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Posted: 5/4/2021 3:42:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RiverSwine45: About 15 minutes ago one of the F-104's went screaming across the center. I wonder if Elon bought some ride time from StarFighters to chase this one out of here. N992SF 
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Posted: 5/4/2021 3:49:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigPony: Another perfect F9 Launch! That may have been the ninth launch/landing of that first stage. |
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Posted: 5/4/2021 4:00:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JestersRevenge: N992SF https://www.spaceflightinsider.com/wp-content/gallery/ccafs/ksc-ccafs-jason-rhian-16469.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JestersRevenge: Originally Posted By RiverSwine45: About 15 minutes ago one of the F-104's went screaming across the center. I wonder if Elon bought some ride time from StarFighters to chase this one out of here. N992SF https://www.spaceflightinsider.com/wp-content/gallery/ccafs/ksc-ccafs-jason-rhian-16469.JPG I get to out there on occasion  to do some stuff with the hueys.
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Posted: 5/4/2021 5:31:19 PM EST
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 Nine Times |
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Posted: 5/4/2021 6:57:16 PM EST
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If you want to see the 60 satellites close together go to Heavens-above.com.
In the upper right change the location to one close to you then in the upper left select "predictions for your location " Starlink L25 launch planned for May 4th at 19:01 UTC Check below for predictions for your location I would use binoculars unless it is a high elevation pass. Look at least a minute early and scan a few degrees (~5) perpendicular to the path. They may be faint...or bright. |
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Posted: 5/4/2021 7:09:38 PM EST
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1049-9
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Posted: 5/4/2021 9:29:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: 1049-9 https://spartansinnovatedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/giphy-downsized.gif Funny thing is that the first stage landed closer to dead center than his arrow did. |
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Posted: 5/4/2021 10:03:54 PM EST
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Is there complete, unbroken video of the booster landing available anywhere?
Something that doesn't have a OCISLY test pattern thrown up just when things get interesting? |
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Posted: 5/4/2021 11:47:02 PM EST
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Interesting, browsing this board everyone is right leaning and supports Space X, Space battle forum is left winging and supports Space X so I guess Elon enjoys watching either competing who can deep throat him the farthest. But I have some criticism regarding his statements to Mars or any deep space travels
Demonstrate that they can send a 100-150 ton payload to Mars, which I suppose is the weight estimates of the starship. ITS tankers I have looked at (he proposes 5 for interplanetary mission) weigh 380 tonnes, interplanetary spaceship with cargo and passengers is estimated at 450 tonnes per trip to Mars. The only time I remember such heavy weight proposals was by the UR-900 to UR-700 rockets which have been cancelled by the Soviets. So if this does turn out successful than congrats for their company on setting new world records of heavy payload launches to space that surpass Saturn V, but a successful Mars mission is another story. Demonstrate that orbital refueling works which of course we have yet to see. I believe there are 4 tankers required for the Mars mission shown in the image I have looked at and they have to do some kind of maneuver with the starship which of course we have to see a demonstration that this works. Land I suppose a 100-150 ton object into Mars and NASA has had great difficulty trying to land at least a 1 ton rover. Space X has to demonstrate this. Musk has presented heat tiles with temperatures of 1560 kelvin in his tweet video regarding a re-entry profile, while Berkeley labs has said the re-entry heat load to Mars is 4000 degrees Fahrenheit. re-entry heat loads for earth are even higher. So is he making it sound like he is expecting that these tiles can survive the wear and tear of entering either Mars or earth without the whole crew dying? |
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Posted: 5/4/2021 11:49:08 PM EST
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The stainless steel he presented is 310S which corrodes at 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit and melts at 2,400 degrees Fahrenheit.
Has presented a cooling method to blood rocket fuel from tiny holes of rocket ship. Microscopic pores however can be easily clogged especially entering Mars. He is going to use solar cells to power a plant to harness Martian subsurface ice, electrolyte it into H2 and O2, then liquefy and store it as rocket fuels. We have frozen water at our planets poles and to my knowledge, no-one makes rocket fuel this way or has even proposed that so that is another hurdle. So before he goes stakes the lives of his crew, I would recommend him demonstrating a group of people in astronaut suits doing this on earth and how long it takes to have the supposed required amount of fuel before leaving Mars atmosphere back to Earth. Russians have said a trip to Mars they would need a spaceship with several meters of lead or create some better radiation absorbing material that weighs less than lead. Space X has yet to demonstrate that, suits that can demonstrate that. Says 115 days to Mars on average, than once the crew lands I wonder how long it will take them to go mine in Mars before returning to earth with said amount of time. What is the cost of all of this? and what is the failure rate before making such an investment on Space X? Made early predictions before of set manned mars dates but none have seen promising. Meaning if you keep having set dates and they keep getting passed you will just be losing the general publics interest other than just chucking rockets to keep them entertained. Last but not least this might count as a few points than a single point.  Thunderf00t HUMILIATED by Mars Helicopter Success! Start video at 10:00 Musk proposed solar powered space craft in Jupiter which based on power efficiency is horrible. Than shown his astronauts getting off to Europa which is on the worst side of Jupiter's Van Allen belts stating they will be just fine. |
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Posted: 5/4/2021 11:50:02 PM EST
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Should I just ignore the guy and focus on the company's achievements instead? He is no different than trampoline man Rogozin, so do people here worship the company more or the guy instead?
https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/nuclear-propulsion-could-help-get-humans-to-mars-faster https://spacenews.com/general-atomics-wins-darpa-contract-to-design-nuclear-reactor-to-power-missions-to-the-moon/ https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/russian-nuclear-propulsion-spacecraft-nuklon.35350/ Is space X going to hire scientists that work on nuclear propulsion any time soon? For some reason my confidence is dying a little that they still want to go chemical while NASA, DARPA and keldysh center have different approaches for deep space travel which all seem to be go nuclear. |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 12:03:53 AM EST
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Welcome!
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Posted: 5/5/2021 5:42:44 AM EST
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Indeed.
Welcome aboard. 
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Posted: 5/5/2021 6:31:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panzerfeist1: Is space X going to hire scientists that work on nuclear propulsion any time soon? For some reason my confidence is dying a little that they still want to go chemical while NASA, DARPA and keldysh center have different approaches for deep space travel which all seem to be go nuclear. So you spend 3 whole posts complaining about how Musk is a fraud and then complain he"s not given access to work on nukes? 
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Posted: 5/5/2021 6:53:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panzerfeist1: Interesting, browsing this board everyone is right leaning and supports Space X, Space battle forum is left winging and supports Space X so I guess Elon enjoys watching either competing who can deep throat him the farthest. But I have some criticism regarding his statements to Mars or any deep space travels ... Always good to see new members with technical knowledge, but starting your first post like this isn't likely to make people receptive to your ideas. Just a thought. |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 7:17:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: Pavelow16478]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panzerfeist1: snip Musk has presented heat tiles with temperatures of 1560 kelvin in his tweet video regarding a re-entry profile, while Berkeley labs has said the re-entry heat load to Mars is 4000 degrees Fahrenheit. re-entry heat loads for earth are even higher. So is he making it sound like he is expecting that these tiles can survive the wear and tear of entering either Mars or earth without the whole crew dying? The Berkeley paper (link here) was referring to TPS for a small probe. Peak heating will vary with velocity, ballistic coefficient, entry angle, etc... A small probe is a whole different animal than Starship. Starship being heavier will give it a much larger Q (total heat load) than a probe (velocities being equal) but being able to aero brake higher up in the atmosphere and with aero surfaces that allow them to control their entry profile allows them to have a lower q dot (heat rate) than a probe. Great paper on reentry heating https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/cami/library/online_libraries/aerospace_medicine/tutorial/media/iii.4.1.7_returning_from_space.pdf I don't miss having to do thermo 
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Posted: 5/5/2021 7:30:34 AM EST
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Well now.
Dragon has some competition breathing on it's parachutes ! https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2021/05/04/dream-chaser-space-plane-preps-for-iss-supply-missions-in-2022 Crewed missions are in the works.
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Posted: 5/5/2021 7:40:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panzerfeist1: He is going to use solar cells to power a plant to harness Martian subsurface ice, electrolyte it into H2 and O2, then liquefy and store it as rocket fuels. We have frozen water at our planets poles and to my knowledge, no-one makes rocket fuel this way or has even proposed that so that is another hurdle. Probably because we have much easier ways to generate liquid oxygen and hydrogen here on Earth than to start with water ice. |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 7:41:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Well now. Dragon has some competition breathing on it's parachutes ! https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2021/05/04/dream-chaser-space-plane-preps-for-iss-supply-missions-in-2022 Crewed missions are in the works. Competition is a good thing 
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Posted: 5/5/2021 7:47:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pavelow16478: Competition is a good thing So are runway landings.
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Posted: 5/5/2021 9:11:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Well now. Dragon has some competition breathing on it's parachutes ! https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2021/05/04/dream-chaser-space-plane-preps-for-iss-supply-missions-in-2022 Crewed missions are in the works. While I am glad to see dream chaser making some progress, it's still at least year away from its first flight in the cargo config and that will be over a dozen years after they started developing it. Crew flights will almost certainly still be years away. I would be curious to see it's in flight abort profile and costs. There would be some irony if they could eventually get it working for less than starliner after losing out on the conmercial crew contract (and subsequent protest) to ULA and Space X. |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 9:17:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dusten: While I am glad to see dream chaser making some progress, it's still at least year away from its first flight in the cargo config and that will be over a dozen years after they started developing it. Crew flights will almost certainly still be years away. I would be curious to see it's in flight abort profile and costs. There would be some irony if they could eventually get it working for less than starliner after losing out on the conmercial crew contract (and subsequent protest) to ULA and Space X. How will manned flights work with the DreamChaser inside a fairing? Abort modes? |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 9:28:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: How will manned flights work with the DreamChaser inside a fairing? Abort modes?  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 9:46:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/279984/Dream_Chaser_Atlas_V_Integrated_Launch_C-1930300.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Originally Posted By AmericanPeople: How will manned flights work with the DreamChaser inside a fairing? Abort modes? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/279984/Dream_Chaser_Atlas_V_Integrated_Launch_C-1930300.JPG Interesting concept - I like it!  SNC's Dream Chaser® Concept of Operations |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 10:02:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panzerfeist1: Interesting, browsing this board everyone is right leaning and supports Space X, Space battle forum is left winging and supports Space X so I guess Elon enjoys watching either competing who can deep throat him the farthest. But I have some criticism regarding his statements to Mars or any deep space travels Demonstrate that they can send a 100-150 ton payload to Mars, which I suppose is the weight estimates of the starship. ITS tankers I have looked at (he proposes 5 for interplanetary mission) weigh 380 tonnes, interplanetary spaceship with cargo and passengers is estimated at 450 tonnes per trip to Mars. The only time I remember such heavy weight proposals was by the UR-900 to UR-700 rockets which have been cancelled by the Soviets. So if this does turn out successful than congrats for their company on setting new world records of heavy payload launches to space that surpass Saturn V, but a successful Mars mission is another story. Demonstrate that orbital refueling works which of course we have yet to see. I believe there are 4 tankers required for the Mars mission shown in the image I have looked at and they have to do some kind of maneuver with the starship which of course we have to see a demonstration that this works. Land I suppose a 100-150 ton object into Mars and NASA has had great difficulty trying to land at least a 1 ton rover. Space X has to demonstrate this. Musk has presented heat tiles with temperatures of 1560 kelvin in his tweet video regarding a re-entry profile, while Berkeley labs has said the re-entry heat load to Mars is 4000 degrees Fahrenheit. re-entry heat loads for earth are even higher. So is he making it sound like he is expecting that these tiles can survive the wear and tear of entering either Mars or earth without the whole crew dying? Panzer, i’m Familiar with spacebattles, if you’re not very left wing it can be a difficult up hill battle there, so welcome you crazy freak,  don’t mind the hazing, “it will end”Latest on starship is transpiration cooking, er thanks autocorrect, cooling, that way is out, Elon said on twitter that likes the idea, but his engineers have convinced him tiles are the best. As for the tiles, the concern hasn’t been discussed by someone more versed above this post. But say you might be correct, or perhaps partially, spacex is very agile and more than happy to perform tests on mars before crewed missions and abandon failed concepts, sunk costs be damned. Take their recent abandoning, then re-adoption of autogenous pressurization. It failed to pressurize sufficiently on one test, causing a crash, so they abandoned it for a helium system to pressurized the fuel tanks, which promptly killed another prototype after an engine ingesting a helium bubble, so they reverted back to a beefed up autogenous (heating up liquid fuel into gas to pressurize the tanks) as any bubble produced by this system would return to liquid form before entering the turbo pumps, where as helium would stay in gaseous form. I don’t think it’s so much as if spacex can do it, it’s more of a when and at what capacity. |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 11:01:49 AM EST
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So far this year SpaceX is averaging a Falcon 9 launch almost every 9 days. Ridiculous.
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Posted: 5/5/2021 12:26:27 PM EST
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SpaceX’s next Starlink launch to cross major rocket reusability milestone
"Next Spaceflight reports that SpaceX’s next Starlink launch – scheduled as few as five days after the last mission – will see Falcon 9 mark a hugely significant milestone for truly reusable rocketry. According to Next Spaceflight’s sources, SpaceX has chosen Falcon 9 booster B1051 to launch Starlink-27 – the constellation’s 26th operational mission – as early as Sunday, May 9th. Scheduled eight weeks (56 days) after the same booster’s last orbital-class launch and landing and just five days after SpaceX’s 25th operational Starlink launch, Starlink-27 will be Falcon 9 B1051’s 10th launch." |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 12:32:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: AmericanPeople]
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1) Background info: Source
"A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch the 27th batch of approximately 60 satellites for SpaceX’s Starlink broadband network, a mission designated Starlink V1.0-L27." 2) Launch window: 2:42 AM EDT (9 May 2021). 3) Launch Site: SLC-40, Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, Floridada 4) Webcast viewing options: a. SpaceX webcast (Starts about 15 minutes before liftoff) b. You Tube  Starlink Mission 5) Launch preparations: a. Boats heading out. Source: SpaceXFleet.com b. Ready for launch.  Stephen Marr photo.  Kyle Montgomery photo 6) First stage return/disposal: Ocean recovery on JRTI. 7) Mission press kit: Now online here 8) Launch to deployment events/timeline: Hours:Minutes:Seconds after lift-off 00:02:33 1st stage main engine cutoff (MECO) 00:02:36 1st and 2nd stages separate 00:02:44 2nd stage engine starts 00:03:04 Fairing deployment 00:06:53 1st stage entry burn ends 00:08:35 1st stage landing 00:08:47 2nd stage engine cutoff (SECO) 00:45:33 2nd stage engine restarts 00:45:35 2nd stage engine cutoff (SECO-2) 01:03:51 Starlink satellites deploy |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 3:33:56 PM EST
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@ gtsteve03
hate 2000 character limit so sorry for not adding quote. I didn't call him a fraud unless that's what you think he is? I mean I did go bash Rogozin Musk appears to be similar to him except Rogozin is doing a better job closing his mouth more instead of saying things like solar powered spacecraft for deep space missions or thinking astronauts will do just fine in Europa will probably go scare the shit out of any astronaut that is to hop aboard the starship to Mars. DARPA and NASA propose nuclear spacecraft projects along with Russia which seem to be faster methods than chemical rockets. Also proposes things like we need refueling tankers and we need a way to refuel on mars instead of a keep it simple, stupid by just going nuclear. I just hope those processes to work right don't take longer than trying to get starship to orbit, refueling in orbit, refueling along the way to Mars and assuming robots are being tested 1st to collect fuel in Mars and can withstand radiation levels and dust among other factors for humans to safely. Going nuclear sort of cuts off the refueling cycles or the need to collect fuel on another planet dont take longer than other processes like landing on Mars than taking off from mars for a successful re-entry back to earth. |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 3:34:29 PM EST
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@steveG3
continued 2025 seems like in interesting date for General Atomics and LM or Blue origins nuclear spacecraft design to get a nuclear spacecraft to orbit. But when will other contracts begin on sending nuclear engines farther away is the next concern. 2030 is the estimated date for nuklon which is a supposed head to earths moon, Venus and than one of Jupiter s moons Keldysh Center designed one engine, KB Arsenal designing a different nuclear engine. Nuklon is estimated 20-30 tons. but eventually in 2028 they will have the Yenisei and Don Rockets ready to launch for higher payload to orbit meaning possible manned expeditions to Mars. They might get an economical boost from Nordstream 2 and other arctic projects or use the Chinese for funding like their joint lunar station project for a manned mars mission. They are the dark-horse in my opinion. The Chinese I see barely as a threat but only if they fund Russia. NASA keeps talking about the need to go nuclear but dont see any proposals. I personally think Space X has a bigger disadvantage than the other 3 is what I was trying to say. Any disagreements here people want to add? |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 3:37:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Well now. Dragon has some competition breathing on it's parachutes ! https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2021/05/04/dream-chaser-space-plane-preps-for-iss-supply-missions-in-2022 Crewed missions are in the works. Bahahhahaha, hopefully the landing gear works this time! |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 3:38:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panzerfeist1: Should I just ignore the guy and focus on the company's achievements instead? He is no different than trampoline man Rogozin, so do people here worship the company more or the guy instead? https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/nuclear-propulsion-could-help-get-humans-to-mars-faster https://spacenews.com/general-atomics-wins-darpa-contract-to-design-nuclear-reactor-to-power-missions-to-the-moon/ https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/russian-nuclear-propulsion-spacecraft-nuklon.35350/ Is space X going to hire scientists that work on nuclear propulsion any time soon? For some reason my confidence is dying a little that they still want to go chemical while NASA, DARPA and keldysh center have different approaches for deep space travel which all seem to be go nuclear. NASA's approach to going to Mars was nuclear in the 1970s. 50 years later... |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 3:41:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panzerfeist1: Interesting, browsing this board everyone is right leaning and supports Space X, Space battle forum is left winging and supports Space X so I guess Elon enjoys watching either competing who can deep throat him the farthest. But I have some criticism regarding his statements to Mars or any deep space travels You must be pretty hard up joining a firearm forum to bitch at us about SpaceX. Personally, I think you are mad your country has no space capability - you don't sound / type like an American. Remember. 
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Posted: 5/5/2021 3:47:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: Neotopiaman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panzerfeist1: @steveG3 continued 2025 seems like in interesting date for General Atomics and LM or Blue origins nuclear spacecraft design to get a nuclear spacecraft to orbit. But when will other contracts begin on sending nuclear engines farther away is the next concern. 2030 is the estimated date for nuklon which is a supposed head to earths moon, Venus and than one of Jupiter s moons Keldysh Center designed one engine, KB Arsenal designing a different nuclear engine. Nuklon is estimated 20-30 tons. but eventually in 2028 they will have the Yenisei and Don Rockets ready to launch for higher payload to orbit meaning possible manned expeditions to Mars. They might get an economical boost from Nordstream 2 and other arctic projects or use the Chinese for funding like their joint lunar station project for a manned mars mission. They are the dark-horse in my opinion. The Chinese I see barely as a threat but only if they fund Russia. NASA keeps talking about the need to go nuclear but dont see any proposals. I personally think Space X has a bigger disadvantage than the other 3 is what I was trying to say. Any disagreements here people want to add? Russia isn't going to do jack shit. They've been working on the Angara and their second ISS module for like 22 years now. They have no money. |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 3:49:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panzerfeist1: @ gtsteve03 hate 2000 character limit so sorry for not adding quote. I didn't call him a fraud unless that's what you think he is? I mean I did go bash Rogozin Musk appears to be similar to him except Rogozin is doing a better job closing his mouth more instead of saying things like solar powered spacecraft for deep space missions or thinking astronauts will do just fine in Europa will probably go scare the shit out of any astronaut that is to hop aboard the starship to Mars. DARPA and NASA propose nuclear spacecraft projects along with Russia which seem to be faster methods than chemical rockets. Also proposes things like we need refueling tankers and we need a way to refuel on mars instead of a keep it simple, stupid by just going nuclear. I just hope those processes to work right don't take longer than trying to get starship to orbit, refueling in orbit, refueling along the way to Mars and assuming robots are being tested 1st to collect fuel in Mars and can withstand radiation levels and dust among other factors for humans to safely. Going nuclear sort of cuts off the refueling cycles or the need to collect fuel on another planet dont take longer than other processes like landing on Mars than taking off from mars for a successful re-entry back to earth. Nuclear would indeed be awesome, but is one hellish regulatory nightmare, simple RTG’s are difficult enough for NASA, JPL, etc. to acquire material, manufacture. Spacex has considered them, but they consider full flow staged combustion methane the best low bearing fruit. |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 4:04:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: panzerfeist1]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Russia isn't going to do jack shit. They've been working on the Angara and their second ISS module for like 22 years now. They have no money. Ya see this is the kind of mentality that scares me the most. Claims that they were far behind on stealth drones, now they have set dates for the SU-70 for full scale productions and even giving it an interceptor role, Claims that they were far behind on lasers for having no projects, than they propose a 1 megawatt laser KVPC, and a nuclear fuel pump Peresvet laser. Claims that they were far behind on AESA radars and aircraft engines, than all of a sudden there is news reports left and right from their company CEOs or military figure heads talking about photonic radars and detonation engines. Nordstream 2 and arctic projects might boost their economy back up or use the Chinese. They are proposing a lot of economical projects. I dont see the U.S. redoing project pluto to match Burevestnik and it appears they might have some lag to catch up with on nuclear propulsion. As much as everyone hates to admit it but the soviets helped us with scramjets like the kholod project, operation mount hope 3, among other things we could not achieve without their help or designs. I don't think that brilliance has left them. PS: I fucking love this place now it is like F-16.net but without your posts being limited or a admin throwing a ban quickly
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Posted: 5/5/2021 4:12:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: Neotopiaman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panzerfeist1: Ya see this is the kind of mentality that scares me the most. Claims that they were far behind on stealth drones, now they have set dates for the SU-70 for full scale productions and even giving it an interceptor role, Claims that they were far behind on lasers for having no projects, than they propose a 1 megawatt laser KVPC, and a nuclear fuel pump Peresvet laser. Claims that they were far behind on AESA radars and aircraft engines, than all of a sudden there is news reports left and right from their company CEOs or military figure heads talking about photonic radars and detonation engines. Nordstream 2 and arctic projects might boost their economy back up or use the Chinese. They are proposing a lot of economical projects. I dont see the U.S. redoing project pluto to match Burevestnik and it appears they might have some lag to catch up with on nuclear propulsion. As much as everyone hates to admit it but the soviets helped us with scramjets like the kholod project, operation mount hope 3, among other things we could not achieve without their help or designs. I don't think that brilliance has left them. PS: I fucking love this place now it is like F-16.net but without your posts being limited or a admin throwing a ban quickly lol Russia is going precisely nowhere. They are basically a non-entity now in innovation. China spends 20x more on R&D than Russia does... Russia barely makes the global top 20 now. It's not the USSR, it's a dead kleptocratic shithole with dutch disease. |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 4:14:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panzerfeist1: Ya see this is the kind of mentality that scares me the most. Claims that they were far behind on stealth drones, now they have set dates for the SU-70 for full scale productions and even giving it an interceptor role, Claims that they were far behind on lasers for having no projects, than they propose a 1 megawatt laser KVPC, and a nuclear fuel pump Peresvet laser. Claims that they were far behind on AESA radars and aircraft engines, than all of a sudden there is news reports left and right from their company CEOs or military figure heads talking about photonic radars and detonation engines. Nordstream 2 and arctic projects might boost their economy back up or use the Chinese. They are proposing a lot of economical projects. I dont see the U.S. redoing project pluto to match Burevestnik and it appears they might have some lag to catch up with on nuclear propulsion. As much as everyone hates to admit it but the soviets helped us with scramjets like the kholod project, operation mount hope 3, among other things we could not achieve without their help or designs. I don't think that brilliance has left them. PS: I fucking love this place now it is like F-16.net but without your posts being limited or a admin throwing a ban quickly Yeah, maybe their SU70 drones can supplement their vast fleet of mig-35s. |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 4:20:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: lol Russia is going precisely nowhere. They are basically a non-entity now in innovation. China spends 20x more on R&D than Russia does... Russia barely makes the global top 20 now. It's not the USSR, it's a dead kleptocratic shithole with dutch disease. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Originally Posted By panzerfeist1: Ya see this is the kind of mentality that scares me the most. Claims that they were far behind on stealth drones, now they have set dates for the SU-70 for full scale productions and even giving it an interceptor role, Claims that they were far behind on lasers for having no projects, than they propose a 1 megawatt laser KVPC, and a nuclear fuel pump Peresvet laser. Claims that they were far behind on AESA radars and aircraft engines, than all of a sudden there is news reports left and right from their company CEOs or military figure heads talking about photonic radars and detonation engines. Nordstream 2 and arctic projects might boost their economy back up or use the Chinese. They are proposing a lot of economical projects. I dont see the U.S. redoing project pluto to match Burevestnik and it appears they might have some lag to catch up with on nuclear propulsion. As much as everyone hates to admit it but the soviets helped us with scramjets like the kholod project, operation mount hope 3, among other things we could not achieve without their help or designs. I don't think that brilliance has left them. PS: I fucking love this place now it is like F-16.net but without your posts being limited or a admin throwing a ban quickly lol Russia is going precisely nowhere. They are basically a non-entity now in innovation. China spends 20x more on R&D than Russia does... Russia barely makes the global top 20 now. It's not the USSR, it's a dead kleptocratic shithole with dutch disease. This. What the Russians say and do are usually two totally different things. RE their space launch planning: the Russian Finance Ministry is cutting Roscosmos budget by ~$13M a year, for the next 3 years. With the significant loss of income from SpaceX getting their old customers and the aforementioned budget cuts, I don't imagine Russia doing much of anything other than trying to keep the Soyuz just going |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 4:25:09 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lagtime: This. What the Russians say and do are usually two totally different things. RE their space launch planning: the Russian Finance Ministry is cutting Roscosmos budget by ~$13M a year, for the next 3 years. With the significant loss of income from SpaceX getting their old customers and the aforementioned budget cuts, I don't imagine Russia doing much of anything other than trying to keep the Soyuz just going Russia's current space budget for the next few years is like $1.8b per year. SpaceX is easily spending more than that on it's own as a private entity. In a few years SpaceX will have several billion Starlink bucks a year to spend. Russia is also losing it's foreign revenues from ISS seats, commercial launches, and engine sales, it won't be able to subsidize it's domestic industry with foreign revenues. |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 4:35:48 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Russia's current space budget for the next few years is like $1.8b per year. SpaceX is easily spending more than that on it's own as a private entity. In a few years SpaceX will have several billion Starlink bucks a year to spend. Russia is also losing it's foreign revenues from ISS seats, commercial launches, and engine sales, it won't be able to subsidize it's domestic industry with foreign revenues. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Originally Posted By Lagtime: This. What the Russians say and do are usually two totally different things. RE their space launch planning: the Russian Finance Ministry is cutting Roscosmos budget by ~$13M a year, for the next 3 years. With the significant loss of income from SpaceX getting their old customers and the aforementioned budget cuts, I don't imagine Russia doing much of anything other than trying to keep the Soyuz just going Russia's current space budget for the next few years is like $1.8b per year. SpaceX is easily spending more than that on it's own as a private entity. In a few years SpaceX will have several billion Starlink bucks a year to spend. Russia is also losing it's foreign revenues from ISS seats, commercial launches, and engine sales, it won't be able to subsidize it's domestic industry with foreign revenues. $860M from SpaceX crew Dragon launches alone already, almost half of their annual budget
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Posted: 5/5/2021 4:48:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: panzerfeist1]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: lol Russia is going precisely nowhere. They are basically a non-entity now in innovation. China spends 20x more on R&D than Russia does... Russia barely makes the global top 20 now. It's not the USSR, it's a dead kleptocratic shithole with dutch disease. If China is doing so well why even cooperate with Russia on a lunar moon station? Didn't Elon fly to Russia before to copy a rocket design? Didnt Musk beg congress from letting NASA purchase Russian rocket engines as well? Is this U.S. innovation at its finest Space X is not doing so bad right now. But development of Amur Rockets, and creating a new design bureau for fly wing rocket designs like Krylo-SV and eventually heavier payloads will offer cheaper flights and re-usability than current rockets using half the fuel to get to orbit and half the fuel to re-land. Wonder what countermeasures Space X will take against all this? I mean Russia is a non-entity in innovation correct?We literally use Chinese American students to compete with Russians And Chinese in international ICPC, physics and math competitions. The U.S. is turning into a left leaning shithole that screws Asians and whites so that technological gap will just grow bigger than it has already. |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 4:56:20 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panzerfeist1: If China is doing so well why even cooperate with Russia on a lunar moon station? Didn't Elon fly to Russia before to copy a rocket design? Didnt Musk beg congress from letting NASA purchase Russian rocket engines as well? Is this U.S. innovation at its finest Space X is not doing so bad right now. But development of Amur Rockets, and creating a new design bureau for fly wing rocket designs like Krylo-SV and eventually heavier payloads will offer cheaper flights and re-usability than current rockets using half the fuel to get to orbit and half the fuel to re-land. Wonder what countermeasures Space X will take against all this? I mean Russia is a non-entity in innovation correct?Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panzerfeist1: If China is doing so well why even cooperate with Russia on a lunar moon station? Didn't Elon fly to Russia before to copy a rocket design? Didnt Musk beg congress from letting NASA purchase Russian rocket engines as well? Is this U.S. innovation at its finest Space X is not doing so bad right now. But development of Amur Rockets, and creating a new design bureau for fly wing rocket designs like Krylo-SV and eventually heavier payloads will offer cheaper flights and re-usability than current rockets using half the fuel to get to orbit and half the fuel to re-land. Wonder what countermeasures Space X will take against all this? I mean Russia is a non-entity in innovation correct?China is going to farm all the space IP they can out of Russia then kick them to kerb. SpaceX is currently out-lifting the entire rest of the world combined in terms of tonnage to orbit. They are also lifting more people now than the rest of the world combined, and they are making more satellites than the rest of the world combined. The Falcon is both the world's cheapest and most reliable rocket. We literally use Chinese American students to compete with Russians And Chinese in international ICPC, physics and math competitions. The U.S. is turning into a left leaning shithole that screws Asians and whites so that technological gap will just grow bigger than it has already. How many globally competitive, innovative firms does Russia have again? All of Russia's best and brightest leave Russia, because it's a shithole. Russia is literally a rounding error on global innovation. In the 60s the USSR was about 20% of world R&D, now Russia is under 1%... Below Brazil, The Netherlands, and Israel. |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 5:15:38 PM EST
[#44]
@Neotopiaman
Its personally hard for me to take someone chucking rockets for entertainment purposes into orbit seriously, that I shit you not even flew to another country to copy their design and seems to propose ideas that endanger astronauts. 2 Amur rockets being launched will have more payload and still be cheaper than a falcon launch of any considerable payload. Space X will than have to create a cheaper re-usable rocket design and once they do they will have to somehow deal with fly-wing rocket designs that will offer heavier payloads than krylo-SV. Fielding scramjets before our country and our country felt the need to spend billions on hypersonic projects because of how innovative Russia is lol? I currently have my doubts if the U.S. will have a successful nuclear spacecraft design but if they somehow do they will have to make a design that can travel around the solar system in which we are starting to see such a proposal on Nuklon. https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/photonic-integrated-circuits-and-radar-developement.32576/ Here is an example on radars, etc, etc. Imagine spending trillions on stealth just when a country is proposing a way to make it useless. We spend money like idiots they don't. |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 5:41:59 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lagtime: $860M from SpaceX crew Dragon launches alone already, almost half of their annual budget And just wait until the Boeing Starliner falls on it's ass again, then even more work for SpaceX. The have already picked up several extra flights that should have been Starliner flight (hence the move to re-using Crew Dragon sooner). |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 5:49:17 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panzerfeist1: @Neotopiaman Its personally hard for me to take someone chucking rockets for entertainment purposes into orbit seriously, that I shit you not even flew to another country to copy their design and seems to propose ideas that endanger astronauts. 2 Amur rockets being launched will have more payload and still be cheaper than a falcon launch of any considerable payload. Space X will than have to create a cheaper re-usable rocket design and once they do they will have to somehow deal with fly-wing rocket designs that will offer heavier payloads than krylo-SV. Fielding scramjets before our country and our country felt the need to spend billions on hypersonic projects because of how innovative Russia is lol? I currently have my doubts if the U.S. will have a successful nuclear spacecraft design but if they somehow do they will have to make a design that can travel around the solar system in which we are starting to see such a proposal on Nuklon. https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/photonic-integrated-circuits-and-radar-developement.32576/ Here is an example on radars, etc, etc. Imagine spending trillions on stealth just when a country is proposing a way to make it useless. We spend money like idiots they don't.  St.Pete troll mills need to up their game... |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 5:50:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3Trip]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rhinowso96: And just wait until the Boeing Starliner falls on it's ass again, then even more work for SpaceX. The have already picked up several extra flights that should have been Starliner flight (hence the move to re-using Crew Dragon sooner). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rhinowso96: Originally Posted By Lagtime: $860M from SpaceX crew Dragon launches alone already, almost half of their annual budget And just wait until the Boeing Starliner falls on it's ass again, then even more work for SpaceX. The have already picked up several extra flights that should have been Starliner flight (hence the move to re-using Crew Dragon sooner). it's beginning to look like there's something seriously wrong with boing as a company, with the problems with their military transports, their newish civilian passenger jet, and now their spacecraft. |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 5:59:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: Orion_Shall_Rise]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3Trip: it's beginning to look like there's something seriously wrong with boing as a company, with the problems with their military transports, their newish civilian passenger jet, and now their spacecraft. https://www.boeing.com/principles/ dont see anything about successful projects
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Posted: 5/5/2021 8:58:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: panzerfeist1]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: St.Pete troll mills need to up their game... Oh yeah wait until I file a report against Space X that I am a person of color feeling discriminated against. https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-investigation-doj-justice-hiring-discrimination-elon-musk-employment-legal-2021-1 You forgot the new motto of the U.S. Diversity > Talent. |
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Posted: 5/6/2021 1:27:12 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panzerfeist1: Oh yeah wait until I file a report against Space X that I am a person of color feeling discriminated against. https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-investigation-doj-justice-hiring-discrimination-elon-musk-employment-legal-2021-1 You forgot the new motto of the U.S. Diversity > Talent.  GFY. |
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