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Posted: 2/27/2021 10:57:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sigadvantage: Just got my notice beta test hard ware is available ( signed up last year) Local cable company is running fiber to my house in two weeks for 1Gig want to try starlink but fiber is cheaper and faster. Now to decide Do you trust your cable company to actually have that fiber lit anytime soon? |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 11:08:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sigadvantage: Just got my notice beta test hard ware is available ( signed up last year) Local cable company is running fiber to my house in two weeks for 1Gig want to try starlink but fiber is cheaper and faster. Now to decide If I had any hope of fiber I wouldn’t be considering Starlink. I’m a little worried too many people will jump on Starlink because they hate their cable companies and it will slow the service down. Not like I have much choice though as long as it is faster than 3Mb DSL. |
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Posted: 2/28/2021 12:36:53 AM EST
[#3]
God dammit. I hesitated and now there’s no spots available in my AO.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 2/28/2021 12:51:39 AM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Darcy: God dammit. I hesitated and now there’s no spots available in my AO. Because there is no state "PW" |
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Posted: 2/28/2021 1:08:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sigadvantage: Just got my notice beta test hard ware is available ( signed up last year) Local cable company is running fiber to my house in two weeks for 1Gig want to try starlink but fiber is cheaper and faster. Now to decide 
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Posted: 2/28/2021 9:55:35 AM EST
[#6]
I got my availability for Pre-order on 2/23 and put the deposit down immediately. In the last week I’ve been reading up on all the current information I can find and chomping at the bit for a “your system is ready to build email”.
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Posted: 3/2/2021 1:01:48 PM EST
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This post brought to you be Elon.
 No more WISP! |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2021 1:05:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kallnojoy: This post brought to you be Elon. No more WISP! Fuck you. Im jealous. My deposit has been made. Congrats...I guess. 
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Posted: 3/2/2021 1:21:22 PM EST
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Posted: 3/2/2021 1:57:19 PM EST
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For those of you that have it already, what kind of downtime have you been seeing?
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Posted: 3/2/2021 2:12:15 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreeCarolina: If I had any hope of fiber I wouldn’t be considering Starlink. I’m a little worried too many people will jump on Starlink because they hate their cable companies and it will slow the service down. Not like I have much choice though as long as it is faster than 3Mb DSL. They’ll miss the speed and go back to the hated cable company within the year. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2021 2:15:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: For those of you that have it already, what kind of downtime have you been seeing? Most people are in northern states where coverage is better than in Texas. You would currently have more outages than them but that will improve (shorter/fewer outages) with each Starlink launch. |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 2:19:51 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frog_Legs: I got my availability for Pre-order on 2/23 and put the deposit down immediately. In the last week I’ve been reading up on all the current information I can find and chomping at the bit for a “your system is ready to build email”. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/11755/0E6035F9-35F9-4D00-88E4-FD7883EC0489-1844853.png Figures seem reversed! Wow. |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 2:53:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: kallnojoy]
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: For those of you that have it already, what kind of downtime have you been seeing? Edit - just reread and saw that you were asking for outages vs download speed. I haven't been on long enough to trend outages. For bandwidth, 50/20 is the average I've seen today |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 2:59:05 PM EST
[#15]
Somehow, Elon's wheels will come off. I don't think the establishment will allow him to do what he's doing. This will disrupt too many megamonopolies. It's sorta like trying to use solar and Tesla walls to go off grid. You are no longer assisting in the socialist publics infrastructure and if too many people do it, it falls apart.
I am going to go out on a limb and say (soon) Starlink will be heavily taxed by the FCC - "for the greater good". No way Comcrap and the rest will let this happen. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2021 3:01:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somaliskinnypirate: Somehow, Elon's wheels will come off. I don't think the establishment will allow him to do what he's doing. This will disrupt too many megamonopolies. It's sorta like trying to use solar and Tesla walls to go off grid. You are no longer assisting in the socialist publics infrastructure and if too many people do it, it falls apart. I am going to go out on a limb and say (soon) Starlink will be heavily taxed by the FCC - "for the greater good". No way Comcrap and the rest will let this happen. Amazon and oneweb are also developing starlink type systems. Alot of money especially via amazon to fight such regulations |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 3:02:36 PM EST
[#17]
Thanks for posting that video review. After watching, I took the plunge and placed the order.
I am so anxious to be free of the terrible Hughes net service which has been our only real option. |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 3:02:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: QRB]
[#18]
>>>double tap<<<
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Posted: 3/2/2021 5:43:30 PM EST
[#19]
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Posted: 3/4/2021 12:48:53 PM EST
[#20]
Not that anyone cares, but I'm back from an internet hiatus of over a month. In that time, life has happened. One of the good things that happened in life is that my Starlink arrived and I installed it and its mostly awesome. Particulars: Bonner County, Idaho (North Panhandle) 3 miles as the crow flies from the Selle Valley Starlink ground station. I've got open sky to the east and south, tight trees west and north. The install was easy, EXCEPT that the damned choke on the cable is huge so you need a big old hole. Garmin makes rubber grommets that fill the hole nicely, but they are six buck each. The high powered POE is not amenable to easy extension since you'd need to power the POE injector at cable end. What does that mean? For me, it means I have obstructions because I was location limited by cable length. The app is pretty neat - I can tell exactly which 80 foot cedar and tamarack trees need to be removed for better coverage. It runs at 100MBPS until it's obstructed. The app tells me that's about 30 minutes per 24 hours. For streaming video, that's not an issue since buffering covers the gap, but for live stuff, it makes it intolerable. I've got a ubiquiti edgerouterx set up with a failover to my existing lte modem, and it works pretty well, but when the ground is dry, I'll be killing three trees (I need to remove two of them anyhow) and that should make it all work. The top graph shows when it drops out. Its often. As more satellites are added, this will improve, but for now, it's chainsaw time. I'd drop them now, but its too muddy to deal with them. If we get a hard freeze again this spring, I'll do it then. The potential is there. If I had 100 more feet of cable, that would work too. I'm debating building an enclosure for the injector and running power to it. That would be a good temporary solution.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/4/2021 1:24:42 PM EST
[#21]
@sneadhearn
Extremely helpful info. Thanks for sharing! |
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Posted: 3/4/2021 1:32:38 PM EST
[#22]
Even though I live in a suburban area I ordered Starlink. You can too if you get in early.
They say it's not meant for city users because they have coverage already, the urban internet speeds are good and Starlink can't handle the bandwidth for a dense population of users. But Starlink can still cover a limited number of users in any given area, including my suburban area. So they are letting people sign up, first come-first served. Why wouldn't they? Their satellites are already flying overhead of cities so why not let us poor urbanites use them? I live in northeast Florida. We have Comcast and AT&T here, maybe others. AT&tT won't run fiber to my neighborhood, so the most they can provide is 10MB down with DSL. I have Comcast and they are constantly raising their rates, up to $82 a month for 100MB down and they will just keep creeping up. So suck it comcast. |
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Posted: 3/4/2021 1:55:35 PM EST
[#23]
@sneadhearn great info, thanks!
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CO, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2021 10:51:33 AM EST
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CO, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2021 11:22:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gage: I live in northeast Florida. We have Comcast and AT&T here, maybe others. AT&tT won't run fiber to my neighborhood, so the most they can provide is 10MB down with DSL. I have Comcast and they are constantly raising their rates, up to $82 a month for 100MB down and they will just keep creeping up. So suck it comcast. Note that there is a reason that the current users are clustered in northern tier states. That will improve with time.  |
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Posted: 3/6/2021 2:57:16 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: For those of you that have it already, what kind of downtime have you been seeing? No Sat: 11 seconds Beta Downtime: 8 seconds |
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Posted: 3/6/2021 3:00:06 PM EST
[#27]
Last 12 hours
No satellites: 31 seconds Beta Downtime: 23 seconds |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2021 3:09:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: AmericanPeople]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blackwind: VERY little. Like 2 minutes day? I check every day and I had the following: No Sat: 11 seconds Beta Downtime: 8 seconds Excellent. I would like to see the same statistics for someone in the southern USA. The system is not fully operational so people south of the northern tier states may not get an antenna system until their availability is above some unknown minimum value. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2021 3:13:14 PM EST
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Starlink FCC application reveal plans for satellite internet in moving vehicles
"The idea of Teslas being connected to the internet through Starlink may soon before a reality, with SpaceX recently filing an application to the FCC to expand the satellite service to “moving vehicles, vessels, and aircraft.” The application comes not long after Musk gave the nod on Twitter for a Starlink “Mini,” which could provide internet connectivity on the go. In its FCC application, SpaceX aimed to acquire a blanket license authorizing the operation of end-user earth stations for deployment dubbed as Vehicle-Mounted Earth Stations (“VMESs”), Earth Stations on Vessels (“ESVs”), and Earth Stations Aboard Aircraft (“ESAAs”). Collectively called Earth Stations in Motion (“ESIMs”), these stations would have the capability to bring internet connectivity to moving vehicles like cars, ships, or even aircraft. “SpaceX Services seeks authority to deploy and operate these earth stations (1) as VMES throughout the United States and its territories, (2) as ESVs in the territorial waters of the United States and throughout international waters worldwide, and (3) as ESAAs on U.S.-registered aircraft operating worldwide and non-U.S.-registered aircraft operating in U.S. airspace,” SpaceX noted. Elaborating further, SpaceX noted that Starlink ESIMs could be invaluable considering that internet users today are increasingly becoming unwilling to forego web connectivity while traveling. SpaceX stated that ultimately, the idea of Starlink being used for moving vehicles is a logical extension of the satellite internet system’s core services." |
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Posted: 3/6/2021 6:49:37 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: Excellent. I would like to see the same statistics for someone in the southern USA. The system is not fully operational so people south of the northern tier states may not get an antenna system until their availability is above some unknown minimum value. In Northern KY Ive been getting 1 min no satellite and 2 min beta downtime most days. Its shockingly stable for a Beta. |
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Posted: 3/6/2021 7:03:43 PM EST
[#31]
Elons money printer is about to go brrrrr.
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Posted: 3/7/2021 12:28:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: Blackwind]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFII: In Northern KY Ive been getting 1 min no satellite and 2 min beta downtime most days. Its shockingly stable for a Beta. I use it for ALL major downloads. It smokes both land-based routers we have in spades. Latency is not good enough just yet for many games and VOIP calls with streaming video etc. Once we can see latency that can support those two topics we will drop both land-based internet routers. |
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Posted: 3/7/2021 7:31:53 AM EST
[#33]
Hopefully I'll get a ship notification by summer. Meanwhile the Verizon through the external antenna and amp I installed is smokin' today!
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CO, USA
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Posted: 3/8/2021 10:40:21 AM EST
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Lawmakers skeptical of Starlink solution for broadband problems
Interesting article. It sounds like the politicians in Vermont are commies and expect broadband to be free. There is an unverified statement that Starlink can now support 50 users per cell and a cell covers two towns....which is an ambiguous area. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 3/8/2021 11:00:18 AM EST
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For rural Mainers seeking broadband solutions, is Starlink the answer?
Maybe the people who write article only seek comments from commie socialist types, but this article and the one above from Vermont do not make the people there look like Americans. "That could be ideal for rural Mainers, but one of the state’s leading broadband advocates expressed concerns about Starlink’s cost, reliability and potential to kill momentum for more community-minded broadband projects." "In terms of statewide broadband policy, however, she has some questions. Starlink is a welcome option for Mainers in hard-to-reach locations and for those who don’t like their current internet service provider. It’s an expensive option, though, and it doesn’t address the issue of equity. “We want to make sure everybody has broadband,” she said, “so that no matter what your economic status is, you have access to this tool for education, for working, for health care, for community and civic activity.”" The last comment is just asinine: Education....go to school. Working......go to work. Health care....see a doctor in person or call. Community.....Community is not online. Civic activity....also not online. |
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Posted: 3/8/2021 12:57:40 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: Lawmakers skeptical of Starlink solution for broadband problems Interesting article. It sounds like the politicians in Vermont are commies and expect broadband to be free. You would be correct. |
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Posted: 3/8/2021 1:07:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frog_Legs: I got my availability for Pre-order on 2/23 and put the deposit down immediately. In the last week I’ve been reading up on all the current information I can find and chomping at the bit for a “your system is ready to build email”. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/11755/0E6035F9-35F9-4D00-88E4-FD7883EC0489-1844853.png You've got better numbers than us with our Centurylink DSL Our Roku is always buffering 
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Posted: 3/8/2021 4:10:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2tired2run]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: For rural Mainers seeking broadband solutions, is Starlink the answer? Maybe the people who write article only seek comments from commie socialist types, but this article and the one above from Vermont do not make the people there look like Americans. "That could be ideal for rural Mainers, but one of the state’s leading broadband advocates expressed concerns about Starlink’s cost, reliability and potential to kill momentum for more community-minded broadband projects." "In terms of statewide broadband policy, however, she has some questions. Starlink is a welcome option for Mainers in hard-to-reach locations and for those who don’t like their current internet service provider. It’s an expensive option, though, and it doesn’t address the issue of equity. “We want to make sure everybody has broadband,” she said, “so that no matter what your economic status is, you have access to this tool for education, for working, for health care, for community and civic activity.”" The last comment is just asinine: Education....go to school. Working......go to work. Health care....see a doctor in person or call. Community.....Community is not online. Civic activity....also not online. The text in bold sums up their objections. Because Elon has an option to reach rural areas, they can't force those in rural areas to subsidize broadband for everyone. ETA: their solution will be a .gov user fee tacked on to provide internet for all |
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Posted: 3/8/2021 5:40:24 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: “We want to make sure everybody has broadband,” she said, “so that no matter what your economic status is, you have access to this tool for education, for working, for health care, for community and civic activity.”" The last comment is just asinine: Education....go to school. Working......go to work. Health care....see a doctor in person or call. Community.....Community is not online. Civic activity....also not online. Totally agree with you on the commie statements, but I think you're way off on what I quoted. Like it or not, all of those things are done online more and more. How many Americans have teleworked in the past year? Virtual school? Tele-doctors? Are you saying arfcom isn't a type of community? |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 7:30:25 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: Totally agree with you on the commie statements, but I think you're way off on what I quoted. Like it or not, all of those things are done online more and more. How many Americans have teleworked in the past year? Virtual school? Tele-doctors? Are you saying arfcom isn't a type of community? I am pretty sure that last part of his post was from a comment on the article he linked. |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 9:26:10 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgthoskins: I am pretty sure that last part of his post was from a comment on the article he linked. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgthoskins: Originally Posted By DaTrueDave: Totally agree with you on the commie statements, but I think you're way off on what I quoted. Like it or not, all of those things are done online more and more. How many Americans have teleworked in the past year? Virtual school? Tele-doctors? Are you saying arfcom isn't a type of community? I am pretty sure that last part of his post was from a comment on the article he linked. He quoted the article, where someone said that the internet is needed for work/school/community, etc... He said that's ridiculous. I think it's spot on. The internet is needed more and more every day. It's not something that people can just do without anymore. |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 10:34:29 AM EST
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Ah, I see now, and I do agree with you.
I run the largest firearms community in New England, if it wasn't for the internet most of us wouldn't know each other or be able to organize to help push back against commie legislation. This is a Porsche with 10,000 bullet holes
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CO, USA
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Posted: 3/11/2021 10:17:36 PM EST
[#43]
SpaceX Starlink beta testers see big speed boosts, major outages
"A portion of the thousands of consumers participating in SpaceX’s “Better Than Nothing” Starlink beta test have begun to see massive speed boosts at the cost of equally significant network instability. In its current state, SpaceX’s ever-growing constellation of Starlink satellites regularly vacillates between inspiring awe and nail-pulling frustration between users. Still firmly stuck in the process of beta testing, SpaceX engineers are almost constantly tweaking parameters and software and performing a variety of tests on the live network, ranging from geographically-limited trials with a few satellites to network-wide updates. On February 22nd, SpaceX CEO Elon Musk revealed plans to upgrade the Starlink network and “double” download speeds to ~300 megabits per second (Mbps) – more than three times the global average for a wired connection. Mere weeks after that quiet announcement, beta users across North America have begun to see huge boosts in their peak download and upload speeds, although that speed appears to be coming with a tradeoff in network up-time and reliability. Beta users often see downtime increase late at night in their respective time zones, an apparent sign that SpaceX is doing its best to limit the impact of network tests and upgrades to off-peak hours. In the last day or two, SpaceX appears to have begun rolling out a significant network update or is running some kind of large, temporary test. Aside from many clear teething issues and bugs, ranging from 15-30+ minutes of downtime to bricked (nonfunctioning) user terminals, a number of /r/Starlink contributors have also experienced a major jump from average 50-100 Mbps download speeds to anywhere from 250 to 400+ Mbps." As noted in the article...it is in beta stage. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 3/11/2021 10:19:21 PM EST
[#44]
SpaceX aces Starlink launch, kicks off service in Germany, New Zealand
"SpaceX has successfully completed the second 60-satellite Starlink launch this month and sixth Starlink launch this year while simultaneously announcing that the space-based internet service has begun rolling out in Germany and New Zealand. SpaceX has also begun expanding Starlink availability throughout the northern and southernmost parts of the United Kingdom, as well as Wales, Scotland, and Ireland. As overall satellite reliability improves, minimizing the number of spacecraft that fail or have to eventually deorbit themselves shortly after launch, tonight’s Starlink-20 launch should theoretically leave SpaceX with a constellation more than 1180 satellites strong." |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 10:57:22 AM EST
[#45]
I've definitely seen the speeds up here and there, but haven't noticed longer outages. I'm still fighting trees. I'm actually going to relocate the dish over the weekend and mount it on a 30' crank up HAM tower to see how much that helps. I'm happy enough with the speed at 100, but I'm definitely NOT a heavy data user. 25MBPS and stable would be a nice thing. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 11:00:40 AM EST
[#46]
Mine is much more unstable lately, with lots of Beta downtime.
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Posted: 3/12/2021 3:26:03 PM EST
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Posted: 3/12/2021 3:32:44 PM EST
[#48]
Received my dish this past Monday. Due to work schedule I haven't set it up yet...I've seen reports on reddit about setting it up temporarily then moving it and it not reconnecting after...so I figured I'd wait until I can get my hopefully permanent spot ready.. I've been working on building a custom mount using rmc, unistrut, and angle iron.
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Posted: 3/12/2021 3:48:01 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
'Big News'! Thanks Chokey. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 3:55:37 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drugmanrx: Received my dish this past Monday. Due to work schedule I haven't set it up yet...I've seen reports on reddit about setting it up temporarily then moving it and it not reconnecting after...so I figured I'd wait until I can get my hopefully permanent spot ready.. I've been working on building a custom mount using rmc, unistrut, and angle iron. @drugmanrx I have set mine up, stowed it, moved it, taken it down for a week...I've never had a hiccup. YMMV |
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