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Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:00:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

Fair. All the current news has me pessimistic.

The only 'good' news is Ukraine isn't losing as badly as they could be, Russia's armaments production isn't quite as superior as it could be. That's not positive at all on either point. Quibbling over the makeup and balance of Russia's artillery production is the height of cope. Three million shells is still more than the entire west can produce, and three million is still three million. 122mm kills guys just as dead as 152mm. And guided FAB1500 is considerably more destructive than either one. Quibbling over what kind of air defense Russia destroyed is also cope. Loss of air defense is loss of air defense. Every missile that can't be fired at the planes delivering those FABs is a loss of resources that are extremely limited and hard to replace.

In the much larger strategic picture, a NATO that is depleted, diminished, and under recriminations is a NATO that will be unable to effectively respond to an invasion of the Baltics. Arguing that there's no prospect of putting American lives on the line in this conflict ignores secondary and tertiary effects, future effects enabled by actions today. If Europe's defense capacity is ruined by post-cold war cuts combined with aid to Ukraine, only the US will have the ability to save NATO in the Baltics. A direct conflict between US & Russia is something worth not risking. Which means taking a bigger risk on Ukraine today, where their troops can do the fighting if we give them sufficient weapons. If Putin feels emboldened and strong enough relative to NATO to move on the Baltics, there WILL be Americans coming home in boxes.
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
Originally Posted By lorazepam:
It is never too late until the surrender papers are signed.

Fair. All the current news has me pessimistic.

The only 'good' news is Ukraine isn't losing as badly as they could be, Russia's armaments production isn't quite as superior as it could be. That's not positive at all on either point. Quibbling over the makeup and balance of Russia's artillery production is the height of cope. Three million shells is still more than the entire west can produce, and three million is still three million. 122mm kills guys just as dead as 152mm. And guided FAB1500 is considerably more destructive than either one. Quibbling over what kind of air defense Russia destroyed is also cope. Loss of air defense is loss of air defense. Every missile that can't be fired at the planes delivering those FABs is a loss of resources that are extremely limited and hard to replace.

In the much larger strategic picture, a NATO that is depleted, diminished, and under recriminations is a NATO that will be unable to effectively respond to an invasion of the Baltics. Arguing that there's no prospect of putting American lives on the line in this conflict ignores secondary and tertiary effects, future effects enabled by actions today. If Europe's defense capacity is ruined by post-cold war cuts combined with aid to Ukraine, only the US will have the ability to save NATO in the Baltics. A direct conflict between US & Russia is something worth not risking. Which means taking a bigger risk on Ukraine today, where their troops can do the fighting if we give them sufficient weapons. If Putin feels emboldened and strong enough relative to NATO to move on the Baltics, there WILL be Americans coming home in boxes.



I am used to looking at the tactical situations, so to me it is important to know if a Patriot system was actually destroyed.  The ramifications are big, about a 200km plus area would be undefended if this was true, and Russia would be seriously taking advantage of this with cruise and ballistic missiles, plus aviation in that gap, which we aren't seeing in any reports.

Russian artillery that can't hit the target is wasted artillery, and by the Russian own estimates they require another 3 million rounds per year, so it is not adding up so rosy for them.  122mm that has to get closer to do the work is out ranged by 152mm and 155mm, and even drones.  Ukrainian counterbattery radar is a big force multiplier.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/02/15/three-million-shells-thats-how-much-more-artillery-ammo-russia-thinks-it-needs-to-defeat-ukraine/?sh=7a7bf3b55a5b

15,000 shells per day. That’s how much artillery ammunition the Kremlin believes it needs to blast Ukrainian forces into surrender and win the war in Ukraine in 2025.

That’s 5,000 more shells than Russian batteries currently are firing every day in Ukraine—and 9,000 more shells than Russian industry produces every day.

To make up the shortfall, the Kremlin has two options, neither without its limits. One, it can try to restore some of the roughly three million old shells that still are sitting in long-term storage in Russia.

Two, it can try to secure additional shipments from Iran and, more importantly, North Korea—on top of the two million or more shells Russia already has acquired from those countries.

It’s all easier said than done, and Russian forces face “a significant shortfall” of their main 152-millimeter shells next year, according to a new report from the Royal United Services Institute in London.

The Russian army’s thousands of howitzers fired with abandon in the early months of Russia’s wider war on Ukraine beginning in February 2022. According to the Estonian defense ministry, Russian batteries initially fired as many as 60,000 shells per day.

That incredible sustained barrage quickly burned through millions of rounds in just a few months, more or less consuming every 122-millimeter and 152-millimeter round Russian forces had on hand before the war.

Eighteen months later in late 2023, the Russians were shooting just 10,000 shells a day—and the Ukrainians, flush with a million South Korean shells the Americans had bought for them, roughly matched that firing rate.

Before 2022, Russian industry was capable of producing, or generating from war reserves, just 400,000 shells per year, according to the Estonian defense ministry. As old shells run out, the Russians must compensate by building more new shells.

And they are. Two years of investment, which has contributed to the doubling or tripling of the share of its national wealth Russian spends on its armed force, has expanded annual artillery production to 2.1 million 122-millimeter and 152-millimter shells.

But that’s less than half of the 5.6 million shells that, according to RUSI, Russian officials believe they need to sustain a winning strategy in Ukraine through this year and into next.

There may be another three million old shells in storage in Russia, but “much of this is in poor condition,” RUSI analysts Jack Watling and Nick Reynolds wrote.

Do Iran and North Korea have another few million shells they’re willing to part with? Can Russia afford the multi-billion-dollar price? It’s unclear.

 


Again, I am a proponent of stopping problems before they get bigger, but given the current situation we have to work with it.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:07:51 PM EDT
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Crew got away.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:09:59 PM EDT
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MAD = German Bundeswehr counter intelligence service.



Un-fucking-believable.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:11:20 PM EDT
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MAD = German Bundeswehr counter intelligence service.



Un-fucking-believable.
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It happens everywhere, putting people in power where they have no experience, or unqualified.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:16:11 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:18:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

Unbelievable. Training pilots and finding surplus planes to send to Ukraine could and should have started in late 2021. Not only is this support too little, too late, it promises to make no improvement in the balance of forces. Russia's superiority in fires and new standoff capability in FAB/KABs give every confidence that Russia can win the war this year. Two and a half years after they intended to win, but an ugly win is still a win.

I hope Europe is ready for 10 million new refugees streaming from the east fleeing genocide.
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
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⚡️12 🇺🇦Ukrainian pilots will be ready for F-16 combat flights in the summer of 2024, - The New York Times.

But by the time the pilots return to Ukraine, only 6 F-16s may be delivered out of about 45 fighters promised by European allies. Delivery and preparation turned out to be a "difficult task," the newspaper noted.

The training of pilots on modern aircraft is happening "with lightning speed", but in general the training process is progressing more slowly than Ukraine and its allies had hoped. However, the Minister of Defense of Denmark noted that Ukrainian pilots are already flying over Denmark's airspace.


Unbelievable. Training pilots and finding surplus planes to send to Ukraine could and should have started in late 2021. Not only is this support too little, too late, it promises to make no improvement in the balance of forces. Russia's superiority in fires and new standoff capability in FAB/KABs give every confidence that Russia can win the war this year. Two and a half years after they intended to win, but an ugly win is still a win.

I hope Europe is ready for 10 million new refugees streaming from the east fleeing genocide.

I disagree.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:19:19 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:22:30 PM EDT
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That one had a new type of initiator.  Dual wires within coils, instead of the old bent coat hangar switch.   Smart.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:23:07 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:23:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

Fair. All the current news has me pessimistic.

The only 'good' news is Ukraine isn't losing as badly as they could be, Russia's armaments production isn't quite as superior as it could be. That's not positive at all on either point. Quibbling over the makeup and balance of Russia's artillery production is the height of cope. Three million shells is still more than the entire west can produce, and three million is still three million. 122mm kills guys just as dead as 152mm. And guided FAB1500 is considerably more destructive than either one. Quibbling over what kind of air defense Russia destroyed is also cope. Loss of air defense is loss of air defense. Every missile that can't be fired at the planes delivering those FABs is a loss of resources that are extremely limited and hard to replace.

In the much larger strategic picture, a NATO that is depleted, diminished, and under recriminations is a NATO that will be unable to effectively respond to an invasion of the Baltics. Arguing that there's no prospect of putting American lives on the line in this conflict ignores secondary and tertiary effects, future effects enabled by actions today. If Europe's defense capacity is ruined by post-cold war cuts combined with aid to Ukraine, only the US will have the ability to save NATO in the Baltics. A direct conflict between US & Russia is something worth not risking. Which means taking a bigger risk on Ukraine today, where their troops can do the fighting if we give them sufficient weapons. If Putin feels emboldened and strong enough relative to NATO to move on the Baltics, there WILL be Americans coming home in boxes.
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
Originally Posted By lorazepam:
It is never too late until the surrender papers are signed.

Fair. All the current news has me pessimistic.

The only 'good' news is Ukraine isn't losing as badly as they could be, Russia's armaments production isn't quite as superior as it could be. That's not positive at all on either point. Quibbling over the makeup and balance of Russia's artillery production is the height of cope. Three million shells is still more than the entire west can produce, and three million is still three million. 122mm kills guys just as dead as 152mm. And guided FAB1500 is considerably more destructive than either one. Quibbling over what kind of air defense Russia destroyed is also cope. Loss of air defense is loss of air defense. Every missile that can't be fired at the planes delivering those FABs is a loss of resources that are extremely limited and hard to replace.

In the much larger strategic picture, a NATO that is depleted, diminished, and under recriminations is a NATO that will be unable to effectively respond to an invasion of the Baltics. Arguing that there's no prospect of putting American lives on the line in this conflict ignores secondary and tertiary effects, future effects enabled by actions today. If Europe's defense capacity is ruined by post-cold war cuts combined with aid to Ukraine, only the US will have the ability to save NATO in the Baltics. A direct conflict between US & Russia is something worth not risking. Which means taking a bigger risk on Ukraine today, where their troops can do the fighting if we give them sufficient weapons. If Putin feels emboldened and strong enough relative to NATO to move on the Baltics, there WILL be Americans coming home in boxes.

European defense capacity is being rejuvenated by the war, not ruined.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:25:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mcantu:

That a long way off to be targeted at that low an altitude
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https://i.imgur.com/5KM1Yhj.jpeg

He never saw it coming.

That a long way off to be targeted at that low an altitude

He wasn’t really that low.  That’s at least 1000’AGL, maybe 1500’.  Probably got a little too high on a JDAM toss and didn’t get back down fast enough.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:28:08 PM EDT
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lol, it is interesting news, but let's wait for more confirmation.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:28:19 PM EDT
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BMD-4M turret.

What a death trap.

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The Russians have always loved to cram in more weapons that can’t hit anything because they don’t invest in the fire control.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:33:52 PM EDT
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It happens everywhere, putting people in power where they have no experience, or unqualified.
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:
https://i.imgur.com/nOJVh0h.jpeg

MAD = German Bundeswehr counter intelligence service.



Un-fucking-believable.



It happens everywhere, putting people in power where they have no experience, or unqualified.

I bet she can't even sing the Soviet National Anthem.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:38:08 PM EDT
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I bet she can't even sing the Soviet National Anthem.
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:
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MAD = German Bundeswehr counter intelligence service.



Un-fucking-believable.



It happens everywhere, putting people in power where they have no experience, or unqualified.

I bet she can't even sing the Soviet National Anthem.


Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:38:29 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:39:19 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:40:03 PM EDT
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cherry pie on the wall

Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:45:03 PM EDT
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WOW.

So a few days ago, the 205th Motorized channel posted for the first time in months.
Today they have this to say-

For some reason it seems to me that the 13th is relatively alive.
I just wrote with errors and about the wrong thing.
Relatively, because sudden death syndrome has become a diagnosis of forensic medicine.

2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣

https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1217


Last post from 13th was at 1100 Ukraine time.
We should know pretty soon,


🇷🇺Colonel General Mikhail Yuryevich Teplinsky, hero of Russia, commander of the Airborne Forces, is alive and well, at work, performing relevant tasks.

Information on Ukrainian resources does not correspond to reality about his death..


https://t.me/rusich_army/13563

Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:45:44 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:47:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Prime:

WOW.

So a few days ago, the 205th Motorized channel posted for the first time in months.
Today they have this to say-

For some reason it seems to me that the 13th is relatively alive.
I just wrote with errors and about the wrong thing.
Relatively, because sudden death syndrome has become a diagnosis of forensic medicine.

2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣

https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1217


Last post from 13th was at 1100 Ukraine time.
We should know pretty soon,

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WOW.

So a few days ago, the 205th Motorized channel posted for the first time in months.
Today they have this to say-

For some reason it seems to me that the 13th is relatively alive.
I just wrote with errors and about the wrong thing.
Relatively, because sudden death syndrome has become a diagnosis of forensic medicine.

2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣

https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1217


Last post from 13th was at 1100 Ukraine time.
We should know pretty soon,




Thanks, "Relatively alive" is an interesting term.
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By a lot of accounts, Teplinsky is actually pretty decent, in that he's less likely to throw away men and material in pointless assaults. That being said, there were some rumors a while ago that he was receiving heavy political pressure to get results around Krynky, and was therefore forced to get more aggressive and lose more soldiers. In any event, killing him would've been a pretty big win.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:50:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:

Thanks, "Relatively alive" is an interesting term.
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Yeah, I don’t know what that means.

This is interesting though.

We have some really bad news. But let’s not give the enemy a reason to rejoice. Let official sources write first. But it’s a fact that everything sucks, really REALLY FUCKED.

https://t.me/vdv_za_chestnost_spravedlivost/1824



According to the Thirteenth, I hope it's a lie. But I can say that this is one of those people whose death both crests and our guardians will rejoice equally. Because it is convenient for Ukrainians to fight with us when everything is built on lies, and the guards only need a daily “hurray”, regardless of what is actually happening there. And suddenly another “Kharkov region” happens - they will again say that this was a brilliant plan.

https://t.me/motopatriot/20389



The wrecked ship on which the control center was supposedly located was right here. In my opinion, it is complete nonsense to set up a control center in such a place.

https://t.me/motopatriot/20390



As for supposedly some Z-publics confirming the death of the Thirteenth, as the crests say, there was no confirmation. Messages also began pouring in in personal messages about the death of Alexander (Sanya, Kerch detachment), but I communicated with him on February 24 and he wrote that he still had a very long time to recover from his injury.

https://t.me/motopatriot/20391

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Yeah, I don’t know what that means.

This is interesting though.

We have some really bad news. But let’s not give the enemy a reason to rejoice. Let official sources write first. But it’s a fact that everything sucks, really REALLY FUCKED.

https://t.me/vdv_za_chestnost_spravedlivost/1824

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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:

Thanks, "Relatively alive" is an interesting term.


Yeah, I don’t know what that means.

This is interesting though.

We have some really bad news. But let’s not give the enemy a reason to rejoice. Let official sources write first. But it’s a fact that everything sucks, really REALLY FUCKED.

https://t.me/vdv_za_chestnost_spravedlivost/1824



That certainly makes me smile, it must be bad coming from Russian sources.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 1:53:33 PM EDT
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lol, this.

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Related but interesting for a different reason.

🔥 Thanks to the pilots for the successful combat work against the enemy control point!
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🇺🇦 Commander of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine


https://t.me/ComAFUA/226



Here is a post from a week ago from the same channel.

March 4, 2024. The occupied Kherson Region.
Hitting an enemy object with a guided aerial bomb.
🔥 Burn in hell, orcs!
Thanks to the pilots ✈️ of the Air Force for successful combat work!
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🇺🇦 Commander of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Lieutenant General Mykola Oleschuk


https://t.me/ComAFUA/221


This suggests the rumors about the replacement of Oleshchuk are true.


Link Posted: 3/11/2024 2:10:59 PM EDT
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cherry pie on the wall

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cherry pie on the wall


Continually surprised at how poor human reactions are compared to the threat.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 2:13:33 PM EDT
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With the removal of Zaluzhny (an opponent of this plan) and the appointment of Syrsky as Commander in Chief, and the growing manpower issues, the rumors in recent weeks about the mobilization of Ukrainian convicts have become a bill, with the first reading being expected to be submitted to the Verkhovna Rada next week. It's looking like the proposal is going to pass, as no parliamentarian has spoken out against it, and in such case there will be a second definitive reading during the spring.

Let's recall that the recruiting pool here is pretty big, though not massive like Russia's was back in fall 2022. Inside the Ukrainian prisons and detention centers, there are currently 26 thousand people, 25 thousand of whom are men. Outside them, however, there are over 50 thousand previously detained men who are exempt from mobilization at the moment. It's stated that there are thousands of inmates, according to the Ministry of Justice, who are patriots and have expressed a desire to join the UAF, but were unable to. It's still not entirely clear, but the measure is supposed to allow not only the possibility of enlisting as volunteers, but also the enrollment in the lists of Territorial Recruitment Centers, and thus the possibility of being mobilized as conscripts (for the ones not detained right now, at least).

Personally, I think this is a good idea. Like it or not, the Ukrainians are having serious manpower issues, and something has to be done. It was a decent idea when the Russians did it as a means to preserve their force structure and alleviate manpower issues post-Kharkiv offensive, and it's a decent idea for the Ukrainians right now. If they lose this war, their state ceases to exist, their language ceases to exist, their culture and history gets erased, their children get brainwashed, and anyone who objects to this gets detained, deported, tortured, killed, etc. This isn't some hypothetical, it's happening right now in occupied territory. Time to pull out all of the stops.
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It happens everywhere, putting people in power where they have no experience, or unqualified.
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MAD = German Bundeswehr counter intelligence service.



Un-fucking-believable.



It happens everywhere, putting people in power where they have no experience, or unqualified.


I know, I'm just mad.

This woke BS kills people.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 2:41:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

International law and the UN charter no longer apply. Russia has established this as a fact. This conflict is a contest of force. Force wins. International law means absolutely nothing. Putin isn't playing by modern rules, he's playing by the law of the jungle.
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QFT we are the only ones playing by  rules.
"Rules?  There are no rules in a knife fight.."
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 2:50:17 PM EDT
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Thanks, "Relatively alive" is an interesting term.
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I would still like to learn whether General Gerasimov is "relatively" alive or "relatively" dead.

I don't think a word or a sighting of him has been recorded since it was rumored that a headquarters he was in had been hit by Himars a couple of months ago.
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Originally Posted By Jaehaerys:
With the removal of Zaluzhny (an opponent of this plan) and the appointment of Syrsky as Commander in Chief, and the growing manpower issues, the rumors in recent weeks about the mobilization of Ukrainian convicts have become a bill, with the first reading being expected to be submitted to the Verkhovna Rada next week. It's looking like the proposal is going to pass, as no parliamentarian has spoken out against it, and in such case there will be a second definitive reading during the spring.

Let's recall that the recruiting pool here is pretty big, though not massive like Russia's was back in fall 2022. Inside the Ukrainian prisons and detention centers, there are currently 26 thousand people, 25 thousand of whom are men. Outside them, however, there are over 50 thousand previously detained men who are exempt from mobilization at the moment. It's stated that there are thousands of inmates, according to the Ministry of Justice, who are patriots and have expressed a desire to join the UAF, but were unable to. It's still not entirely clear, but the measure is supposed to allow not only the possibility of enlisting as volunteers, but also the enrollment in the lists of Territorial Recruitment Centers, and thus the possibility of being mobilized as conscripts (for the ones not detained right now, at least).

Personally, I think this is a good idea. Like it or not, the Ukrainians are having serious manpower issues, and something has to be done. It was a decent idea when the Russians did it as a means to preserve their force structure and alleviate manpower issues post-Kharkiv offensive, and it's a decent idea for the Ukrainians right now. If they lose this war, their state ceases to exist, their language ceases to exist, their culture and history gets erased, their children get brainwashed, and anyone who objects to this gets detained, deported, tortured, killed, etc. This isn't some hypothetical, it's happening right now in occupied territory. Time to pull out all of the stops.
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I agree that this should be a positive for Ukraine, especially if they are able to mostly use those who want to serve in the military... or who at least see it as preferable to serving out their time in prison.

They may not be ideal recruits, but as you point out, Ukraine needs a manpower boost, and quickly.

At the least,  it's worth a try.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 2:58:37 PM EDT
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If at any time of their choosing orcs can send dozens of drones anywhere in Ukraine, how can F-16's and their support systems be protected?

So, a dozen or so arrive in Ukraine "soon" (there's that word again), how do they survive focused orc attacks because you know they're coming.

What would Curtis LeMay do?  (just trying to keep from getting in a funk here)  

Link Posted: 3/11/2024 3:03:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jungatheart:

QFT we are the only ones playing by  rules.
"Rules?  There are no rules in a knife fight.."
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Originally Posted By jungatheart:
Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

International law and the UN charter no longer apply. Russia has established this as a fact. This conflict is a contest of force. Force wins. International law means absolutely nothing. Putin isn't playing by modern rules, he's playing by the law of the jungle.

QFT we are the only ones playing by  rules.
"Rules?  There are no rules in a knife fight.."


and RU is the aggressor and no one objects to NK and Iran helping the aggressor and they cower in fear
that the victim will fight back too hard.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 3:06:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By doc540:
If at any time of their choosing orcs can send dozens of drones anywhere in Ukraine, how can F-16's and their support systems be protected?

So, a dozen or so arrive in Ukraine "soon" (there's that word again), how do they survive focused orc attacks because you know they're coming.

What would Curtis LeMay do?  (just trying to keep from getting in a funk here)  

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Dispersing them like the Ukrainians have done for the Mig-29's has worked so far.  Keep changing their landing and takeoff areas and keep those areas far west of the frontline and under considerable layered air defenses.  The Ukrainian air force said they have been preparing for the F-16's arrival for months, and it is still ongoing.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 3:08:30 PM EDT
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Acceleration of projects for the next war.



Link Posted: 3/11/2024 3:21:43 PM EDT
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Hese drones are being jammed.

Link Posted: 3/11/2024 3:23:40 PM EDT
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Bukhanka with armored cabin.
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Now the war is lost, Ukraine should just surrender.



Link Posted: 3/11/2024 3:24:48 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/11/2024 3:28:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:
https://i.imgur.com/6mja6lP.jpeg




Now the war is lost, Ukraine should just surrender.



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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:
https://i.imgur.com/6mja6lP.jpeg

Bukhanka with armored cabin.



Now the war is lost, Ukraine should just surrender.






lol, are these the latest model for getting to the frontline?
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 3:42:29 PM EDT
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https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1767272477082767421

Russian media publishes a photo of the dead "thirteenth", claiming that he was killed by Kadyrovtsi  
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I mean, it could be fake.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 3:46:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:

https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1767272477082767421




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIac82XW0AA05qu?format=jpg&name=900x900
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Link Posted: 3/11/2024 3:48:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Prime:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:

https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1767272477082767421




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIac82XW0AA05qu?format=jpg&name=900x900






But is he really dead, or just playing games?  Let's see if there is more, this whole thing is weird.



https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1767275519291117959

There's a photo allegedly showing the Russian serviceman "13th" dead. However, it looks edited. The latest photo from his channel shows him having a rather large beard. That's on the second photo (and he's alive there, just in case). I blurred the first one, just in case. I'd definitely wait for more reliable information about this.    


Link Posted: 3/11/2024 3:54:26 PM EDT
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But is he really dead, or just playing games?  Let's see if there is more, this whole thing is weird.
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I think that’s him. He’d gotten pretty squishy recently with an illness and spending a lot of time in what was clearly more warm and dry than forward.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. He was a very likable guy.
But he was also this guy-


Ukrainian syllogism.
The cocaine head writes a video blog every day about how Ukraine is fighting for its freedom.
At the same time, bend your fingers:
- the borders are closed.
- Russian language is actually banned
- forced mobilization
- cancellation of elections
- forced confiscation of property from citizens who are loyal to both Russia and Ukraine
- blocking harmless resources associated with the Russian Federation and Belarus.
- the main source of information is the Ukrainian TV station
- the culture of not only modern Russia, but also past Ukraine is prohibited

According to the main course of the elite, this is the very freedom for which people shed blood. These heads are still blathering that there are no rallies in Russia because our people are “worse than slaves.” Where are your rallies, crests? Are you satisfied with everything? They even took away your commander in chief. Without asking anyone except the US hosts.

They are taking away your territory, and your “partners” are directly saying that they will take away the western regions in the event of a Ukrainian defeat.

Do you know why this happens? Because you don't fucking need anything. Ukraine is a country of stagnation, no, worse, a malignant tumor. You are destroying what you did not build, you are not building anything new, you are not solving anything as a source of power. You feed on the blood and tears of current and former citizens. You are drowning in lies, hatred, and corruption.

Next time the question “why?” the answer will be “because”. Because there is no point in explaining anything to you, the opportunity to even think has been taken away from you.

Have a nice day ☀️


https://t.me/Z13_Separ/26127



The world * lost a patriot today, and let it be a lesson to all of us.
Blindly trust the wrong sources, and suddenly you’re the baddie, despite your own self-assurances to the contrary.

*I’ll amend this to say “probably”
He was wanted in Russia, and maybe he joined the Prigozhin Army on supervillain island.

Link Posted: 3/11/2024 3:57:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:
https://i.imgur.com/6mja6lP.jpeg




Now the war is lost, Ukraine should just surrender.



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Game over man!
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 4:10:55 PM EDT
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40% of the country's budget is burned by war. Countries with a population of 140+ million. Almost everyone will feel sanctions this year.
The greatness that has been achieved over generations has been reduced to zero!
Are you really interested in the 13th?

2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣


https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1219

Link Posted: 3/11/2024 4:11:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Prime:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/IMG_4168-3156372.jpg

Ukrainian syllogism.
The cocaine head writes a video blog every day about how Ukraine is fighting for its freedom.
At the same time, bend your fingers:
- the borders are closed.
- Russian language is actually banned
- forced mobilization
- cancellation of elections
- forced confiscation of property from citizens who are loyal to both Russia and Ukraine
- blocking harmless resources associated with the Russian Federation and Belarus.
- the main source of information is the Ukrainian TV station
- the culture of not only modern Russia, but also past Ukraine is prohibited

According to the main course of the elite, this is the very freedom for which people shed blood. These heads are still blathering that there are no rallies in Russia because our people are “worse than slaves.” Where are your rallies, crests? Are you satisfied with everything? They even took away your commander in chief. Without asking anyone except the US hosts.

They are taking away your territory, and your “partners” are directly saying that they will take away the western regions in the event of a Ukrainian defeat.

Do you know why this happens? Because you don't fucking need anything. Ukraine is a country of stagnation, no, worse, a malignant tumor. You are destroying what you did not build, you are not building anything new, you are not solving anything as a source of power. You feed on the blood and tears of current and former citizens. You are drowning in lies, hatred, and corruption.

Next time the question “why?” the answer will be “because”. Because there is no point in explaining anything to you, the opportunity to even think has been taken away from you.

Have a nice day ☀️


https://t.me/Z13_Separ/26127
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Huh. That guy could be any number of people in GD.
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Thanks. Interesting read.

I'm continually impressed in this thread by the various and varied arcana that is shared by many posters.
Link Posted: 3/11/2024 4:12:22 PM EDT
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Meanwhile, US budget:


Link Posted: 3/11/2024 4:13:43 PM EDT
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Thanks. Interesting read.

I'm continually impressed in this thread by the the various and varied arcana that is shared by many posters.
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Originally Posted By lycurgus:



Thanks. Interesting read.

I'm continually impressed in this thread by the the various and varied arcana that is shared by many posters.


+1 It is what makes it great.
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