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The more recent pictures seems to show newer equipment.
Did they just use the old to get rid of it first? |
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Quoted: Quoted: I'm sure you understand this, but the collection of photos in this thread have almost no correlation to actual losses, one way or the other. Actually, what photos end up in the thread depend entirely upon the search engine and web search skills of the poster. ![]() |
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Quoted: Yes and I'm certain its delivery is performing as intended to demoralize the Russians View Quote Either confiscate their troops cell phones, and take hits in the modern information war. Or let them keep the phones, and take higher casualties from the West collecting real-time location data. And passing it on to Ukraine. |
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View Quote Vehicle recovery. Do they even? |
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Quoted: Vehicle recovery. Do they even? I thought that too. They must have something like our M88 Tank Recovery vehicles. Even another tank can tow a tank. |
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Caption: Kharkiv downtown today… 9:56 AM · Mar 1, 2022
![]() Caption: Today. 20 km from Kyiv downtown. Many dead soldiers from Kemerovo. 4:09 PM · Mar 1, 2022 ![]() Graphic Click To View Spoiler Graphic Click To View Spoiler |
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Caption: Kharkiv today...8:22 AM · Mar 1, 2022
![]() Graphic Click To View Spoiler Caption: Ukrainians are taping looters all around the country to lamp posts and telephone poles using rope and tape. 9:57 AM · Mar 1, 2022 ![]() |
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Why are the Russians not destroying their abandoned equipment? Or booby trapping them? I know they're most likely broken down and non operational but wouldn't it be in their best interest to render them permanently inoperable? Apparently since their not destroying them it indicates there is no "sensitive" technology on them. If there was, for sure we would be low key getting a hold of a few.
Or maybe they did destroy them internally and we just can't see the destruction from the images? |
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Quoted: Why are the Russians not destroying their abandoned equipment? Or booby trapping them? I know they're most likely broken down and non operational but wouldn't it be in their best interest to render them permanently inoperable? Apparently since their not destroying them it indicates there is no "sensitive" technology on them. If there was, for sure we would be low key getting a hold of a few. Or maybe they did destroy them internally and we just can't see the destruction from the images? View Quote Apparently they are leaving them operational, in many cases. Just look at this lol. Probably end up on a Ukrainian used car lot. "It's a peach...the previous owner hardly drove it" ![]() Failed To Load Title |
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Russians point weapons at people
![]() ???????? ???????? ? ????? Ukrainians ready to welcome Russians ![]() ???????? ?????? ???????? ????? ?? ??????. |
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![]() ???????? ????? ????? - ?????! ??? ?????! "Everyone was killed! Corpses are not taken away" ![]() Всіх вбили, а трупи не забирають "Occupiers and murderers": in Melitopol, locals stopped the Russian column ![]() "???????? ? ??????": ? ?????????? ??????? ???????? ????????? ?????? ![]() ????????? ????????? ??????? "??????" Kyiv TV Tower Hit By Deadly Russian Airstrike ![]() Kyiv TV Tower Hit By Deadly Russian Airstrike |
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Quoted: Caption: Kharkiv today...8:22 AM Mar 1, 2022 https://i.postimg.cc/hvDwwJVN/FMx-T1-UEX0-AAyn-YN.jpg Graphic Click To View Spoiler Caption: Ukrainians are taping looters all around the country to lamp posts and telephone poles using rope and tape. 9:57 AM Mar 1, 2022 https://i.postimg.cc/3RSC8WPs/FMxpfo-BXo-AQpjz-L.jpg View Quote |
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Quoted: I don't doubt you're right, but how can you tell? View Quote ![]() Soviet BRDM-2 Armoured Car No 485 at War & Peace Revival |
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Quoted: Those extensions on the rear are where the marker flags go. ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I don't doubt you're right, but how can you tell? ![]() Excellent, very good info. So many different variants. |
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Quoted: No all russian equipment is old and soldiers are b team ![]() I been seeing some harder more modern equipped soldiers recently now as well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The more recent pictures seems to show newer equipment. Did they just use the old to get rid of it first? No all russian equipment is old and soldiers are b team ![]() I been seeing some harder more modern equipped soldiers recently now as well. Also bear in mind LNR and DNR are fighting with the Russian forces and are more like militia with tanks. |
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Quoted: Looks like armor and trucks are not very safe places to be. View Quote You are most likely getting a distorted perspective due to the sampling bias inherent in war photography. Destroyed or abandoned vehicles make for interesting yet “G-rated” pictures. The latter may be important to a professional photographer looking to sell their work to media outlets. Vehicles are harder to evacuate than human casualties and easy for photographers to find after the battle. During and after WWII it was often claimed that crewing a tank was more hazardous than infantry duty because they draw fire. My own infantryman grandfather believed this. Actual casualty figures from the ETO show that US Army infantry were killed at about six times the rate of tankers. |
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Quoted: Caption: : A "Varta" armored personnel carrier was abandoned by the Ukrainian army in Volnovakha and then captured by the LNR forces (Russian allies). Pretty interesting photos, showing vehicle's internals and its overall good condition. 7:00 AM · Mar 2, 2022 https://i.postimg.cc/Gtq1Vzsf/FM2-Kr-BYXw-AIxtx.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/j5tmTPKY/FM2-Krm-CWYAYo-PAB.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/cHF9NzXf/FM2-Ksa-KWYAE7s-Cc.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/1XgH13gZ/FM2-Kut-TWQAAM1-Kb.jpg View Quote I want one |
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Quoted: You are most likely getting a distorted perspective due to the sampling bias inherent in war photography. Destroyed or abandoned vehicles make for interesting yet “G-rated” pictures. The latter may be important to a professional photographer looking to sell their work to media outlets. Vehicles are harder to evacuate than human casualties and easy for photographers to find after the battle. During and after WWII it was often claimed that crewing a tank was more hazardous than infantry duty because they draw fire. My own infantryman grandfather believed this. Actual casualty figures from the ETO show that US Army infantry were killed at about six times the rate of tankers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Looks like armor and trucks are not very safe places to be. You are most likely getting a distorted perspective due to the sampling bias inherent in war photography. Destroyed or abandoned vehicles make for interesting yet “G-rated” pictures. The latter may be important to a professional photographer looking to sell their work to media outlets. Vehicles are harder to evacuate than human casualties and easy for photographers to find after the battle. During and after WWII it was often claimed that crewing a tank was more hazardous than infantry duty because they draw fire. My own infantryman grandfather believed this. Actual casualty figures from the ETO show that US Army infantry were killed at about six times the rate of tankers. You have to admit, though, that if you are dealing with infantry armed with large quantities of high tech AT missiles that defeat any existing armor including ERA, and roving drones capable of destroying armor, the modern tank would seem somewhat obsolete. |
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Quoted: You have to admit, though, that if you are dealing with infantry armed with large quantities of high tech AT missiles that defeat any existing armor including ERA, and roving drones capable of destroying armor, the modern tank is somewhat obsolete. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looks like armor and trucks are not very safe places to be. You are most likely getting a distorted perspective due to the sampling bias inherent in war photography. Destroyed or abandoned vehicles make for interesting yet “G-rated” pictures. The latter may be important to a professional photographer looking to sell their work to media outlets. Vehicles are harder to evacuate than human casualties and easy for photographers to find after the battle. During and after WWII it was often claimed that crewing a tank was more hazardous than infantry duty because they draw fire. My own infantryman grandfather believed this. Actual casualty figures from the ETO show that US Army infantry were killed at about six times the rate of tankers. You have to admit, though, that if you are dealing with infantry armed with large quantities of high tech AT missiles that defeat any existing armor including ERA, and roving drones capable of destroying armor, the modern tank is somewhat obsolete. Maybe, maybe not. In the opening days of the Yom Kippur War reckless, overly confident Israeli tankers took many losses from Egyptian infantry who were lavishly equipped with RPG-7s and AT-3 Sagger missiles. Some observers proclaimed that these weapons had made the tank obsolete. But the Israelis adapted to the threat and the tank remained very much relevant. Infantry anti-armor weapons are nothing new. War is not forgiving of carelessness. It remains to be seen whether the latest generation of anti-armor weapons are true game changers or just another step in the endless game of action and counter-action. |
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Quoted:
Caption: The Russian armies established full control over the Ukrainian city Melitopol within special military operation. https://i.postimg.cc/sDWXMtWM/1775271517-0-190-3071-1917-1920x0-80-0-0-8fe0c05706134a1c08b803cfa0907241.jpg Caption: ????????? ???????. ?????? ????? https://i.postimg.cc/h4sFpMq2/772cfed441def11c05d4dc853e62e717.jpg Caption: ??????????? ??????????????, ???????????? ????? ???????? ??????? (Running this through translation I believe these Russian soldiers are standing by the sign for the village of Staroignatyevka in Eastern Ukraine.) https://i.postimg.cc/KjJdjc56/2934320-900.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/FFyFmjXS/2934154-900.jpg View Quote |
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Quoted: Maybe, maybe not. In the opening days of the Yom Kippur War reckless, overly confident Israeli tankers took many losses from Egyptian infantry who were lavishly equipped with RPG-7s and AT-3 Sagger missiles. Some observers proclaimed that these weapons had made the tank obsolete. But the Israelis adapted to the threat and the tank remained very much relevant. Infantry anti-armor weapons are nothing new. War is not forgiving of carelessness. It remains to be seen whether the latest generation of anti-armor weapons are true game changers or just another step in the endless game of action and counter-action. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looks like armor and trucks are not very safe places to be. You are most likely getting a distorted perspective due to the sampling bias inherent in war photography. Destroyed or abandoned vehicles make for interesting yet “G-rated” pictures. The latter may be important to a professional photographer looking to sell their work to media outlets. Vehicles are harder to evacuate than human casualties and easy for photographers to find after the battle. During and after WWII it was often claimed that crewing a tank was more hazardous than infantry duty because they draw fire. My own infantryman grandfather believed this. Actual casualty figures from the ETO show that US Army infantry were killed at about six times the rate of tankers. You have to admit, though, that if you are dealing with infantry armed with large quantities of high tech AT missiles that defeat any existing armor including ERA, and roving drones capable of destroying armor, the modern tank is somewhat obsolete. Maybe, maybe not. In the opening days of the Yom Kippur War reckless, overly confident Israeli tankers took many losses from Egyptian infantry who were lavishly equipped with RPG-7s and AT-3 Sagger missiles. Some observers proclaimed that these weapons had made the tank obsolete. But the Israelis adapted to the threat and the tank remained very much relevant. Infantry anti-armor weapons are nothing new. War is not forgiving of carelessness. It remains to be seen whether the latest generation of anti-armor weapons are true game changers or just another step in the endless game of action and counter-action. All good points. |
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Very difficult to get a " real" perspective of the losses from the pictures we have access to. If I just looked at what has been coming across you might think the Ukrainians are kicking ass all over the place and have lost very little equipment. Wish we had a better visual from both sides , but its what we got.
On another note I happed to jump on LinkedIn to check out some jobs and the amount of BS on there with this Ukraine deal is staggering. Fake pics, old pics with new captions , and endless virtue signaling. Where were all these folks during the Crimea crisis! |
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Beware the resolve of an armed man
protecting his animals and Country Battlefield Bringbacks Quoted: They have their folks that will not survive their first engagement.. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/300247/evac_png-2293586_jpeg-2293883.JPG View Quote |
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Quoted: One thing I've noticed throughout this thread is that Ukrainian infrantry seem better dressed with better winter gear than Russian infantry. The Russian uniforms and helmets look like carryovers from WWII. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Caption: The Russian armies established full control over the Ukrainian city Melitopol within special military operation. https://i.postimg.cc/sDWXMtWM/1775271517-0-190-3071-1917-1920x0-80-0-0-8fe0c05706134a1c08b803cfa0907241.jpg Caption: ????????? ???????. ?????? ????? https://i.postimg.cc/h4sFpMq2/772cfed441def11c05d4dc853e62e717.jpg Caption: ??????????? ??????????????, ???????????? ????? ???????? ??????? (Running this through translation I believe these Russian soldiers are standing by the sign for the village of Staroignatyevka in Eastern Ukraine.) https://i.postimg.cc/KjJdjc56/2934320-900.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/FFyFmjXS/2934154-900.jpg One thing I've noticed throughout this thread is that Ukrainian infrantry seem better dressed with better winter gear than Russian infantry. The Russian uniforms and helmets look like carryovers from WWII. Some are equipped with older stuff, But most that crossed the border from Russia have the newest ratnik program gear. ![]() Ratnik Infantry loadout - Russian grunts reach the 21st century ![]() ![]() Ratnik (program) Wiki |
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