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Posted: 10/20/2021 3:17:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Things in Hawaii could go the other direction...pouring the available magmatic resources into Loihi Seamount, which is predicted to become the next Island in the chain. There was a big earthquake in the vicinity of Loihi just a few days ago. My superficial reading on the topic indicates that Kilauea and Maura Loa are definitely not done, and will not be for many, many years. MAYBE Hualalai is done, which would be very lucky, but I doubt it. As a side note, the lot that my wife and I are going to build our retirement house on, has an excellent view of Maura Kea, Maura Loa and Hualalai - so if Hualalai starts erupting, we will have an amazing view - from the safety of the slopes of Kohala, a properly extinct and harmless volcano. 
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Posted: 10/20/2021 4:41:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a big earthquake in the vicinity of Loihi just a few days ago. My superficial reading on the topic indicates that Kilauea and Maura Loa are definitely not done, and will not be for many, many years. MAYBE Hualalai is done, which would be very lucky, but I doubt it. As a side note, the lot that my wife and I are going to build our retirement house on, has an excellent view of Maura Kea, Maura Loa and Hualalai - so if Hualalai starts erupting, we will have an amazing view - from the safety of the slopes of Kohala, a properly extinct and harmless volcano. My lady friend wants to go check out La Palma. I've got her convinced (through reading about magmatism, Kimberlite pipes and such) that there's a huge-azzed diamond in the lava stream with her name on it...and all she's gotta do is fish it out somehow. 
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Posted: 10/20/2021 4:46:31 PM EST
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Posted: 10/20/2021 4:57:48 PM EST
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Zoom in on the feed I'm watching shows a huge lava field that's flowing decently.
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Posted: 10/20/2021 7:54:55 PM EST
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Posted: 10/21/2021 9:04:44 AM EST
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Posted: 10/21/2021 9:07:56 AM EST
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Been looking at the seismic and GPS data over the past few days. The report issued yesterday dovetails with my own observations: The eruption has entered a steady state with regards to magma supply, expulsion and deformation of the ridge.
Let's pull some chairs up and watch the show. In all likelihood it isn't going away any time soon. Can imagine it's a PITA for the locals but that's part and parcel of living in |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 9:17:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Been looking at the seismic and GPS data over the past few days. The report issued yesterday dovetails with my own observations: The eruption has entered a steady state with regards to magma supply, expulsion and deformation of the ridge. Let's pull some chairs up and watch the show. In all likelihood it isn't going away any time soon. Can imagine it's a PITA for the locals but that's part and parcel of living in Apologies if you already mentioned it, I've been out of the thread for a week. But do you agree with the theory that the previous eruptions are blocking the magma chamber and that's why the vent is so far north compared to the earthquakes? 
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Posted: 10/21/2021 10:28:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apologies if you already mentioned it, I've been out of the thread for a week. But do you agree with the theory that the previous eruptions are blocking the magma chamber and that's why the vent is so far north compared to the earthquakes? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCDu0QZX0AMQqUY?format=jpg&name=large That, or given the nature of the feeder system (fissures and dikes) it's likely the ejecta finds the path of least resistance and the rest of the fissure cools and hardens without material making its way to the surface. Google "Chief Joseph Dike Swarm" and look at the photos. Now imagine such a setup under Cumbre Vieja. Some of those remained underground; erosion and uplift brought them into view. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:00:08 PM EST
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Sorry I do not know how to hotlink, but the dogs have been rescued. Someone please hotlink for me.
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/21/1048003713/a-team-dogs-rescue-volcano-lava-la-palma-spain |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:19:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry I do not know how to hotlink, but the dogs have been rescued. Someone please hotlink for me. https://www.npr.org/2021/10/21/1048003713/a-team-dogs-rescue-volcano-lava-la-palma-spain 
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:27:17 PM EST
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:33:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry I do not know how to hotlink, but the dogs have been rescued. Someone please hotlink for me. https://www.npr.org/2021/10/21/1048003713/a-team-dogs-rescue-volcano-lava-la-palma-spain Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry I do not know how to hotlink, but the dogs have been rescued. Someone please hotlink for me. https://www.npr.org/2021/10/21/1048003713/a-team-dogs-rescue-volcano-lava-la-palma-spain Mental. Also laughed at the last sentence... Ackbar:"ITS A TRAP" Leales said Thursday that "anonymous animalists" seem to have entered the area and rescued the dogs, citing a video it had received by email as well as footprints that were detected by Aerocamaras' drones. The animal group posted a video to YouTube showing a banner on a wall where one of the dogs was located. The footage opens with the famous opening lines of the 1980s TV show The A Team, describing (in Spanish, in this case) a band of commandos who became soldiers of fortune after being accused of a crime they didn't commit. Footage in the anonymous video was shot by a drone. Leales said it suspects that the unknown rescuers might have used a drone's thermal imaging to determine a relatively "cold" path through the lava field. Leales said the video arrived via a brief email that was also signed by the A Team. The message thanked the group for its work and concluded with the hashtag many locals in La Palma have embraced: #masfuertesqueelvolcan — stronger than the volcano. Aerocamaras said that its drone flights Wednesday had shown the banner where one of the dogs had been, but because the wind had seemingly flipped the large sheet over, the message wasn't visible at first sight. While it seems that the dogs have been carried to safety, Leales said it would like to know who the rescuers are and for them to share proof that the dogs — some of which had been emaciated by their ordeal — are in good condition. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 10:15:37 PM EST
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Damn it's amazing how this thing changes. Just two big cones now and when this front one collapses it's going to be a spectacular lava tsunami.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 10:20:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry I do not know how to hotlink, but the dogs have been rescued. Someone please hotlink for me. https://www.npr.org/2021/10/21/1048003713/a-team-dogs-rescue-volcano-lava-la-palma-spain Those folks shouldn't have to buy beer for a long time. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 10:26:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn it's amazing how this thing changes. Just two big cones now and when this front one collapses it's going to be a spectacular lava tsunami. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/318573/Screenshot_2021-10-21_10_16_31_PM_png-2138882.JPG SO2 levels are a third of what they were yesterday, yet lava output rates are unchanged. Synopsis: Magma is now coming from lower in the upper chamber. Should see an uptick in quake activity as the middle chamber undergoes a recharge cycle and more magma makes its way upward. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 10:29:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SO2 levels are a third of what they were yesterday, yet lava output rates are unchanged. Synopsis: Magma is now coming from lower in the upper chamber. Should see an uptick in quake activity as the middle chamber undergoes a recharge cycle and more magma makes its way upward. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Damn it's amazing how this thing changes. Just two big cones now and when this front one collapses it's going to be a spectacular lava tsunami. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/318573/Screenshot_2021-10-21_10_16_31_PM_png-2138882.JPG SO2 levels are a third of what they were yesterday, yet lava output rates are unchanged. Synopsis: Magma is now coming from lower in the upper chamber. Should see an uptick in quake activity as the middle chamber undergoes a recharge cycle and more magma makes its way upward. 4.2 mg at 3.3 km depth not too long ago |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 10:30:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SO2 levels are a third of what they were yesterday, yet lava output rates are unchanged. Synopsis: Magma is now coming from lower in the upper chamber. Should see an uptick in quake activity as the middle chamber undergoes a recharge cycle and more magma makes its way upward. So is this a good or bad thing? |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 10:32:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So is this a good or bad thing? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: SO2 levels are a third of what they were yesterday, yet lava output rates are unchanged. Synopsis: Magma is now coming from lower in the upper chamber. Should see an uptick in quake activity as the middle chamber undergoes a recharge cycle and more magma makes its way upward. So is this a good or bad thing? I think its the next step to more of the same type of thing. Could be wrong though. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 4:58:40 AM EST
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Posted: 10/22/2021 6:09:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think its the next step to more of the same type of thing. Could be wrong though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: SO2 levels are a third of what they were yesterday, yet lava output rates are unchanged. Synopsis: Magma is now coming from lower in the upper chamber. Should see an uptick in quake activity as the middle chamber undergoes a recharge cycle and more magma makes its way upward. So is this a good or bad thing? I think its the next step to more of the same type of thing. Could be wrong though. It's a Business As Usual Thing with this particular volcanic system. The current generation of volcanologists (a lot of whom possibly weren't alive the last time it erupted) get to record many data points on initiation, maintenance and eventually, cessation. These will go into a database that will help predict future events. As long as you have sufficient plume material flow into the lower areas of the Cumbre Vieja magmatic system it'll keep erupting. That's the characteristic of a hot spot volcano - Kilauea being another example. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 6:33:02 AM EST
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No discussion on volcanism and gas analysis would be complete without a mention of
Dr. David Johnston He helped pave the way for scientists to correlate pre-eruptive indicators such as gas discharge and quake swarms to actual events. Most of his graduate work was spent studying the same types of eruptions that (unfortunately) killed him. From reading about the gent, I think I'd be diametrically opposed to his social and political stances but he's among my Top Ten I'd like to drink a beer with and compare notes...if there were time machines. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 7:21:52 AM EST
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On the western side of the Cumbre Vieja are three GPS monitors.
See La Palma link Station LP03 (closest to the ongoing eruption) is showing signs of deflation, while LP04 (to its south) shows a slight inflation trend. This is where gas data would prove valuable...is the trend simply a rebound due to relaxed stresses on the slopes - or is magma moving in a different direction now, with the potential to open new vents further south? |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 9:35:19 AM EST
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Glad they got those pups out of there.
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Posted: 10/22/2021 10:00:34 AM EST
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Posted: 10/22/2021 10:06:28 AM EST
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Posted: 10/22/2021 10:10:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryI honestly don't see the problem. If people are informed about the risk, and understand that rescuers will not risk their lives in they get in over their heads - who cares? If they die, they die. If they do not, nobody else was endangered. People need to chill. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 1:48:16 PM EST
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Let me say first of all that I've heard the stories of a "slab of land sliding into the ocean causing a tsunami on the US East Coast" have been fairly well debunked.
This, however, would not make me rest easy. Word Directly from LaPalma: Steam Coming out of ground on other side of island; near constant earthquakes. We're frightened One resident writes "We are on the other side of the island from the volcano and steam is coming out of the ground here! Areas of ground are showing 8+ inches of lift, earth quakes are minutes apart, over 110 since midnight, never ending low shaking. For the first time, we're frightened." Clearly the situation on LaPalma is worsening. People on the U.S. east coast are URGED to pay close attention to developments there, because if things go to their worst, a slab of unstable land, the size of Manhattan Island New York City, is already slipping off the southwest flank of this island, and may slide into the Atlantic Ocean. If that happens, a Tsunami will be generated that scientists say can hit the US east coast seven to eight hours later, with 30 meter to 50 meter waves crashing ashore. Those would be waves about 100-164 FEET tall! They would wipe out most of the major cities on the US east coast, and smash the United States economy back to almost the Stone Age, for decades. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) did a study on this potential disaster and their study asserts they can expect sixty-five MILLION dead from such an event. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 3:02:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me say first of all that I've heard the stories of a "slab of land sliding into the ocean causing a tsunami on the US East Coast" have been fairly well debunked. This, however, would not make me rest easy. Word Directly from LaPalma: Steam Coming out of ground on other side of island; near constant earthquakes. We're frightened Not bueno.  That higher peak emitting steam sounds like a very bad sign that shit is about to go down hill there and possibly in a major way!
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Posted: 10/22/2021 3:40:36 PM EST
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Breathing that ash and pumice must be a bitch. We had bad forest fires here last year and it was pretty nasty. Couple of years ago, visited craters of the moon national park and climbed the cinder cone. After breathing all that pumice, had a sore throat and was coughing for days afterwards. Would be pretty rough to go through that on a daily basis.
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Posted: 10/22/2021 3:44:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me say first of all that I've heard the stories of a "slab of land sliding into the ocean causing a tsunami on the US East Coast" have been fairly well debunked. This, however, would not make me rest easy. Word Directly from LaPalma: Steam Coming out of ground on other side of island; near constant earthquakes. We're frightened First, consider the source. A little Googling of Hal Turner will prove...insightful. Second: See my earlier post regarding LP03 and LP04. They're the only stations showing any sort of vertical deformation and I've been checking them all frequently. Lastly: None of the sites like IGN are showing increased seismicity. If anything it's trending slightly downward. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 3:46:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First, consider the source. A little Googling of Hal Turner will prove...insightful. Second: See my earlier post regarding LP03 and LP04. They're the only stations showing any sort of vertical deformation and I've been checking them all frequently. Lastly: None of the sites like IGN are showing increased seismicity. If anything it's trending slightly downward. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Let me say first of all that I've heard the stories of a "slab of land sliding into the ocean causing a tsunami on the US East Coast" have been fairly well debunked. This, however, would not make me rest easy. Word Directly from LaPalma: Steam Coming out of ground on other side of island; near constant earthquakes. We're frightened First, consider the source. A little Googling of Hal Turner will prove...insightful. Second: See my earlier post regarding LP03 and LP04. They're the only stations showing any sort of vertical deformation and I've been checking them all frequently. Lastly: None of the sites like IGN are showing increased seismicity. If anything it's trending slightly downward. Yeah, I never heard of Hal Turner until recently. I've been following the La Palma volcano mostly on YouTube. Bushcraft Bear has some pretty decent on-site videos. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 4:09:40 PM EST
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I don't think IGN's quake graphics are updated in real time to show the last 12h but such data would prove useful.
There's a noticeable inflation trend for the ridge just south of the current vent complex, while that area has been deflating a bit. Need gas data from the ground to verify what I suspect is going to happen next. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 4:15:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I never heard of Hal Turner until recently. I've been following the La Palma volcano mostly on YouTube. Bushcraft Bear has some pretty decent on-site videos. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let me say first of all that I've heard the stories of a "slab of land sliding into the ocean causing a tsunami on the US East Coast" have been fairly well debunked. This, however, would not make me rest easy. Word Directly from LaPalma: Steam Coming out of ground on other side of island; near constant earthquakes. We're frightened First, consider the source. A little Googling of Hal Turner will prove...insightful. Second: See my earlier post regarding LP03 and LP04. They're the only stations showing any sort of vertical deformation and I've been checking them all frequently. Lastly: None of the sites like IGN are showing increased seismicity. If anything it's trending slightly downward. Yeah, I never heard of Hal Turner until recently. I've been following the La Palma volcano mostly on YouTube. Bushcraft Bear has some pretty decent on-site videos. The Hal Turner stuff is total bullshit. 
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Posted: 10/22/2021 4:21:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a big earthquake in the vicinity of Loihi just a few days ago. My superficial reading on the topic indicates that Kilauea and Maura Loa are definitely not done, and will not be for many, many years. MAYBE Hualalai is done, which would be very lucky, but I doubt it. As a side note, the lot that my wife and I are going to build our retirement house on, has an excellent view of Maura Kea, Maura Loa and Hualalai - so if Hualalai starts erupting, we will have an amazing view - from the safety of the slopes of Kohala, a properly extinct and harmless volcano. Don’t tell Pele about where you’re building…. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 9:41:52 PM EST
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Posted: 10/23/2021 12:25:39 AM EST
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Getting super violent and looks like that huge cone is about to give way or be overtopped.
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Posted: 10/23/2021 7:08:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Getting super violent and looks like that huge cone is about to give way or be overtopped. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/318573/Screenshot_2021-10-23_12_26_44_AM_png-2140233.JPG You see the SO2 levels in that screen cap? |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 7:31:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryThe dude with that house has one hell of a leaf blower. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:06:54 AM EST
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:12:26 AM EST
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:32:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You see the SO2 levels in that screen cap? I'm not a geologist or scientist so no and I don't know the meaning when it comes to volcanic activity. All I know is I was watching huge gigantic plooms of lava shooting hundreds of feet into the air from 3 different large vents with the front one close to collapse so feel free to explain. By 3am dark black smoke and or clouds were starting to obscure vision so I don't know if it ever collapsed or not over night. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:35:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You see the SO2 levels in that screen cap? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Getting super violent and looks like that huge cone is about to give way or be overtopped. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/318573/Screenshot_2021-10-23_12_26_44_AM_png-2140233.JPG You see the SO2 levels in that screen cap? That’s the highest level I’ve seen so far. What does that indicate? A couple days ago it was down to a few thousand tons. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:35:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Getting super violent and looks like that huge cone is about to give way or be overtopped. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/318573/Screenshot_2021-10-23_12_26_44_AM_png-2140233.JPG While I was watching last night a small notch in the left side of the cone was getting pretty quickly eroded by all the blasts. Kept waiting for it dump out the side but I fell asleep. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:35:44 AM EST
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:37:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not a geologist or scientist so no and I don't know the meaning when it comes to volcanic activity. All I know is I was watching huge gigantic plooms of lava shooting hundreds of feet into the air from 3 different large vents with the front one close to collapse so feel free to explain. By 3am dark black smoke and or clouds were starting to obscure vision so I don't know if it ever collapsed or not over night. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You see the SO2 levels in that screen cap? I'm not a geologist or scientist so no and I don't know the meaning when it comes to volcanic activity. All I know is I was watching huge gigantic plooms of lava shooting hundreds of feet into the air from 3 different large vents with the front one close to collapse so feel free to explain. By 3am dark black smoke and or clouds were starting to obscure vision so I don't know if it ever collapsed or not over night. The front vent did…something overnight. It is a different shape. Also looks like either tons of hot debris from overnight or a new vent opening down and to the right a bit of the front vent. Night will tell a better story. 
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:40:04 AM EST
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Max temperature at an a'a lava front, measured so far: 1150ºC and 1004ºC.
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:46:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Max temperature at an a'a lava front, measured so far: 1150ºC and 1004ºC. I wonder how far away from this thing you can feel the heat from the blast alone? Like standing away from a campfire. Hard to know now with all the hot lava all around. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:51:46 AM EST
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 La Palma main volcano core spectacularly collapses La Palma main volcano core has spectacularly collapsed, causing the secondary core to spew out streams of lava. The latest news coming out of La Palma is disturbing as the volcano enters its 34th day of activity on Saturday. The Volcanological Institute of the Canary Islands has reported a partial collapse of the main core of the La Palma volcano. At the same time, the National Geographic Institute (IGN) reported that the secondary core has suffered several lava overflows in the last hours. Today's earthquake map -  EMSC Earthquake map today – ‘these are not natural earthquakes happening in La Palma.’  https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/10/23/la-palma-main-volcano-core-spectacularly-collapses/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:03:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Hal Turner stuff is total bullshit. ALL of it, or just the stuff people don't want to believe? |
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