forming up into the two teams now. |
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