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Posted: 6/17/2021 1:55:14 PM EDT
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When is the next Heavy launch?
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Posted: 6/17/2021 1:59:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hdhogman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: Did anyone notice the vapor shock cloud around Max Q? T+00:01:03 Yes, a launch or two ago the conditions were just right an the LV 'disappeared' for a split second! I'm not the only member who'd thought that he'd witnessed a R.U.D. I Jumped in my chair. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:00:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: I wonder if they are deliberately coming in at even more of an angle than they used to .. additional safety maybe? I noticed last time that it seemed like they were further out to the side of the drone ship (at a lower altitude than I remember). So it could be the result of a slightly changed procedure maybe? Of course, the camera footage from the core is usually not that good, so it could be my imagination.  Last 2 landings now have shown some pretty aggressive grid fin activity , like full deflection activity. Something's up with that. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:06:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: Was that a piece of space junk that flew by at 28:52? That looked awfully close There was a good explanation about that in this thread before, it's happened several times. I'm not sure if it was a piece of ice but I believe that it came from the booster. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 5:40:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gtsteve03: LOL at the open mic  What did I miss with this? |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/17/2021 7:59:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blue_Devil_JD: When is the next Heavy launch? Possibly October 2021. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/19/2021 9:32:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AmericanPeople]
[#7]
Here is some information on payloads on the upcoming Transporter 2 launch
Who’s onboard SXRS-5 (SpaceX Transporter-2)? I am seeing conflicting launch times. The first stage may return to land instead of a drone ship recovery. Info on the Sherpa OTV I have not found a picture of the payloads ready to go or an animation of the deployment sequence. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/20/2021 11:37:04 PM EDT
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Here is a graphic of the hazard zones for the upcoming Transporter 2 launch. The zone to the east of Miami could be for the first stage but one source suggested that it may land near the launch site.
The zone closer to Cuba may be the fairing. Note that there must be a dogleg maneuver probably by the second stage that changes the inclination closer to 97 degrees (sun synchronous).  |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 12:16:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ASUsax]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Last 2 landings now have shown some pretty aggressive grid fin activity , like full deflection activity. Something's up with that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: I wonder if they are deliberately coming in at even more of an angle than they used to .. additional safety maybe? I noticed last time that it seemed like they were further out to the side of the drone ship (at a lower altitude than I remember). So it could be the result of a slightly changed procedure maybe? Of course, the camera footage from the core is usually not that good, so it could be my imagination. Last 2 landings now have shown some pretty aggressive grid fin activity , like full deflection activity. Something's up with that. There should be a fairly substantial difference in the landing profile depending on the mass they're launching and what orbit it's going to. A heavy payload to a high orbit likely has the booster doing more work - getting higher and/or faster than a light payload to a light orbit. SXM-8 shows (in Wikipedia) as a 15K satellite to GTO. Wikipedia would also tell you that a Falcon 9 can only push 12k to GTO without expending the core, so clearly they're doing something there to get SXM-8 all the way up. The point is, that one was almost certainly near the edge of the recovery envelope and probably came in pretty hot. GPSIII-05 was a 9600# satellite to MEO. The GPS constellation is at 12,500 miles, so it's pretty high. GPSIII-02 went up on a Delta IV (all the others were on F9's), but the DIV needed 2 strap on boosters to make it, and the RL-10's on the DeltaIV upper stage should be more efficient than the F9's upper stage at getting the satellite into that high an orbit. (The RL-10, while lower thrust than the Merlin, is VERY efficient, with a higher Specific Impulse than the Merlin. That should really help to launches above LEO.) To get to that orbit, they should again have to go steep (DIV would likely go steep because of the low thrust of the RL-10) or fast to let the second stage get to that high orbit. My point is that we're so used to watching Starlink or Dragon Launches - which are both pretty easy for F9 - that we forget that sometimes they're launching something a little more kinematic. I'd bet that if you looked at SXM-7* or a previous GPSIII launch, they would have been similar to the last 2. Transporter 2 is an odd one, too, because it's going to Sun-Synchronous orbit. But it's smallsat rideshare - they've probably got that booster right in the middle of it's comfortable performance range, especially if it's returning to the Cape from that launch angle. It would need some performance available to do that. *-ETA:I looked up SXM-7. They launched it into a highly elliptical orbit and the satellite used it's thrusters or a kicker to get to it's final orbit in GEO. So that's the something I alluded to above. That was probably cheaper than expending a F9 core, which could do it without any tricks. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/21/2021 8:14:09 AM EDT
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Initial GPS 3-05 orbit was 394 x 20174 km.
Initial SXM-8 orbit was 235 x 19380 km, 26.5 degree inclination. |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 8:48:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ASUsax: There should be a fairly substantial difference in the landing profile depending on the mass they're launching and what orbit it's going to. A heavy payload to a high orbit likely has the booster doing more work - getting higher and/or faster than a light payload to a light orbit. SXM-8 shows (in Wikipedia) as a 15K satellite to GTO. Wikipedia would also tell you that a Falcon 9 can only push 12k to GTO without expending the core, so clearly they're doing something there to get SXM-8 all the way up. The point is, that one was almost certainly near the edge of the recovery envelope and probably came in pretty hot. GPSIII-05 was a 9600# satellite to MEO. The GPS constellation is at 12,500 miles, so it's pretty high. GPSIII-02 went up on a Delta IV (all the others were on F9's), but the DIV needed 2 strap on boosters to make it, and the RL-10's on the DeltaIV upper stage should be more efficient than the F9's upper stage at getting the satellite into that high an orbit. (The RL-10, while lower thrust than the Merlin, is VERY efficient, with a higher Specific Impulse than the Merlin. That should really help to launches above LEO.) To get to that orbit, they should again have to go steep (DIV would likely go steep because of the low thrust of the RL-10) or fast to let the second stage get to that high orbit. My point is that we're so used to watching Starlink or Dragon Launches - which are both pretty easy for F9 - that we forget that sometimes they're launching something a little more kinematic. I'd bet that if you looked at SXM-7* or a previous GPSIII launch, they would have been similar to the last 2. Transporter 2 is an odd one, too, because it's going to Sun-Synchronous orbit. But it's smallsat rideshare - they've probably got that booster right in the middle of it's comfortable performance range, especially if it's returning to the Cape from that launch angle. It would need some performance available to do that. *-ETA:I looked up SXM-7. They launched it into a highly elliptical orbit and the satellite used it's thrusters or a kicker to get to it's final orbit in GEO. So that's the something I alluded to above. That was probably cheaper than expending a F9 core, which could do it without any tricks. Thanks for that , very good insight. The RTLS should be quite spectacular with the booster following the coast line from the South , I hope it's clear !!! |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/21/2021 6:40:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AmericanPeople]
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SpaceX drone ship Of Course I Still Love You arrives at Panama Canal
"Ten days and one unexpected detour after SpaceX drone ship Of Course I Still Love You (OCISLY) departed Port Canaveral, Florida for what could be the last time ever, the ship has arrived at the Panama Canal. The five thousand mile (~8000 km) journey began almost exactly on June 10th and saw drone ship OCISLY towed to the Bahamas – an unanticipated development. Unlike drone ship sibling Just Read The Instructions (JRTI), which made the same journey in reverse about a year and a half ago, OCISLY was loaded onto the deck of large semi-submersible transport ship known as Mighty Servant 1 (MS1). Normally used to transporting entire ships and oil and gas equipment weighing tens of thousands of tons, a SpaceX drone ship – while still huge – is a featherweight load in comparison."  Source: SpaceXFleet.com |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 7:44:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/21/2021 11:08:19 PM EDT
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cool infographic
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Posted: 6/23/2021 9:59:37 AM EDT
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3rd droneship coming soon
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Posted: 6/24/2021 8:00:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Chokey]
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https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:367731/zoom:10 https://multimedia.panama-canal.com/Webcams/gatun.html https://multimedia.panama-canal.com/Webcams/aguaclara.html |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2021 9:19:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AmericanPeople]
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1) Background info: Source
"A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch the Transporter 2 mission, a rideshare flight to a sun-synchronous orbit with numerous small microsatellites and nanosatellites for commercial and government customers." 2) Launch window: 2:56 - 3:54 PM EDT (30 June 2021). Launch time 3:31 PM EDT 3) Launch Site: SLC-40, Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, Florida 4) Webcast viewing options: a. SpaceX webcast (Starts about 15 minutes before liftoff) b. You Tube  Transporter-2 Mission 5) Launch preparations: a. Hazard zones: b. Boats heading out c. Ready to launch (SpaceX photo): d. Payload deployment (notional)  An artist rendering of Transporter-2 payload deployment. (Exolaunch) 6) First stage return/disposal: RTLS to Landing Zone 1 7) Mission press kit: Now online here 8) Launch to deployment events/timeline: Hours:Minutes:Seconds after lift-off 00:02:15 1st stage main engine cutoff (MECO) 00:02:18 1st and 2nd stages separate 00:02:26 2nd stage engine starts 00:02:32 Boostback burn begins 00:03:42 Fairing deployment 00:06:34 1st stage entry burn begins 00:08:24 2nd stage engine cutoff (SECO) 00:08:24 1st stage landing 00:54:13 2nd stage engine restarts 00:54:15 2nd stage engine cutoff (SECO-2) 00:57:50 NASA's PACE-1 deploys 00:57:57 Satellogic's NewSat-19 deploys 00:58:04 The 1st ICEYE satellite deploys from EXOPort-5 00:58:32 NASA's TROPICS Pathfinder deploys 00:58:37 PlanetiQ's GNOMES-2 deploys 00:58:44 Tyvak-0173 deploys 00:59:47 The 2nd ICEYE satellite deploys from EXOPort-3 01:00:00 Tyvak-0211 deploys 01:00:08 Loft Orbital’s YAM-3 deploys from EXOPort-5 01:00:18 TU Berlin’s TUBIN deploys from EXOPort-4 01:00:23 UmbraSAR deploys 01:00:33 D-Orbit's ION satellite carrier deploys 01:01:50 Space Development Agency/General Atomics/Peraton's LINCS-2 deploys 01:02:16 Satellogic's NewSat-20 deploys 01:02:30 Satellogic's NewSat-21 deploys 01:02:40 Capella SAR satellite deploys 01:02:46 The 3rd ICEYE satellite deploys from EXOPort-4 01:04:12 Space Development Agency/General Atomics/Peraton's LINCS-1 deploys 01:04:29 DARPA/Space Development Agency/Air Force Research Laboratory's Mandrake-2 Able deploys 01:05:33 The 4th ICEYE satellite deploys from EXOPort-3 01:06:48 Swarm’s 1st SpaceBEE cluster deploys from EXOPort-4 01:07:10 Swarm’s 2nd SpaceBEE cluster deploys from EXOPort-4 01:07:17 NanoAvionics’ D2/AtlaCom-1 deploys from EXOPort-3 01:07:24 Spire’s LEMUR number 1 deploys from EXOPort-3 01:07:47 Satellogic's NewSat-22 deploys 01:07:56 Loft Orbital's YAM-2 deploys 01:09:51 Spires’s LEMUR number 2 deploys from EXOPort-3 01:09:58 DARPA/Space Development Agency/Air Force Research Laboratory's Mandrake-2 Baker deploys 01:21:10 Spaceflight Inc.'s Sherpa-FX2 deploys 01:21:14 Spaceflight Inc.'s Sherpa-LTE1 deploys 01:27:35 Starlink satellites deploy |
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Posted: 6/24/2021 9:39:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/25/2021 11:32:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/25/2021 11:37:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Chokey]
[#20]
OCISLY made it's way thru the first set of locks
  
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Posted: 6/26/2021 7:43:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Dagger41]
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Good pics Chokey , got a few screen shots watching it go through yesterday.
 Attached File[img]https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/279984/Screenshot__6__png-1991677.JPG" /> And I can't seem to post them up. Bummer. |
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Posted: 6/26/2021 7:46:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Gage]
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Awesome
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Posted: 6/26/2021 7:51:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: David0858]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: OCISLY made it's way thru the first set of locks https://i.imgur.com/Z5lqGdb.gif https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4vXyKAXEAU0Qcc?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4vVGTtXEAAYRwr?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 It looks like they consistently land slightly off center to one place. That must be on purpose and not just messing the center by a little. |
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Posted: 6/26/2021 8:22:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David0858: It looks like they consistently land slightly off center to one place. That must be on purpose and not just messing the center by a little. I've noticed that on the last few landings as well. Always seems to be to the right of the camera. |
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Posted: 6/26/2021 3:22:54 PM EDT
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Got a coworker that is at Disney with his family, what would be a good spot for them to watch it from?
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Posted: 6/26/2021 3:29:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smokie: Got a coworker that is at Disney with his family, what would be a good spot for them to watch it from? Port Canaveral. Cocoa beach will be a good spot too , the rocket will be heading South along the beach. Boost back and return will be spectacular. Check the weather. Straight East on 528 , about 50 miles from Disney. |
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Posted: 6/26/2021 3:37:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Port Canaveral. Cocoa beach will be a good spot too , the rocket will be heading South along the beach. Boost back and return will be spectacular. Check the weather. Straight East on 528 , about 50 miles from Disney. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Originally Posted By smokie: Got a coworker that is at Disney with his family, what would be a good spot for them to watch it from? Port Canaveral. Cocoa beach will be a good spot too , the rocket will be heading South along the beach. Boost back and return will be spectacular. Check the weather. Straight East on 528 , about 50 miles from Disney. |
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Posted: 6/26/2021 3:40:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Neotopiaman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David0858: It looks like they consistently land slightly off center to one place. That must be on purpose and not just messing the center by a little. They could be aiming slightly upwind in case of a last-second gust I'd guess. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/28/2021 1:03:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smokie: Awesome, thanks! I'll pass this along to him, he is excited to see it. I guess launch time will be determined in a day or so? Assume close to 2:56 PM EDT but await the official announcement. |
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Posted: 6/28/2021 12:00:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hdhogman]
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"Happy 50th Birthday Elon".
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Posted: 6/28/2021 12:15:46 PM EDT
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2021 1:23:15 PM EDT
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Finally updated the launch/deployment timeline.
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Posted: 6/29/2021 1:31:28 PM EDT
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About 90% OVC right now , humidity is high.
Some small thunderstorms in the area but I have not heard any rumbles. https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/conus_band.php?sat=G16&band=GEOCOLOR&length=24 |
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Posted: 6/29/2021 2:44:05 PM EDT
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2021 2:55:44 PM EDT
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Eight launch for this booster.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2021 2:56:43 PM EDT
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Range is No go
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Posted: 6/29/2021 2:56:52 PM EDT
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HOLD, range is no go
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Posted: 6/29/2021 2:57:01 PM EDT
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Shit.
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Posted: 6/29/2021 2:58:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2021 2:58:29 PM EDT
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I hope its not some idiot in a boat again...
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Posted: 6/29/2021 2:58:52 PM EDT
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Scrub.
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Posted: 6/29/2021 2:58:58 PM EDT
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Bummer
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Posted: 6/29/2021 2:59:15 PM EDT
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Done for the day. Might have been a small plane in the area.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2021 2:59:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Scrub. Interesting. The launch window is almost one hour long. |
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Posted: 6/29/2021 3:00:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fettesbrotde: I hope its not some idiot in a boat again... It's weather. |
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Posted: 6/29/2021 3:00:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: Interesting. The launch window is almost one hour long. Weather is building up fast. |
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Posted: 6/29/2021 3:01:49 PM EDT
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Damn. Well, better safe than sorry.
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Posted: 6/29/2021 3:04:44 PM EDT
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"Interloping Aircraft" now being blamed.
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Posted: 6/29/2021 3:06:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: "Interloping Aircraft" now being blamed. I wonder if it was this one downrange near the fairing recovery https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a3c2a9 |
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Posted: 6/29/2021 3:08:22 PM EDT
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