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Posted: 7/12/2024 7:11:24 AM EDT
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During tonight’s Falcon 9 launch of Starlink, the second stage engine did not complete its second burn. As a result, the Starlink satellites were deployed into a lower than intended orbit. SpaceX has made contact with 5 of the satellites so far and is attempting to have them raise orbit using their ion thrusters.
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Posted: 7/12/2024 8:23:45 AM EDT
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Be interesting to see if this was a QA/QC issue from trying to build 4 second stages a week or an edge case that took 350 flights to pop up.
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Posted: 7/12/2024 8:41:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pavelow16478: Be interesting to see if this was a QA/QC issue from trying to build 4 second stages a week or an edge case that took 350 flights to pop up. |
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Posted: 7/12/2024 9:57:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pavelow16478: Be interesting to see if this was a QA/QC issue from trying to build 4 second stages a week or an edge case that took 350 flights to pop up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pavelow16478: Be interesting to see if this was a QA/QC issue from trying to build 4 second stages a week or an edge case that took 350 flights to pop up. Are these 2nd stage elements one size fits all? Or are there mission specific ones that carry a common name like centaur does? This almost or possible crit1 failure whatever it is determined to be may put a cramp in their current launch schedule if it effects like hardware (suspect condition). Originally Posted By Hadrian: And this comes less than a month after a pad abort. They need to worry about complacency. I still haven't seen anything released about the actual cause on that one. Nor the last Falcon Heavy rolling back for 2 weeks. |
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Posted: 7/12/2024 10:36:06 AM EDT
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We are getting a new boat !
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Posted: 7/12/2024 10:41:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hadrian: And this comes less than a month after a pad abort. They need to worry about complacency. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hadrian: Originally Posted By Pavelow16478: Be interesting to see if this was a QA/QC issue from trying to build 4 second stages a week or an edge case that took 350 flights to pop up. Yep, SpaceX is totally incompetent.  MDS maybe?
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Posted: 7/12/2024 10:51:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RiverSwine45: Are these 2nd stage elements one size fits all? Or are there mission specific ones that carry a common name like centaur does? This almost or possible crit1 failure whatever it is determined to be may put a cramp in their current launch schedule if it effects like hardware (suspect condition). I still haven't seen anything released about the actual cause on that one. Nor the last Falcon Heavy rolling back for 2 weeks. Last I knew they were the same but added in extra batteries for missions with a long coast phase. No idea how accurate that is today. There is another Starlink launch scheduled for Sunday, we'll see if it goes. |
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Posted: 7/12/2024 11:50:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/12/2024 11:56:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pavelow16478: Last I knew they were the same but added in extra batteries for missions with a long coast phase. No idea how accurate that is today. There is another Starlink launch scheduled for Sunday, we'll see if it goes. The extra batteries would not surprise me. Those missions have the light gray banding to keep a propellant from freezing and there is a short nozzle version for which I do not understand the purpose. |
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Posted: 7/12/2024 12:01:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: The extra batteries would not surprise me. Those missions have the light gray banding to keep a propellant from freezing and there is a short nozzle version for which I do not understand the purpose. Forgot about the short nozzles. Easier and cheaper to manufacture. Take a big performance hit but that's fine for low energy missions. |
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Posted: 7/12/2024 12:05:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AZCOP]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RiverSwine45: Are these 2nd stage elements one size fits all? Or are there mission specific ones that carry a common name like centaur does? The short cone is really noticeable, but I've only seen it a few times Edit to add: I'm watching the replay. It looks like the exhaust cone of the Merlin isn't glowing as hot as I've seem them in the past. Wow: Lots of fuel coming out from in front of the cone, and the foil busted. Something I've never seen. Not a word from the Merlin director: No 'stage two is on a nominal trajectory' talk like is normally heard. I'm sure SpaceX is happy it happened to a Starlink launch, and not something serious, like an NROL launch. Jay |
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Posted: 7/12/2024 12:09:02 PM EDT
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That thermal foil blew up like a birthday ballon. Whatever it's made of must be some pretty tough stuff.
I'm going with a lox pressure relief valve hanging up and getting stuck partially open. |
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Posted: 7/12/2024 1:14:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Chokey]
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Posted: 7/12/2024 1:18:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/12/2024 1:31:32 PM EDT
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"fully demise"
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Posted: 7/12/2024 1:58:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WILSON: "fully demise" Yeah it sounds a bit silly. But there are a lot of dead sattelites up there. |
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Posted: 7/12/2024 4:03:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/12/2024 4:10:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Grounded. Bummer. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/spacex-s-workhorse-rocket-is-grounded-after-failure-in-orbit/ar-BB1pRVYt?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=226535e41fb94c52b94105ad17bbd829&ei=9 Grounding is expected until they identify the cause and implement any corrective action. I will guess that it won't take long. |
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Posted: 7/12/2024 6:35:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: The extra batteries would not surprise me. Those missions have the light gray banding to keep a propellant from freezing and there is a short nozzle version for which I do not understand the purpose. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: Originally Posted By Pavelow16478: Last I knew they were the same but added in extra batteries for missions with a long coast phase. No idea how accurate that is today. There is another Starlink launch scheduled for Sunday, we'll see if it goes. The extra batteries would not surprise me. Those missions have the light gray banding to keep a propellant from freezing and there is a short nozzle version for which I do not understand the purpose. To conserve niobium. |
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Posted: 7/12/2024 6:44:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hesperus]
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I'm surprised that Falcon has gone this long without any kinds of serious malfunction. Probably has some thing to do with the fact that it's so new. It still has a superb safety record compared to many other rockets.
Barring political shenanigans or World War 3 I expect that they will be back in service fairly soon. If this takes more than 3 months to iron out it would probably cause trouble. Maybe ULA and Vulcan can pick up the slack? 
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Posted: 7/12/2024 8:29:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: I'm surprised that Falcon has gone this long without any kinds of serious malfunction. Probably has some thing to do with the fact that it's so new. It still has a superb safety record compared to many other rockets. Barring political shenanigans or World War 3 I expect that they will be back in service fairly soon. If this takes more than 3 months to iron out it would probably cause trouble. Maybe ULA and Vulcan can pick up the slack? I figure it will be flying next week. |
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Posted: 7/12/2024 8:39:55 PM EDT
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Did the Boeing people pay a visit to the assembly building and poke a hole in the oxygen line?
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Posted: 7/12/2024 8:47:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJE: Did the Boeing people pay a visit to the assembly building and poke a hole in the oxygen line? Or a disgruntled Spacex employee??? |
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Posted: 7/13/2024 12:28:56 AM EDT
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Scott Manley
 Propellent Leak Ends SpaceX's Launch Record |
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Posted: 7/14/2024 1:55:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Or a disgruntled Spacex employee??? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Originally Posted By AJE: Did the Boeing people pay a visit to the assembly building and poke a hole in the oxygen line? Or a disgruntled Spacex employee??? I was thinking that |
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Posted: 7/14/2024 7:08:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/15/2024 10:29:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David0858: Yep, SpaceX is totally incompetent. MDS maybe?Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David0858: Originally Posted By Hadrian: Originally Posted By Pavelow16478: Be interesting to see if this was a QA/QC issue from trying to build 4 second stages a week or an edge case that took 350 flights to pop up. Yep, SpaceX is totally incompetent. MDS maybe?=/= avatar seems to be appropriate |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 7:39:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCeyPV6WgAEYf4x?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Ate those some pre launch weather rockets on the right? That’s a simple fantastic shot. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 8:04:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Chokey]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FredMan: Ate those some pre launch weather rockets on the right? That’s a simple fantastic shot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FredMan: Originally Posted By Chokey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCeyPV6WgAEYf4x?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Ate those some pre launch weather rockets on the right? That’s a simple fantastic shot. Falcon Heavy Boosters 
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Posted: 7/15/2024 8:27:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/16/2024 3:14:08 PM EDT
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Scoop: SpaceX submitted a public safety determination request to the FAA on July 15. If approved, it would allow SpaceX to resume Falcon 9 launches while the SpaceX-led investigation continues regarding the upper stage anomaly that occurred during the Starlink 9-3 mission. "The FAA is reviewing the request and will be guided by data and safety at every step of the process," the FAA said in a statement. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 3:18:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/16/2024 3:30:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/16/2024 3:34:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Good. And bad. He will get attacked even more because he needs the Hawthorne facility for the launch and recovery operations out of Vandy. I wonder if he is going to move Tesla out of Freemont ? |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 3:38:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Good. And bad. He will get attacked even more because he needs the Hawthorne facility for the launch and recovery operations out of Vandy. I wonder if he is going to move Tesla out of Freemont ? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Originally Posted By Chokey:
Good. And bad. He will get attacked even more because he needs the Hawthorne facility for the launch and recovery operations out of Vandy. I wonder if he is going to move Tesla out of Freemont ? he's just moving the corporation out of California, just like he moved Tesla out of Delaware. They'll still need the existing facilities. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 3:39:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Good. And bad. He will get attacked even more because he needs the Hawthorne facility for the launch and recovery operations out of Vandy. I wonder if he is going to move Tesla out of Freemont ? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Originally Posted By Chokey:
Good. And bad. He will get attacked even more because he needs the Hawthorne facility for the launch and recovery operations out of Vandy. I wonder if he is going to move Tesla out of Freemont ? I am sure they are maintaining mostly the presence in their existing CA facilities, just no longer the "HQ." |
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Posted: 7/17/2024 2:15:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/17/2024 2:32:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/17/2024 3:24:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/18/2024 2:55:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Chokey]
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Posted: 7/18/2024 3:25:37 PM EDT
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ASOG Headed out of Port Canaveral due East at around 9:15 a.m. today with Signet Warhorse towing it out.
Marine AIS was turned off around 11 a.m. when they were underway at about 10kts and they were about 30 miles out. Typically takes 2-3 days to get in position for F9 booster recovery. No official word yet but it will probably get dropped tomorrow that FAA has lifted the F9 grounding and the Starlink 10-4 launch will take place some time this weekend. |
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Posted: 7/18/2024 4:02:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: ASOG Headed out of Port Canaveral due East at around 9:15 a.m. today with Signet Warhorse towing it out. Marine AIS was turned off around 11 a.m. when they were underway at about 10kts and they were about 30 miles out. Typically takes 2-3 days to get in position for F9 booster recovery. No official word yet but it will probably get dropped tomorrow that FAA has lifted the F9 grounding and the Starlink 10-4 launch will take place some time this weekend. they're headed north now (as of 2 hours ago) |
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Posted: 7/19/2024 8:56:49 PM EDT
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Bob returned to PC on Jul 19 @ 1:36pm ET]
 NASASpaceFlight is using 24 July 2024, 12:14 AM EDT as a possible launch time. Slips are occurring possibly waiting for FAA approval to launch. |
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Posted: 7/19/2024 10:37:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GStQi2NaAAA4RHZ?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
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Posted: 7/20/2024 7:20:55 AM EDT
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ASOG arriving at Port Canaveral, just about ready to dock and tie off.
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Posted: 7/20/2024 12:06:11 PM EDT
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That second stage failure is why the space program needs redundant dissimilar architecture
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Posted: 7/20/2024 12:31:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: That second stage failure is why the space program needs redundant dissimilar architecture Yeah, it's just too bad that at the moment there's nothing that can compete with SpaceX's capabilities. No one else comes near their prices or launch cadence. I do hope Rocket Lab, Stoke or Relativity can get their reusable boosters up and running. But even though they are probably all working as fast as they can. Building a new orbital rocket is never an easy thing. Rocket Factory Augsburg says they are getting close to a launch. But somehow I doubt their little rocket will ever be flying cargo to the ISS. |
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Posted: 7/20/2024 12:39:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Yeah, it's just too bad that at the moment there's nothing that can compete with SpaceX's capabilities. No one else comes near their prices or launch cadence. I do hope Rocket Lab, Stoke or Relativity can get their reusable boosters up and running. But even though they are probably all working as fast as they can. Building a new orbital rocket is never an easy thing. Rocket Factory Augsburg says they are getting close to a launch. But somehow I doubt their little rocket will ever be flying cargo to the ISS. |
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Posted: 7/20/2024 2:36:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Doesnt have to be reusable. Doesn’t have to. But it seems to make everything a lot cheaper and for a much higher launch cadence than when you’re tossing a whole rocket on every flight. Those things are not cheap or easy to make. Though I understand that RFA makes their rockets to a somewhat different standard than the rest of the industry. It's basically an overgrown beer keg full of car parts. Delta IV was originally envisioned as a relatively cheap rocket. Didn’t really turn out that way in practice. |
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Posted: 7/20/2024 3:12:18 PM EDT
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Bad ass that Elon Musk is building what could become a general-use orbital tug.
Refueling (and maybe swapping crew) from Starship would make it really useful. |
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