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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:06:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote Historylol, I was grossed out by the fact that actually happened. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:12:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, I was grossed out by the fact that actually happened. Well... Click To View Spoiler |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:22:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, I was grossed out by the fact that actually happened. Well... Click To View Spoiler I know, they can turn around and go home at any time. If they don't, you risk getting your battle buddies thumb in your ass. 
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:47:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
 That’s a lotta whirly stuff! |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:49:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: In the longer vid the T-90 is out of control and drives in to a tree all with it's turret spinning uncontrolably. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Originally Posted By Lightning_P38: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEHHne0X0AAy6-x?format=jpg&name=medium I wish I kept the image, someone had a perfect image of the T-90 in parade colors, and below the same tank, same angle, just wrecked after that Bradley got to it. In the longer vid the T-90 is out of control and drives in to a tree all with it's turret spinning uncontrolably. “Things were going badly. Then they spiraled out of control” Straight out of the Russian mobik training manual! |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:49:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: *snort* lol. I don't know how that works. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://x.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1748011885813772505?s=20 Another picture of HAWK missiles in Ukrainian service. One is former US Army stock & one is former USMC. The Marines were the most recent US operator of HAWK. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEIvWEkWcAA6eUH?format=jpg&name=large Are they hoping the Marine one will get the Army one pregnant to increase supply? *snort* lol. I don't know how that works. Warhead into exhaust port I guess. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 6:53:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:15:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Maybe the translation is dodgy, but I’m having a hard time getting most of his point. My best guess is that he means “we were deceived” in the sense that “the west suckered us into a quagmire in Ukraine.” This would be in line with some of what we heard from alleged FSB sources early in the war. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Prime: Shouvalov I am always for it when it comes to misleading the enemy, but I am strongly against it when we mislead ourselves instead of the enemy, so that individual bastards can escape responsibility for the worst screw-ups. Regrouping from near Kyiv is not a “gesture of goodwill” and not “we were deceived.” The strategy “we are moving in quickly, they are not resisting” did not work, and this could be understood at the very beginning of March even by the most stupid. The blitzkrieg plan was crap because the army was given the wrong instructions from the start. With the amount of forces we had then, it was impossible to complete the task of such a breakthrough (without the condition of a successful blitzkrieg). Therefore, regrouping was inevitable - in those days we already lost more modern (emphasis on the word “modern”) equipment than we have in service today. This can only be refuted by those whose A-50 landed safely on the night of the 15th. Coinciding the inevitable regrouping with the signing of something there in Istanbul (wouldn’t it be time to show us all the signed document?) - this is tactically correct. It was wrong “to avoid decadent moods” to form ceremonial columns and march them to the delight of the enemy’s artillery. About the wrong - this time. Now it seems that the version about “we were deceived, we moved away from Kyiv” is beginning to be believed at the very top. And this means that the monstrous political (not military, but political) miscalculation of the beginning of the non-war has been nullified. And it’s okay that the perpetrators will not be punished - it’s not customary for the army to bother with such nonsense. The lousy thing is that no conclusions have been drawn and never will be. But this is already a problem. A sober analysis of any situation and debriefing is the key to the ability to correctly plan your actions, taking into account your own strengths and the enemy’s response capabilities. Once the people believed that “we were deceived, we moved away” - everything is bad. For future decisions. And for the life and health of those who will pay for such decisions directly in the combat zone. You fucking guppies, I don’t intend to put it any other way. https://t.me/shouvalov/180 Maybe the translation is dodgy, but I’m having a hard time getting most of his point. My best guess is that he means “we were deceived” in the sense that “the west suckered us into a quagmire in Ukraine.” This would be in line with some of what we heard from alleged FSB sources early in the war. I can never make out even half of what these Ruskies mean. We need the original Russian Text, and then a Russian native speaker to translate it into English ALONG WITH an explanation of the meaning of the words and the nuances of the language. It is like trying to understand Jive. Even you you do make out all the words, it often makes no sense because you have no understanding of the cultural significance of the words. The end result is just a bunch of crap with maybe a half understanding at best. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:15:22 PM EDT
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No clue why he said it's no problem for the T-64. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:16:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:29:50 PM EDT
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Ukraine Seeks to Organize Call with China’s Xi to Push Leaders Summit
Ukraine’s Kuleba says working to set up Zelenskiy talk with Xi ‘There are things that they can talk about,’ Kuleba says By Annmarie Hordern and Kateryna Chursina January 18, 2024 at 9:30 AM EST Updated on January 18, 2024 at 10:38 AM EST Ukraine’s top diplomat said Kyiv is seeking to organize a call with Chinese President Xi Jinping as the war-battered nation plans a leaders summit to push forward its blueprint for peace. Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba, attending the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, said the government is pushing for the direct channel between Xi and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy. “There are things that they can talk about,” Kuleba said in an interview with Bloomberg Television on Thursday. Zelenskiy’s peace formula is “a way to restore long lasting just peace in Ukraine.” China has called for negotiations toward peace but maintained its ties with Russia, declining to condemn President Vladimir Putin’s invasion. Xi and Zelenskiy have spoken once since the invasion began almost two years, in April 2023, when Xi said talks are “the only viable way out of the Ukraine crisis.” Zelenskiy on Monday unveiled plans for a high-level meeting in Switzerland later this year to move forward with Ukraine’s initiative, which insists that Russian forces withdraw completely from Ukrainian territory. Security officials from more than 80 nations met in Davos Sunday to discuss the blueprint, but the meeting ended with no clear path forward. China didn’t attend, although Premier Li Qiang was present at Davos. Zelenskiy, who met with the Swiss president soon after Li had a bilateral meeting at the same location near Bern, later said he didn’t meet with him for protocol reasons — as president, his counterpart is Xi. Swiss Foreign Minister Ignazio Cassis, who co-chaired the Ukraine gathering on Sunday, said the meeting is probably the final one in the current format, leaving the next steps unclear. Some nations see the summit pitched by Ukraine as premature, while others want to immediately involve Russia in the process. Ukraine is urging allies to step up the supply of weapons and ensure long-term financial support for the country against Kremlin forces. Zelenskiy told attendees in Davos that assistance to Kyiv is an investment in Western security. More than $100 billion in US and European Union funding is currently held up amid political infighting. In Washington, Congressional leaders said they were cautiously optimistic about reaching a deal on Ukraine aid with concessions to Republicans on border security after a meeting with President Joe Biden on Wednesday. “We received reassurance that the US aid is on its way,” Kuleba said. “The Congress is not debating aid to Ukraine per se, there is no disagreement to what extent Ukraine should be helped.” Kuleba echoed Zelenskiy’s pitch that funding for Ukraine’s war effort was an investment in Western security. “Whatever the price of supporting Ukraine today is, the price of fixing the mess in the world if Ukraine loses will be much much higher,” Kuleba told Bloomberg. — With assistance from Lisa Abramowicz, Jonathan Ferro, and Daryna Krasnolutska https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-18/kyiv-seeks-to-organize-call-with-xi-to-push-leaders-summit |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:34:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEJ0lpxWwAAaNK2?format=jpg&name=large
That vid needs to be longer and show the TOW launch. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:36:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
After the war ends, Ukraine will be in the running for the go-to place for small drone manufacturers. I remember back in the day when Chris Anderson talked about why they ended up going to ChinaIsAsshoe to get their machines produced. It was all about scaling up for the consumer market. Since there weren't enough domestic suppliers to scale up, they went abroad. It was a stupid decision because ChinaIsAsshoe prioritized DJI and other local producers over US customers. So, essentially, 3D Robotics gave away the small drone market to DJI. If Ukraine scales up to produce 1 million (or the 3-5 million they say they need), then they will be very competitive with ChinaIsAsshoe. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:36:58 PM EDT
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For the first time, Ukrainian drones reached St. Petersburg, roughly 850 km from the border. There's some confusion regarding the number of drones, but one of them supposedly crashed on the territory of an oil terminal and caused a small fire. Ukrainian official claimed it flew 1250 km, but didn't identify the model of the drone. I think the longest range model so far is the Beaver, capable of traveling out to about 1000km. In other, somewhat related news, it turns out that those shahed looking drones listed on Alibaba aren't meant for surveying. What's particularly interesting is this: "This item is customized for one big client in UKR [Ukraine]." I don't think this drone was used for the St. Petersburg strike, given that the Ukrainian official says it was a domestically produced system. Still, an interesting development.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:45:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jaehaerys: For the first time, Ukrainian drones reached St. Petersburg, roughly 850 km from the border. There's some confusion regarding the number of drones, but one of them supposedly crashed on the territory of an oil terminal and caused a small fire. Ukrainian official claimed it flew 1250 km, but didn't identify the model of the drone. I think the longest range model so far is the Beaver, capable of traveling out to about 1000km. In other, somewhat related news, it turns out that those shahed looking drones listed on Alibaba aren't meant for surveying. What's particularly interesting is this: "This item is customized for one big client in UKR [Ukraine]." I don't think this drone was used for the St. Petersburg strike, given that the Ukrainian official says it was a domestically produced system. Still, an interesting development. Theoretically, you could buy an airframe and powerplant from Alibaba, stuff it with an autopilot, comm links, and whatever payload you want it to carry, and then you could legitimately claim it was domestically produced.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:46:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jaehaerys: For the first time, Ukrainian drones reached St. Petersburg, roughly 850 km from the border. There's some confusion regarding the number of drones, but one of them supposedly crashed on the territory of an oil terminal and caused a small fire. Ukrainian official claimed it flew 1250 km, but didn't identify the model of the drone. I think the longest range model so far is the Beaver, capable of traveling out to about 1000km. In other, somewhat related news, it turns out that those shahed looking drones listed on Alibaba aren't meant for surveying. What's particularly interesting is this: "This item is customized for one big client in UKR [Ukraine]." I don't think this drone was used for the St. Petersburg strike, given that the Ukrainian official says it was a domestically produced system. Still, an interesting development. I dunno what the rules are like in other states, but Chinese drones can't be used on state projects here. Our big dog is made by Harris Aerial. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:53:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: I can never make out even half of what these Ruskies mean. We need the original Russian Text, and then a Russian native speaker to translate it into English ALONG WITH an explanation of the meaning of the words and the nuances of the language. It is like trying to understand Jive. Even you you do make out all the words, it often makes no sense because you have no understanding of the cultural significance of the words. The end result is just a bunch of crap with maybe a half understanding at best. I'm glad it's not just me. I even learned some Russian in the 90s. It doesn't help. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:53:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/201300/zekle_jpg-3098375.JPG This is no fake. A real post from the Orc MFA on Twitter.   What's his ARFCOM handle? |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 7:58:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m:
No clue why he said it's no problem for the T-64. I found: T-64 ground pressure: 5.7 psi T-72 ground pressure: 12.8 psi T-80 ground pressure: 12.4 psi Leopard 2: 11.8 psi Bradley: 7.7 psi |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 8:00:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m:
No clue why he said it's no problem for the T-64. T-64's suspension is essentially the best for sticky mud. It beats out the T-72; the T-72 is notorious for getting stuck where the T-64 keeps powering on. There's a reason Ukraine kept the T-64 in service...(besides manufacturing it). EDIT: It's not just ground pressure; but the configuration of the T-64 rollers, suspension, etc all contribute to keep mud from getting jammed into the suspension. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 8:09:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jaehaerys: For the first time, Ukrainian drones reached St. Petersburg, roughly 850 km from the border. There's some confusion regarding the number of drones, but one of them supposedly crashed on the territory of an oil terminal and caused a small fire. Ukrainian official claimed it flew 1250 km, but didn't identify the model of the drone. I think the longest range model so far is the Beaver, capable of traveling out to about 1000km. In other, somewhat related news, it turns out that those shahed looking drones listed on Alibaba aren't meant for surveying. What's particularly interesting is this: "This item is customized for one big client in UKR [Ukraine]." I don't think this drone was used for the St. Petersburg strike, given that the Ukrainian official says it was a domestically produced system. Still, an interesting development. Very interesting developments. 
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Posted: 1/18/2024 8:09:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vahog: I found: T-64 ground pressure: 5.7 psi T-72 ground pressure: 12.8 psi T-80 ground pressure: 12.4 psi Leopard 2: 11.8 psi Bradley: 7.7 psi |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 8:13:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Cvrt Spartan about 4.5 psi Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By vahog: I found: T-64 ground pressure: 5.7 psi T-72 ground pressure: 12.8 psi T-80 ground pressure: 12.4 psi Leopard 2: 11.8 psi Bradley: 7.7 psi M1A2 15.4 |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 8:13:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Very interesting developments. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Jaehaerys: For the first time, Ukrainian drones reached St. Petersburg, roughly 850 km from the border. There's some confusion regarding the number of drones, but one of them supposedly crashed on the territory of an oil terminal and caused a small fire. Ukrainian official claimed it flew 1250 km, but didn't identify the model of the drone. I think the longest range model so far is the Beaver, capable of traveling out to about 1000km. In other, somewhat related news, it turns out that those shahed looking drones listed on Alibaba aren't meant for surveying. What's particularly interesting is this: "This item is customized for one big client in UKR [Ukraine]." I don't think this drone was used for the St. Petersburg strike, given that the Ukrainian official says it was a domestically produced system. Still, an interesting development. Very interesting developments. I’ll laugh my fuckin’ ass off if the Ukrainians start firing Chinese-made Shaheds at Russia and Iran. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 8:14:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: That vid needs to be longer and show the TOW launch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEJ0lpxWwAAaNK2?format=jpg&name=large
That vid needs to be longer and show the TOW launch. I think this Bradley has an anti drone jamming system, good to see.
 
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Posted: 1/18/2024 8:15:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: That vid needs to be longer and show the TOW launch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEJ0lpxWwAAaNK2?format=jpg&name=large
That vid needs to be longer and show the TOW launch. The follow up vid shows an fpv drone hit it with rpg type warhead, no catestrophic boom but its pretty fucked up. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 8:22:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m:
Needs shitty Russian techno. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 8:24:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Very long thread on Ukrainian POWs. Some translation issues. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Very long thread on Ukrainian POWs. Some translation issues. 1/ .In Russian captivity: what is happening to the Ukrainian military outside the walls of Russian prisons.The first prisoner exchange since the beginning of a full-scale war took place on March 1, 2022 in Sumy region. Then five Ukrainian servicemen were returned from captivity. From that time until June 15, 2023, 43 more exchanges are known. In total, about 2.5 thousand Ukrainian army soldiers were returned from captivity. There is no exact number of prisoners who are currently in the Russian Federation, but we are talking about thousands of people. Some of them are being held in the occupied territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions, but most of them were taken to Russia by Russians.42 places of detention in the Russian Federation — pre-trial detention centers and Correctional colonies-were identified. They are located both in the regions bordering Ukraine and in the interior of the country. On the eve of a full-scale invasion or after February 24, 2022, they were released from Russian citizens. Russian prisoners remained in their places of detention as personnel.From February 24, 2022 to June 15, 2023, documentary filmmakers interviewed more than 50 servicemen released from Russian captivity during exchanges. Analyzing the collected evidence, it is clear that Russia uses systematic policies and methods of treating Ukrainian prisoners. They are common to all places of detention. We are talking, in particular, about inadequate conditions of detention of prisoners, physical and moral torture, poor nutrition and poor-quality, and in some places there is no medical care at all. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEEqWlGWkAAEsao?format=jpg&name=mediumhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEEqWvdXUAAfkeM?format=jpg&name=mediumhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEEqXB7WgAA1ePR?format=jpg&name=mediumhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEEqXQMWMAAT-GP?format=jpg&name=medium
2/ .The vast majority of military personnel say that immediately after being captured, Ukrainian soldiers are beaten, interrogated with physical violence, and kept in a basement, pit, or temporary prisoner-of-war camp for several days. After that, the prisoners are taken to places of permanent detention — to pre-trial detention centers or colonies. They are transported in overcrowded trucks, blindfolded, without food or water, and are often subjected to physical violence. Moving from the truck to the cells in the place of detention is called acceptance by prisoners. This process is the same everywhere. The prisoners are taken out of their cars, near which they are waiting for a line of Russian special forces in full combat readiness — with batons and stun guns. Passing by them, prisoners of war are subjected to crushing, powerful and massive blows from the Russian military, who hit them on various parts of the body using batons and stun guns. Most often they hit you on the back and legs.Even prisoners with serious injuries, combat medics and prisoners with amputations go through the brutal admission procedure, regardless of age, gender or health status. After that, fingerprints and DNA samples are taken from all military personnel who were captured in the Russian Federation. They are also photographed. Sometimes they do a blood test. Subsequently, they are given prison uniforms, their personal belongings are taken away and taken to their cells.The conditions of detention depend on the institution where prisoners of war are placed. Pre — trial detention centers are a classic prison with heavy metal doors, barred windows, iron bunks and a toilet inside. The cell accommodates from 2 to 20 people. Additional bunks are often added. Those who do not have enough space in the cell are sent to the punishment cell — a solitary cell located in the basement of the institution, where Russians often hold up to four prisoners. In correctional colonies, the Ukrainian military is placed in barracks, where prisoners live in large rooms designed for 10-50 people. Sometimes there can be about 100 people in such a room, former prisoners compare them to military barracks. There, people have a little more freedom of movement than in the pre-trial detention center, because they are taken to the dining room for a meal, and each barrack has its own courtyard. Colonies also have penal isolation cells-the same cells as in pre-trial detention centers.
3/ .The rules for prisoners of war in all institutions where they are held are the same. Wake up at 6 am. At this time, the prisoners are required to stand up and sing the national anthem of Russia, each prisoner should know it by heart. It is strictly forbidden to sit on beds during the day, and each cell must have a duty officer responsible for order and dishes. Twice, and sometimes even three times a day, the cells are checked for the presence of prohibited items. Personal hygiene products are issued in limited quantities, when they run out, additional ones are not issued. Prisoners are rarely taken to the shower, usually given no more than 5 minutes to wash, and prisoners are often washed in cold water.All the testimonies of former prisoners documented by the MIPL are united by the fact of systematic use of physical and psychological violence against the Ukrainian military. This happens almost around the clock. The intensity of beatings increases during meals, shower visits, and cell checks. There are cases of torture during interrogations. Interrogations are conducted by the military, representatives of places of detention, the Federal Security Service (FSB), and the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation. Usually, prisoners do not know which body they are communicating with — they are dressed in military uniforms, but without chevrons and shoulder straps. At the moment when prisoners of war are allowed to sign a document, the name of the interrogator is closed.The topics of interest to investigators are quite limited: the positions of the “Right Sector” and the “Azov” Regiment, the participation of foreign mercenaries in the war, the creation of biological laboratories. That is, they ask about all the fakes that Russian propaganda spreads. Last of all, they are interested in the possible involvement of prisoners in the commission of war crimes. Often interrogations are accompanied by torture, beating with batons and using a stun gun until it is discharged. The purpose of interrogations is not to obtain objective information, but to force the person to take the blame determined in advance by the person conducting the interrogation. If the prisoner breaks down, the so — called investigation usually begins, and then the trial begins. The MIPL is aware of several dozen cases when criminal cases were initiated and convicted against captured Ukrainian soldiers on the territory of the Russian Federation.
4/ .If a prisoner has injuries or serious chronic illnesses, they usually do not receive medical attention. Almost everyone who has been in captivity and interviewed by MIPL documents claims that usually a request for medical help ends in a beating, so those who need it prefer to remain silent, although they suffer from diseases. Some say that often medical workers refuse to come to the request of the prisoner, and when they come, along with the medicines that are issued, the guards prescribe their own treatment — several blows with a baton. Physical force is also applied to patients by doctors http://themselves.In many cases, military personnel refer to food in places of detention as torture. Very often, only 2-3 minutes are given for a meal, the dishes are extremely hot, so the prisoners always go with their mouths burned. The extremely poor quality of nutrition is evidenced by the fact that most of those released have a critical weight loss — from 10 to 30 kilograms. They claim that they were hungry in captivity all the time. The only thing that helped save at least some energy was bread.Sometimes prisoners are given the opportunity to inform their relatives about the fact, but not the place of detention. Such letters are written under dictation. Before that, the prisoners are given a draft indicating what is allowed and forbidden to write. Among what is allowed is information that a person is alive and well, kept in good conditions, with a normal diet and proper medicine. It is strictly forbidden to complain and name the place of stay. There are also known cases of deaths in captivity. The military personnel we interviewed report that they have seen or heard about the deaths of military personnel.
5/ .Without proper nutrition and due to the constant beating of many prisoners, the heart can not stand it, it happens that the guards do not count on the strength with which they beat the Ukrainian military. In April 2023, during a body Exchange, Russia returned the bodies of two servicemen who were captured in Mariupol last year. The capture of both was officially confirmed by the International Committee of the Red Cross, so the family was waiting for their release. In return, they received bodies. Both men were held in places of detention in the Ivanovo region. One is in pre — trial detention center No. 2 in Kineshma, the second is in correctional colony No. 5 in Kohma.The men died in the fall of 2022, the cause of death was not reported to their relatives.Prisoners of war are often moved between different places of detention on the territory of Russia. Former prisoners believe that this is how the Russian Federation is trying to hide a person, confuse his search, and also so that prisoners of war do not get used to the place of detention and cannot subsequently identify the personnel involved in bullying them. Because of this, the list and geography of places of detention of prisoners from Ukraine in the Russian Federation are constantly expanding. As a result, it is extremely difficult to identify them, and some prisoners released from captivity have a minimum of data, without even knowing what area they were in. This information is carefully hidden from them. For example, one of the former prisoners, after staying in Stary Oskol, Belgorod region, and Donskoy, Tula region, was transferred to a place that the man tells only about: “we went by train for two days. It was very cold, the conditions were harsh. None of the prisoners there has the slightest idea where the pre-trial detention center is located. Even on a tube of toothpaste, someone erased information about its place of production.”Based on detailed surveys of military personnel released from captivity, we collected information about most of the known places of detention on the territory of the Russian Federation and mapped them. In this analysis, we will talk about ten of them. These are places where the largest number of prisoners of war are held and where a large number of war crimes are committed. After analyzing open sources, we identified the addresses of places of detention and identified their managers.
6/ .Sizo No. 2 in the Bryansk region.Address: 9 Krasnaya Ploshchad, Novozybkov, Bryansk region, Russia, 243000 Head of the institution: Dmitry Ivanovich Nesterov Contacts: +7 (48343) 3-09-52, e-mail: [email protected] The prison is located in the Russian city of Novozybkov, 170 km from Chernihiv. As of April 2023, at least 550 Ukrainian prisoners of war and civilian hostages were held here. The Russian Federation denies that Ukrainian citizens are in jail.According to eyewitnesses, on the eve of a full-scale invasion, Russia released the premises of the detention center from its prisoners specifically for Ukrainian citizens. Those who were put in jail at the beginning of the Great War say that the guards said about the short — term detention of Ukrainians-a month or a month and a half, that the war would end very quickly, that the prisoners would return home. Released through an exchange in May 2022, Alexander (name changed at the request of a witness) describes the process of getting into a pre-trial detention center. He says they were dragged out of the car and kicked towards the prison entrance: “we fell. As soon as you get up, they kick you again. You need to lower your head, yell at you, dogs bark.whoever the dog gets — it will tear off a piece of that.”"During acceptance, all my ribs were broken, one still sticks out. We were all beaten very hard, our legs were blue. Everything was healing for a month, I couldn't go to bed and get out of bed,” recalls another prisoner of the pre — trial detention center Vladislav, a former prisoner of war. The prison has two rooms. One is three — story, the second is five-story. Prisoners are constantly transferred from one cell to another, from one floor to another, from one building to another. Thus, one person can change 4-6 cells during ten months of captivity. The size of the cameras is small, available for 2, 3 or 4 people. There are also those where 26 people are being held. The prisoners are picked up at 6 a.m. and kicked out of their cells. An employee of the pre-trial detention center goes inside, taps the walls with a hammer. During the day, prisoners are required to stand in a cell and not move. If someone starts walking, Special Forces run in and beat them. You can only sit down for a few minutes during breakfast, lunch and dinner. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEEwBrjW4AAsqcx?format=jpg&name=small
7/ .“When I was in the cell on the third floor, we were kicked in our Berets. They ordered me to bend very low. Tall guys who couldn't physically bend so low Got More,” says former prisoner of war Vladislav. Mass beatings of prisoners take place against the background of news from the front, when Ukrainians fight back against the Russians. "Once they ran in, started beating us, shouting: “Ukrainians, freaks, we are a gesture of goodwill to you, we are moving away from Kiev, and your Bandera fascists are shooting at our backs from balconies, bushes, manholes,” says former prisoner Alexander. Most of all, Russians mock men with patriotic tattoos or former atoshniki. Treatment in Bryansk pre-trial detention center No. 2 is conditional. No one treats injuries caused by the beating.Once a week, prisoners are taken to the shower. Sometimes they are allowed to breathe fresh air for 5-7 minutes. Feed three times a day, the portions are very small. Witnesses say that lunch (and this is watery soup, stew and a piece of bread) fit in half an aluminum mug. “We both fell asleep hungry and woke up hungry. I returned from captivity minus 18 kg. This is in two months, " says former hostage Alexander. Prisoners are constantly taken away for interrogations, which are conducted either by representatives of the special services of the Russian Federation, who are wearing balaclavas and do not name their positions, or by representatives of the military prosecutor's office, who sometimes introduce themselves and hand over the interrogation protocol to the prisoner for signature. Different people can interrogate the same prisoner three or four times a day. Those who are of particular interest to Russians are regularly interrogated.Special attention is paid to Russification in Bryansk pre-trial detention center No. 2. To do this, prisoners are forced to sing the national anthem of Russia every morning, exclaim: “Glory to Russia!"They are also constantly called fascists, Nazis, and forced to stop speaking Ukrainian. Employees of the pre-trial detention center convince the prisoners that Ukraine is no longer there, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine were defeated in the war with Russia. They are also asked to sign a statement stating that they refuse to exchange. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEEwX00W0AE_jq_?format=jpg&name=medium https://twitter.com/MykhailoRohoza/status/1747731319814013256 8/ .Correctional colony No. 7 in the Belgorod region.Address: 1A Timiryazev STR., Valuiki, Belgorod region, Russia, 309990 Head of the institution: Andrey Vyacheslavovich Dmitriev Contacts: +7(47236) 3-16-08, +7(47236) 3-23-00, e-mail: [email protected] Correctional colony No. 7 in Valuiki is one of two high — security institutions in the Belgorod region. The colony is designed to accommodate 1,200 people. It is fenced along the perimeter with a high grid and walls. The territory is divided into residential and industrial zones, there is a penal isolation ward. The entrance to the colony is only through the checkpoint, on the second floor there is a duty station, an office of the head of the colony, a room for online participation of prisoners in court sessions.On the territory of the colony there are buildings, they are called “units”, the premises are similar to military barracks. Each building has a sleeping section, filled mainly with bunk beds, a recreation room, a shower room, a toilet, and an office of the head of the section. The buildings have courtyards. Each section is assigned an employee of the colony, he is an intermediary between the deprived of liberty and the administration of the colony.Ukrainian prisoner of war Volodymyr was taken to VK No. 7 after spending a month in pre-trial detention center No. 2 in Stary Oskol. He says that physical and moral violence is used against prisoners in the colony. Some of the prisoners are kept in barracks, the rest — in a pre-trial detention center. According to him, there are many prisoners from Kharkiv and Sumy regions in the colony. The man was held in a barrack for 40 people. It is forbidden to communicate with neighboring barracks. There were 25 and 10 people in the neighboring two Barracks, respectively. Each section has a duty officer who keeps order. If the guards don't like something, they punish the duty officer or the whole room — they beat the prisoners or make them squat. Vladimir recalls that once they had to squat 250 times.The Ukrainian military is being forced to work. “The head of the colony came and said: “If you work, you will receive bonuses, if not, you will be punished, " recalls Vladimir. "So we put shoelaces on our personal files. Over time, we found out that these bonuses were humanitarian aid, which did not reach us.” Among the humanitarian aid that the prisoners were supposed to receive were food and clothing, but Ukrainian prisoners are forced to wear a robe, which is not changed for several months. They are bullied using electric tasers and rubber batons. Vladimir says that on his body there are traces of burns that the stun gun leaves. Prisoners are rarely taken out for walks. When this happens, the guards set the dogs on them. According to Vladimir, he was bitten several times, and someone's dog tore his robe. He says that Russian prisoners are also being held on the territory of the colony. A few days before Vladimir was transferred to another place of detention, he heard that about 50 Russian prisoners had agreed to join the Wagner group. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEEx02AWIAAWMQt?format=jpg&name=medium
9/ .Sizo No. 2 in the Volgograd region.Address: 38 Rabochaya STR., Kamyshin, Volgograd region, Russia, 403882 Head of the institution: Evgeny Anatolyevich Kumarov Contacts: +7(84457) 4-17-05, +7(84457) 4-15-76, e-mail: [email protected] In the spring of 2022, public social networks in the Volgograd region reported that local pre-trial detention centers were overcrowded due to the transfer of two other pre-trial detention centers for the detention of Ukrainian prisoners. One of them, pre-trial detention center No. 2 in Kamyshin, designed to hold more than 200 people, was completely released from Russian prisoners. Ukrainian soldier Oleg got to Kamyshin after a multi-day stay in Yelenovka. He says that after April 19, 2022, all those who were captured at the Mariupol Ilyich iron and steel works were taken out of Yelenovka to Russia. Most of them were taken to pre-trial detention center No. 2 in Taganrog, while the rest were taken to other institutions. Oleg spent five months in pre-trial detention center No. 2 Kamyshina.He recalls that the move was difficult, prisoners were taken in crowded Kamaz trucks with their hands tied and bags on their heads, sometimes the guards beat someone, even the wounded got hurt. After receiving the prisoners, they were changed into prisoners ' uniforms and resettled in cells designed for 2-8 people. There were more prisoners, so sleeping places were added to the cells. It is forbidden to talk to each other, video surveillance is installed in the cells, and any violation of the rules is punishable by beating. After some time, upon arrival, Oleg was transferred to a special unit for a month and a half, where, as he notes, it was very cold. Subsequently, prisoners from the Taganrog pre-trial detention center were transported to Kamyshin. The number of prisoners doubled, so the pre-trial detention center was http://overcrowded.In respect of food, compared to other facilities where Oleg was subsequently detained, the situation in Sizo No.2 Kamyshin was significantly better, except that the time for eating was very limited. Prisoners are given only a few minutes to eat, wash and hand over dishes, and those who do not have time are beaten. Oleg says that the first three places of stay in Kamyshin were the most difficult. All the prisoners were severely bullied, beaten all the time, and their bodies were covered with bruises. During the defense of Mariupol, Oleg was shot in the stomach, but in captivity he was also tortured: “I, frankly, still got off easily, because I was seriously wounded and I was not so badly beaten. However, the back was blue, and all the ribs were covered in bruises.” Over time, the administration of the pre-trial detention center forbade the guards to beat the Ukrainian military with improvised means, so stun guns were used, which leave fewer traces.
10/ .The main rule for pre — trial detention center prisoners is not to ask any questions. Anyone who violates it is beaten and forced to squat. Oleg describes interrogations as follows: "they start strangling you, hitting you with stun guns, using tapics, and special forces also beat you. You start to choke, they bring you to your senses. And so it is repeated several times in a circle. Then they give you a cigarette and say, “if you lie, it will all happen again.”During the provision of medical care, prisoners of war in pre-trial detention center-2 in Kamyshin are often beaten. Oleg recalls a case when one of the prisoners was bandaged with a wounded leg. He says that at the same time, the security guard beat this man in the back with a stun gun. The Ukrainian soldier admits that for fear of torture, most of the prisoners refuse to seek medical help: “they were not allowed to leave bruises, so they started hitting where the wound was already there, so that it would be invisible. Here is such a conspiracy." https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEEyxVGW4AIbyiG?format=jpg&name=medium
11/ .Sizo No. 1 in the Voronezh region.Address: 56 Zhelyabova STR., Voronezh, Russia, 394030 The institution is headed by: Mikhail Vladimirovich Makovkin Contacts: 8(473) 210-77-21, e-mail: [email protected] Voronezh pre-trial detention center No. 1 is located near the city center. It is a three-story brick house with thick walls and old bars on the windows. The conditions in the isolation ward are harsh. In the pre-trial detention center there is a punishment cell, a site for holding juvenile delinquents. There are also about 20 walking courtyards with bars above the head and an area of 30 square meters. m. the pre-trial detention center consists of two buildings designed for 1000 people. According to Russian media, the prosecutor's office has focused special attention on pre-trial detention center No. 1 due to violations of sanitary standards, fire safety and non-fulfillment of their duties by security guards. Because of this, the isolation ward often conducts inspections.Former prisoner of war Sergei was brought here at the end of April 2022, the man says that for a long time he did not know where he was brought, the Russians tried to hide the place of detention. Speaking about the rules in the Voronezh pre-trial detention center No. 1, the military man notes that they are allowed to move there only in a bent state, the head should be lowered as much as possible, almost at the level of the knees. They beat Ukrainian prisoners of war all the time. Every morning after getting up and breakfast, the cameras are checked. The prisoners are taken out into the corridor, placed facing the wall, forcing them to spread their legs as wide as possible, and raise their hands up. While some guards search the cell for prohibited items, others mock the prisoners, regardless of their age or state of Health. :"Every time you're taken out of the cell, you get beaten up.” Men are often beaten with wooden batons. The Russians broke Sergey's nose, knocked out his knee joint and injured his back, so after his release from captivity, it is difficult for him to stand and even sit. He says that the guards of the Voronezh pre-trial detention center No. 1 like to use stun guns, completely discharging them on prisoners. Sometimes, he says, the smell of burnt flesh was heard, but the guards continued to torture the Ukrainian military.There were six people in Sergei's cell. The conditions are unbearable. Russian music from the Second World War plays loudly all the time. Communication is limited, prisoners know only those with whom they are sitting in the cell. In the morning, the Russian national anthem is played, and Ukrainians are required to sing it. If someone forgets words or stumbles, they are beaten. Walking turns into torture, as dogs are set on prisoners. It is risky to seek medical help, as prisoners are severely beaten for this. A local prosecutor sometimes visits the pre-trial detention center with checks. He asks, " Are you all right?"Most people say,' yes.' If someone complains, they are severely punished. Prisoners are brought books, mostly about the Second World War. Sergey says that when they read them, they understood that the methods of Russian soldiers have not changed at all since then. He admits that during the four months that he was in Voronezh pre-trial detention center No. 1, he dissuaded five people from committing suicide. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEEzcrxWAAAyZF4?format=jpg&name=medium
12/ .Pre-trial detention center No. 1 in the Kursk region.Address: 1 Pirogova STR., Kursk, Russia, 305016 The institution is headed by: Alexander Nikolaevich Baglay Contacts: +7(4712) 55-62-10, (4712) 55-62-00, e-mail: [email protected], [email protected] Since the beginning of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, pre-trial detention center No. 1 in Kursk has been one of the main places of detention where Ukrainian prisoners of war were brought. This is a complex of buildings consisting of one old building and three new ones, which can accommodate more than 900 people. Former prisoners say that there were between 12 and 22 people in the cell. "Our cell was 2.5 meters wide and 6 meters long. There were 12 of us there, although the camera is designed for six people. The cell was very damp, the conditions were bad,” says Dmitry, who was taken to the Kursk pre — trial detention center in mid-March 2022.Military Anna was held in the same pre-trial detention center for the last month before her release. The woman says that there were 11 of them in the six-person cell. they treat the prisoners terribly, make them sing the Russian national anthem at the top of their voices. "Female employees of the pre-trial detention center are very angry. They can grab their hair and hit their heads against the wall,” adds Anna. As in other Russian pre-trial detention centers, Kursky has a procedure for “admission-registration”, as it is called by former prisoners. Each newcomer must go through a beating before being taken to a cell. The execution of Prisoner of war Yaroslav began as soon as the man was brought to the pre-trial detention center. First, he was beaten by a security guard who saw a specific tattoo on Yaroslav's body, which indicated that he was a former paratrooper. Then he was tortured during interrogation, as a result of which the man lost consciousness. And when it was not possible to revive the prisoner of war, another guard hit Yaroslav in the operated arm with all his strength — he broke it.Another prisoner, Oleg, was sent to Kursk in the spring of 2022. During the reception, he and the rest of the arrivals were beaten with batons, and some were tasered. He says that when Russian troops were defeated at the front, the guards went wild, taking out their anger on the prisoners. The day of Ukrainian prisoners in the Kursk pre-trial detention center begins at 6 am. They wake up to the Russian national anthem, which everyone is required to sing. Prisoners are also given printed lyrics of songs and poems that glorify Russia. You need to learn them by heart within an hour. The radio plays all day, turning into another kind of torture. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEE4oPQXgAEvcnJ?format=jpg&name=medium
13/ .Then-breakfast. Food is served by local prisoners who were left in the pre-trial detention center as servants. In each cell, a duty officer is appointed, WHO reports on the situation in the cell when security enters there. Then the interrogations begin. Then-lunch and dinner. Every evening, the cells are checked for prohibited items, and once a week they conduct a thorough check, which is called “shmon”in prison jargon. "Five guards enter the cell, we are kicked out into the corridor. When "shmon", then you need to take mattresses and pillows with you to the corridor. At the same time, someone can be beaten,” says one of the former prisoners. In women, this procedure occurs in the same way.During the day, prisoners are forbidden to sit on their beds. This can only be done on a bench or floor. Sometimes they bring books with pro-Russian themes: one reads, the rest should listen. Prisoners are rarely taken out for walks. But few people want to go for a walk, because during the walk the guards beat and mock them. There are also problems with hygiene in the Kursk pre-trial detention center. Anna says that during the month of their stay in the isolation ward, they were taken to the shower only three times. For everything about everything — 5 minutes, no personal hygiene products were given. Almost no one sees toilet paper or soap. At the same time, the prisoners do not dare to ask for something, because for any request or question they are beaten.Prisoners of the Kursk pre — trial detention center No. 1 say that the toughest test in this Detention Center is the lack of food. "They ate all our food themselves. We could hear the guards sitting next to our cell and chomping. It could have turned out that I have 2-3 tablespoons of porridge in my plate, and the rest is water,” says the former prisoner. Medical care is not provided even to wounded prisoners immediately. “When I was brought to the pre-trial detention center, it was only on the fifth day that the first dressing was done. And then once every three days they did it — they removed the bandage, did not wash anything, the wound began to fester, they just smeared some ointment and wrapped the bandage again,” says Ukrainian soldier Maxim. He was admitted to the Kursk pre-trial detention center at the end of April 2022. Over time, those who had serious health problems could be sent to a local http://hospital.In general, former prisoners describe their stay in Kursk pre-trial detention center No. 1 as “tolerable”. There are fewer tortures and severe beatings here than in other places of detention. Because of this, many of the prisoners believe that when a person is transferred to Kursk, they are probably prepared for an exchange. However, the regularity of this assumption is doubtful, there are cases when after getting into the Kursk pre — trial detention center No. 1, a person was exchanged in a day, in a month, and some were sent further-to other places of detention. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEE5QV7WoAAtyOj?format=jpg&name=medium
14/ .Pre-trial detention center No. 2 in Moscow, Lefortovo.Address: 5 Lefortovsky Val St., Moscow, Russia, 111020 Head of the institution: Dmitry Vladimirovich Yelkin Contacts: +7(499) 791-21-32 Ukrainian journalist Roman Sushchenko, who was illegally arrested in Moscow in 2016 and served two years in the Lefortovo Detention Center, says it is Russia's strictest prison, known as an “elite” prison that holds people who pose a threat to Putin's regime, and previously to Stalin's. "In Soviet times, dissidents were kept there until the conviction was passed. Lefortovo has powerful security, barbed wire, surveillance cameras and anti-drone protection. The way there runs through a network of corridors and thorough checks,” says Roman Sushchenko.The Lefortovo building is a snowflake or star cut in half with four Rays. Each beam is a separate housing. The building is four-storeyed, there are basements. What is in them is unknown, one of Sushchenko's cellmates testified that his brother was tortured there. In total, Lefortovo has 206 cameras. Each "beam" of the building has 13 cameras on one side and four on the other. Under them are balconies, and a chain — link net is stretched between the balconies to prevent suicides. A convoy that takes prisoners out for investigative activities or walks usually consists of two people who closely monitor all the movements of prisoners. "The size of the camera in Lefortovo is 2.5 by 4 meters," says Sushchenko. - The cell has three or two beds, a table, a metal cabinet for storing personal belongings. All furniture is concreted. In a small corner — toilet and washbasin. Each cell has a barred window-meter by meter.”At 6 AM — wake up, exercise, breakfast, before lunch — investigative actions, in the afternoon it is possible to walk or again investigative actions. At 22-lights out. The lights in the room are turned on around the clock. In addition to a video surveillance camera, the cells have an eyepiece through which the guards spy on the prisoner's behavior. There are alarm buttons on each floor. Movements inside the building occur in such a way that no prisoner intersects with others. The elevator moves only to the Walking courtyard. “On the first floor there is a playground surrounded by walls of 2.5 meters, " says Roman Sushchenko. "There are ten courtyards of different sizes for one or two people. On the 4th floor, almost on the roof, there is a similar room. There are more than 20 courtyards. To the left and right are doors with eyepieces, above the head — bars, through which only the sky is visible.” https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEE6-LBXsAIxA98?format=jpg&name=medium
15/ .Roman testifies that in the Lefortovo pre-trial detention center they are fed three times a day. In the morning — semolina or rice porridge with artificial milk. For lunch-first, second, compote or jelly. In the evening — porridge with fish, most likely from thawed boiled hake. They don't give you meat or vegetables. Some cells have a refrigerator, which is issued on condition that the prisoner writes a statement about such a need addressed to the head of Lefortovo. Each cell has an internal schedule with the rights and obligations of the prisoner. They also allow you to open an account where you can transfer money that the prisoner can spend on personal care products, envelopes, pens and groceries. But it is not known whether this service is available for Ukrainian prisoners of war."During my detention in Lefortovo, from five to ten percent of all prisoners were women," the journalist says. - The distribution of prisoners in cells is chaotic and has no obvious logic. At any moment, the guards could order you to pack up and move you to another cell. There is a medical unit in Lefortovo where you can get medicines. On the second or third day, upon arrival in the pre-trial detention center, fingerprints, blood are taken from a person, DNA, tattoos are recorded, and all scars are examined. All this is recorded, this dossier is left forever in Lefortovo. A paramedic comes to the prisoners every day, checks if there are complaints of pressure or something else. In Lefortovo, there are dentists, surgeons and internists who conduct treatment under supervision.”Roman Sushchenko testifies that during his detention in Lefortovo, representatives of the pre-trial detention center and a psychologist often came to the prisoners, who tried to understand their mood, suicidal tendencies, and so on. Investigative actions with prisoners are usually carried out in the FSB department near the pre-trial detention center building or on the first floor of Lefortovo, where there are about ten separate rooms for this purpose. "Russian law necessarily provides for a lawyer to drop charges of extrajudicial killings and human rights violations," the journalist says. - Russians provide a lawyer “on purpose " who has a license, works off public funds and receives instructions. He has other money matters, and this job is a duty. Such a lawyer can be compared to Medvedchuk in the STUs case. There are also lawyers who are hired by families, they pay them, so they work it out. But, given the current situation with the war, they will be afraid, will be under constant surveillance and coercion. If lawyers actively contact the relatives of the hostages, they may be charged with treason or cooperation with the enemy.” https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEE8SsyWMAAipTY?format=jpg&name=medium
16/ .Sizo No. 2 in the Rostov region.Address: 175 Lenin St., Taganrog, Rostov region, Russia, 347910 The institution is headed by: Alexander Alexandrovich Shtoda Contacts: +7(8634) 62-43-18, +7(8634) 62-45-51, +7(8634) 62-43-18, e-mail: [email protected] Taganrog is one of the closest Russian cities to Mariupol. It was there, starting in April 2022, that the Russians began to transfer Ukrainian prisoners. According to the MIPL, a large group of the 36th separate marine brigade named after contradmiral Bilinsky was brought to pre-trial detention center No. 2 in Taganrog. The military of the 56th separate Motorized Infantry Brigade and 109th separate territorial defense brigade in the Donetsk region were also held there, that is, most of those who were captured in the Mariupol direction.Since there were a lot of Ukrainian prisoners, and there were not enough places in Russian Correctional colonies, prisoners of war captured in other directions were also taken to Taganrog. Former prisoners, whose names we do not mention for security reasons, who spent several months in Taganrog pre-trial detention center No. 2, call it a prison. These are several stone and brick buildings with three or four floors. On the first — administration offices, on the rest — cameras. Some of them are designed for one prisoner (punishment cells), the rest — for eight."One bus was launched into the territory. Security comes in and says,”Put your hands behind your head, put your head down." We had to bend very low. And then the hell started. We were thrown out of these buses. We moved around keeping our heads at knee level, and they pushed us,” says the former prisoner of war. Men were received more harshly. "There were rows of special forces on both sides. They were people who looked like Chechens. They all tried to hit — they hit all parts of the body with their hands, feet, batons — everything that was there. We walked past them to a room that they called either a “monkey house” or a “reception room.” We were shoved there by about 15 people, someone during this time has already made it for themselves from these blows. There we spent the whole night standing without water or food,” says the former prisoner.The next stage is the delivery of clothing and settlement. Witnesses say that the prisoners are removed from the clothes in which they arrived, and given a local, convict. Underwear, T — shirt, pants, socks, and boots are all synthetic. As for hygiene, someone is given a piece of laundry soap and a towel, some women can be given sanitary pads, a toothbrush and paste. After a minute of icy shower (for men, this process is accompanied by beating), the prisoners are distributed to their cells. Those who do not have enough space are put in single rooms — for penalty takers. “This is a room of one and a half by two meters. The window that was there can hardly be called a window, because you can't see the sun. There is also no one to communicate with, nowhere to go. I spent five days alone. There were checks every morning and evening. You should jump out of the cell, hands up, palms out, feet shoulder-width apart, or wider, facing the wall. Each security guard comes up and starts checking the strength of your ribs, then they bring you back,” says the dismissed serviceman. It is forbidden to sit on beds. A separate floor was allocated for women."The checks were carried out in the morning and evening. Representatives of the pre-trial detention center or special forces came to train on us. At first, I thought that if you fell, they wouldn't beat you anymore. But no — they picked it up and continued to beat it,” the serviceman says. For any non-compliance with the rules, prisoners are punished by forcing them to squat 100 times and push-ups 50 times. “I held on for about three and a half months, I did everything, but when the last time I was beaten, I realized that everything, I couldn't do it anymore. I was afraid I wouldn't survive. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEE9oEvW8AASnTy?format=jpg&name=medium
17/ .My ribs hurt, I can't raise my arms, but I need to. You do it through tears, because if you don't do it, they will beat you again,” he continues.Interrogation is another mandatory procedure in Russian captivity, where the military was forced to take the blame for a crime they did not commit. “A man was sitting in my cell with me, " says a soldier released from captivity. - He was taken daily for interrogations, they were Abkhazians, he was beaten. They said they would beat him until he signed. They drowned him in water, threw a rag on his face and filled him with water. This was done every day, and as a result, he signed a confession. Then the investigator told him that he had invented it, but it was necessary.” The guards use three main means of torture — a rubber baton, a wooden hammer and tasers. "As soon as they brought us to Taganrog, they immediately started beating us. The guard took the Taser and unloaded it around us until it sat down. Then I took another one, " says the former prisoner.The Ukrainian military released from captivity says that over time you start to get used to difficult conditions, but the unknown kills. "When you are taken out into the corridor, you don't know what will happen next, you don't know if they will beat you up badly. We heard screams all the time — someone was always beaten somewhere. It happened that constant screams were heard for 15-20 minutes, then the person could not stand, he was thrown into the cell almost unconscious,” says the former prisoner of war. If one of the prisoners asks for medical help, they are beaten. In September 2022, the management of Taganrog pre-trial detention center No. 2, according to prisoners, changed. The cause is two deaths of military prisoners. After that, some people note that conditions have improved: “the paramedic has already started running to check bruises and everything else. We were asked if there were any complaints, but everyone was afraid to say anything.” However, the torture of prisoners did not stop, there was only one difference — a medic is present during the execution: when the prisoner becomes ill, he gives him a pill.Former prisoners testify that people were often taken away from their cells and not returned. Those who stayed hoped that they would be taken for an exchange, but in fact they were moved to other institutions. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEE-FAmWEAAYWd6?format=jpg&name=medium
18/ .Pre-trial detention center No. 2 in the Ryazan Region.Address: 1A Krasnaya STR., Ryazhsk, Ryazan Region, Russia, 391910 Head of the institution: Alexey Gennadyevich Ogurtsov Contacts: +7 (4912) 97-12-55, e-mail: [email protected] MIPL learned most of what is happening in pre-trial detention center No. 2 from the testimony of Serhiy, a former prisoner of war who spent more than half a year in this pre-trial detention center among hundreds of other Ukrainian army soldiers. He says that during the reception, special forces beat prisoners, in particular on the head.He was taken to a cell on the fourth floor. Another former prisoner interviewed by MIPL, Anatoly, describes his cell as “fairly clean, renovated, two-story beds, toilet and video surveillance.” Some of the cells were designed for four people, while Sergei's cell had six. "They beat everyone and always. You leave the cell and get beaten up. The first two weeks of my stay in Ryazhsk were brutal interrogations. Military special forces beat out statements, " says Sergey. - The first interrogation took place in April 2022. The first question is: "whose Crimea is it?"I didn't know what to say, I said it was Crimean Tatars. That was the wrong answer. And now I'm lying on the floor, being beaten. They raise it again and ask: “Who Is Putin?"I Answer:" The President." Wrong, put it down again. "The president of your future state,” they explain to me. Then they ask Who Zelensky is. I say, " my president." They shout: "wrong, PID* * * s”. Then I learned what stun guns are.According to the military, this interrogation was conducted by a representative of the FSB. It was worse when the special forces took up the task: “they throw you into the room, your eyes should always look at the floor. There are six healthy types in front of you, all professionals, they know what to ask, how to ask, Where to hit. They were beaten professionally: kidneys, inner thigh, stun gun — in the neck, spine, groin, ears.” Sergei was interrogated 11 times, nine of which were beaten. Once a man was beaten so badly that for two months he could not do anything with his right hand. Sergey believes that he was lucky to a certain extent, because together with him in the cell there were people with whom it was possible to communicate, this helped not to lose his mind."It's just unbearable to sit in silence for 16 hours. I was lucky to have smart people in my cell with me. We talked about books, games, movies, history, politics. Physical education is prohibited in the cell. They thought this was how we prepared to escape. But at least the medicine was normal. If you complained about something, the doctor came and gave you medicines and vitamins.” Prisoners are asked to write template letters home with the text: “Russia and Ukraine are fraternal peoples.” No one wrote These words in Sergey's cell. They wrote that they were alive and well. However, not a single letter was sent to their relatives. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEFAv3nX0AATWQz?format=jpg&name=medium
19/ .Correctional colony No. 1 in the Tula region.Address: 1 Dimitrova proezd, Komsomolsky microdistrict, Donskoy metro station, Tula region, Russia, 301781 Head of the institution: Ivan Vasilyevich Davidenko Contacts: 8(48746) 4-11-00, 8(48746) 4-11-01, 8(48746) 4-12-06, e-mail: [email protected] High-security penal colony No. 1 in the Tula region is located in the city of Donskoy, 240 km from Moscow and 640 km from Kharkiv. According to Russian websites, it is designed for 1,500 people. But the former prisoner Vitaly says that during his stay in the colony, there were about 250 people in the two — story building, 50 of whom were civilians. The territory of the colony is large, in the center — the main building in the shape of the letter P. until October 2022, the head of the colony was Alexander Plaksin. Now he is arrested and sent to a pre-trial detention center on suspicion of receiving 100 thousand rubles of a bribe. Maxim Dragunov was appointed interim acting chief. According to some reports, since 2023, Ivan Davydenko has become the interim acting http://head.In the Tula correctional colony, Ukrainians mostly come not from the occupied territories of Ukraine or Belarus, but from some other Russian prison where they were held from the beginning of captivity. For example, the Russians brought former prisoner of war Vasily from pre-trial detention center No. 2 in the Belgorod region, in Stary Oskol. And Vitaly - from the Kursk pre-trial detention center No. 1. at the end of May 2023, a large group of prisoners of war detained in February-March 2022 in the Kiev region was transferred to this colony. "Before being transferred to Tula, I was in a pre-trial detention center in Oskol. I thought this place was the worst thing that could happen. But when I was transferred to Donskoy, I realized that it was even worse. We sometimes thought that we would not survive,” says Vasily, who changed three prisons during a year of captivity in the Russian Federation.“I was captured in the Kiev region in March 2022. We were then taken to Kursk, where we were held until the beginning of May. One day they came to the cell, gave their names, and said: “go out.” First, they were taken to the airfield in paddy wagons. There was an IL-76. they took off, landed, I think, in Belgorod, there were still prisoners there. Then we boarded at the Tula airfield, and from there we were transported in paddy wagons to Donskoy. There were so many people that at first we didn't even get into the cell — we spent the night in the courtyards on the street,” says former prisoner Vitaly.Admission to the Tula penal colony is accompanied by beatings. "The reception is tough, they were killed," Vasily recalls. - They beat me with sticks, batons, stun guns. They beat everyone, didn't let anyone through. They take you to change your clothes and also beat you up. People could not walk later, they were very beaten on their legs. The wounds were such that they rotted." But Vitaly recalls that the military, especially Marines, were beaten very harshly during the reception. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEFCV2HWkAAK1lE?format=jpg&name=medium
20/ .Upon arrival, the prisoners are examined by a doctor, they are given a fluorography, fingerprints are taken, photographed, changed, and a short interrogation is arranged: first name, last name, where they were born, when they got married, and place of permanent residence. The territory of the colony in Donskoy is the main two — story building with cameras-courtyards for walking. There are cameras along the corridor. In the cells — bunks, a table, two benches, a toilet, a washbasin, a cabinet for hygiene products. Witnesses say that prisoners in Donskoy are usually divided so that civilians and prisoners of war are kept in different cells. However, not always, sometimes they are mixed. The cameras are designed for 10-24 people, and it is clear that the capacity has been increased since the beginning of the Great War. ” In Oskol, 6 or 8 people are held in cells, a maximum of 10. and in Tula, the cells are huge, for 24 people, for 18, 16, " says Vasily.The prisoners are picked up at 6 a.m. After breakfast, you can go for a walk. There is also lunch and dinner. All the time they are not busy eating, they are required to stand in the cell with their heads down until lights out. Every day, the cells are searched, during which the prisoners are driven out into the corridor and beaten. They take you to the shower once a week. "There is a good shower, you could stay for 20 minutes. In addition, we were rarely beaten at the entrance to it, whereas in Kursk we were always beaten, and we were given time to wash in a matter of seconds,” says Vitaly. Prisoners are cut once every two weeks. Before or after that, they are almost always beaten. The peculiarity of the colony in Donskoy compared to the Kursk or Bryansk pre — trial detention centers is the inability to get enough sleep, since prisoners are woken up at night and forced to stand for two hours. There may be several such rises per night.The food in the Tula colony is poor. "Because of small portions (even tea was poured no more than 100 grams) and the low caloric content of the diet, everyone, without exception, quickly loses weight. Many of us have returned from there with dystrophy,” explains Vasily. And Vitaly shows a photo taken after the exchange in Ukraine. During 11 months of captivity, the man lost more than 35 kg. In the Tula Colony, their place of stay is carefully hidden from prisoners, and they are also beaten all the time: with their hands, feet, sticks, and broken ribs. “They didn't hit me on the head — there was probably some order. And they never beat me in the cells — only in the corridor and in other rooms,” says Vitaly, noting that employees of the Federal Penitentiary Service and special forces are engaged in this in Donskoy. Complaining about feeling unwell, especially if it occurred as a result of a beating, is useless. However, people with chronic illnesses are given medication from time to time, and those with serious bleeding or festering wounds can be bandaged. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEFC1ZyWAAAcwkL?format=jpg&name=medium
21/ .Correctional colony No. 12 in the Rostov region.Address: 94 Morskaya St., Kamensk-Shakhtinsky, Rostov region, Russia, 347810 Heads of the institution: Anatoly Sergeevich Kaplunov Contacts: +7(86365) 4-60-29, + 7(86365) 4-60-30, e-mail: [email protected], [email protected] Men's correctional colony No. 12 in the city of Kamensk-Shakhtinsky is one of the closest to the border with Ukraine. In March 2022, Russian publications reported that prisoners were being transported from this prison to other institutions under the pretext of preparing for repairs. Subsequently, several anonymous Telegram channels reported that in fact VK No. 12, like some other prisons in the Rostov region, is being released for the needs of the military in order to keep captured Ukrainians there. Local authorities denied this information, but it turned out to be true.All prisoners arriving in Kamensk-Shakhtinsky are subjected to an acceptance procedure, when guards line up in a row and beat each prisoner on the back with a rubber baton. After that, the prisoners of war are taken to a two-story room called “Quarantine”. On the second floor, there is a recreation area where prisoners only slept, while during the day they were required to stay on the first floor. "We woke up in the morning and went down to the first floor. We had to stand there all the time. They forgot about breakfast. Lunch arrived around three. Before lights out, we were lined up again. We stand there, waiting for permission to go up. In front of us were lined up special forces and representatives of the correctional colony — all with batons. And suddenly it started.The first one ran-they started beating us. He falls, is picked up and continues to be beaten. And so we went up to the second floor every time, " says the released prisoner and shows the scar on his head. "One of the guards deliberately pushed me, and I ran into a metal door.” After the” quarantine“, the prisoners are transferred to the” detachment " — a three-story Barrack-type House. The day here starts at 6 am with a check-up. At 6.20 am, everyone is kicked out on the street for exercise. “It was already cold, freezing. If before in Taganrog we were given shoes, then here we were wearing sandals,” the military man says. They were fed in the dining room. "Cooks were selected among our prisoners — they cooked. A little better than the locals. Normal bread was given. But you had to eat everything in two minutes — just sit down, it's time to finish. It's still hot. Therefore, they constantly went with a burned mouth,” the man recalls.Another former prisoner of war, whose name we also do not disclose for security reasons, was taken to Kamensk-Shakhtinsky on September 25, 2022. The man spent three days in “quarantine”, but after that he was transferred not to a barrack, but to a penal isolation ward — a pre-trial detention center, where prisoners are held in cells. "I was in a two-person cell. We had two beds, a table, an armchair and a bench. The cell was 6 m long and 2 m wide. the place where you could stand or move was half a meter by two meters for two people,” he says. Prisoners are forbidden to sit in cells. Violators are taken out into the corridor and beaten. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEFGv3EWEAAjPrx?format=jpg&name=medium
22/22. The day in the pre-trial detention center also begins at 6 am with the Russian national anthem. Lights out at 10 pm. They don't take you outside. "It is better that they are not taken out of the cell. Because every time they take you out, they beat you. We were also taken to the bathhouse. But you only have time to run in, Get Wet, and you have to go back to the cell. At the same time, you are also beaten,” the man says. According to him, there were about a hundred prisoners of war in the pre-trial detention center, most of whom were transported from Crimea. They tried to arrange good conditions: “they could give you toilet paper, and a toothbrush with Paste. At first, they were poorly fed. Then a colonel came and said that they would try to make a prisoner-of-war camp, that they would feed us better and not beat us. But he added:”You understand, I will say that you should not be beaten, but changes are different, people are different, so do not think that you will not be beaten." As a result, nothing changed, as they beat, and continued.”About medical care in correctional colony No. 12, both servicemen say that it is better without it. "In early October, everyone started getting dysentery, they didn't know what to do about it. First they brought us pills, then they started calling us to the infirmary. You go there, a young guy is waiting for you with a baton, you take this pill, get 3-4 blows to the back, then —on the hands. So they tried to teach us a lesson so that we would not drink tap water. That's how we were treated,” the military man says. Opposite the cell of another military man was a small room — the “reception” of a doctor. “We had a civilian, he was in his 50s and had heart surgery, he needed blood-thinning pills. This doctor came and beat him very hard with a baton. We heard the doctor say, " Well, did I dilute your blood? Go, " the guy says. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEFHPLdXQAAt50D?format=jpg&name=medium
Russia is not a civilized nation. There can be no treatment of Russia as if they were equal to other countries. Russia must be excluded from every international body. There should be no limit to any sanctions and punishments. Russia should have no rights as a nation unless they can live up to the standards of at least the latter 20th century. That they act this way while claiming to be on the side of all that is good and holy is another disgrace. They are hell's own representatives on earth. They are a plague and a cancer to all humanity. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 8:33:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Theoretically, you could buy an airframe and powerplant from Alibaba, stuff it with an autopilot, comm links, and whatever payload you want it to carry, and then you could legitimately claim it was domestically produced. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Jaehaerys: For the first time, Ukrainian drones reached St. Petersburg, roughly 850 km from the border. There's some confusion regarding the number of drones, but one of them supposedly crashed on the territory of an oil terminal and caused a small fire. Ukrainian official claimed it flew 1250 km, but didn't identify the model of the drone. I think the longest range model so far is the Beaver, capable of traveling out to about 1000km. In other, somewhat related news, it turns out that those shahed looking drones listed on Alibaba aren't meant for surveying. What's particularly interesting is this: "This item is customized for one big client in UKR [Ukraine]." I don't think this drone was used for the St. Petersburg strike, given that the Ukrainian official says it was a domestically produced system. Still, an interesting development. Theoretically, you could buy an airframe and powerplant from Alibaba, stuff it with an autopilot, comm links, and whatever payload you want it to carry, and then you could legitimately claim it was domestically produced. Some telegram accounts are saying that the drones' payloads weren't consistent with a Shahed clone, and more akin to domestically produced Ukrainian systems, such as the Beaver and a few others whose names I don't remember off the top of my head. I like where your head is at, though.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 8:40:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: T-64's suspension is essentially the best for sticky mud. It beats out the T-72; the T-72 is notorious for getting stuck where the T-64 keeps powering on. There's a reason Ukraine kept the T-64 in service...(besides manufacturing it). EDIT: It's not just ground pressure; but the configuration of the T-64 rollers, suspension, etc all contribute to keep mud from getting jammed into the suspension. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:
No clue why he said it's no problem for the T-64. T-64's suspension is essentially the best for sticky mud. It beats out the T-72; the T-72 is notorious for getting stuck where the T-64 keeps powering on. There's a reason Ukraine kept the T-64 in service...(besides manufacturing it). EDIT: It's not just ground pressure; but the configuration of the T-64 rollers, suspension, etc all contribute to keep mud from getting jammed into the suspension. How possible would it be to rework the T-64s with a brand new turret that overcomes the shortcomings of the T-series, namely sitting on the magazine? Keep the gun or move to NATO 120mm, magazine in the bustle fed by a new autoloader. Good thermal sight and a basic active protection system. Objectively what is likely the fate of Ukraine’s T-series tanks after the war? They may have to continue using them as 1)I assume they won’t have the luxury of full and immediate replacement with Leopard2A8s, and 2)Round 2 will probably be sooner than later. If they get full replacement, the Korean tank is probably the best fit. Affordable, modern, closer to the T-series than Leopards and Abrams. Would have some commonality with Poland. Shorter delivery times. I wasn’t able to find a number for ground pressure. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 8:58:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2024 9:38:46 PM EDT
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ISW assessment for January 18th.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-january-18-2024 |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 9:39:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Russia is not a civilized nation. There can be no treatment of Russia as if they were equal to other countries. Russia must be excluded from every international body. There should be no limit to any sanctions and punishments. Russia should have no rights as a nation unless they can live up to the standards of at least the latter 20th century. That they act this way while claiming to be on the side of all that is good and holy is another disgrace. They are hell's own representatives on earth. They are a plague and a cancer to all humanity. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Prime: Very long thread on Ukrainian POWs. Some translation issues. 1/ .In Russian captivity: what is happening to the Ukrainian military outside the walls of Russian prisons.The first prisoner exchange since the beginning of a full-scale war took place on March 1, 2022 in Sumy region. Then five Ukrainian servicemen were returned from captivity. From that time until June 15, 2023, 43 more exchanges are known. In total, about 2.5 thousand Ukrainian army soldiers were returned from captivity. There is no exact number of prisoners who are currently in the Russian Federation, but we are talking about thousands of people. Some of them are being held in the occupied territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions, but most of them were taken to Russia by Russians.42 places of detention in the Russian Federation — pre-trial detention centers and Correctional colonies-were identified. They are located both in the regions bordering Ukraine and in the interior of the country. On the eve of a full-scale invasion or after February 24, 2022, they were released from Russian citizens. Russian prisoners remained in their places of detention as personnel.From February 24, 2022 to June 15, 2023, documentary filmmakers interviewed more than 50 servicemen released from Russian captivity during exchanges. Analyzing the collected evidence, it is clear that Russia uses systematic policies and methods of treating Ukrainian prisoners. They are common to all places of detention. We are talking, in particular, about inadequate conditions of detention of prisoners, physical and moral torture, poor nutrition and poor-quality, and in some places there is no medical care at all. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEEqWlGWkAAEsao?format=jpg&name=mediumhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEEqWvdXUAAfkeM?format=jpg&name=mediumhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEEqXB7WgAA1ePR?format=jpg&name=mediumhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEEqXQMWMAAT-GP?format=jpg&name=medium
2/ .The vast majority of military personnel say that immediately after being captured, Ukrainian soldiers are beaten, interrogated with physical violence, and kept in a basement, pit, or temporary prisoner-of-war camp for several days. After that, the prisoners are taken to places of permanent detention — to pre-trial detention centers or colonies. They are transported in overcrowded trucks, blindfolded, without food or water, and are often subjected to physical violence. Moving from the truck to the cells in the place of detention is called acceptance by prisoners. This process is the same everywhere. The prisoners are taken out of their cars, near which they are waiting for a line of Russian special forces in full combat readiness — with batons and stun guns. Passing by them, prisoners of war are subjected to crushing, powerful and massive blows from the Russian military, who hit them on various parts of the body using batons and stun guns. Most often they hit you on the back and legs.Even prisoners with serious injuries, combat medics and prisoners with amputations go through the brutal admission procedure, regardless of age, gender or health status. After that, fingerprints and DNA samples are taken from all military personnel who were captured in the Russian Federation. They are also photographed. Sometimes they do a blood test. Subsequently, they are given prison uniforms, their personal belongings are taken away and taken to their cells.The conditions of detention depend on the institution where prisoners of war are placed. Pre — trial detention centers are a classic prison with heavy metal doors, barred windows, iron bunks and a toilet inside. The cell accommodates from 2 to 20 people. Additional bunks are often added. Those who do not have enough space in the cell are sent to the punishment cell — a solitary cell located in the basement of the institution, where Russians often hold up to four prisoners. In correctional colonies, the Ukrainian military is placed in barracks, where prisoners live in large rooms designed for 10-50 people. Sometimes there can be about 100 people in such a room, former prisoners compare them to military barracks. There, people have a little more freedom of movement than in the pre-trial detention center, because they are taken to the dining room for a meal, and each barrack has its own courtyard. Colonies also have penal isolation cells-the same cells as in pre-trial detention centers.
3/ .The rules for prisoners of war in all institutions where they are held are the same. Wake up at 6 am. At this time, the prisoners are required to stand up and sing the national anthem of Russia, each prisoner should know it by heart. It is strictly forbidden to sit on beds during the day, and each cell must have a duty officer responsible for order and dishes. Twice, and sometimes even three times a day, the cells are checked for the presence of prohibited items. Personal hygiene products are issued in limited quantities, when they run out, additional ones are not issued. Prisoners are rarely taken to the shower, usually given no more than 5 minutes to wash, and prisoners are often washed in cold water.All the testimonies of former prisoners documented by the MIPL are united by the fact of systematic use of physical and psychological violence against the Ukrainian military. This happens almost around the clock. The intensity of beatings increases during meals, shower visits, and cell checks. There are cases of torture during interrogations. Interrogations are conducted by the military, representatives of places of detention, the Federal Security Service (FSB), and the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation. Usually, prisoners do not know which body they are communicating with — they are dressed in military uniforms, but without chevrons and shoulder straps. At the moment when prisoners of war are allowed to sign a document, the name of the interrogator is closed.The topics of interest to investigators are quite limited: the positions of the “Right Sector” and the “Azov” Regiment, the participation of foreign mercenaries in the war, the creation of biological laboratories. That is, they ask about all the fakes that Russian propaganda spreads. Last of all, they are interested in the possible involvement of prisoners in the commission of war crimes. Often interrogations are accompanied by torture, beating with batons and using a stun gun until it is discharged. The purpose of interrogations is not to obtain objective information, but to force the person to take the blame determined in advance by the person conducting the interrogation. If the prisoner breaks down, the so — called investigation usually begins, and then the trial begins. The MIPL is aware of several dozen cases when criminal cases were initiated and convicted against captured Ukrainian soldiers on the territory of the Russian Federation.
4/ .If a prisoner has injuries or serious chronic illnesses, they usually do not receive medical attention. Almost everyone who has been in captivity and interviewed by MIPL documents claims that usually a request for medical help ends in a beating, so those who need it prefer to remain silent, although they suffer from diseases. Some say that often medical workers refuse to come to the request of the prisoner, and when they come, along with the medicines that are issued, the guards prescribe their own treatment — several blows with a baton. Physical force is also applied to patients by doctors http://themselves.In many cases, military personnel refer to food in places of detention as torture. Very often, only 2-3 minutes are given for a meal, the dishes are extremely hot, so the prisoners always go with their mouths burned. The extremely poor quality of nutrition is evidenced by the fact that most of those released have a critical weight loss — from 10 to 30 kilograms. They claim that they were hungry in captivity all the time. The only thing that helped save at least some energy was bread.Sometimes prisoners are given the opportunity to inform their relatives about the fact, but not the place of detention. Such letters are written under dictation. Before that, the prisoners are given a draft indicating what is allowed and forbidden to write. Among what is allowed is information that a person is alive and well, kept in good conditions, with a normal diet and proper medicine. It is strictly forbidden to complain and name the place of stay. There are also known cases of deaths in captivity. The military personnel we interviewed report that they have seen or heard about the deaths of military personnel.
5/ .Without proper nutrition and due to the constant beating of many prisoners, the heart can not stand it, it happens that the guards do not count on the strength with which they beat the Ukrainian military. In April 2023, during a body Exchange, Russia returned the bodies of two servicemen who were captured in Mariupol last year. The capture of both was officially confirmed by the International Committee of the Red Cross, so the family was waiting for their release. In return, they received bodies. Both men were held in places of detention in the Ivanovo region. One is in pre — trial detention center No. 2 in Kineshma, the second is in correctional colony No. 5 in Kohma.The men died in the fall of 2022, the cause of death was not reported to their relatives.Prisoners of war are often moved between different places of detention on the territory of Russia. Former prisoners believe that this is how the Russian Federation is trying to hide a person, confuse his search, and also so that prisoners of war do not get used to the place of detention and cannot subsequently identify the personnel involved in bullying them. Because of this, the list and geography of places of detention of prisoners from Ukraine in the Russian Federation are constantly expanding. As a result, it is extremely difficult to identify them, and some prisoners released from captivity have a minimum of data, without even knowing what area they were in. This information is carefully hidden from them. For example, one of the former prisoners, after staying in Stary Oskol, Belgorod region, and Donskoy, Tula region, was transferred to a place that the man tells only about: “we went by train for two days. It was very cold, the conditions were harsh. None of the prisoners there has the slightest idea where the pre-trial detention center is located. Even on a tube of toothpaste, someone erased information about its place of production.”Based on detailed surveys of military personnel released from captivity, we collected information about most of the known places of detention on the territory of the Russian Federation and mapped them. In this analysis, we will talk about ten of them. These are places where the largest number of prisoners of war are held and where a large number of war crimes are committed. After analyzing open sources, we identified the addresses of places of detention and identified their managers.
6/ .Sizo No. 2 in the Bryansk region.Address: 9 Krasnaya Ploshchad, Novozybkov, Bryansk region, Russia, 243000 Head of the institution: Dmitry Ivanovich Nesterov Contacts: +7 (48343) 3-09-52, e-mail: [email protected] The prison is located in the Russian city of Novozybkov, 170 km from Chernihiv. As of April 2023, at least 550 Ukrainian prisoners of war and civilian hostages were held here. The Russian Federation denies that Ukrainian citizens are in jail.According to eyewitnesses, on the eve of a full-scale invasion, Russia released the premises of the detention center from its prisoners specifically for Ukrainian citizens. Those who were put in jail at the beginning of the Great War say that the guards said about the short — term detention of Ukrainians-a month or a month and a half, that the war would end very quickly, that the prisoners would return home. Released through an exchange in May 2022, Alexander (name changed at the request of a witness) describes the process of getting into a pre-trial detention center. He says they were dragged out of the car and kicked towards the prison entrance: “we fell. As soon as you get up, they kick you again. You need to lower your head, yell at you, dogs bark.whoever the dog gets — it will tear off a piece of that.”"During acceptance, all my ribs were broken, one still sticks out. We were all beaten very hard, our legs were blue. Everything was healing for a month, I couldn't go to bed and get out of bed,” recalls another prisoner of the pre — trial detention center Vladislav, a former prisoner of war. The prison has two rooms. One is three — story, the second is five-story. Prisoners are constantly transferred from one cell to another, from one floor to another, from one building to another. Thus, one person can change 4-6 cells during ten months of captivity. The size of the cameras is small, available for 2, 3 or 4 people. There are also those where 26 people are being held. The prisoners are picked up at 6 a.m. and kicked out of their cells. An employee of the pre-trial detention center goes inside, taps the walls with a hammer. During the day, prisoners are required to stand in a cell and not move. If someone starts walking, Special Forces run in and beat them. You can only sit down for a few minutes during breakfast, lunch and dinner. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEEwBrjW4AAsqcx?format=jpg&name=small
7/ .“When I was in the cell on the third floor, we were kicked in our Berets. They ordered me to bend very low. Tall guys who couldn't physically bend so low Got More,” says former prisoner of war Vladislav. Mass beatings of prisoners take place against the background of news from the front, when Ukrainians fight back against the Russians. "Once they ran in, started beating us, shouting: “Ukrainians, freaks, we are a gesture of goodwill to you, we are moving away from Kiev, and your Bandera fascists are shooting at our backs from balconies, bushes, manholes,” says former prisoner Alexander. Most of all, Russians mock men with patriotic tattoos or former atoshniki. Treatment in Bryansk pre-trial detention center No. 2 is conditional. No one treats injuries caused by the beating.Once a week, prisoners are taken to the shower. Sometimes they are allowed to breathe fresh air for 5-7 minutes. Feed three times a day, the portions are very small. Witnesses say that lunch (and this is watery soup, stew and a piece of bread) fit in half an aluminum mug. “We both fell asleep hungry and woke up hungry. I returned from captivity minus 18 kg. This is in two months, " says former hostage Alexander. Prisoners are constantly taken away for interrogations, which are conducted either by representatives of the special services of the Russian Federation, who are wearing balaclavas and do not name their positions, or by representatives of the military prosecutor's office, who sometimes introduce themselves and hand over the interrogation protocol to the prisoner for signature. Different people can interrogate the same prisoner three or four times a day. Those who are of particular interest to Russians are regularly interrogated.Special attention is paid to Russification in Bryansk pre-trial detention center No. 2. To do this, prisoners are forced to sing the national anthem of Russia every morning, exclaim: “Glory to Russia!"They are also constantly called fascists, Nazis, and forced to stop speaking Ukrainian. Employees of the pre-trial detention center convince the prisoners that Ukraine is no longer there, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine were defeated in the war with Russia. They are also asked to sign a statement stating that they refuse to exchange. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEEwX00W0AE_jq_?format=jpg&name=medium https://twitter.com/MykhailoRohoza/status/1747731319814013256 8/ .Correctional colony No. 7 in the Belgorod region.Address: 1A Timiryazev STR., Valuiki, Belgorod region, Russia, 309990 Head of the institution: Andrey Vyacheslavovich Dmitriev Contacts: +7(47236) 3-16-08, +7(47236) 3-23-00, e-mail: [email protected] Correctional colony No. 7 in Valuiki is one of two high — security institutions in the Belgorod region. The colony is designed to accommodate 1,200 people. It is fenced along the perimeter with a high grid and walls. The territory is divided into residential and industrial zones, there is a penal isolation ward. The entrance to the colony is only through the checkpoint, on the second floor there is a duty station, an office of the head of the colony, a room for online participation of prisoners in court sessions.On the territory of the colony there are buildings, they are called “units”, the premises are similar to military barracks. Each building has a sleeping section, filled mainly with bunk beds, a recreation room, a shower room, a toilet, and an office of the head of the section. The buildings have courtyards. Each section is assigned an employee of the colony, he is an intermediary between the deprived of liberty and the administration of the colony.Ukrainian prisoner of war Volodymyr was taken to VK No. 7 after spending a month in pre-trial detention center No. 2 in Stary Oskol. He says that physical and moral violence is used against prisoners in the colony. Some of the prisoners are kept in barracks, the rest — in a pre-trial detention center. According to him, there are many prisoners from Kharkiv and Sumy regions in the colony. The man was held in a barrack for 40 people. It is forbidden to communicate with neighboring barracks. There were 25 and 10 people in the neighboring two Barracks, respectively. Each section has a duty officer who keeps order. If the guards don't like something, they punish the duty officer or the whole room — they beat the prisoners or make them squat. Vladimir recalls that once they had to squat 250 times.The Ukrainian military is being forced to work. “The head of the colony came and said: “If you work, you will receive bonuses, if not, you will be punished, " recalls Vladimir. "So we put shoelaces on our personal files. Over time, we found out that these bonuses were humanitarian aid, which did not reach us.” Among the humanitarian aid that the prisoners were supposed to receive were food and clothing, but Ukrainian prisoners are forced to wear a robe, which is not changed for several months. They are bullied using electric tasers and rubber batons. Vladimir says that on his body there are traces of burns that the stun gun leaves. Prisoners are rarely taken out for walks. When this happens, the guards set the dogs on them. According to Vladimir, he was bitten several times, and someone's dog tore his robe. He says that Russian prisoners are also being held on the territory of the colony. A few days before Vladimir was transferred to another place of detention, he heard that about 50 Russian prisoners had agreed to join the Wagner group. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEEx02AWIAAWMQt?format=jpg&name=medium
9/ .Sizo No. 2 in the Volgograd region.Address: 38 Rabochaya STR., Kamyshin, Volgograd region, Russia, 403882 Head of the institution: Evgeny Anatolyevich Kumarov Contacts: +7(84457) 4-17-05, +7(84457) 4-15-76, e-mail: [email protected] In the spring of 2022, public social networks in the Volgograd region reported that local pre-trial detention centers were overcrowded due to the transfer of two other pre-trial detention centers for the detention of Ukrainian prisoners. One of them, pre-trial detention center No. 2 in Kamyshin, designed to hold more than 200 people, was completely released from Russian prisoners. Ukrainian soldier Oleg got to Kamyshin after a multi-day stay in Yelenovka. He says that after April 19, 2022, all those who were captured at the Mariupol Ilyich iron and steel works were taken out of Yelenovka to Russia. Most of them were taken to pre-trial detention center No. 2 in Taganrog, while the rest were taken to other institutions. Oleg spent five months in pre-trial detention center No. 2 Kamyshina.He recalls that the move was difficult, prisoners were taken in crowded Kamaz trucks with their hands tied and bags on their heads, sometimes the guards beat someone, even the wounded got hurt. After receiving the prisoners, they were changed into prisoners ' uniforms and resettled in cells designed for 2-8 people. There were more prisoners, so sleeping places were added to the cells. It is forbidden to talk to each other, video surveillance is installed in the cells, and any violation of the rules is punishable by beating. After some time, upon arrival, Oleg was transferred to a special unit for a month and a half, where, as he notes, it was very cold. Subsequently, prisoners from the Taganrog pre-trial detention center were transported to Kamyshin. The number of prisoners doubled, so the pre-trial detention center was http://overcrowded.In respect of food, compared to other facilities where Oleg was subsequently detained, the situation in Sizo No.2 Kamyshin was significantly better, except that the time for eating was very limited. Prisoners are given only a few minutes to eat, wash and hand over dishes, and those who do not have time are beaten. Oleg says that the first three places of stay in Kamyshin were the most difficult. All the prisoners were severely bullied, beaten all the time, and their bodies were covered with bruises. During the defense of Mariupol, Oleg was shot in the stomach, but in captivity he was also tortured: “I, frankly, still got off easily, because I was seriously wounded and I was not so badly beaten. However, the back was blue, and all the ribs were covered in bruises.” Over time, the administration of the pre-trial detention center forbade the guards to beat the Ukrainian military with improvised means, so stun guns were used, which leave fewer traces.
10/ .The main rule for pre — trial detention center prisoners is not to ask any questions. Anyone who violates it is beaten and forced to squat. Oleg describes interrogations as follows: "they start strangling you, hitting you with stun guns, using tapics, and special forces also beat you. You start to choke, they bring you to your senses. And so it is repeated several times in a circle. Then they give you a cigarette and say, “if you lie, it will all happen again.”During the provision of medical care, prisoners of war in pre-trial detention center-2 in Kamyshin are often beaten. Oleg recalls a case when one of the prisoners was bandaged with a wounded leg. He says that at the same time, the security guard beat this man in the back with a stun gun. The Ukrainian soldier admits that for fear of torture, most of the prisoners refuse to seek medical help: “they were not allowed to leave bruises, so they started hitting where the wound was already there, so that it would be invisible. Here is such a conspiracy." https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEEyxVGW4AIbyiG?format=jpg&name=medium
11/ .Sizo No. 1 in the Voronezh region.Address: 56 Zhelyabova STR., Voronezh, Russia, 394030 The institution is headed by: Mikhail Vladimirovich Makovkin Contacts: 8(473) 210-77-21, e-mail: [email protected] Voronezh pre-trial detention center No. 1 is located near the city center. It is a three-story brick house with thick walls and old bars on the windows. The conditions in the isolation ward are harsh. In the pre-trial detention center there is a punishment cell, a site for holding juvenile delinquents. There are also about 20 walking courtyards with bars above the head and an area of 30 square meters. m. the pre-trial detention center consists of two buildings designed for 1000 people. According to Russian media, the prosecutor's office has focused special attention on pre-trial detention center No. 1 due to violations of sanitary standards, fire safety and non-fulfillment of their duties by security guards. Because of this, the isolation ward often conducts inspections.Former prisoner of war Sergei was brought here at the end of April 2022, the man says that for a long time he did not know where he was brought, the Russians tried to hide the place of detention. Speaking about the rules in the Voronezh pre-trial detention center No. 1, the military man notes that they are allowed to move there only in a bent state, the head should be lowered as much as possible, almost at the level of the knees. They beat Ukrainian prisoners of war all the time. Every morning after getting up and breakfast, the cameras are checked. The prisoners are taken out into the corridor, placed facing the wall, forcing them to spread their legs as wide as possible, and raise their hands up. While some guards search the cell for prohibited items, others mock the prisoners, regardless of their age or state of Health. :"Every time you're taken out of the cell, you get beaten up.” Men are often beaten with wooden batons. The Russians broke Sergey's nose, knocked out his knee joint and injured his back, so after his release from captivity, it is difficult for him to stand and even sit. He says that the guards of the Voronezh pre-trial detention center No. 1 like to use stun guns, completely discharging them on prisoners. Sometimes, he says, the smell of burnt flesh was heard, but the guards continued to torture the Ukrainian military.There were six people in Sergei's cell. The conditions are unbearable. Russian music from the Second World War plays loudly all the time. Communication is limited, prisoners know only those with whom they are sitting in the cell. In the morning, the Russian national anthem is played, and Ukrainians are required to sing it. If someone forgets words or stumbles, they are beaten. Walking turns into torture, as dogs are set on prisoners. It is risky to seek medical help, as prisoners are severely beaten for this. A local prosecutor sometimes visits the pre-trial detention center with checks. He asks, " Are you all right?"Most people say,' yes.' If someone complains, they are severely punished. Prisoners are brought books, mostly about the Second World War. Sergey says that when they read them, they understood that the methods of Russian soldiers have not changed at all since then. He admits that during the four months that he was in Voronezh pre-trial detention center No. 1, he dissuaded five people from committing suicide. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEEzcrxWAAAyZF4?format=jpg&name=medium
12/ .Pre-trial detention center No. 1 in the Kursk region.Address: 1 Pirogova STR., Kursk, Russia, 305016 The institution is headed by: Alexander Nikolaevich Baglay Contacts: +7(4712) 55-62-10, (4712) 55-62-00, e-mail: [email protected], [email protected] Since the beginning of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, pre-trial detention center No. 1 in Kursk has been one of the main places of detention where Ukrainian prisoners of war were brought. This is a complex of buildings consisting of one old building and three new ones, which can accommodate more than 900 people. Former prisoners say that there were between 12 and 22 people in the cell. "Our cell was 2.5 meters wide and 6 meters long. There were 12 of us there, although the camera is designed for six people. The cell was very damp, the conditions were bad,” says Dmitry, who was taken to the Kursk pre — trial detention center in mid-March 2022.Military Anna was held in the same pre-trial detention center for the last month before her release. The woman says that there were 11 of them in the six-person cell. they treat the prisoners terribly, make them sing the Russian national anthem at the top of their voices. "Female employees of the pre-trial detention center are very angry. They can grab their hair and hit their heads against the wall,” adds Anna. As in other Russian pre-trial detention centers, Kursky has a procedure for “admission-registration”, as it is called by former prisoners. Each newcomer must go through a beating before being taken to a cell. The execution of Prisoner of war Yaroslav began as soon as the man was brought to the pre-trial detention center. First, he was beaten by a security guard who saw a specific tattoo on Yaroslav's body, which indicated that he was a former paratrooper. Then he was tortured during interrogation, as a result of which the man lost consciousness. And when it was not possible to revive the prisoner of war, another guard hit Yaroslav in the operated arm with all his strength — he broke it.Another prisoner, Oleg, was sent to Kursk in the spring of 2022. During the reception, he and the rest of the arrivals were beaten with batons, and some were tasered. He says that when Russian troops were defeated at the front, the guards went wild, taking out their anger on the prisoners. The day of Ukrainian prisoners in the Kursk pre-trial detention center begins at 6 am. They wake up to the Russian national anthem, which everyone is required to sing. Prisoners are also given printed lyrics of songs and poems that glorify Russia. You need to learn them by heart within an hour. The radio plays all day, turning into another kind of torture. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEE4oPQXgAEvcnJ?format=jpg&name=medium
13/ .Then-breakfast. Food is served by local prisoners who were left in the pre-trial detention center as servants. In each cell, a duty officer is appointed, WHO reports on the situation in the cell when security enters there. Then the interrogations begin. Then-lunch and dinner. Every evening, the cells are checked for prohibited items, and once a week they conduct a thorough check, which is called “shmon”in prison jargon. "Five guards enter the cell, we are kicked out into the corridor. When "shmon", then you need to take mattresses and pillows with you to the corridor. At the same time, someone can be beaten,” says one of the former prisoners. In women, this procedure occurs in the same way.During the day, prisoners are forbidden to sit on their beds. This can only be done on a bench or floor. Sometimes they bring books with pro-Russian themes: one reads, the rest should listen. Prisoners are rarely taken out for walks. But few people want to go for a walk, because during the walk the guards beat and mock them. There are also problems with hygiene in the Kursk pre-trial detention center. Anna says that during the month of their stay in the isolation ward, they were taken to the shower only three times. For everything about everything — 5 minutes, no personal hygiene products were given. Almost no one sees toilet paper or soap. At the same time, the prisoners do not dare to ask for something, because for any request or question they are beaten.Prisoners of the Kursk pre — trial detention center No. 1 say that the toughest test in this Detention Center is the lack of food. "They ate all our food themselves. We could hear the guards sitting next to our cell and chomping. It could have turned out that I have 2-3 tablespoons of porridge in my plate, and the rest is water,” says the former prisoner. Medical care is not provided even to wounded prisoners immediately. “When I was brought to the pre-trial detention center, it was only on the fifth day that the first dressing was done. And then once every three days they did it — they removed the bandage, did not wash anything, the wound began to fester, they just smeared some ointment and wrapped the bandage again,” says Ukrainian soldier Maxim. He was admitted to the Kursk pre-trial detention center at the end of April 2022. Over time, those who had serious health problems could be sent to a local http://hospital.In general, former prisoners describe their stay in Kursk pre-trial detention center No. 1 as “tolerable”. There are fewer tortures and severe beatings here than in other places of detention. Because of this, many of the prisoners believe that when a person is transferred to Kursk, they are probably prepared for an exchange. However, the regularity of this assumption is doubtful, there are cases when after getting into the Kursk pre — trial detention center No. 1, a person was exchanged in a day, in a month, and some were sent further-to other places of detention. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEE5QV7WoAAtyOj?format=jpg&name=medium
14/ .Pre-trial detention center No. 2 in Moscow, Lefortovo.Address: 5 Lefortovsky Val St., Moscow, Russia, 111020 Head of the institution: Dmitry Vladimirovich Yelkin Contacts: +7(499) 791-21-32 Ukrainian journalist Roman Sushchenko, who was illegally arrested in Moscow in 2016 and served two years in the Lefortovo Detention Center, says it is Russia's strictest prison, known as an “elite” prison that holds people who pose a threat to Putin's regime, and previously to Stalin's. "In Soviet times, dissidents were kept there until the conviction was passed. Lefortovo has powerful security, barbed wire, surveillance cameras and anti-drone protection. The way there runs through a network of corridors and thorough checks,” says Roman Sushchenko.The Lefortovo building is a snowflake or star cut in half with four Rays. Each beam is a separate housing. The building is four-storeyed, there are basements. What is in them is unknown, one of Sushchenko's cellmates testified that his brother was tortured there. In total, Lefortovo has 206 cameras. Each "beam" of the building has 13 cameras on one side and four on the other. Under them are balconies, and a chain — link net is stretched between the balconies to prevent suicides. A convoy that takes prisoners out for investigative activities or walks usually consists of two people who closely monitor all the movements of prisoners. "The size of the camera in Lefortovo is 2.5 by 4 meters," says Sushchenko. - The cell has three or two beds, a table, a metal cabinet for storing personal belongings. All furniture is concreted. In a small corner — toilet and washbasin. Each cell has a barred window-meter by meter.”At 6 AM — wake up, exercise, breakfast, before lunch — investigative actions, in the afternoon it is possible to walk or again investigative actions. At 22-lights out. The lights in the room are turned on around the clock. In addition to a video surveillance camera, the cells have an eyepiece through which the guards spy on the prisoner's behavior. There are alarm buttons on each floor. Movements inside the building occur in such a way that no prisoner intersects with others. The elevator moves only to the Walking courtyard. “On the first floor there is a playground surrounded by walls of 2.5 meters, " says Roman Sushchenko. "There are ten courtyards of different sizes for one or two people. On the 4th floor, almost on the roof, there is a similar room. There are more than 20 courtyards. To the left and right are doors with eyepieces, above the head — bars, through which only the sky is visible.” https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEE6-LBXsAIxA98?format=jpg&name=medium
15/ .Roman testifies that in the Lefortovo pre-trial detention center they are fed three times a day. In the morning — semolina or rice porridge with artificial milk. For lunch-first, second, compote or jelly. In the evening — porridge with fish, most likely from thawed boiled hake. They don't give you meat or vegetables. Some cells have a refrigerator, which is issued on condition that the prisoner writes a statement about such a need addressed to the head of Lefortovo. Each cell has an internal schedule with the rights and obligations of the prisoner. They also allow you to open an account where you can transfer money that the prisoner can spend on personal care products, envelopes, pens and groceries. But it is not known whether this service is available for Ukrainian prisoners of war."During my detention in Lefortovo, from five to ten percent of all prisoners were women," the journalist says. - The distribution of prisoners in cells is chaotic and has no obvious logic. At any moment, the guards could order you to pack up and move you to another cell. There is a medical unit in Lefortovo where you can get medicines. On the second or third day, upon arrival in the pre-trial detention center, fingerprints, blood are taken from a person, DNA, tattoos are recorded, and all scars are examined. All this is recorded, this dossier is left forever in Lefortovo. A paramedic comes to the prisoners every day, checks if there are complaints of pressure or something else. In Lefortovo, there are dentists, surgeons and internists who conduct treatment under supervision.”Roman Sushchenko testifies that during his detention in Lefortovo, representatives of the pre-trial detention center and a psychologist often came to the prisoners, who tried to understand their mood, suicidal tendencies, and so on. Investigative actions with prisoners are usually carried out in the FSB department near the pre-trial detention center building or on the first floor of Lefortovo, where there are about ten separate rooms for this purpose. "Russian law necessarily provides for a lawyer to drop charges of extrajudicial killings and human rights violations," the journalist says. - Russians provide a lawyer “on purpose " who has a license, works off public funds and receives instructions. He has other money matters, and this job is a duty. Such a lawyer can be compared to Medvedchuk in the STUs case. There are also lawyers who are hired by families, they pay them, so they work it out. But, given the current situation with the war, they will be afraid, will be under constant surveillance and coercion. If lawyers actively contact the relatives of the hostages, they may be charged with treason or cooperation with the enemy.” https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEE8SsyWMAAipTY?format=jpg&name=medium
16/ .Sizo No. 2 in the Rostov region.Address: 175 Lenin St., Taganrog, Rostov region, Russia, 347910 The institution is headed by: Alexander Alexandrovich Shtoda Contacts: +7(8634) 62-43-18, +7(8634) 62-45-51, +7(8634) 62-43-18, e-mail: [email protected] Taganrog is one of the closest Russian cities to Mariupol. It was there, starting in April 2022, that the Russians began to transfer Ukrainian prisoners. According to the MIPL, a large group of the 36th separate marine brigade named after contradmiral Bilinsky was brought to pre-trial detention center No. 2 in Taganrog. The military of the 56th separate Motorized Infantry Brigade and 109th separate territorial defense brigade in the Donetsk region were also held there, that is, most of those who were captured in the Mariupol direction.Since there were a lot of Ukrainian prisoners, and there were not enough places in Russian Correctional colonies, prisoners of war captured in other directions were also taken to Taganrog. Former prisoners, whose names we do not mention for security reasons, who spent several months in Taganrog pre-trial detention center No. 2, call it a prison. These are several stone and brick buildings with three or four floors. On the first — administration offices, on the rest — cameras. Some of them are designed for one prisoner (punishment cells), the rest — for eight."One bus was launched into the territory. Security comes in and says,”Put your hands behind your head, put your head down." We had to bend very low. And then the hell started. We were thrown out of these buses. We moved around keeping our heads at knee level, and they pushed us,” says the former prisoner of war. Men were received more harshly. "There were rows of special forces on both sides. They were people who looked like Chechens. They all tried to hit — they hit all parts of the body with their hands, feet, batons — everything that was there. We walked past them to a room that they called either a “monkey house” or a “reception room.” We were shoved there by about 15 people, someone during this time has already made it for themselves from these blows. There we spent the whole night standing without water or food,” says the former prisoner.The next stage is the delivery of clothing and settlement. Witnesses say that the prisoners are removed from the clothes in which they arrived, and given a local, convict. Underwear, T — shirt, pants, socks, and boots are all synthetic. As for hygiene, someone is given a piece of laundry soap and a towel, some women can be given sanitary pads, a toothbrush and paste. After a minute of icy shower (for men, this process is accompanied by beating), the prisoners are distributed to their cells. Those who do not have enough space are put in single rooms — for penalty takers. “This is a room of one and a half by two meters. The window that was there can hardly be called a window, because you can't see the sun. There is also no one to communicate with, nowhere to go. I spent five days alone. There were checks every morning and evening. You should jump out of the cell, hands up, palms out, feet shoulder-width apart, or wider, facing the wall. Each security guard comes up and starts checking the strength of your ribs, then they bring you back,” says the dismissed serviceman. It is forbidden to sit on beds. A separate floor was allocated for women."The checks were carried out in the morning and evening. Representatives of the pre-trial detention center or special forces came to train on us. At first, I thought that if you fell, they wouldn't beat you anymore. But no — they picked it up and continued to beat it,” the serviceman says. For any non-compliance with the rules, prisoners are punished by forcing them to squat 100 times and push-ups 50 times. “I held on for about three and a half months, I did everything, but when the last time I was beaten, I realized that everything, I couldn't do it anymore. I was afraid I wouldn't survive. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEE9oEvW8AASnTy?format=jpg&name=medium
17/ .My ribs hurt, I can't raise my arms, but I need to. You do it through tears, because if you don't do it, they will beat you again,” he continues.Interrogation is another mandatory procedure in Russian captivity, where the military was forced to take the blame for a crime they did not commit. “A man was sitting in my cell with me, " says a soldier released from captivity. - He was taken daily for interrogations, they were Abkhazians, he was beaten. They said they would beat him until he signed. They drowned him in water, threw a rag on his face and filled him with water. This was done every day, and as a result, he signed a confession. Then the investigator told him that he had invented it, but it was necessary.” The guards use three main means of torture — a rubber baton, a wooden hammer and tasers. "As soon as they brought us to Taganrog, they immediately started beating us. The guard took the Taser and unloaded it around us until it sat down. Then I took another one, " says the former prisoner.The Ukrainian military released from captivity says that over time you start to get used to difficult conditions, but the unknown kills. "When you are taken out into the corridor, you don't know what will happen next, you don't know if they will beat you up badly. We heard screams all the time — someone was always beaten somewhere. It happened that constant screams were heard for 15-20 minutes, then the person could not stand, he was thrown into the cell almost unconscious,” says the former prisoner of war. If one of the prisoners asks for medical help, they are beaten. In September 2022, the management of Taganrog pre-trial detention center No. 2, according to prisoners, changed. The cause is two deaths of military prisoners. After that, some people note that conditions have improved: “the paramedic has already started running to check bruises and everything else. We were asked if there were any complaints, but everyone was afraid to say anything.” However, the torture of prisoners did not stop, there was only one difference — a medic is present during the execution: when the prisoner becomes ill, he gives him a pill.Former prisoners testify that people were often taken away from their cells and not returned. Those who stayed hoped that they would be taken for an exchange, but in fact they were moved to other institutions. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEE-FAmWEAAYWd6?format=jpg&name=medium
18/ .Pre-trial detention center No. 2 in the Ryazan Region.Address: 1A Krasnaya STR., Ryazhsk, Ryazan Region, Russia, 391910 Head of the institution: Alexey Gennadyevich Ogurtsov Contacts: +7 (4912) 97-12-55, e-mail: [email protected] MIPL learned most of what is happening in pre-trial detention center No. 2 from the testimony of Serhiy, a former prisoner of war who spent more than half a year in this pre-trial detention center among hundreds of other Ukrainian army soldiers. He says that during the reception, special forces beat prisoners, in particular on the head.He was taken to a cell on the fourth floor. Another former prisoner interviewed by MIPL, Anatoly, describes his cell as “fairly clean, renovated, two-story beds, toilet and video surveillance.” Some of the cells were designed for four people, while Sergei's cell had six. "They beat everyone and always. You leave the cell and get beaten up. The first two weeks of my stay in Ryazhsk were brutal interrogations. Military special forces beat out statements, " says Sergey. - The first interrogation took place in April 2022. The first question is: "whose Crimea is it?"I didn't know what to say, I said it was Crimean Tatars. That was the wrong answer. And now I'm lying on the floor, being beaten. They raise it again and ask: “Who Is Putin?"I Answer:" The President." Wrong, put it down again. "The president of your future state,” they explain to me. Then they ask Who Zelensky is. I say, " my president." They shout: "wrong, PID* * * s”. Then I learned what stun guns are.According to the military, this interrogation was conducted by a representative of the FSB. It was worse when the special forces took up the task: “they throw you into the room, your eyes should always look at the floor. There are six healthy types in front of you, all professionals, they know what to ask, how to ask, Where to hit. They were beaten professionally: kidneys, inner thigh, stun gun — in the neck, spine, groin, ears.” Sergei was interrogated 11 times, nine of which were beaten. Once a man was beaten so badly that for two months he could not do anything with his right hand. Sergey believes that he was lucky to a certain extent, because together with him in the cell there were people with whom it was possible to communicate, this helped not to lose his mind."It's just unbearable to sit in silence for 16 hours. I was lucky to have smart people in my cell with me. We talked about books, games, movies, history, politics. Physical education is prohibited in the cell. They thought this was how we prepared to escape. But at least the medicine was normal. If you complained about something, the doctor came and gave you medicines and vitamins.” Prisoners are asked to write template letters home with the text: “Russia and Ukraine are fraternal peoples.” No one wrote These words in Sergey's cell. They wrote that they were alive and well. However, not a single letter was sent to their relatives. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEFAv3nX0AATWQz?format=jpg&name=medium
19/ .Correctional colony No. 1 in the Tula region.Address: 1 Dimitrova proezd, Komsomolsky microdistrict, Donskoy metro station, Tula region, Russia, 301781 Head of the institution: Ivan Vasilyevich Davidenko Contacts: 8(48746) 4-11-00, 8(48746) 4-11-01, 8(48746) 4-12-06, e-mail: [email protected] High-security penal colony No. 1 in the Tula region is located in the city of Donskoy, 240 km from Moscow and 640 km from Kharkiv. According to Russian websites, it is designed for 1,500 people. But the former prisoner Vitaly says that during his stay in the colony, there were about 250 people in the two — story building, 50 of whom were civilians. The territory of the colony is large, in the center — the main building in the shape of the letter P. until October 2022, the head of the colony was Alexander Plaksin. Now he is arrested and sent to a pre-trial detention center on suspicion of receiving 100 thousand rubles of a bribe. Maxim Dragunov was appointed interim acting chief. According to some reports, since 2023, Ivan Davydenko has become the interim acting http://head.In the Tula correctional colony, Ukrainians mostly come not from the occupied territories of Ukraine or Belarus, but from some other Russian prison where they were held from the beginning of captivity. For example, the Russians brought former prisoner of war Vasily from pre-trial detention center No. 2 in the Belgorod region, in Stary Oskol. And Vitaly - from the Kursk pre-trial detention center No. 1. at the end of May 2023, a large group of prisoners of war detained in February-March 2022 in the Kiev region was transferred to this colony. "Before being transferred to Tula, I was in a pre-trial detention center in Oskol. I thought this place was the worst thing that could happen. But when I was transferred to Donskoy, I realized that it was even worse. We sometimes thought that we would not survive,” says Vasily, who changed three prisons during a year of captivity in the Russian Federation.“I was captured in the Kiev region in March 2022. We were then taken to Kursk, where we were held until the beginning of May. One day they came to the cell, gave their names, and said: “go out.” First, they were taken to the airfield in paddy wagons. There was an IL-76. they took off, landed, I think, in Belgorod, there were still prisoners there. Then we boarded at the Tula airfield, and from there we were transported in paddy wagons to Donskoy. There were so many people that at first we didn't even get into the cell — we spent the night in the courtyards on the street,” says former prisoner Vitaly.Admission to the Tula penal colony is accompanied by beatings. "The reception is tough, they were killed," Vasily recalls. - They beat me with sticks, batons, stun guns. They beat everyone, didn't let anyone through. They take you to change your clothes and also beat you up. People could not walk later, they were very beaten on their legs. The wounds were such that they rotted." But Vitaly recalls that the military, especially Marines, were beaten very harshly during the reception. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEFCV2HWkAAK1lE?format=jpg&name=medium
20/ .Upon arrival, the prisoners are examined by a doctor, they are given a fluorography, fingerprints are taken, photographed, changed, and a short interrogation is arranged: first name, last name, where they were born, when they got married, and place of permanent residence. The territory of the colony in Donskoy is the main two — story building with cameras-courtyards for walking. There are cameras along the corridor. In the cells — bunks, a table, two benches, a toilet, a washbasin, a cabinet for hygiene products. Witnesses say that prisoners in Donskoy are usually divided so that civilians and prisoners of war are kept in different cells. However, not always, sometimes they are mixed. The cameras are designed for 10-24 people, and it is clear that the capacity has been increased since the beginning of the Great War. ” In Oskol, 6 or 8 people are held in cells, a maximum of 10. and in Tula, the cells are huge, for 24 people, for 18, 16, " says Vasily.The prisoners are picked up at 6 a.m. After breakfast, you can go for a walk. There is also lunch and dinner. All the time they are not busy eating, they are required to stand in the cell with their heads down until lights out. Every day, the cells are searched, during which the prisoners are driven out into the corridor and beaten. They take you to the shower once a week. "There is a good shower, you could stay for 20 minutes. In addition, we were rarely beaten at the entrance to it, whereas in Kursk we were always beaten, and we were given time to wash in a matter of seconds,” says Vitaly. Prisoners are cut once every two weeks. Before or after that, they are almost always beaten. The peculiarity of the colony in Donskoy compared to the Kursk or Bryansk pre — trial detention centers is the inability to get enough sleep, since prisoners are woken up at night and forced to stand for two hours. There may be several such rises per night.The food in the Tula colony is poor. "Because of small portions (even tea was poured no more than 100 grams) and the low caloric content of the diet, everyone, without exception, quickly loses weight. Many of us have returned from there with dystrophy,” explains Vasily. And Vitaly shows a photo taken after the exchange in Ukraine. During 11 months of captivity, the man lost more than 35 kg. In the Tula Colony, their place of stay is carefully hidden from prisoners, and they are also beaten all the time: with their hands, feet, sticks, and broken ribs. “They didn't hit me on the head — there was probably some order. And they never beat me in the cells — only in the corridor and in other rooms,” says Vitaly, noting that employees of the Federal Penitentiary Service and special forces are engaged in this in Donskoy. Complaining about feeling unwell, especially if it occurred as a result of a beating, is useless. However, people with chronic illnesses are given medication from time to time, and those with serious bleeding or festering wounds can be bandaged. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEFC1ZyWAAAcwkL?format=jpg&name=medium
21/ .Correctional colony No. 12 in the Rostov region.Address: 94 Morskaya St., Kamensk-Shakhtinsky, Rostov region, Russia, 347810 Heads of the institution: Anatoly Sergeevich Kaplunov Contacts: +7(86365) 4-60-29, + 7(86365) 4-60-30, e-mail: [email protected], [email protected] Men's correctional colony No. 12 in the city of Kamensk-Shakhtinsky is one of the closest to the border with Ukraine. In March 2022, Russian publications reported that prisoners were being transported from this prison to other institutions under the pretext of preparing for repairs. Subsequently, several anonymous Telegram channels reported that in fact VK No. 12, like some other prisons in the Rostov region, is being released for the needs of the military in order to keep captured Ukrainians there. Local authorities denied this information, but it turned out to be true.All prisoners arriving in Kamensk-Shakhtinsky are subjected to an acceptance procedure, when guards line up in a row and beat each prisoner on the back with a rubber baton. After that, the prisoners of war are taken to a two-story room called “Quarantine”. On the second floor, there is a recreation area where prisoners only slept, while during the day they were required to stay on the first floor. "We woke up in the morning and went down to the first floor. We had to stand there all the time. They forgot about breakfast. Lunch arrived around three. Before lights out, we were lined up again. We stand there, waiting for permission to go up. In front of us were lined up special forces and representatives of the correctional colony — all with batons. And suddenly it started.The first one ran-they started beating us. He falls, is picked up and continues to be beaten. And so we went up to the second floor every time, " says the released prisoner and shows the scar on his head. "One of the guards deliberately pushed me, and I ran into a metal door.” After the” quarantine“, the prisoners are transferred to the” detachment " — a three-story Barrack-type House. The day here starts at 6 am with a check-up. At 6.20 am, everyone is kicked out on the street for exercise. “It was already cold, freezing. If before in Taganrog we were given shoes, then here we were wearing sandals,” the military man says. They were fed in the dining room. "Cooks were selected among our prisoners — they cooked. A little better than the locals. Normal bread was given. But you had to eat everything in two minutes — just sit down, it's time to finish. It's still hot. Therefore, they constantly went with a burned mouth,” the man recalls.Another former prisoner of war, whose name we also do not disclose for security reasons, was taken to Kamensk-Shakhtinsky on September 25, 2022. The man spent three days in “quarantine”, but after that he was transferred not to a barrack, but to a penal isolation ward — a pre-trial detention center, where prisoners are held in cells. "I was in a two-person cell. We had two beds, a table, an armchair and a bench. The cell was 6 m long and 2 m wide. the place where you could stand or move was half a meter by two meters for two people,” he says. Prisoners are forbidden to sit in cells. Violators are taken out into the corridor and beaten. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEFGv3EWEAAjPrx?format=jpg&name=medium
22/22. The day in the pre-trial detention center also begins at 6 am with the Russian national anthem. Lights out at 10 pm. They don't take you outside. "It is better that they are not taken out of the cell. Because every time they take you out, they beat you. We were also taken to the bathhouse. But you only have time to run in, Get Wet, and you have to go back to the cell. At the same time, you are also beaten,” the man says. According to him, there were about a hundred prisoners of war in the pre-trial detention center, most of whom were transported from Crimea. They tried to arrange good conditions: “they could give you toilet paper, and a toothbrush with Paste. At first, they were poorly fed. Then a colonel came and said that they would try to make a prisoner-of-war camp, that they would feed us better and not beat us. But he added:”You understand, I will say that you should not be beaten, but changes are different, people are different, so do not think that you will not be beaten." As a result, nothing changed, as they beat, and continued.”About medical care in correctional colony No. 12, both servicemen say that it is better without it. "In early October, everyone started getting dysentery, they didn't know what to do about it. First they brought us pills, then they started calling us to the infirmary. You go there, a young guy is waiting for you with a baton, you take this pill, get 3-4 blows to the back, then —on the hands. So they tried to teach us a lesson so that we would not drink tap water. That's how we were treated,” the military man says. Opposite the cell of another military man was a small room — the “reception” of a doctor. “We had a civilian, he was in his 50s and had heart surgery, he needed blood-thinning pills. This doctor came and beat him very hard with a baton. We heard the doctor say, " Well, did I dilute your blood? Go, " the guy says. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEFHPLdXQAAt50D?format=jpg&name=medium
Russia is not a civilized nation. There can be no treatment of Russia as if they were equal to other countries. Russia must be excluded from every international body. There should be no limit to any sanctions and punishments. Russia should have no rights as a nation unless they can live up to the standards of at least the latter 20th century. That they act this way while claiming to be on the side of all that is good and holy is another disgrace. They are hell's own representatives on earth. They are a plague and a cancer to all humanity.  That’s the best I can give you. Couldn’t find a “10 outa fucking 10” emoji.  Not all nations are “pretty much the same, just different flavors”. No. A few are evil, barbaric, corrupt to the core, and pathological liars. There can be no rational discussion or negotiation with them. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 10:21:46 PM EDT
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Chinese "Lend-Lease" in the lens of our FPV drone.  https://t.me/combatfootageua/12016 🇺🇦🇷🇺 Use of a Ukrainian 2S22 "Bohdana" 8x8 155mm self-propelled gun somewhere in #Ukraine . 👉 Here on a Tatra 8x8 chassis, it looks exactly like the French-designed CAESAR 8x8. But here, this is indeed one of the 4 versions of the 2S22 designed and produced in Ukraine.
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Russia is not a civilized nation. There can be no treatment of Russia as if they were equal to other countries. Russia must be excluded from every international body. There should be no limit to any sanctions and punishments. Russia should have no rights as a nation unless they can live up to the standards of at least the latter 20th century. That they act this way while claiming to be on the side of all that is good and holy is another disgrace. They are hell's own representatives on earth. They are a plague and a cancer to all humanity. I will argue that easily 90% of the world would treat POW's about the same, some worse. The relative gentle and civilized treatment of EPW's is a Western abnormality. Just my opinion as a former EPW Camp guard from DS#1... |
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Quote HistoryThese summaries are great. But the last one, I can't make sense of. The caption reads: A Russian AFV is damaged and subsequently destroyed whilst attempting to assault a Ukrainian Position. Near Avdiivka [Published 18/01/2024] |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 10:38:18 PM EDT
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These videos and this entire thread makes me think that Putin is the number one existential treat to Russia itself. He is the classic "Enemy of the People".
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Posted: 1/18/2024 10:43:30 PM EDT
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That’s an 8, Hawks were not manufactured in 1901 or 2001
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 ‼️ Russian X-101 missiles are different from those used in 2022 ☝️ The representative of the Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Vadym Skibitsky, emphasized that the occupiers learn quickly enough, and rejected the possibility of transitioning to a "deaf" defense. "The enemy learns, he learns quite quickly. I'll just give you an example: the Kh-101 cruise missiles are completely different from those used in 2022. This is a missile already with an active electronic warfare system, with active protection, heat traps, etc.," said the representative of the GUR during the discussion program in Davos. "We have to develop everything: air defense, and take care of the defense of the military industry, and that it gives products, and we have to take, in particular, counteroffensive measures in order to prevent the loss of territories. And the experience of 2023 showed us this," Vadym Skibitsky noted. https://t.me/DIUkraine/3312 |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 11:06:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNeat, I think they will be in good shape with their own defense industry once this is over. 
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Posted: 1/18/2024 11:42:20 PM EDT
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⚡️Front-line report for the morning 01/18/2024⚡️
In the Zaporozhye direction there are oncoming battles to the west of the village of Rabotino. The Ukrainian Armed Forces are trying to stabilize the situation in this area. At the same time, the Russian Armed Forces continue local attacks from Novoprokopovka and Verbovoy. (Fig. 1)  On the Donetsk front, Russian troops carried out assault operations on the southern outskirts of Novomikhailovka, near Georgievka, from the southeast and northeast to Avdeevka, as well as in Stepnoe (not to be confused with the settlements of the same name in the Zaporozhye and Ugledar directions). (Fig. 2) In the Bakhmut direction, the Russian Armed Forces are trying to break through the defenses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces at the heights north-west of Kleshcheevka, from Khromovoye and in Bogdanovka. Ukrainian units are holding their positions. (Fig. 3) In the Lugansk direction, Russian troops carried out offensive operations near Ternov, Makeevka, Petropavlovka and Sinkovka. LBS has not changed significantly. (Fig. 4) https://t.me/wargonzo/17654 #Summary for the morning of January 18, 2024 ▪️As night fell, the Geranium UAVs worked on enemy targets, which were recorded at the Starokonstantinov airfield in the Khmelnitsky region. Powerful explosions were heard in the logistics hub of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Kherson direction - in Snigirevka, as well as in Pavlograd, Dnepropetrovsk region. Missiles struck the Kharkov region. ▪️In the Kherson direction, as a result of heavy bloody battles, our fighters planted a Russian flag in Krynki. However, the enemy holds part of the village, conducts artillery fire and strikes with drones. “It’s hell in Krynki,” write experienced fighters from the direction. ▪️On the Zaporozhye front, the Russian Armed Forces occupied several enemy strongholds near the village. Pyatikhatki. Enemy counterattacks were repelled at Verbovoy, and our aviation continues to fire high-explosive bombs against enemy concentrations near Orekhov. ▪️In the Yuzhnodonetsk direction (south of Marinka) there are battles near Novomikhailovka. The Russian Armed Forces are bypassing the settlement from the south, fighting their way through forest plantations. In the direction of Kurakhovo, our units are moving through Georgievka, while they are operating on the eastern outskirts of the village. ▪️Avdeevskoe direction and the front section west of Artemovsk have not undergone significant changes. The Russian Armed Forces maintain the initiative and strike, trying to move forward. ▪️Belogorovka (13 km south of Kremennaya) becomes the new direction of attack of the Russian Armed Forces. After the battles in the Serebryansky forestry, our troops are trying to take the populated area in a pincer movement, striking with 203-mm high-power guns, and conducting assault operations against strongholds of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. ▪️In the North Ukrainian direction, the commander of the Joint Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Lieutenant General Sergei Naev, called on residents of the border areas of the Sumy and Chernihiv regions to evacuate due to the increasing frequency of visits by Russian friends. In addition, the authorities of the Kharkov region introduced a mandatory evacuation of the population from the Kondrashevskaya and Kurilovskaya communities of the Kupyansky district. ▪️At night, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported that one UAV was destroyed over the Moscow region and one was intercepted over the Leningrad region. The enemy is trying to increase attacks on the Belgorod region. The outskirts of the village of Repyakhovka, Krasnoyaruzhsky district, came under fire from the Ukrainian Armed Forces; in the Valuysky urban district, an aircraft-type UAV was shot down near the village of Druzhba. In the morning, a missile alert was launched in Belgorod. In the Kursk region, in the village of Sverdlikovo, Sudzhansky district, a Ukrainian kamikaze drone damaged one household. In the Bryansk region, Sushany, Klimovsky district, was fired upon, three UAVs were suppressed by means over the Bryansk region. By nightfall, two Ukrainian Tochka-U tactical missiles were shot down by the air defense systems of the Russian Ministry of Defense over the Starodub municipal district. In addition, in the Surazhsky district there is damage on the ground also from the downed Tochka-U. The summary was compiled by: Two majors https://t.me/dva_majors/32986 |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 11:43:47 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: How possible would it be to rework the T-64s with a brand new turret that overcomes the shortcomings of the T-series, namely sitting on the magazine? Keep the gun or move to NATO 120mm, magazine in the bustle fed by a new autoloader. Good thermal sight and a basic active protection system. Objectively what is likely the fate of Ukraine's T-series tanks after the war? They may have to continue using them as 1)I assume they won't have the luxury of full and immediate replacement with Leopard2A8s, and 2)Round 2 will probably be sooner than later. If they get full replacement, the Korean tank is probably the best fit. Affordable, modern, closer to the T-series than Leopards and Abrams. Would have some commonality with Poland. Shorter delivery times. I wasn't able to find a number for ground pressure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By MKSheppard: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:
No clue why he said it's no problem for the T-64. T-64's suspension is essentially the best for sticky mud. It beats out the T-72; the T-72 is notorious for getting stuck where the T-64 keeps powering on. There's a reason Ukraine kept the T-64 in service...(besides manufacturing it). EDIT: It's not just ground pressure; but the configuration of the T-64 rollers, suspension, etc all contribute to keep mud from getting jammed into the suspension. How possible would it be to rework the T-64s with a brand new turret that overcomes the shortcomings of the T-series, namely sitting on the magazine? Keep the gun or move to NATO 120mm, magazine in the bustle fed by a new autoloader. Good thermal sight and a basic active protection system. Objectively what is likely the fate of Ukraine's T-series tanks after the war? They may have to continue using them as 1)I assume they won't have the luxury of full and immediate replacement with Leopard2A8s, and 2)Round 2 will probably be sooner than later. If they get full replacement, the Korean tank is probably the best fit. Affordable, modern, closer to the T-series than Leopards and Abrams. Would have some commonality with Poland. Shorter delivery times. I wasn't able to find a number for ground pressure. Both the T-84 and the T-72 had 120mm prototypes built in the early 2000s. They both had/have a different type of autoloader in the turret bustle with blow-out panels. The T-84 lost the Turkish tank bid and the T-72 mod was just as expensive as buying a brand new tank so neither went anywhere. The issue with the T-64 appears to be the engine, turret, and suspension. So as long as they build it from the hull up with a new engine cooling system, suspension, and turret, they're golden. "In Ukraine, during the discussion of plans to modernize the existing fleet of T-64 tanks, the question of the possible installation of 120-mm "NATO guns"on combat vehicles was raised. As the Defense Express portal notes, the lack of own production of 125-mm shells for the guns currently in service speaks in favor of this decision. However, new 120-mm ammunition is also not produced, they will still have to be purchased abroad at much higher prices. There are also a lot of technical problems that will make it very difficult to work in this direction. For example, to implement such plans, you will need a welded-rolled tower, which needs to be replaced by a regular cast one. The existing loading mechanism of the "sixty-fourth" works only with Soviet separate shots and is not suitable for a unitary 120-mm ammunition. Therefore, we will have to make a new automated system, similar to the one used on the T-84-120 "Yatagan" with its installation in an abandoned space. But the tower with a developed aft part, overhanging the engine and transmission compartment, will significantly complicate its cooling. As a result, the 100-horsepower 6TD engine will overheat, which will negate maneuverability, driving and operational characteristics. As a result, there is a need to refine the cooling system. It should also be noted that all these innovations will increase the weight and increase the load on the chassis. If you redo it, it is again an additional expense. It is unknown how much time all these works will take in modern Ukrainian realities and how it will end." |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 11:45:01 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Neat, I think they will be in good shape with their own defense industry once this is over. https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-I6_D3xz9yng/Vw0acHf30RI/AAAAAAABQjI/RUQiZzek0A01we3GGbx8b5JzgrqLbo1rACLcB/s1600/12967357_856962964431530_809462644151131274_o.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Neat, I think they will be in good shape with their own defense industry once this is over. https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-I6_D3xz9yng/Vw0acHf30RI/AAAAAAABQjI/RUQiZzek0A01we3GGbx8b5JzgrqLbo1rACLcB/s1600/12967357_856962964431530_809462644151131274_o.jpg They’ll certainly have an incentive to cut the bullshit and get projects moving. I really find these questions fascinating. The state of warfare that exists now is not what it was in 2016 or 2014. The Russian Armata, even if it was available, which it isn’t, is probably just as vulnerable to a $1500 FV with an RPG-7 warhead as a stock T-64, or this hypothetical T-64 development. However and whenever this ends, Ukraine, Russia, and Europe will probably be going to Round Two within a very few years. As such, a complete revamp of either Ukrainian or Russian equipment simply isn’t going to happen. No matter what the Russians say about their production. So, what can/should you do with limited time and budget? Leave the tanks as they are and go all-in on agile EW packages on every vehicle? |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 11:51:22 PM EDT
[#49]
One system that was confirmed to be in Ukraine about a year ago was that 70mm laser-guided rocket kit. I haven’t seen any of those at all since then. I wonder why? Maybe we are seeing them in use but they’re not identified/mis-identified?
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Posted: 1/18/2024 11:54:58 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Both the T-84 and the T-72 had 120mm prototypes built in the early 2000s. They both had/have a different type of autoloader in the turret bustle with blow-out panels. The T-84 lost the Turkish tank bid and the T-72 mod was just as expensive as buying a brand new tank so neither went anywhere. The issue with the T-64 appears to be the engine, turret, and suspension. So as long as they build it from the hull up with a new engine cooling system, suspension, and turret, they're golden. "In Ukraine, during the discussion of plans to modernize the existing fleet of T-64 tanks, the question of the possible installation of 120-mm "NATO guns"on combat vehicles was raised. As the Defense Express portal notes, the lack of own production of 125-mm shells for the guns currently in service speaks in favor of this decision. However, new 120-mm ammunition is also not produced, they will still have to be purchased abroad at much higher prices. There are also a lot of technical problems that will make it very difficult to work in this direction. For example, to implement such plans, you will need a welded-rolled tower, which needs to be replaced by a regular cast one. The existing loading mechanism of the "sixty-fourth" works only with Soviet separate shots and is not suitable for a unitary 120-mm ammunition. Therefore, we will have to make a new automated system, similar to the one used on the T-84-120 "Yatagan" with its installation in an abandoned space. But the tower with a developed aft part, overhanging the engine and transmission compartment, will significantly complicate its cooling. As a result, the 100-horsepower 6TD engine will overheat, which will negate maneuverability, driving and operational characteristics. As a result, there is a need to refine the cooling system. It should also be noted that all these innovations will increase the weight and increase the load on the chassis. If you redo it, it is again an additional expense. It is unknown how much time all these works will take in modern Ukrainian realities and how it will end." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By MKSheppard: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:
No clue why he said it's no problem for the T-64. T-64's suspension is essentially the best for sticky mud. It beats out the T-72; the T-72 is notorious for getting stuck where the T-64 keeps powering on. There's a reason Ukraine kept the T-64 in service...(besides manufacturing it). EDIT: It's not just ground pressure; but the configuration of the T-64 rollers, suspension, etc all contribute to keep mud from getting jammed into the suspension. How possible would it be to rework the T-64s with a brand new turret that overcomes the shortcomings of the T-series, namely sitting on the magazine? Keep the gun or move to NATO 120mm, magazine in the bustle fed by a new autoloader. Good thermal sight and a basic active protection system. Objectively what is likely the fate of Ukraine's T-series tanks after the war? They may have to continue using them as 1)I assume they won't have the luxury of full and immediate replacement with Leopard2A8s, and 2)Round 2 will probably be sooner than later. If they get full replacement, the Korean tank is probably the best fit. Affordable, modern, closer to the T-series than Leopards and Abrams. Would have some commonality with Poland. Shorter delivery times. I wasn't able to find a number for ground pressure. Both the T-84 and the T-72 had 120mm prototypes built in the early 2000s. They both had/have a different type of autoloader in the turret bustle with blow-out panels. The T-84 lost the Turkish tank bid and the T-72 mod was just as expensive as buying a brand new tank so neither went anywhere. The issue with the T-64 appears to be the engine, turret, and suspension. So as long as they build it from the hull up with a new engine cooling system, suspension, and turret, they're golden. "In Ukraine, during the discussion of plans to modernize the existing fleet of T-64 tanks, the question of the possible installation of 120-mm "NATO guns"on combat vehicles was raised. As the Defense Express portal notes, the lack of own production of 125-mm shells for the guns currently in service speaks in favor of this decision. However, new 120-mm ammunition is also not produced, they will still have to be purchased abroad at much higher prices. There are also a lot of technical problems that will make it very difficult to work in this direction. For example, to implement such plans, you will need a welded-rolled tower, which needs to be replaced by a regular cast one. The existing loading mechanism of the "sixty-fourth" works only with Soviet separate shots and is not suitable for a unitary 120-mm ammunition. Therefore, we will have to make a new automated system, similar to the one used on the T-84-120 "Yatagan" with its installation in an abandoned space. But the tower with a developed aft part, overhanging the engine and transmission compartment, will significantly complicate its cooling. As a result, the 100-horsepower 6TD engine will overheat, which will negate maneuverability, driving and operational characteristics. As a result, there is a need to refine the cooling system. It should also be noted that all these innovations will increase the weight and increase the load on the chassis. If you redo it, it is again an additional expense. It is unknown how much time all these works will take in modern Ukrainian realities and how it will end." Thanks for posting that. Seems like it’s pointless to work on any of the T-series tanks in any meaningful way. Just buy K2s with Poland. |
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