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Posted: 1/31/2024 1:42:31 AM EDT
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Eff Putin and the people who support that cock sucking Biden loving child abusing PoS.
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Posted: 1/31/2024 1:42:44 AM EDT
[#2]
It looks like some Russian military hardware from Ecuador may end up in Ukraine. The Russians aren't happy.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/31/2024 2:03:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: We should have dethroned him in '91. We had 500K troops in country and had the Iraqi military on the ropes. They were done. We should have negotiated some favorable terms to Saddam and his family, 'take your billion and sit in exile in Quatar or someplace that would take him, or we keep heading into Baghdad. Instead the bottled up Iraqi army was allowed to get back North, Saddam was allowed to run his mouth and within months was violating agreements, starting trouble like killing off a bunch of Kurds. By 2003, we tried again with 1/3 the troops, few allies, and no plan. Didn't have the UN mandate to do it. Back then in the afterglow of the cold war we assumed we were moving to a New World Order characterized by peace through global economic interdependence and the rule of international law and the End of History and all. Then we just kinda fucked off for about 10 years, which was an awesome time in America, and then OBL. And now we're here. Fuck, that happened fast. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 2:43:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By METT-T: Didn't have the UN mandate to do it. Back then in the afterglow of the cold war we assumed we were moving to a New World Order characterized by peace through global economic interdependence and the rule of international law and the End of History and all. Then we just kinda fucked off for about 10 years, which was an awesome time in America, and then OBL. And now we're here. Fuck, that happened fast. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By METT-T: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: We should have dethroned him in '91. We had 500K troops in country and had the Iraqi military on the ropes. They were done. We should have negotiated some favorable terms to Saddam and his family, 'take your billion and sit in exile in Quatar or someplace that would take him, or we keep heading into Baghdad. Instead the bottled up Iraqi army was allowed to get back North, Saddam was allowed to run his mouth and within months was violating agreements, starting trouble like killing off a bunch of Kurds. By 2003, we tried again with 1/3 the troops, few allies, and no plan. Didn't have the UN mandate to do it. Back then in the afterglow of the cold war we assumed we were moving to a New World Order characterized by peace through global economic interdependence and the rule of international law and the End of History and all. Then we just kinda fucked off for about 10 years, which was an awesome time in America, and then OBL. And now we're here. Fuck, that happened fast. And most likely headed back to world war because, thus far, we haven’t acted decisively enough. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 4:25:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2024 4:29:24 AM EDT
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Russia hates everyone. Literally Nazi playbook. Why are Russians allowed to move freely about civilized society?
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WY, USA
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Posted: 1/31/2024 4:44:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: There’s a large body of water next door, so there could be sharks with lazer beams. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By 3Florks: Originally Posted By Capta: I’m amazed at how much that looks like a Bond Villain lair. Yeah but it's not surrounded by liquid hot magma, and no sharks with frickin Lazer beams  There’s a large body of water next door, so there could be sharks with lazer beams. I'll tempered Bass would work |
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WY, USA
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Posted: 1/31/2024 4:53:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3Florks]
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Quote HistoryHoly shit SOLID numbers. I don't care about troop numbers. The loss of equipment is gonna break the Orcs back. It's that simple. You can't lose that many tubes and APC's a day. It's unsustainable.. That's it |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 5:16:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2024 5:21:49 AM EDT
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 No sighting of the second dumbest general in Russia for over a month.
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Posted: 1/31/2024 6:05:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: 💯 It would be great to have all of us guessing why there is a 150km deep smoke ring along Russias border for a few days as fuel farms, substations, depots, and airfields roil in black smoke. Then confirm. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By burnka871: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Hopefully all moving or stored logistics get smashed as well as ALL artillery and MLRS. I believe this makes most helicopter bases within range as well. Fuel depots and oil/gas infrastructure. It should be glorious! I wish they announced around 3 days after they started being used 💯 It would be great to have all of us guessing why there is a 150km deep smoke ring along Russias border for a few days as fuel farms, substations, depots, and airfields roil in black smoke. Then confirm. Confirm nothing, just let the Orcs find out.
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Posted: 1/31/2024 6:30:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: ... be creative! Have fun! Well, the house of my ex could need some new ventilation holes.
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Posted: 1/31/2024 6:35:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4xGM300m]
[#13]
 Army’s Cannon, Propellant Updates Reflect Lessons Learned in Ukraine 1/24/2024 By Scott R. Gourley Very interesting article! |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:16:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: theskuh]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/OEwxMT5.jpeg Army's Cannon, Propellant Updates Reflect Lessons Learned in Ukraine 1/24/2024 By Scott R. Gourley Very interesting article! Its good they are diversifying their sources from just Watervliet. I wish they had another US spot instead of going to Germany Seems crazy that the Arsenal is the only place we build large tubes In the US. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:27:17 AM EDT
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 In a number of areas of the South Donetsk direction, the enemy began to actively use aircraft-type UAVs with an explosive charge. Frequency range at which the UAV is controlled: 5.8 GHz; a UAV repeater is used for control, presumably at a frequency of 900 MHz. The flight range of this UAV is up to 70 km. The filling is from the FPV, the difference is in the fuselage and the number of engines. When jammed, it maintains its trajectory, then picks up the signal again and continues its flight. It is difficult to shoot down with small arms - you need to hit the diversion receiver, or cause critical damage to the fuselage. @voin_dv https://t.me/voin_dv/6816 |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:37:29 AM EDT
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💥Suburbs of Kharkiv - explosions
https://t.me/povitryanatrivogaaa/76715 Border guards landed five Russian drones in the Kharkiv region 
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:45:50 AM EDT
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⚡️Rocket launches in the Simferopol region near the village of Maryino in the direction to the west, our subscribers report.
https://t.me/Crimeanwind/53015 ❗️According to our source, this was an unauthorized launch of the Buk M1 air defense missile system. Information needs confirmation. https://t.me/Crimeanwind/53016 |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:49:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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  Local Governor At night, residents of neighborhoods near Glukhoozerskoye Highway heard a loud bang. An incident occurred at an industrial site in the Nevsky district that required the attention of law enforcement agencies. There were no casualties. There was no significant damage to property. Investigations are currently underway. The city administration works in cooperation with law enforcement agencies. https://t.me/a_beglov/6070 |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:07:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:30:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By METT-T: Didn't have the UN mandate to do it. Back then in the afterglow of the cold war we assumed we were moving to a New World Order characterized by peace through global economic interdependence and the rule of international law and the End of History and all. Then we just kinda fucked off for about 10 years, which was an awesome time in America, and then OBL. And now we're here. Fuck, that happened fast. I guess the cost of putting the large coalition together was this type of bullshit. I do remember desperate attempts to keep Israel out of the conflict so the Muzzy members do not leave. At least the actual fighting and liberation of Kuwait was full-force. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:46:20 AM EDT
[#21]
Ukrainian sources thread.
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Posted: 1/31/2024 9:01:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Russia hates everyone. Literally Nazi playbook. Why are Russians allowed to move freely about civilized society?
Those "Jewish nazi's" again... Russia's stupid propaganda is....stupid. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 9:02:05 AM EDT
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Video presentation in English by Prokopenko-
Recently, the Azov Brigade delegation took part in the EstMil. tech 2024 military conference in Tallinn. This year's main theme of the conference was "Military Technologies: Challenges for Small States". Estonia, like other countries that share a border with Russia, is well aware of all the threats posed by this border. Therefore, they are extremely interested in studying and learning from the unprecedented experience of the war in Ukraine, including in the context of the use of modern technologies in combat operations. We remember our common history of being under the oppression of Kremlin imperialism and understand the responsibility that lies with us today in defending freedom in the region, so we are ready to share our experience, knowledge and skills with our allies. In memory of the tragedies of the past and for the future of our free nations. Azov officers Arsenii "Process" Fedosiuk and Ilya "Gandalf" Samoilenko made a presentation on "Network-centric warfare" at one of the conference panels moderated by Brigadier General Vahur Karus of the Estonian Army. I had the honor of recording a video address to the conference participants, in which I briefly described how in 2017 a group of Azov officers began implementing the NATO ISTAR system in the unit and emphasized that despite the huge increase in the role of the latest technologies in warfare since 2014, the importance of infantry units on the battlefield remains crucial. Despite all the breakthrough aspects in the use of reconnaissance and strike drones in warfare, it is the trained, disciplined and motivated personnel who remain the main principle and fundamental factor in successful warfare.
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Posted: 1/31/2024 9:08:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Russian Ministry of Defense:
On January 31, as a result of the negotiation process, 195 Russian military personnel, who were in mortal danger in captivity, were returned from territory controlled by the Kyiv regime. In exchange, exactly 195 prisoners of war of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were transferred. The released military personnel will be transported by military transport aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces to Moscow for treatment and rehabilitation in medical institutions of the Russian Ministry of Defense. All those released are provided with the necessary medical and psychological assistance. https://t.me/dva_majors/33721 https://t.me/mod_russia/35191 Ours are home. 207 boys. We return in spite of everything. We remember each and every captive. Soldiers and civilians. We have to return everyone. We are working on it. Now is another great work of the Ukrainian team. Budanov, Yermak, Usov, Malyuk, Klymenko - well done! 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 https://t.me/V_Zelenskiy_official/9314
  
   ❗️95 Armed Forces soldiers, 56 National Guardsmen, 26 border guards, 29 Teroborona soldiers and one policeman were released from captivity. Of the 207 dismissed, 27 were officers. At least 36 of those released have injuries or serious illnesses Junior sergeant Zakhar, who fell into the hands of the Russians together with his wife Tatiana after the evacuation from Azovstal, was returned from captivity. The woman was exchanged six months later, she settled with her daughters in Dnipro, but a Russian rocket killed her and one of her daughters. The eldest surviving daughter is waiting for Zakhar. Medics who performed operations in extremely difficult conditions at the Mariupol Metallurgical Combine and Azovstal were also released. https://t.me/newspn/80597 |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 9:12:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Posted: 1/31/2024 9:30:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
[#26]
 Posted by Budanov  БУДАНОВ розкрив секрет ПУТІНА та КІМА. ЦЕ знову станеться в КРИМУ! ЕКСКЛЮЗИВНЕ інтерв''ю голови ГУР
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Posted: 1/31/2024 9:33:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Mr. Nielsen argues that, while Russia is indeed unable to launch a full-scale invasion against NATO countries, it is quite capable of attempting to break the Alliance apart. Russia is interested in establishing a new geopolitical reality in which NATO ceases to exist and Russia can have bilateral relations with each country separately, not through an "umbrella" of an alliance. Russia might start by launching a small "military operation" on just one NATO country - Northern Finland seems a possible location. The scale of the strike should be enough to "trigger" Article 5, but not large enough for a guaranteed full-scale response by the NATO forces. In that case, Russia would watch NATO's response closely. If other NATO countries (and the US, in particular) will decide that it is not necessary to get involved due to the "minor" nature of the incident, that would effectively mean that NATO Alliance is over. And that opens a lot of favorable opportunities for Russia. If, on the other hand, NATO acts clearly and decisively and shows that the Alliance is indeed willing to go to war for a small piece of "insignificant" land, it is probable that Russia will back off. What do you think about this scenario? Source: Anders Puck Nielsen/YouTube 📸: The Guardian Bolded is exactly my concern. The US is trying to find every excuse imaginable not to confront Russia as it attacks various MATO countries and even downplays the importance of Ukraine (except when Repubs give Biden cover to do nothing, then he speaks bravely). Weakness invites aggression. I guess Mr. Nielsen cracked open a book on WWII and it's causes. The above scenario would probably work under the Xiden regime, or subsequent demo-commie like Kamala/Newsome et al. Russia can see cracks in the alliance now over Russian oil/gas and military aid to Ukraine. They would just have to pick the right place/time to attack. Someplace with Russian minorities to give "humanitarian" cover to US politicians so they can start the "it's just an internal issue, not our fight, both the same" bullshit. Hell, had Russia tried doing this instead of starting with Ukraine which was highly militarized after 8 years of war, maybe they could have fractured NATO. Russia's military has been exposed as an all-clown circus, but NATO likewise got exposed as a paper tiger with 3 days worth of ammo and a combined tank force of 100. Probably the biggest surprise/disappointment was realizing that given the right political climate and administration in the USA, ALL BETS ARE OFF and the world dominating US military is just for paper-deterrence ("all hats and no cows") only to be used for 3rd World adventurism (Iraq) and will not be allowed to defend the current world order. We are in for interesting times fellas. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 9:45:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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#працьюегур
🔥 The GUR cyber attack "knocked down" the Russian Defense Ministry's special communications server 👉 The Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine informs - on January 30, 2024, as a result of a cyber attack, the server of the Ministry of Defense of the aggressor state of Russia, which was used for special communication, was "disrupted". 🫡 The operation in the enemy's cyberspace was carried out by specialists of the GUR of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. ☑️ As a result of the cyber attack, the exchange of information between the units of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, which used the specified server located in Moscow, was stopped. ☝️ The software on the attacked server was approved by the FSB of the Russian Federation as meeting state information protection standards. ⚡️ Appropriate software was installed at various strategic facilities of the Russian public sector, in particular - military. ⚔️ Cyber operation - ongoing. 🇺🇦 Glory to Ukraine! https://t.me/DIUkraine/3386 Cyberattack, good autotranslate  Сервери і мережі держави-агресора росії ― законна ціль для наших кіберфахівців      
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Posted: 1/31/2024 9:48:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex9661: It looks like some Russian military hardware from Ecuador may end up in Ukraine. The Russians aren't happy. https://www.interfax.ru/world/943737 I am thinking that because of the political problems with direct aid funding for Ukraine stalled for now, that we seem to be horse trading our equipment for other countries Soviet style equipment that can be quickly sent and used in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 9:50:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3Florks: Holy shit SOLID numbers. I don't care about troop numbers. The loss of equipment is gonna break the Orcs back. It's that simple. You can't lose that many tubes and APC's a day. It's unsustainable.. That's it Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3Florks: Holy shit SOLID numbers. I don't care about troop numbers. The loss of equipment is gonna break the Orcs back. It's that simple. You can't lose that many tubes and APC's a day. It's unsustainable.. That's it Yep, and you keep that up, it is going to get pretty difficult to get meat to the front lines without a proper ride. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 9:57:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: HMMVs get used for that because they’re very low silhouette, relatively fast, and maneuverable. Shermans were enormously tall even in WW2. They’re armored about like a Bradley and they weigh what a Bradley does, but they’re about 30% as fast as a Bradley and an RPG-7 will pen them literally anywhere. They have gas engines and ammo stored all over the inside. Getting in a Sherman on the Ukrainian front would be a one-way ticket; I’d sooner ride in an HMMV or M113. Tanks were optimized to resist direct fire from the frontal arc. The advent of cheap and ubiquitous FPVs using cheap RPG-7 warheads means the threat is now outside spec for pretty much every tank ever made. Particularly the old ones. There was some info earlier in the war (no way to tell if it still applies) that Ukrainian T-series tanks were generally more survivable because as a policy they ONLY carried ammo in the carousel and and not carry any reserve ammo around the turret. The Russians, however, to lessen the burden on their logistical system, carried all the ammo they could and so pens much more frequently resulted in KABOOMs. I agree with your analysis of the Sherman. I was making a point that ANYTHING is better than nothing for Ukraine. And having 3000 hulls rotting in the desert with many hundreds 99% ready to roll but NOT BEING SENT is a fucking insult to Ukraine and a very obvious message to Putin and all other assholes like him..."we are sitting this one out"... Also, with 99% of battlefield threats coming from drones of one type or another, and top armor being VERY vulnerable, a tank seems more like a "truck" to get a big gun and some dismounts to the front instead of walking so one is almost as good as another. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 9:59:25 AM EDT
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The construction of fortifications and engineering barriers continues in the operational area of the "Tavria" OSUV.
The engineering divisions of the Support Forces Command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine arrange defense lines, which include anti-tank ditches, trenches, engineering and mine barriers.    
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:13:50 AM EDT
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All the ground system drones you will need for the future battlefield. Coming soon to a war zone near you!
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:15:19 AM EDT
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Michael Kofman retweeted
https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/01/30/the-feud-between-ukraines-president-and-army-chief-boils-over
https://www.bbc.com/russian/articles/c88np5337wno
https://www.bbc.com/russian/articles/c88np5337wno
https://www.bbc.com/russian/articles/c88np5337wno
https://www.bbc.com/russian/articles/c88np5337wno
https://www.bbc.com/russian/articles/c88np5337wno
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/zelensky-valery-zaluzhny-ukraine-war-general-lp9wdp3l2
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/zelensky-valery-zaluzhny-ukraine-war-general-lp9wdp3l2
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/zelensky-valery-zaluzhny-ukraine-war-general-lp9wdp3l2
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/31/zelensky-zaluzhny-ukraine-commander-ousted/ |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:16:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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20 minutes ago.
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:27:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:28:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 20 minutes ago.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFLQo_SW4AAys8o?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFLQ5FgWQAACO1S?format=jpg&name=small 16 minutes ago:
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Missile attack in Crimea. Serious. It's okay for now. https://t.me/chp_simferopol/18571 🔥 so-called Simferopol, Gvardiyske-explosions https://t.me/povitryanatrivogaaa/76744 ⚡️There are explosions in the Belbek airfield area, our subscriber reports https://t.me/Crimeanwind/53031 Vehicle traffic on the Crimean Bridge is temporarily blocked. Those on the bridge and in the inspection area are asked to remain calm and follow the instructions of transport security officers. https://t.me/most_official/4211 #namp write ⚡️Clapping sounds are heard again near Simferopol https://t.me/chp_simferopol/18580 🔴Simferopol downing of a UAV https://t.me/chp_simferopol/18581 |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:32:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#38]
A recent report published by the Center for European Policy Analysis, a U.S.-based think tank, found that ahead of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Slovak manufacturer was producing at 60% of its full capacity. Today, having secured a considerable number of contracts, the firm has maxed out its list of orders until 2025, according to the report. Additional investments nearing 50 million euros ($54 million) are in the pipeline to increase output. Local observers have been watching closely whether the new government of Prime Minister Robert Fico will recalibrate its assistance – civilian and military – to Ukraine. Despite the politician’s harsh pre-election narrative of “not a single round” for Ukraine, his flagship electoral slogan, he appears to have somewhat toned down his anti-aid rhetoric. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:38:16 AM EDT
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Ukrainian channel
🏓 Ethnic prejudices of Ukrainians — a survey by the National Institute of Social Sciences and Humanities. Ukrainians treat Poles, Canadians, Americans, Germans and French the best. The worst - to Russians, Belarusians, Roma, Africans and Romanians.  https://t.me/bakhmut_life/36298 |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:39:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:40:36 AM EDT
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Did not know Germany was sending these to ukraine
4km gun range 40km radar range But that rate of fire and airbrush munitions  Ukraine receives unique weapon from Germany |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:40:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:41:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:43:15 AM EDT
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Ha!
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:44:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:49:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:52:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:58:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Yep, and you keep that up, it is going to get pretty difficult to get meat to the front lines without a proper ride. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By 3Florks: Holy shit SOLID numbers. I don't care about troop numbers. The loss of equipment is gonna break the Orcs back. It's that simple. You can't lose that many tubes and APC's a day. It's unsustainable.. That's it Yep, and you keep that up, it is going to get pretty difficult to get meat to the front lines without a proper ride. There's been reports of the rooskies ability to get 100 tanks to the front every month. If they continue to lose 10-30 a day, it won't take long for their armored groups to become "combat ineffective". I don't remember seeing reports of how many artillery pieces they can make/refurb to send to the front but the same logic applies - lose more in a day than you can supply, eventually you run out of days. If those logistics vehicle keep getting schwacked, one has to wonder how they are getting ammo, food, fuel, repair parts, etc. to the front in addition to losing men before they even make it to the front. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:58:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Stoltenvrfg has been a strong voice in NATO and globally for Ukraine. Kudos good sir!
Stoltenberg has been remarkably clear-headed, rare among the bureaucrats that lead governments & global institutions. There should be more like him. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 11:00:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: There's been reports of the rooskies ability to get 100 tanks to the front every month. If they continue to lose 10-30 a day, it won't take long for their armored groups to become "combat ineffective". I don't remember seeing reports of how many artillery pieces they can make/refurb to send to the front but the same logic applies - lose more in a day than you can supply, eventually you run out of days. If those logistics vehicle keep getting schwacked, one has to wonder how they are getting ammo, food, fuel, repair parts, etc. to the front in addition to losing men before they even make it to the front. Maybe soon longer range drones can hurt the production numbers too and burn that candle from both ends |
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